[compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
I was simply commenting on what I perceived as a
lack of logic in the apparent assertion that the gravitational influence of=
the moon is one of addition to the earth's (eg. plants growing downwards) =
rather than subtraction (pulling on) from or skewing of the earth's gravita=
tional force. Period.
It is your turn first to answer my questions. ;> said Socrates to Euthyphro
Tim
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if=
I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common =
sense." ~Buddha
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_...> wrote:
>
> I agree that one must apply their own logic to things. But I imagine Budd=
ha understood that everyone can apply their own logic in their own way. We =
can only apply logic and reason in its literal use towards what makes sense=
to our senses, or what can be measured and controlled. But this is only ha=
lf the story.
>
> For instance, in the post after yours Jason used the concept of the scien=
tific method to define the idea of "rational thought". This is considered l=
ogical, its what we're taught in school. But it makes an equation out of Na=
ture, and she is dynamic and operating beyond our ability to experience com=
pletly. The further we look into Nature the less we know. Call that faith.=
>
> Consider that the scientific method operates by denying, not proving. Tha=
t is also the case in logic with deducative reasoning. There is no intuitio=
n, no imagination, no inspiration. And this is what makes us human.
>
> Consider that a hypothesis, becomes a theory, and can only become a law i=
f the experiment happens the same way every time. When was the last time yo=
u looked into a microscope and saw the same thing you saw your last session=
? Nothing in Nature happens the same way twice.
>
> Nature doesn't work in straight lines and data points, but ordered chaos =
and spirals. We have established a means of defining truth in regards to na=
tural systems that is counterintuitive to how she works.
>
> Tim, I'm curious, what did you mean by this? "Even in areas of microbial =
nutrient loops I am still a great believer in logic."
>
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> Evan
> www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jeff;
> >
> > Did you post something? I don't see anything.
> >
> > Also, to avoid confusion (if any), I am neither knocking nor supporting=
the moon's effect on plant growth. I was simply commenting on what I perce=
ived as a lack of logic in the apparent assertion that the gravitational in=
fluence of the moon is one of addition to the earth's (eg. plants growing d=
ownwards) rather than subtraction (pulling on) from or skewing of the earth=
's gravitational force. Even in areas of microbial nutrient loops I am stil=
l a great believer in logic.
> >
> > Was it Buddha or someone like that who said [something like] not to bel=
ieve anything anyone says unless you can apply your own logic to it?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jeff Lowenfels <jeff_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Plant A Row For The Hungry...and read "TEAMING WITH MICROBES: THE ORG=
ANIC GARDENER'S GUIDE TO THE SOIL FOOD WEB."
> > >
> > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:59 AM, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I sent this weeks ago, strange.
> > > >
> > > > Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to under=
stand our surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to under=
stand. People do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics breaks =
down towards the speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, aga=
in, the more we look into it, the less we know.
> > > >
> > > > What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is from=
the moon would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-exis=
tent relative to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would a =
rock not fall up when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a p=
lant up, or a tide. It is another force alltogether, one that we do not col=
lectively recognize, which is the focus of much of our work. The plant, and=
all living systems, are affected by levity, or the force that works opposi=
te of gravity. There are always opposing forces in Nature. The workings of =
Nature are towards balance, the more we can get into resonance with this in=
our gardening and compost tea brewing, the better resutls we will have..
> > > >
> > > > evan
> > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrot=
e:
> > > > >
> > > > > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are many =
unexplained events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small poin=
t; I believe that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the ea=
rth is discussed and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is me=
ant and not a multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are s=
o affected, it would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I belie=
ve this is a component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitational =
attraction or pull between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodies,=
the greater the force?]
> > > > >
> > > > > Salutations,
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a remna=
nt of ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of ce=
lestial cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most of =
this when the Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we woul=
d follow the sun through the sky.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and tra=
nsition in the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping u=
p considering the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on Octo=
ber 28th of this year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have beco=
me fixated with December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but this =
has more to do with Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of the=
ancient calendar than anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and re=
ad his book Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar. I=
think you will be interested in what you find. We live in intersting times=
indeed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our sen=
ses, but that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay atten=
tion to in order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never wa=
lked through. This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency farmi=
ng, homeopathy, etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrared=
frequencies pests use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialistic =
view of why the waxing moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra su=
ns rays bouncing off the moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up quick=
er. I remember being taught this in school in regards to the tides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants woul=
d actually be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument that =
the moon reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to m=
e. My mind goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp ind=
oors. Without enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves, i=
t does not result int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces of =
gravity? This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Furthe=
r evidence that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the stor=
y in regards to natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we create =
fables about how Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an a=
pple, but spend no time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in the=
first place.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setting=
than physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals an=
d humans retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and hum=
ans are unique in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-reflect=
ion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reason=
they are still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm. A=
nimals are less so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from this =
influence, which is why most will not allow themselves to even entertain th=
e idea that subtle energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an ent=
irely materialistic view of life, and it cripples us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these ph=
enomenon. Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselves =
in the middle to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and human=
s tip the scale if we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fish =
climb waterfalls, or why plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can all =
attest to the strange energies and activity associated by the full moon in =
people. If the moon has such an effect on people and plants, why not the ot=
her celestial bodies?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperation=
s BD500-508 were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bodie=
s, not materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound eff=
ect used in such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in w=
ater. The living water can then carry the frequency message to the field or=
garden. This is water's major role in natural systems and why rivers meand=
er, rain drops spiral, or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, Stei=
ner provides a much more compelling argument than I can here. There are sev=
eral planting calendars that can be used for these purposes. See www.Stella=
Natura.com or the work of Maria Thune.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed to=
celestial events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin investig=
ating this in order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. Ther=
e's no telling what we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evan
> > > > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that harv=
esting on the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be dri=
ed and or cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a pl=
ant is at it's lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
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> > > > > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant is =
taking up and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the waning=
moon until the start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "RTS Friction - Carruther=
s" <home_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech So=
lutions, no longer have the URL address but if you google :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it sho=
uld lead you to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads mor=
e interesting info
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> > > > > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
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> > > > > > > > Rgds
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> > > > > > > > Ian C
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> > > > > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime ti=
mes for foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 day=
s leading up to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory th=
e moon governs the movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% wat=
er. Further, a full moon supplies the plant with an extra period of light. =
When a full moon is reflecting the suns rays back earth, the photosynthetic=
processes of plants will continue to operate. Fluid movement in the plant =
more vigorous under full moon influence and foliar nutrients are more effic=
iently translocated. Compare the sap flow by pruning on a full moon compare=
d to a new moon."
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