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Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT



Paul-
I need to get with you and see if your line of organic
supplies meets any of my customers needs. Thx Ray
--- Paul Sachs <pdsachs@localnet.com> wrote:
> Ray,
> 
> I'd be happy to donate the boosters (microbe food)
> for all three tests so that you can keep that factor
> constant.
> 
> Paul Sachs
> North Country Organics
> P.O. Box 372
> 203 Depot St
> Bradford, VT 05033
> 802.222.4277
> fax 802.222.9661
> pds@norganics.com
> www.norganics.com
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ray gore 
>   To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> 
> 
>   Yeah I would be all over doing a test and
> comparing
>   our epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and
>   paying for all three to be tested by SFI as long
> as i
>   knew that the starting ingredients were all the
> same.
>   If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I would easily
> buy
>   more than a few. Ray G
>   --- Robert Norsen <bnbrew@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   > Yeah GO. I am interested in that test result.
> Can we
>   > talk about the proceedure?  Bob
>   > 
>   > Steve Bridges <kimas@texasgrown.com> wrote:I've
> got
>   > a BobOLator and a 22gal Earth Tea Brewer. I'm
> ready
>   > to start testing. If my testing can tie into
> what
>   > you're proposing, I'll be glad to participate.
>   >  
>   > We would all have to use the same compost and
> the
>   > same ingredients, calibrated for brew size. That
>   > still doesn't eliminate variables such as
>   > temperature, water quality, etc. But we could
> still
>   > gain some useful insight.
>   >  
>   > Steve Bridges
>   > BobO 50gal and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!)
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: David Loring 
>   > To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12 AM
>   > Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Dennis - You're right of course, it can't be
> done
>   > with a single test.  It wouldn't be fair
> whatever
>   > the outcome.  Any rigorous test would have at
> least
>   > four repetitions of the same experiment.  Maybe
>   > there are enough machines out there that we
> would
>   > have at least two identical machines for each
> type
>   > manufactured.  If there were not really
> significant
>   > differences then that might tell the story.  I'm
>   > open to anything that will actually sort out
> some of
>   > these variables, even those we expect in the lab
>   > results.  Maybe Elaine would tell us what the
>   > acceptable limits are for her lab testing in the
>   > sense of one sample being run multiple times as
> a
>   > quality control test.  I agree that there are
> limits
>   > to what any lab can do.  I don't know what to
> think
>   > at this point, I've never sent paired, blind
> samples
>   > before.  I would pay for one of the samples
> though
>   > if someone paid for the other.
>   > Dave
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: dkemnitz2000 
>   > To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49 PM
>   > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---Dave, I was trying to point out there are
> many
>   > variables included 
>   > even in the testing, even of objective tests. I
> run
>   > a flour sample 
>   > here (myself) and do all the sample prep one day
> and
>   > do it again the 
>   > next day and get different numbers (vitamins B1
> and
>   > B2 for instance)
>   > each day. New variables the next day? Sample
>   > changed? Usually the 
>   > numbers are close but what do you do when it
> comes
>   > time for 
>   > disposition esp when numbers are not close?
> Maybe
>   > average, maybe 
>   > rerun sample, maybe get another sample? Maybe
>   > re-write the specs.? 
>   > Maybe throw out one for some reason. Anyway
>   > experimental design will 
>   > be important in the brewer tests. Dennis
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "David Loring"
>   > <dloring3@c...> wrote:
>   > > Dennis - I agree with about 95% of what you've
>   > said but there is a 
>   > need for testing in my mind, not with someones
> hard
>   > found recipe, but 
>   > with a mutually agreed to compost and food of
> some
>   > kind.  Unless we 
>   > can get information about the variability of
> these
>   > machines then 
>   > we're all on our own a bit and progress, much
>   > needed, will be 
>   > difficult.  It's hard to extrapolate to new
>   > situations unless we nail 
>   > down the variables one at a time.  I think the
>   > strength of this forum 
>   > is found in combining our sometimes expensive
>   > experiences.  I've 
>   > spent a couple thousand on testing myself
> without
>   > any product except 
>   > that I teach.  Those of us in the non-commercial
>   > world stand to gain 
>   > the most from sharing.  If I can pay for only
> one
>   > report and get the 
>   > answers from 5-10 others I'd consider it money
> well
>   > spent.  
>   > > Dave
>   > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > >   From: dkemnitz2000 
>   > >   To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com 
>   > >   Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:04 PM
>   > >   Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >   --- In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com,
> "tomjasz"
>   > <tom@l...> wrote:
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >  
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >  Unfortunately, but understandably the
>   > developers of the 
>   > nutrient 
>   > >   > packs have invested thousands of dollars
> in
>   > their "recipes". 
>   > Two 
>   > >   > developers I have conversations with
> aren't
>   > particularly 
>   > excited 
>   > >   > about having a competition. They are busy
> with
>   > their farmers, 
>   > fruit 
>   > >   > growers and viticulturists developing
>   > successful operations 
>   > based 
>   > >   on 
>   > >   > sustainable practice and using ACT as a
> part
>   > of the program. 
>   > The 
>   > >   > controlled testing has been going on with
>   > several manufacturers 
>   > for 
> 
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