From: Mikael Persson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 08:58:31 EDT
"B.J. Williamson" wrote:
> You wrote:
> >1 Thess 4:16b, 17:
> >KAI OI NEKROI EN KRISTW ANASTHSONTAI PRWTON (17) EPEITA hHMEIS OI ZWNTES OI
> >PERILEIPOMENOI, hAMA SUN AUTOIS hARPAGHSOMEQA EN NEFELAIS EIS APANTHSIN TOU
> >KURIOU EIS
> >AERA; KAI hOUTW PANTOTE SUN KURIW ESOMEQA.
> >In some translations I find "hAMA" translated with "at the same time" and
> >some with
> >"together (with)". At least one of the latter also has "at the same time"
> >in a
> >footnote, but even so many who use this translation insist on that the
> >(hAMA) refers to 'being together with Christ'. Trying to understand the
> >text myself,
> >and looking at all the translations I can find, I can't understand it in
> >any other way
> >than this:
> >That it is the hARPAGHSOMEQA that is to occur to OI NEKROI EN KRISTW and OI
> >ZWNTES OI
> >PERILEIPOMENOI at the same time, together.
> >Or does the text permit understanding it differently?
> The first concept of being "together" hAMA SUN AUTOIS does indeed mean as
> you have concluded. Both the hAMA and SUN denote "together."
> But of course, in the same breath, Paul says KAI hOUTW PANTOTE SUN KURIW
> ESOMEQA. So here is the concept of "together" (SUN) mentioned again. But
> this time "together with the Lord."
> Therefore, No. The first reference to "together" is not a reference to our
> being together "with the Lord." That idea is expressed at the end of the
> verse (KAI hOUTW PANTOTE SUN KURIW ESOMEQA).
Well, my question maybe wasn't clear enough:
Does the text permit the idea that some of the mentioned go to heaven before the
others? Or does it say that they go at the same time, together?
Regards, Mikael Persson
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