Re: Romans 1:16,17 - The antecedent of EN AUTW

From: Carl W. Conrad (
Date: Sun Feb 20 2000 - 10:33:36 EST

At 5:50 AM -0800 2/20/00, John Wilking wrote:
>On Sat, Feb 19, 2000 Joe Friberg said,
>>- Rom 1.19 (pl., could be 'among')
>What use of the word "among" is this? I'm using the Webster's New World,
>Fourth Edition.
>>- 1 Cor 14.11 EN EMOI BARBAROS (but could be taken as 'interactive' hO
>>EN EMOI in the vein of the exs. discussed from Zechariah)
>Would you translate EN as "with" here? What entry of "with" would that be?
>In what dictionary?

I think Joe has already said as much in an earlier response to my
examination of the passages in Zechariah: he thinks "with" is appropriate
there, and that's what we find in most versions also, although I'd like
(personally) to avoid any suggestion that the dative with EN in those
instances is a dative of reference such as is common with verbs of
speaking: I'd prefer to take LALEIN EN EMOI as something like "confer with
me" rather than "speak to me." That is to say, it seems to me that the
usage of the dative with EN here is closer to the older traditional
instrumental-comitative sense than to that of a dative of reference.

>Carl, is it ok to ask translation/lexicographic questions?

That's precisely what the list is particularly focused on: (1)
understanding the GREEK TEXT of the LXX and GNT and related Jewish and
Greek lit., and (2) understanding the GREEK LANGUAGE in which that
literature is written: morphology, syntax, diction (i.e. lexicography) and
ancillary pedagogical matters, such as textbooks, grammars, lexicons, and
other reference works pertaining to the Greek Bible and the Greek of the
Greek Bible. Your concern is quite properly within the sphere of B-Greek.
What we want to steer clear of is hermeneutics and theological implications
or interpretation, although it is obvious that each of us apprehends the
text from his/her own hermeneutical assumptions and theological
perspective. But we're focused on what the morphology, syntax, and
lexicographical information at our disposal allows us to ascertain as the
intended sense of the Greek text, so far as that can be determined with
these resources. We may make forays into territory outside of that, but
that's where our proper focus lies.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics/Washington University
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