[compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
I agree that one must apply their own logic to things. But I imagine Buddha=
understood that everyone can apply their own logic in their own way. We ca=
n only apply logic and reason in its literal use towards what makes sense t=
o our senses, or what can be measured and controlled. But this is only half=
the story.
For instance, in the post after yours Jason used the concept of the scienti=
fic method to define the idea of "rational thought". This is considered log=
ical, its what we're taught in school. But it makes an equation out of Natu=
re, and she is dynamic and operating beyond our ability to experience compl=
etly. The further we look into Nature the less we know. Call that faith.
Consider that the scientific method operates by denying, not proving. That =
is also the case in logic with deducative reasoning. There is no intuition,=
no imagination, no inspiration. And this is what makes us human.
Consider that a hypothesis, becomes a theory, and can only become a law if =
the experiment happens the same way every time. When was the last time you =
looked into a microscope and saw the same thing you saw your last session? =
Nothing in Nature happens the same way twice.
Nature doesn't work in straight lines and data points, but ordered chaos an=
d spirals. We have established a means of defining truth in regards to natu=
ral systems that is counterintuitive to how she works.
Tim, I'm curious, what did you mean by this? "Even in areas of microbial nu=
trient loops I am still a great believer in logic."
Evan
www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jeff;
>
> Did you post something? I don't see anything.
>
> Also, to avoid confusion (if any), I am neither knocking nor supporting t=
he moon's effect on plant growth. I was simply commenting on what I perceiv=
ed as a lack of logic in the apparent assertion that the gravitational infl=
uence of the moon is one of addition to the earth's (eg. plants growing dow=
nwards) rather than subtraction (pulling on) from or skewing of the earth's=
gravitational force. Even in areas of microbial nutrient loops I am still =
a great believer in logic.
>
> Was it Buddha or someone like that who said [something like] not to belie=
ve anything anyone says unless you can apply your own logic to it?
>
> Tim
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jeff Lowenfels <jeff_at_> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Plant A Row For The Hungry...and read "TEAMING WITH MICROBES: THE ORGAN=
IC GARDENER'S GUIDE TO THE SOIL FOOD WEB."
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:59 AM, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> >
> > > I sent this weeks ago, strange.
> > >
> > > Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to underst=
and our surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to underst=
and. People do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics breaks do=
wn towards the speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, again=
, the more we look into it, the less we know.
> > >
> > > What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is from t=
he moon would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-existe=
nt relative to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would a ro=
ck not fall up when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a pla=
nt up, or a tide. It is another force alltogether, one that we do not colle=
ctively recognize, which is the focus of much of our work. The plant, and a=
ll living systems, are affected by levity, or the force that works opposite=
of gravity. There are always opposing forces in Nature. The workings of Na=
ture are towards balance, the more we can get into resonance with this in o=
ur gardening and compost tea brewing, the better resutls we will have..
> > >
> > > evan
> > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are many un=
explained events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small point;=
I believe that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the eart=
h is discussed and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is mean=
t and not a multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are so =
affected, it would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I believe=
this is a component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitational at=
traction or pull between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodies, t=
he greater the force?]
> > > >
> > > > Salutations,
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a remnant=
of ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of cele=
stial cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most of th=
is when the Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we would =
follow the sun through the sky.
> > > > >
> > > > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and trans=
ition in the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping up =
considering the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on Octobe=
r 28th of this year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have become=
fixated with December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but this ha=
s more to do with Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of the a=
ncient calendar than anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and read=
his book Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar. I t=
hink you will be interested in what you find. We live in intersting times i=
ndeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our sense=
s, but that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay attenti=
on to in order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never walk=
ed through. This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency farming=
, homeopathy, etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrared f=
requencies pests use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialistic vi=
ew of why the waxing moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra suns=
rays bouncing off the moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up quicker=
. I remember being taught this in school in regards to the tides.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants would =
actually be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument that th=
e moon reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to me.=
My mind goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp indoo=
rs. Without enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves, it =
does not result int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces of gr=
avity? This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Further =
evidence that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the story =
in regards to natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we create fa=
bles about how Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an app=
le, but spend no time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in the f=
irst place.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setting t=
han physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals and =
humans retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and human=
s are unique in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-reflectio=
n.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reason t=
hey are still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm. Ani=
mals are less so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from this in=
fluence, which is why most will not allow themselves to even entertain the =
idea that subtle energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an entir=
ely materialistic view of life, and it cripples us.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these phen=
omenon. Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselves in=
the middle to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and humans =
tip the scale if we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fish cl=
imb waterfalls, or why plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can all at=
test to the strange energies and activity associated by the full moon in pe=
ople. If the moon has such an effect on people and plants, why not the othe=
r celestial bodies?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperations =
BD500-508 were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bodies,=
not materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound effec=
t used in such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in wat=
er. The living water can then carry the frequency message to the field or g=
arden. This is water's major role in natural systems and why rivers meander=
, rain drops spiral, or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, Steine=
r provides a much more compelling argument than I can here. There are sever=
al planting calendars that can be used for these purposes. See www.StellaNa=
tura.com or the work of Maria Thune.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed to c=
elestial events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin investigat=
ing this in order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. There'=
s no telling what we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Evan
> > > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that harves=
ting on the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be dried=
and or cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a plan=
t is at it's lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant is ta=
king up and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the waning m=
oon until the start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "RTS Friction - Carruthers"=
<home_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech Solu=
tions, no longer have the URL address but if you google :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it shoul=
d lead you to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads more =
interesting info
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> > > > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
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> > > > > > > Rgds
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> > > > > > > Ian C
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> > > > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime time=
s for foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 days =
leading up to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory the =
moon governs the movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% water=
. Further, a full moon supplies the plant with an extra period of light. Wh=
en a full moon is reflecting the suns rays back earth, the photosynthetic p=
rocesses of plants will continue to operate. Fluid movement in the plant mo=
re vigorous under full moon influence and foliar nutrients are more efficie=
ntly translocated. Compare the sap flow by pruning on a full moon compared =
to a new moon."
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