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Re: [nafex] Natural fencing Suggestions

I don't know what your setting is, but in my case when we clear brush, we stake it where we intend to block a passage way for the deer to the orchard, instead of burning it. These fence like piles, which are generally good for a few years only, unless you keep adding to it, is impenetrable especially if there are trees and standing brush at each end. It forces even deers to change habits and if the ATV drivers change habits, then possibly it will be for good.
Poison ivy usually grows by water and beside it is generally known that ATV drivers don't admire the paysage long enough to recognize it. I can appreciate the intention though!!? :)
 The trouble with roses and other live natural fencing is that it takes some time to get established and while being a deterrent for pedestrians (the sunday types and the bikers, especially if wearing shorts), it is not a challenge for motorized vehicules.
Put up a sign against trespassing. Some categories of ATV are licensed and are not supposed to trespass on private property. With a sign, you can challenge them and they cannot claim that they though it is OK, which is generally the first response...
Another approach would be to allow them to pass in one area only, if they must pass to avoid a big detour as it is always better to get along if the people are to be the reasonable kind. Can you see the spot from your house? Was the habit established before you bought this place, or did the problem developed after you moved in? Is it always the same people, or are you located in an area where there is a lot of one time visitors? If there is a will to pass through, then I don't think natural fencing is the solution.
Hélène, zone 3
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Natural fencing Suggestions

Thomas Olenio wrote:
> Hello All,
> I would like some "living fence" ideas, to keep out unwanted ATV's, ATC's
> and dirt bikes.
> At first I liked poison ivy and those sorts of things, but that may be too
> cruel for even these people.
> . . .
> I still like the poison ivy, poison oak, and poison sumac approach, but
> part of me says not to do it.  But i am sure there is no law against
> planting such things on your own property. (evil grin)

There are two problems with poison ivy (other than the cruelty.)  (1)
The slobs who are invading your property won't recognize it, and
probably won't even know for sure that they caught it on your land after
the fact.  You want deterrence, not punishment (I assume.)  (2)  You
will want to get to the bridge to prune and mend whatever fence you DO
grow.  It would be a mighty nuisance to prune and mend a poison ivy

(There was a sign in my town with a nice growth of poison ivy that was
very neatly pruned for most of the summer.  It looked lovely, but I
wondered who was doing it.  In late August, someone treated it with
herbicide.  I'm guessing that was after his doctor diagnosed his rash,
and after he looked up poison ivy's appearance in the library.)

> Any suggestions on a very cruel, thornded, fast growing plant/shrub/cane
> that will (over time) fill the gap 50' on the south side, and grow under
> the bridge?

I'd like to second the warning about multiflora rose.  There are less
invasive roses that are pretty hard to get through.  You might even try
blackberries.  Osage orange is a traditional and brutal fence, and
hawthorn gets pretty impenetrable fairly fast.

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