From: Bart Ehrman (behrman@email.unc.edu)
Date: Wed Dec 08 1999 - 15:00:16 EST
OK, thanks. It's the second usage that gives me pause (this quotation
in 1 Clement is the whole passage, far and away the fullest citation of
Isaiah 53 in early Xty). The nuances strike me as a bit tricky. There are
all sorts of exx. in the NT of AIRW as "lift up and carry" e.g. stones,
baskets, crosses, bodies, etc. These aren't always "taken *away*, i.e.,
removed, although I guess they are usually taken *somewhere*, i.e.,
carried. So could this verse refer to Christ "carrying" or "bearing" the
judgment against him in humility?
I guess what's making me hesitate in accepting the other rednering is
whether KRISIS HRQH would most naturally be understood as "justice was
deprived."
Any other help would be welcomed!
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> At 11:07 AM -0500 12/8/99, Bart Ehrman wrote:
> > 1 Clement quotes the LXX of Isa. 53, "He was led like a sheep going to
> >slaughter; and as a lamb is silent before the one who shears it, so he did
> >not open his mouth... EN THi TAPEINWSEI hH KRISIS AUTOU HRQH" (1 Clem
> >16:7). So too Acts 8:33 (possibly add AUTOU after TAPEINWSEI).
> >
> > This is often translated something like, "In his humiliation, justice
> >was denied him." What about, instead, something like "He bore the
> >judgment against him in humility" (for, literally: "in humility was his
> >judgment borne).
>
> I really don't think this will work; very occasionally in the early Greek
> instances of AIRW does it seem able to carry the meaning "suffer,"
> "endure"--like FERW or TOLMAW/TLAW--but it's fundamental usage in later
> eras seems to be "lift up"--very much like Latin TOLLO, in the sense of
> "remove from the scene" or "take away"--and I really think that's the
> meaning one really ought to assume in this passage. It's noteworthy that
> the same word appears a second time in the same verse (AIRETAI APO THS GHS
> hH ZWH AUTOU)--and apparently in the same sense (Isaiah 53:8): EN THi
> TAPEINWSEI hH KRISIS AUTOU HRQH; THN GENAN AUTOU TIS DIHGHSETAI, hOTI
> AIRETAI APO THS GHS hH ZWH AUTOU; APO TWN ANOMIWN TOU LAOU MOU HCQH EIS
> QANATON.
>
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> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics/Washington University
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>
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