[b-greek] re: To be born of water

From: Will Wagers (hyle@e-denton.com)
Date: Sat Sep 16 2000 - 07:24:34 EDT

<x-flowed>As has been pointed out, there are two distinct stages in birth:

1. First, the water breaks, and the baby is born of water.

2. When the newborn takes it's first breath, it is born of spirit.

Obviously, these *births* are the physical basis of subsequent metaphors.
Baptism, for example, is the recreation of this moment.

Chris Core writes:

>I also don't know of an idiom, but if it was a common Hebrew idiom,
>it would fit
>with the statement "Born again". The second birth is of the spirit
>so the birth that
>precedes it must be the natural birth otherwise actual first birth
>is not being
>counted, or else the term "born again" doesn't refer to a second
>birth but a third,
>but I see that as doubtful and the emphasis on being born of the Spirit.

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