[compost_tea] Re: Best Environmental Technologies?

From: mikethewormguy <mikethewormguy_at_aol.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:46 -0000



Stephen,

I think that it would have been better for me to say that products need to =
be tested/evaluated objectively with the proper experimental design. This c=
ould be at the farmer's location and/or at a 3rd party located.

One thing I have sought to do with 'organic' formulation(s) testing is to r=
eally be clear on what 'success' looks like and conditions connected to cre=
ating 'success'. It is a challenge and sorry to say, at times, location sp=
ecific.

Mike Flynn
Green Quest LLC
BioSoecific LLC






--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Steyn" <ssteyn_at_...> wrote:
>
> Well Mike:
>
> For want of repeatable results from independent trials what else are we t=
o
> do? So, for the product formulators on the list, get results we can rely =
on
> to reflect the conditions we are supposed to use the product under and th=
en
> we can evaluate the efficacy of the product.
>
> It is of course equally relevant to ACT, and in my opinion, one of the
> failures of ACT or AACT or even compost, to give results that are
> consistently better than doing nothing. Granted some studies have been do=
ne,
> but nothing definitive.
>
> SS
>
>
>
> From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of mikethewormguy
> Sent: 30 March 2011 15:40
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Best Environmental Technologies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Are we now determining the quality of a soil amendment (i.e. TM21) based =
on
> educated guessing ?
>
> Do we want others to apply the seeming 'guessing' standard to ACT or LCE =
?
>
> For the product formulators on this list, my sense is that none of us wou=
ld
> want our product judged based upon even 'educated' guessing and opinion.
>
> As Elaine would say.... " Where's the data " " Show me the data "
>
> Pardon if I sound a little sensitive, but being a cook with a lab coat wh=
o
> makes stuff, the is alot of great stuff that can be formulated into a 'th=
in
> black liquid".
>
> Mike Flynn
> Green Quest LLC
> BioSpecific LLC
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
 ,
> "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to say; sounds like molasses before anyone mentioned this. =
Why
> pay for watered down molasses?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.co=
m>
> , "jwoenne" <jrrwoenne_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > Julie,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > >
> > > I agree entirely. I also suspect it some kind of mix of molasses/humi=
c
> acid/fulvic acid/liquid kelp.
> > >
> > > I tried it a few years ago without any visible benefit. I suspect it
> gives visible benefit with soils that have been hammered by poor farming
> practices, i.e., compacted soils with struggling microbiology. But if you=
r
> soils are pretty good to start, then there is little benefit.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> , "firth_julie" <yilgarn_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi James,
> > > > I live in Geraldton, Western Australia and went to a tm21 best semi=
nar
> a year or so ago and I asked Martin Straper (the presenter and ex csiro
> scientist) what was in it and he said " no micro-organisms, just food to
> stimulate them." The product is a black thin liquid, my guess is it possi=
bly
> a mix of fulvic acid, molasses, kelp etc...
> > > > The actual ingredients are their trade secrets I suppose, otherwise
> who would buy it when we can make our own..and they have to pay for their
> product, research, marketing etc.. somehow.
> > > >
> > > > Whether it is produces any better results than a liquid bact/and or
> fungal food mix to your soil is something you would have to trial.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Julie Firth
> > > > Drylands Permaculture Research Farm
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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