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Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT



Yeah I would be all over doing a test and comparing
our epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and
paying for all three to be tested by SFI as long as i
knew that the starting ingredients were all the same.
If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I would easily buy
more than a few. Ray G
--- Robert Norsen <bnbrew@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah GO. I am interested in that test result. Can we
> talk about the proceedure?  Bob
> 
> Steve Bridges <kimas@texasgrown.com> wrote:I've got
> a BobOLator and a 22gal Earth Tea Brewer. I'm ready
> to start testing. If my testing can tie into what
> you're proposing, I'll be glad to participate.
>  
> We would all have to use the same compost and the
> same ingredients, calibrated for brew size. That
> still doesn't eliminate variables such as
> temperature, water quality, etc. But we could still
> gain some useful insight.
>  
> Steve Bridges
> BobO 50gal and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: David Loring 
> To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> 
> 
> Dennis - You're right of course, it can't be done
> with a single test.  It wouldn't be fair whatever
> the outcome.  Any rigorous test would have at least
> four repetitions of the same experiment.  Maybe
> there are enough machines out there that we would
> have at least two identical machines for each type
> manufactured.  If there were not really significant
> differences then that might tell the story.  I'm
> open to anything that will actually sort out some of
> these variables, even those we expect in the lab
> results.  Maybe Elaine would tell us what the
> acceptable limits are for her lab testing in the
> sense of one sample being run multiple times as a
> quality control test.  I agree that there are limits
> to what any lab can do.  I don't know what to think
> at this point, I've never sent paired, blind samples
> before.  I would pay for one of the samples though
> if someone paid for the other.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: dkemnitz2000 
> To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> 
> 
> ---Dave, I was trying to point out there are many
> variables included 
> even in the testing, even of objective tests. I run
> a flour sample 
> here (myself) and do all the sample prep one day and
> do it again the 
> next day and get different numbers (vitamins B1 and
> B2 for instance)
> each day. New variables the next day? Sample
> changed? Usually the 
> numbers are close but what do you do when it comes
> time for 
> disposition esp when numbers are not close? Maybe
> average, maybe 
> rerun sample, maybe get another sample? Maybe
> re-write the specs.? 
> Maybe throw out one for some reason. Anyway
> experimental design will 
> be important in the brewer tests. Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "David Loring"
> <dloring3@c...> wrote:
> > Dennis - I agree with about 95% of what you've
> said but there is a 
> need for testing in my mind, not with someones hard
> found recipe, but 
> with a mutually agreed to compost and food of some
> kind.  Unless we 
> can get information about the variability of these
> machines then 
> we're all on our own a bit and progress, much
> needed, will be 
> difficult.  It's hard to extrapolate to new
> situations unless we nail 
> down the variables one at a time.  I think the
> strength of this forum 
> is found in combining our sometimes expensive
> experiences.  I've 
> spent a couple thousand on testing myself without
> any product except 
> that I teach.  Those of us in the non-commercial
> world stand to gain 
> the most from sharing.  If I can pay for only one
> report and get the 
> answers from 5-10 others I'd consider it money well
> spent.  
> > Dave
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: dkemnitz2000 
> >   To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:04 PM
> >   Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "tomjasz"
> <tom@l...> wrote:
> >   > 
> >   >  
> >   > 
> >   >  Unfortunately, but understandably the
> developers of the 
> nutrient 
> >   > packs have invested thousands of dollars in
> their "recipes". 
> Two 
> >   > developers I have conversations with aren't
> particularly 
> excited 
> >   > about having a competition. They are busy with
> their farmers, 
> fruit 
> >   > growers and viticulturists developing
> successful operations 
> based 
> >   on 
> >   > sustainable practice and using ACT as a part
> of the program. 
> The 
> >   > controlled testing has been going on with
> several manufacturers 
> for 
> >   > several years. The idea of a competition
> borders on the 
> ridiculous 
> >   > from my perspective. What would such a
> competition achieve? 
> >   > Apparently several tea systems are producing
> stellar results. 
> Some 
> >   > find the need to blather about and have NOT
> achieved any 
> consistent 
> >   > successes.(comment not directed at list!) I
> continue to suspect 
> >   they 
> >   > bandy about only the best of their tests.
> Other manufacturers 
> >   > consistently produce high quality tea without
> competitions or 
> this 
> >   > list. Please don't misunderstand that
> comment...there are over 
> 300 
> >   > members and about ten posters!!!
> >   > 
> >   > Thanks for the invitation Tom! I already wrote
> Brewer Bob and 
> this 
> >   list two opinions earlier today which I
> cancelled for 
> consideration 
> >   to all.
> >      I'd have to say my bottom line is cost
> perhaps like many of 
> you.  
> >   I believe in tests, like Jeff. I am a lab tech
> in a food testing 
> lab 
> >   and don't make enough money to hire tests on 
> tea I'll use on a 
> 65 
> >   acre farm.  In our lab we use standard testing
> procedures.  Some 
> >   samples(duplicates) are sent to other labs to
> see how we compare 
> to 
> >   them.  You might be suprised but they don't get
> the same answer 
> we 
> >   get any way.  Even labs(and brewers) must deal
> with accuracy and 
> >   precision.
> >     So I'll be brewing, testing applying and
> reporting based on 
> what I 
> >   glean from this board and seminars and cd's and
> ATTRA and 
> whatever 
> >   else might work without hiring many experts.  I
> guess this is 
> better 
> >   than spraying pesticides herbicides and
> fertilizers. Dennis 
> Kemnitz
> > 
> > 
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