RE: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying

From: Stephen Steyn <ssteyn_at_wcaccess.co.za>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:18:13 +0200

Tim;

I have learnt a long time ago that pursuing an argument based on philosophi=
cal matters such as these is pointless. Testosterone dictates that one shou=
ld follow it through to some sort of conclusion, but in reality the argumen=
t gets lost along the way and it becomes a man vs. man thing.

Try convincing a smoker that smoking is bad for you – especially wh=
en you keep in mind that the smoking industry for many years led us to beli=
eve that it caused no harm – even when in fact they knew better.

Try convincing someone that sex leads to pregnancy – then explain w=
hy every time you have sex you don’t necessarily end up pregnant. T=
he argument can be long and tedious especially if the other one doesnâ€=
™t wish to hear your logic or has little capacity for it.

Rest easy old timer, and carry on the good work you’re doing.

Stephen Steyn

Malmesbury

South Africa

 

From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On B=
ehalf Of Tim Wilson
Sent: 09 November 2011 03:43
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying

 

  

Which point? hehe

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> ,=
 Jason Kalka <shortstop42000_at_...> wrote:
>
> I think the point has been lost in the counter-points.  I vot=
e to kill this
> thread.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: migrainexx <rap.rem_at_...>
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 4:21:39 PM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
>
> Â
>
>
> Hi Tad & Evan,
> Tad I agree with you about the plant and light…Evan h=
ere's my example to back up
> what Tad stated…They advertize the Tipsy Turby (or wh=
at ever they call it)
> upside down tomato plant…I grew that method 25 years =
ago in a 5 gallon
> bucket…The growing tip will grow down a few inches bu=
t it will curl up towards
> the sun…Put it inside in a chamber hanging from the c=
eiling and install a HID
> light source (MH or HPS) on the floor pointing up to the plant and the ti=
p will
> grow straight down to the floor towards the light…I g=
rew this method in the 60's
> to utilize space indoors…You can also train Bonsai th=
is way to grow horizontal
> instead of tying or wiring the branches…In my opinion=
 nothing to do with
> gravity…Rock
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
 , Tad Hussey <tadhussey_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Evan,
> >
> >
> > Without doing any research (this is off the top of my head from high sc=
hool
> >physics), my understanding is that because the Earth has greater mass th=
an the
> >moon it exerts a larger gravitational pull, keeping our feet firmly on t=
he
> >planet. The moon has some influence on our tides d=
ue to it's weaker
> >gravitational pull, but closer proximity to Earth than the Sun.Ãâ=
€šÃ‚ Therefore,
> >depending on where the Moon is located, relative to the Earth's rotation=
 allows
> >scientists to calculate the tides. I'm not sure I =
understand your reference in
> >regards to gravity in this post.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand your logic on plants either.Â=
 Plants grow up as
> > they reach towards light or the sun. It's not gra=
vity pulling it up,
> > but rather the plant's ability to grow in a manner that exceeds the
> > force of gravity that the mass of the Earth places on the plant.Ã=
‚Â Almost all
> >living organisms grow in a similar fashion. I don'=
t see how this is a mystery
> >or unexplained by science, or how this relates to aerated compost tea.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: evanfolds <evan_at_>
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
 
> > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 7:59 AM
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > I sent this weeks ago, strange.
> >
> > Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to understan=
d our
> >surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to understand. =
People
> >do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics breaks down toward=
s the
> >speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, again, the more w=
e look
> >into it, the less we know.
> >
> >
> > What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is from the=
 moon
> >would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-existent re=
lative
> >to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would a rock not fa=
ll up
> >when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a plant up, or a =
tide. It
> >is another force alltogether, one that we do not collectively recognize,=
 which
> >is the focus of much of our work. The plant, and all living systems, are=
 
> >affected by levity, or the force that works opposite of gravity. There a=
re
> >always opposing forces in Nature. The workings of Nature are towards bal=
ance,
> >the more we can get into resonance with this in our gardening and compos=
t tea
> >brewing, the better resutls we will have..
> >
> > evan
> > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.co=
m> , "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are many unex=
plained
> >events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small point; I beli=
eve
> >that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the earth is dis=
cussed
> >and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is meant and not a=
 
