Well Mike:
For want of repeatable results from independent trials what else are we to
do? So, for the product formulators on the list, get results we can rely on
to reflect the conditions we are supposed to use the product under and then
we can evaluate the efficacy of the product.
It is of course equally relevant to ACT, and in my opinion, one of the
failures of ACT or AACT or even compost, to give results that are
consistently better than doing nothing. Granted some studies have been done,
but nothing definitive.
SS
From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mikethewormguy
Sent: 30 March 2011 15:40
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Best Environmental Technologies?
Are we now determining the quality of a soil amendment (i.e. TM21) based on
educated guessing ?
Do we want others to apply the seeming 'guessing' standard to ACT or LCE ?
For the product formulators on this list, my sense is that none of us would
want our product judged based upon even 'educated' guessing and opinion.
As Elaine would say.... " Where's the data " " Show me the data "
Pardon if I sound a little sensitive, but being a cook with a lab coat who
makes stuff, the is alot of great stuff that can be formulated into a 'thin
black liquid".
Mike Flynn
Green Quest LLC
BioSpecific LLC
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_...> wrote:
>
> I was going to say; sounds like molasses before anyone mentioned this. Why
pay for watered down molasses?
>
> Tim
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>
, "jwoenne" <jrrwoenne_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Julie,
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > I agree entirely. I also suspect it some kind of mix of molasses/humic
acid/fulvic acid/liquid kelp.
> >
> > I tried it a few years ago without any visible benefit. I suspect it
gives visible benefit with soils that have been hammered by poor farming
practices, i.e., compacted soils with struggling microbiology. But if your
soils are pretty good to start, then there is little benefit.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
<mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> , "firth_julie" <yilgarn_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi James,
> > > I live in Geraldton, Western Australia and went to a tm21 best seminar
a year or so ago and I asked Martin Straper (the presenter and ex csiro
scientist) what was in it and he said " no micro-organisms, just food to
stimulate them." The product is a black thin liquid, my guess is it possibly
a mix of fulvic acid, molasses, kelp etc...
> > > The actual ingredients are their trade secrets I suppose, otherwise
who would buy it when we can make our own..and they have to pay for their
product, research, marketing etc.. somehow.
> > >
> > > Whether it is produces any better results than a liquid bact/and or
fungal food mix to your soil is something you would have to trial.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Julie Firth
> > > Drylands Permaculture Research Farm
> > >
> >
>
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