[b-greek] Re: John 16,23

From: Jay Anthony Adkins (Jadkins26438@cs.com)
Date: Mon Apr 30 2001 - 00:40:16 EDT


Dear John N. Lupia:

You wrote "Somehow you had "AN TI " instead of "OTI OCA AN " which is
actually the UBS4
reading following the NA27, not the TR.
Below is the correct TR reading

TR = KAI EN EKEINH TH hHMERA EME OUK ERWTHSETE OUDEN. AMHN AMHN LEGW
hUMIN,
OTI OCA AN AITHSHTE TON PATERA EN TW ONOMATI MOU DWSEI hUMIN."

The copy of TR I have came with my Gramcord (GTR: Electronic Copyright
1991, The Original Word Ministries, Inc.) and is as I copied it (AMHN AMHN
LEGW hUMIN, OTI OSA AN AITHSHTE TON PATERA).

As far as the GNT I used my Gramcord edition again, which is based on The
Greek New Testament, edited by Barbara Aland, Kurt Aland, Johannes
Karawidopoulos, Carlo M. Martini, & Bruce Metzger, Fourth Edition. It
reads (AMHN AMHN LEGW hUMIN, AN TI AITHSHTE TON PATERA EN TW ONOMATI MOU
DWSEI hUMIN.) the same as my USB Greek New Testament, Third Edition. In
looking closer at my USB, Third Edition, I did find additional variants
listed which may explain the differences in translation I had asked about.
 The apparatus gives the reading [EN TW ONOMATI MOU DWSEI hUMIN.] a {C}
rating, on a scale of {A} to {D}, {A} being almost certain. There are a
total of three variants listed, the second best attested variant reads,
[DWSEI hUMIN EN TW ONOMATI MOU]. Support is from p5vid A B C* L X D 054
copsa,ach2 Origen Cyril. [Where the A is Ahleph and the D is Delta.] As
I have neither the UBS4 or the NA27, I must assume there was a change in
feelings for some reason.

Thanks for the variant check, but the thrust of my question was grammar
and still stands. As I read the different translations this phrase seems
to change referents depending on the translation. It is best seen in the
following:

> John 16:23 (NRSV) On that day you will ask nothing of me. {Or [will ask me
> no question]} Very truly, I tell you, if you ask anything of the Father in
> my name, he will give it to you. {Other ancient authorities read [Father,
> he will give it to you in my name]}
  
Does the Father give what we ask in Jesusí name or will he give us our
desires when we ask it in Jesusí name. The latter seems more appropriate,
but is the grammar here affected by word order?

Sola Gratia,
        Jay Adkins
Always Under Grace!

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