> >multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are so affected,=
 it
> >would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I believe this is a=
 
> >component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitational attraction=
 or pull
> >between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodies, the greater the=
 force?]
> > >
> > > Salutations,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.=
com> , "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a remnant o=
f
> >ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of celes=
tial
> >cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most of this =
when the
> >Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we would follow th=
e sun
> >through the sky.
> >
> > > >
> > > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and transit=
ion in
> >the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping up consid=
ering
> >the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on October 28th of=
 this
> >year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have become fixated wit=
h
> >December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but this has more to d=
o with
> >Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of the ancient calendar=
 than
> >anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and read his book Solving =
the
> >Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar. I think you will be in=
terested
> >in what you find. We live in intersting times indeed.
> >
> > > >
> > > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our senses,=
 but
> >that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay attention t=
o in
> >order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never walked thr=
ough.
> >This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency farming, homeopa=
thy,
> >etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrared frequencies =
pests
> >use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialistic view of why the =
waxing
> >moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra suns rays bouncing off=
 the
> >moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up quicker. I remember being t=
aught
> >this in school in regards to the tides.
> >
> > > >
> > > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants would ac=
tually
> >be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument that the moon=
 
> >reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to me. My =
mind
> >goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp indoors. Wi=
thout
> >enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves, it does not =
result
> >int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces of grav=
ity?
> >This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Further evid=
ence
> >that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the story in reg=
ards to
> >natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we create fables about =
how
> >Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an apple, but spen=
d no
> >time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in the first place.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setting tha=
n
> >physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals and h=
umans
> >retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and humans ar=
e unique
> >in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-reflection.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reason the=
y are
> >still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm. Animals =
are less
> >so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from this influence, wh=
ich is
> >why most will not allow themselves to even entertain the idea that subtl=
e
> >energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an entirely materialis=
tic view
> >of life, and it cripples us.
> >
> > > >
> > > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these phenom=
enon.
> >Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselves in the =
middle
> >to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and humans tip the s=
cale if
> >we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fish climb waterfalls=
, or why
> >plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can all attest to the strange =
energies
> >and activity associated by the full moon in people. If the moon has such=
 an
> >effect on people and plants, why not the other celestial bodies?
> > > >
> > > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperations BD=
500-508
> >were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bodies, not
> >materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound effect =
used in
> >such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in water. The=
 living
> >water can then carry the frequency message to the field or garden. This =
is
> >water's major role in natural systems and why rivers meander, rain drops=
 spiral,
> >or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, Steiner provides a much =
more
> >compelling argument than I can here. There are several planting calendar=
s that
> >can be used for these purposes. See www.StellaNatura.com or the work of =
Maria
> >Thune.
> >
> > > >
> > > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed to cel=
estial
> >events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin investigating th=
is in
> >order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. There's no tell=
ing what
> >we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Evan
> > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroup=
s.com> , "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that harvesti=
ng on
> >the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be dried and =
or
> >cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a plant is =
at it's
> >lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant is taki=
ng up
> >and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the waning moon u=
ntil the
> >start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogro=
ups.com> , "RTS Friction - Carruthers" <home_at_>
> >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech Soluti=
ons, no
> >longer have the URL address but if you google :
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it should =
lead you
> >to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads more interest=
ing info
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rgds
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian C
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime times =
for
> >foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 days lea=
ding up
> >to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory the moon gov=
erns the
> >movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% water. Further, a f=
ull moon
> >supplies the plant with an extra period of light. When a full moon is re=
flecting
> >the suns rays back earth, the photosynthetic processes of plants will co=
ntinue
> >to operate. Fluid movement in the plant more vigorous under full moon in=
fluence
> >and foliar nutrients are more efficiently translocated. Compare the sap =
flow by
> >pruning on a full moon compared to a new moon."
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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