[compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying

From: evanfolds <evan_at_progressearth.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:30:05 -0000

Thanks. Love the quote. The concept of belief is a powerful thing.

I'm still not exactly sure what you're saying. If the pull of the Earth is =
stronger than the moon, the plant cannot grow up. In other words, it is not=
 the gravity pulling it up. If a stronger and a weaker person are pulling o=
n a rope in a tug of war, it goes to the side of the stronger. There is no =
offsetting of forces. I offer this simply to have us think about what we mi=
ght be missing in working with only the forces we can experience and measur=
e. It's only half the story.

Evan
www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "ryzhomer" <thegoodjob_at_...> wrote:
>
> I was simply commenting on what I perceived as a
> lack of logic in the apparent assertion that the gravitational influence =
of the moon is one of addition to the earth's (eg. plants growing downwards=
) rather than subtraction (pulling on) from or skewing of the earth's gravi=
tational force. Period.
>
> It is your turn first to answer my questions. ;> said Socrates to Euthyph=
ro
>
> Tim
>
> "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter =
if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own commo=
n sense." ~Buddha
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> >
> > I agree that one must apply their own logic to things. But I imagine Bu=
ddha understood that everyone can apply their own logic in their own way. W=
e can only apply logic and reason in its literal use towards what makes sen=
se to our senses, or what can be measured and controlled. But this is only =
half the story.
> >
> > For instance, in the post after yours Jason used the concept of the sci=
entific method to define the idea of "rational thought". This is considered=
 logical, its what we're taught in school. But it makes an equation out of =
Nature, and she is dynamic and operating beyond our ability to experience c=
ompletly. The further we look into Nature the less we know. Call that faith=
.
> >
> > Consider that the scientific method operates by denying, not proving. T=
hat is also the case in logic with deducative reasoning. There is no intuit=
ion, no imagination, no inspiration. And this is what makes us human.
> >
> > Consider that a hypothesis, becomes a theory, and can only become a law=
 if the experiment happens the same way every time. When was the last time =
you looked into a microscope and saw the same thing you saw your last sessi=
on? Nothing in Nature happens the same way twice.
> >
> > Nature doesn't work in straight lines and data points, but ordered chao=
s and spirals. We have established a means of defining truth in regards to =
natural systems that is counterintuitive to how she works.
> >
> > Tim, I'm curious, what did you mean by this? "Even in areas of microbia=
l nutrient loops I am still a great believer in logic."
> >
> >
> > Evan
> > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Jeff;
> > >
> > > Did you post something? I don't see anything.
> > >
> > > Also, to avoid confusion (if any), I am neither knocking nor supporti=
ng the moon's effect on plant growth. I was simply commenting on what I per=
ceived as a lack of logic in the apparent assertion that the gravitational =
influence of the moon is one of addition to the earth's (eg. plants growing=
 downwards) rather than subtraction (pulling on) from or skewing of the ear=
th's gravitational force. Even in areas of microbial nutrient loops I am st=
ill a great believer in logic.
> > >
> > > Was it Buddha or someone like that who said [something like] not to b=
elieve anything anyone says unless you can apply your own logic to it?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jeff Lowenfels <jeff_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Plant A Row For The Hungry...and read "TEAMING WITH MICROBES: THE O=
RGANIC GARDENER'S GUIDE TO THE SOIL FOOD WEB."
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:59 AM, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I sent this weeks ago, strange.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to und=
erstand our surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to und=
erstand. People do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics break=
s down towards the speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, a=
gain, the more we look into it, the less we know.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is fr=
om the moon would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-ex=
istent relative to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would =
a rock not fall up when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a=
 plant up, or a tide. It is another force alltogether, one that we do not c=
ollectively recognize, which is the focus of much of our work. The plant, a=
nd all living systems, are affected by levity, or the force that works oppo=
site of gravity. There are always opposing forces in Nature. The workings o=
f Nature are towards balance, the more we can get into resonance with this =
in our gardening and compost tea brewing, the better resutls we will have..
> > > > >
> > > > > evan
> > > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wr=
ote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are man=
y unexplained events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small po=
int; I believe that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the =
earth is discussed and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is =
meant and not a multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are=
 so affected, it would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I bel=
ieve this is a component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitationa=
l attraction or pull between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodie=
s, the greater the force?]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salutations,
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a rem=
nant of ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of =
celestial cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most o=
f this when the Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we wo=
uld follow the sun through the sky.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and t=
ransition in the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping=
 up considering the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on Oc=
tober 28th of this year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have be=
come fixated with December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but thi=
s has more to do with Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of t=
he ancient calendar than anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and =
read his book Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar.=
 I think you will be interested in what you find. We live in intersting tim=
es indeed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our s=
enses, but that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay att=
ention to in order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never =
walked through. This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency far=
ming, homeopathy, etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrar=
ed frequencies pests use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialisti=
c view of why the waxing moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra =
suns rays bouncing off the moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up qui=
cker. I remember being taught this in school in regards to the tides.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants wo=
uld actually be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument tha=
t the moon reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to=
 me. My mind goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp i=
ndoors. Without enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves,=
 it does not result int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces o=
f gravity? This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Furt=
her evidence that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the st=
ory in regards to natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we creat=
e fables about how Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an=
 apple, but spend no time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in t=
he first place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setti=
ng than physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals =
and humans retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and h=
umans are unique in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-refle=
ction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reas=
on they are still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm.=
 Animals are less so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from thi=
s influence, which is why most will not allow themselves to even entertain =
the idea that subtle energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an e=
ntirely materialistic view of life, and it cripples us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these =
phenomenon. Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselve=
s in the middle to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and hum=
ans tip the scale if we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fis=
h climb waterfalls, or why plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can al=
l attest to the strange energies and activity associated by the full moon i=
n people. If the moon has such an effect on people and plants, why not the =
other celestial bodies?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperati=
ons BD500-508 were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bod=
ies, not materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound e=
ffect used in such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in=
 water. The living water can then carry the frequency message to the field =
or garden. This is water's major role in natural systems and why rivers mea=
nder, rain drops spiral, or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, St=
einer provides a much more compelling argument than I can here. There are s=
everal planting calendars that can be used for these purposes. See www.Stel=
laNatura.com or the work of Maria Thune.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed =
to celestial events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin invest=
igating this in order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. Th=
ere's no telling what we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.=
 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evan
> > > > > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote=
:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that ha=
rvesting on the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be d=
ried and or cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a =
plant is at it's lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant i=
s taking up and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the wani=
ng moon until the start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "RTS Friction - Carruth=
ers" <home_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech =
Solutions, no longer have the URL address but if you google :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it s=
hould lead you to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads m=
ore interesting info
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> > > > > > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
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> > > > > > > > > Rgds
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ian C
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime =
times for foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 d=
ays leading up to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory =
the moon governs the movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% w=
ater. Further, a full moon supplies the plant with an extra period of light=
. When a full moon is reflecting the suns rays back earth, the photosynthet=
ic processes of plants will continue to operate. Fluid movement in the plan=
t more vigorous under full moon influence and foliar nutrients are more eff=
iciently translocated. Compare the sap flow by pruning on a full moon compa=
red to a new moon."
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