From: Paul S. Dixon (email@example.com)
Date: Mon Oct 06 1997 - 18:03:18 EDT
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:48:47 -0400 (EDT) "James H. Vellenga"
>Two things strike me as a little suspicious about the otherwise
Please pardon my enthusiastic overstatement here. It would have
been better to have simply said "good sense."
>1) The idea of an instrumental dative (EN AUTWi) with a person
>rather than a thing -- although it's conceivable that things
>are, as you say, coming into being _through_ him more as
>an instrument than as an agent.
It would be interesting to see if John uses EN AUTWi elsewhere
instrumentally. Hmm. I did notice, however, the Col 1:16
EN AUTWi parallel, mentioned by Andrew K. It is certainly to be
taken at least instrumentally there.
>2) The use of hHN rather than ESTIN, in conjunction with the
>perfective GEGONEN. The perfective (so I am told) indicates
>an effect that continues to the present. If it were to go
>with hHN, wouldn't we expect a pluperfect instead?
I don't think a pluperfect would do it, but a present tense ESTIN
might be expected (what has come into being through Him is
In fact, this is what Aleph, D and a number of variant manuscripts
do have (so UBS text, 3rd edition).
Sorry for the delay. Was gone the last 5 days.
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