From: Carl W. Conrad (email@example.com)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2000 - 10:05:16 EDT
At 3:52 PM +0200 6/2/00, Roe wrote:
>Betraying my novitiate, I had written:
>> >Did hHGEOMAI without an attributive word added ever ... have the
>> > meaning "to esteem" ...
>> I don't think "esteem" as such is quite right for the sense--except in the
>> sense of "deem" or "judge" and I don't think I'd call its modifying word an
>> attributive so much as a predicate word; in this usage hHGEISQAI generally
>> takes a direct object and a predicate accusative: "to deem X to be Y"--so
>> here, Phil 2:3 "deeming each other (to be) better than yourselves."
>I don't find any examples where hHGEOMAI is used without a predicate or
>other modifying word, could mean "esteem" except *possibly* occurences
>Heb. 13:7 MNHMONEUETE TWN hHGOUMENWN hUMWN...
>"Remember those who led you,..." or "...who are (or were) esteemed by
>But without a predicate or other modifying word, it seems that this
>would make no more sense than:
>"Remember those who were thought by you..."
>"Remember those who were deemed by you..."
hHGEOMAI is a middle-voice word and I don't think you'll ever find it
bearing a passive sense (but I'm currently in Missouri and waiting to be
I would understand TWN hHGOUMENWN Heb 13:7 as a substantival participle and
hUMWN as a genitive regularly used as the object of verbs of governing.
Carl W. Conrad
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