Ray,
I'd be happy to donate the boosters (microbe food) for all
three tests so that you can keep that factor constant.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:39
PM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
Yeah I would be all over doing a test and comparing our
epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and paying for all three to be
tested by SFI as long as i knew that the starting ingredients were all the
same. If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I would easily buy more than a
few. Ray G --- Robert Norsen <bnbrew@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yeah
GO. I am interested in that test result. Can we > talk about the
proceedure? Bob > > Steve Bridges
<kimas@texasgrown.com> wrote:I've got > a BobOLator and a 22gal
Earth Tea Brewer. I'm ready > to start testing. If my testing can tie
into what > you're proposing, I'll be glad to participate. >
> We would all have to use the same compost and the > same
ingredients, calibrated for brew size. That > still doesn't eliminate
variables such as > temperature, water quality, etc. But we could
still > gain some useful insight. > > Steve
Bridges > BobO 50gal and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!) > -----
Original Message ----- > From: David Loring > To:
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12
AM > Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT > > > Dennis
- You're right of course, it can't be done > with a single test.
It wouldn't be fair whatever > the outcome. Any rigorous test
would have at least > four repetitions of the same experiment.
Maybe > there are enough machines out there that we would > have
at least two identical machines for each type > manufactured. If
there were not really significant > differences then that might tell the
story. I'm > open to anything that will actually sort out some
of > these variables, even those we expect in the lab >
results. Maybe Elaine would tell us what the > acceptable limits
are for her lab testing in the > sense of one sample being run multiple
times as a > quality control test. I agree that there are
limits > to what any lab can do. I don't know what to
think > at this point, I've never sent paired, blind samples >
before. I would pay for one of the samples though > if someone
paid for the other. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: dkemnitz2000 > To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com > Sent:
Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49 PM > Subject: [compost_tea] Re:
ACT > > > ---Dave, I was trying to point out there are
many > variables included > even in the testing, even of
objective tests. I run > a flour sample > here (myself) and do
all the sample prep one day and > do it again the > next day and
get different numbers (vitamins B1 and > B2 for instance) > each
day. New variables the next day? Sample > changed? Usually the >
numbers are close but what do you do when it comes > time for >
disposition esp when numbers are not close? Maybe > average, maybe
> rerun sample, maybe get another sample? Maybe > re-write the
specs.? > Maybe throw out one for some reason. Anyway >
experimental design will > be important in the brewer tests.
Dennis > > > > In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com,
"David Loring" > <dloring3@c...> wrote: > > Dennis - I
agree with about 95% of what you've > said but there is a > need
for testing in my mind, not with someones hard > found recipe, but
> with a mutually agreed to compost and food of some >
kind. Unless we > can get information about the variability of
these > machines then > we're all on our own a bit and progress,
much > needed, will be > difficult. It's hard to
extrapolate to new > situations unless we nail > down the
variables one at a time. I think the > strength of this forum
> is found in combining our sometimes expensive >
experiences. I've > spent a couple thousand on testing myself
without > any product except > that I teach. Those of us in
the non-commercial > world stand to gain > the most from
sharing. If I can pay for only one > report and get the >
answers from 5-10 others I'd consider it money well > spent.
> > Dave > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dkemnitz2000 > > To:
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, August
28, 2003 6:04 PM > > Subject: [compost_tea] Re:
ACT > > > > > > --- In
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "tomjasz" > <tom@l...> wrote: >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, but
understandably the > developers of the > nutrient >
> > packs have invested thousands of dollars in >
their "recipes". > Two > > > developers I have
conversations with aren't > particularly > excited >
> > about having a competition. They are busy with >
their farmers, > fruit > > > growers and
viticulturists developing > successful operations > based
> > on > > > sustainable
practice and using ACT as a part > of the program. > The >
> > controlled testing has been going on with >
several manufacturers > for > > > several
years. The idea of a competition > borders on the > ridiculous
> > > from my perspective. What would such a >
competition achieve? > > > Apparently several tea
systems are producing > stellar results. > Some >
> > find the need to blather about and have NOT >
achieved any > consistent > > >
successes.(comment not directed at list!) I > continue to suspect
> > they > > > bandy about only
the best of their tests. > Other manufacturers > >
> consistently produce high quality tea without > competitions or
> this > > > list. Please don't misunderstand
that > comment...there are over > 300 > >
> members and about ten posters!!! > > > >
> > Thanks for the invitation Tom! I already wrote >
Brewer Bob and > this > > list two opinions
earlier today which I > cancelled for > consideration >
> to all. > > I'd have
to say my bottom line is cost > perhaps like many of > you.
> > I believe in tests, like Jeff. I am a lab
tech > in a food testing > lab > > and
don't make enough money to hire tests on > tea I'll use on a >
65 > > acre farm. In our lab we use standard
testing > procedures. Some > >
samples(duplicates) are sent to other labs to > see how we compare
> to > > them. You might be suprised but
they don't get > the same answer > we > >
get any way. Even labs(and brewers) must deal > with accuracy and
> > precision. > > So
I'll be brewing, testing applying and > reporting based on > what
I > > glean from this board and seminars and cd's
and > ATTRA and > whatever > > else might
work without hiring many experts. I > guess this is >
better > > than spraying pesticides herbicides
and > fertilizers. Dennis > Kemnitz > > > >
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