Re: Luke 22:20

From: Ben Crick (
Date: Mon Mar 16 1998 - 21:54:08 EST

On Mon 16 Mar 98 (07:34:54), wrote:
> I'll agree that we have a mixed metaphor here in that drinking is a
> symbolic act used in different ways in the Biblical tradition: blood,
> gall, etc. I'd even say that one could readily understand TOUTO TO POTHRION
> as "this chalice full of blood" and still have TO EKCUNNOMENON as an
> attributive participle referring back to POTHRION but with the "outpouring"
> having natural reference to the shedding of blood. I guess what I want to
> insist on, from my own point of view, is that what we think the intent of
> the author to be should not alter the way we read the grammatical
> construction.

 Feeling a bit like Elihu in Job 32, I have rather lurked and looked at this
 thread. But as a mere preacher and pastor, I have always understood that TO
 POTHRION in Luke's account of the Last Supper is consistently used as a
 Metonymy for TO hAIMA: the Container for the Contents of the container. We
 say a drunkard is "fond of the bottle" when we mean "fond of the
 beer/wine/spirits" within any particular bottle. Or is it "pars pro toto", a
 Synechdoche, "Cup" standing for "cup-and-contents"? The Romans misunderstood
 the Christians to be practising cannibalism, with their talk of eating the
 Body of Christ, and drinking his Blood; there is wisdom in Luke's metonymy.

 Carl also wrote in a message on Mon 16 Mar 98 (06:01:47):
> I would say that the form of TO hUPER hUMWN EKCUNNOMENON is deliberately
> parallel to the form of TO hUPER hUMWN DIDOMENON, another attributive
> participial phrase which we translate as a relative clause in English.

 I agree entirely, Carl.

 Revd Ben Crick, BA CF
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