From: Dave Washburn (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu Apr 26 2001 - 16:44:42 EDT
> > > Hi!
> > > Thanks for the information about Matthew 16:18, and quickly (before
> > > this whole discussion gets cancelled) what is the other 'word play'
> > > somewhere in John 21?
> > Keith,
> > The other one is an extended one in the conversation between
> > Jesus and Peter, where Jesus uses AGAPAW for "do you love
> > me?" and Peter replies with FILEW instead. The interplay has to
> > do with the nuances of these two words, since the former means
> > "do you love me enough to die for me?" while the latter means "I
> > like you a lot." I'd be interested to know what the Aramaic (or
> > Hebrew) words are that could have been used for this subtle
> > exchange.
> The big difference between Greek and Aramaic is that Greek is a language of
> and has a number of words for one meaning. Aramaic is a more..uh...thrifty
> that has several meanings for one word. The Aramaic rxm (racham) can have
> the meaning of agaph and filew. The LXX uses agaph for the Hebrew )hbh
> (ahabah) in
> Canticles 2:4, 5, 7 and elsewhere...which can also mean either affection or
Yes. And hence my contention that the exchange in John 21 must
have taken place in Greek or the interplay of nuances would not
have been discernible.
> I believe the agapaw/filew play is a device of the evangelist and not to the
> It's purpose may be involved in Yohannine polemic to Peter and to bracket
> the thrice denial with the thrice "hesitant" affirmation.
I don't get into such things. I take it at face value because I have
no reason not to. But that's outside the scope of this list ;-)
"You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at."
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