Re: [compost_tea] Re: Best Environmental Technologies?

From: Jeff Lowenfels <jeff_at_gardener.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:09:11 -0800



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On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:02 AM, "mikethewormguy" <mikethewormguy_at_aol.com> wrot=
e:

>
>
> Stephen,
>
> I think that it would have been better for me to say that products need t=
o be tested/evaluated objectively with the proper experimental design. This=
 could be at the farmer's location and/or at a 3rd party located.
>
> One thing I have sought to do with 'organic' formulation(s) testing is to=
 really be clear on what 'success' looks like and conditions connected to c=
reating 'success'. It is a challenge and sorry to say, at times, location s=
pecific.
>
> Mike Flynn
> Green Quest LLC
> BioSoecific LLC
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Steyn" <ssteyn_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > Well Mike:
> >
> > For want of repeatable results from independent trials what else are we=
 to
> > do? So, for the product formulators on the list, get results we can rel=
y on
> > to reflect the conditions we are supposed to use the product under and =
then
> > we can evaluate the efficacy of the product.
> >
> > It is of course equally relevant to ACT, and in my opinion, one of the
> > failures of ACT or AACT or even compost, to give results that are
> > consistently better than doing nothing. Granted some studies have been =
done,
> > but nothing definitive.
> >
> > SS
> >
> >
> >
> > From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] =
On
> > Behalf Of mikethewormguy
> > Sent: 30 March 2011 15:40
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Best Environmental Technologies?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Are we now determining the quality of a soil amendment (i.e. TM21) base=
d on
> > educated guessing ?
> >
> > Do we want others to apply the seeming 'guessing' standard to ACT or LC=
E ?
> >
> > For the product formulators on this list, my sense is that none of us w=
ould
> > want our product judged based upon even 'educated' guessing and opinion=
.
> >
> > As Elaine would say.... " Where's the data " " Show me the data "
> >
> > Pardon if I sound a little sensitive, but being a cook with a lab coat =
who
> > makes stuff, the is alot of great stuff that can be formulated into a '=
thin
> > black liquid".
> >
> > Mike Flynn
> > Green Quest LLC
> > BioSpecific LLC
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.co=
m> ,
> > "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was going to say; sounds like molasses before anyone mentioned this=
. Why
> > pay for watered down molasses?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.=
com>
> > , "jwoenne" <jrrwoenne_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Julie,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > > >
> > > > I agree entirely. I also suspect it some kind of mix of molasses/hu=
mic
> > acid/fulvic acid/liquid kelp.
> > > >
> > > > I tried it a few years ago without any visible benefit. I suspect i=
t
> > gives visible benefit with soils that have been hammered by poor farmin=
g
> > practices, i.e., compacted soils with struggling microbiology. But if y=
our
> > soils are pretty good to start, then there is little benefit.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> , "firth_julie" <yilgarn_at_> wrote=
:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi James,
> > > > > I live in Geraldton, Western Australia and went to a tm21 best se=
minar
> > a year or so ago and I asked Martin Straper (the presenter and ex csiro
> > scientist) what was in it and he said " no micro-organisms, just food t=
o
> > stimulate them." The product is a black thin liquid, my guess is it pos=
sibly
> > a mix of fulvic acid, molasses, kelp etc...
> > > > > The actual ingredients are their trade secrets I suppose, otherwi=
se
> > who would buy it when we can make our own..and they have to pay for the=
ir
> > product, research, marketing etc.. somehow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether it is produces any better results than a liquid bact/and =
or
> > fungal food mix to your soil is something you would have to trial.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > Julie Firth
> > > > > Drylands Permaculture Research Farm
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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