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Re: [compost_tea] Re: flowforms

The water vortex theories seem to have come from people watching falling water and the coreolis effect which causes it to spin into a vortex due to the rotation of the earth.  Is that right?
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: flowforms

Hi -

A previous post found my "Vibrational Water" resource
list on the National Water Center's web page. 


NWC is a grass-roots non-profit organization with
volunteer staff.  NWC has advocated ecological
water treatment, rainwater harvesting, and water
quality issues for over two decades (e.g., composting
toilets, constructed wetlands, flow forms, permaculture,
bioregional to international delivery, etc.)
It is located in nearby Eureka Springs, AR, where
I also volunteer my time to support bioregional
water issues. NWC puts on a few workshop each year,
publishes, and takes a Zen approach to web delivery
and water themes as an alternative to activist
burn-out typical of the 1970s and 80s era.

The resource list is also on my farmstead home
page, with a format you may find easier to read.

Vibrational Water

In the resource list you can access the books
by Viktor Schauberger and Theodore Schwenk, you
can see water quality images based on qualitative
assessment techniques -- following energization
treatments, etc.

Perhaps that is sufficient.  You can explore
this topic yourself.  Get the books "Living Water"
by Olaf Alexandersson and "Living Energy" by
Callum Coats for a fascinating in-depth review
of Viktor Schauberger's work.  John Wilkes, inventor
of flow forms, drew inspiration from Theodore
Schwenk's work. 

When you add up all the different concepts and practices
with vibrational water, you can better understand why
I suggest there is room for exploration integrating
water quality treatments with compost teas in
relation to the microbial environment in an aqueous

Can you share if your name is David Loring or
Dave Sotilo 50... and what your farming and
gardening involvement is, to get a quick idea
what scale and cropping systems you're working with.

Steve Diver
Fayetteville, AR

Agriculural specialist with ATTRA; gardener on
quarter acre, 12 acre farmstead.  

P.S. There is an excellent book on Goethe, actually
a collection of essays exploring his ideas on nature
and phenomenology, with a chapter on John Wilkes and
flow forms.

Chap. 10. Flowforms and the Language of Water
by Mark Riegner & John Wilkes
Goethe's Way of Science: A Phenomenology of Nature
David Seamon & Arthur Zajonc, Editors
Albany, NY: State University of New York Press, 1998

Excerpt from:

Goethe, Nature, and Phenomenology (Introduction to Book)
By David Seamon

"In the last essay of Part II, Mark Riegner and sculptor
John Wilkes present Wilkes' efforts to design what he
calls Flowforms  -- fountainlike vessels through which
water flows in rhythmic motion. In creating Flowforms,
Wilkes was greatly affected by the Goethean studies of
water done by German hydrologist Theodor Schwenk, who
concluded that the essence of water's movement is found
in the tension between the linear tug of gravity and
water's inherent tendency to draw itself into a sphere.
Schwenk demonstrated that water reconciles this tension
in three characteristic ways: the meander, the wave, and
the vortex."

"In his Flowform research, Wilkes asks how these essential
patterns of water can be incorporated in built form so
that humanmade channels and vessels can support and enhance
the basic movements of water rather than force them into
unnatural surroundings as, for example, in channelized
rivers with straight banks that interfere with the need
of water to meander. Instead of forcing water to do what
we human beings want, why not help it to maintain its own
natural patterns and move the best it can? Riegner and
Wilkes demonstrate that this kind of thinking leads to
designed environments that work better both ecologically
and aesthetically."

--- In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "David Loring" <dloring3@c...> wrote:
> Steve - I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say water
can be energized, transformed and cleansed by water movement.  I
looked at the article you pointed to on water movement and a catalyst
and followed it to the original article which stated that movement
(they used a stirring movement in this case but it could just as
easily have been a plunging motion) was capable of imparting energy to
a straight forward catalytic system involving water and I think it was
Cupric oxide. 
> Please break down what you're referring to on transforming,
energizing and cleansing of water.
> Dave Sotillo 50

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