[compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
My uncle Albert would be amused that such a grave subject as the attraction=
-velocity between bodies be referred to as philosophy. I actually did not t=
hink I was arguing...
Tim
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Steyn" <ssteyn_at_...> wrote:
>
> Tim;
>
> I have learnt a long time ago that pursuing an argument based on philosop=
hical matters such as these is pointless. Testosterone dictates that one sh=
ould follow it through to some sort of conclusion, but in reality the argum=
ent gets lost along the way and it becomes a man vs. man thing.
>
> Try convincing a smoker that smoking is bad for you â€" especially wh=
en you keep in mind that the smoking industry for many years led us to beli=
eve that it caused no harm â€" even when in fact they knew better.
>
> Try convincing someone that sex leads to pregnancy â€" then explain w=
hy every time you have sex you don’t necessarily end up pregnant. T=
he argument can be long and tedious especially if the other one doesnâ€=
™t wish to hear your logic or has little capacity for it.
>
> Rest easy old timer, and carry on the good work you’re doing.
>
> Stephen Steyn
>
> Malmesbury
>
> South Africa
>
>
>
> From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On=
Behalf Of Tim Wilson
> Sent: 09 November 2011 03:43
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
>
>
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>
>
> Which point? hehe
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
, Jason Kalka <shortstop42000_at_> wrote:
> >
> > I think the point has been lost in the counter-points.  I v=
ote to kill this
> > thread.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: migrainexx <rap.rem_at_>
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
> > Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 4:21:39 PM
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > Hi Tad & Evan,
> > Tad I agree with you about the plant and light…Evan=
here's my example to back up
> > what Tad stated…They advertize the Tipsy Turby (or =
what ever they call it)
> > upside down tomato plant…I grew that method 25 year=
s ago in a 5 gallon
> > bucket…The growing tip will grow down a few inches =
but it will curl up towards
> > the sun…Put it inside in a chamber hanging from the=
ceiling and install a HID
> > light source (MH or HPS) on the floor pointing up to the plant and the =
tip will
> > grow straight down to the floor towards the light…I=
grew this method in the 60's
> > to utilize space indoors…You can also train Bonsai =
this way to grow horizontal
> > instead of tying or wiring the branches…In my opini=
on nothing to do with
> > gravity…Rock
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.co=
m> , Tad Hussey <tadhussey_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > Evan,
> > >
> > >
> > > Without doing any research (this is off the top of my head from high =
school
> > >physics), my understanding is that because the Earth has greater mass =
than the
> > >moon it exerts a larger gravitational pull, keeping our feet firmly on=
the
> > >planet. The moon has some influence on our tides=
due to it's weaker
> > >gravitational pull, but closer proximity to Earth than the Sun.Ã=
‚Â Therefore,
> > >depending on where the Moon is located, relative to the Earth's rotati=
on allows
> > >scientists to calculate the tides. I'm not sure =
I understand your reference in
> > >regards to gravity in this post.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand your logic on plants either.Â=
 Plants grow up as
> > > they reach towards light or the sun. It's not g=
ravity pulling it up,
> > > but rather the plant's ability to grow in a manner that exceeds the
> > > force of gravity that the mass of the Earth places on the plant.Ã=
ƒâ€šÃ‚ Almost all
> > >living organisms grow in a similar fashion. I do=
n't see how this is a mystery
> > >or unexplained by science, or how this relates to aerated compost tea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: evanfolds <evan_at_>
> > > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com=
>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 7:59 AM
> > > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂ
> > > I sent this weeks ago, strange.
> > >
> > > Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to underst=
and our
> > >surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to understand=
. People
> > >do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics breaks down towa=
rds the
> > >speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, again, the more=
we look
> > >into it, the less we know.
> > >
> > >
> > > What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is from t=
he moon
> > >would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-existent =
relative
> > >to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would a rock not =
fall up
> > >when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a plant up, or =
a tide. It
> > >is another force alltogether, one that we do not collectively recogniz=
e, which
> > >is the focus of much of our work. The plant, and all living systems, a=
re
> > >affected by levity, or the force that works opposite of gravity. There=
are
> > >always opposing forces in Nature. The workings of Nature are towards b=
alance,
> > >the more we can get into resonance with this in our gardening and comp=
ost tea
> > >brewing, the better resutls we will have..
> > >
> > > evan
> > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.=
com> , "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are many un=
explained
> > >events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small point; I be=
lieve
> > >that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the earth is d=
iscussed
> > >and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is meant and not =
a
> > >multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are so affecte=
d, it
> > >would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I believe this is=
a
> > >component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitational attracti=
on or pull
> > >between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodies, the greater t=
he force?]
> > > >
> > > > Salutations,
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroup=
s.com> , "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a remnant=
of
> > >ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of cel=
estial
> > >cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most of thi=
s when the
> > >Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we would follow =
the sun
> > >through the sky.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and trans=
ition in
> > >the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping up cons=
idering
> > >the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on October 28th =
of this
> > >year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have become fixated w=
ith
> > >December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but this has more to=
do with
> > >Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of the ancient calend=
ar than
> > >anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and read his book Solvin=
g the
> > >Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar. I think you will be =
interested
> > >in what you find. We live in intersting times indeed.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our sense=
s, but
> > >that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay attention=
to in
> > >order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never walked t=
hrough.
> > >This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency farming, homeo=
pathy,
> > >etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrared frequencie=
s pests
> > >use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialistic view of why th=
e waxing
> > >moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra suns rays bouncing o=
ff the
> > >moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up quicker. I remember being=
taught
> > >this in school in regards to the tides.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants would =
actually
> > >be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument that the mo=
on
> > >reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to me. M=
y mind
> > >goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp indoors. =
Without
> > >enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves, it does no=
t result
> > >int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces of gr=
avity?
> > >This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Further ev=
idence
> > >that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the story in r=
egards to
> > >natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we create fables abou=
t how
> > >Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an apple, but sp=
end no
> > >time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in the first place.=
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setting t=
han
> > >physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals and=
humans
> > >retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and humans =
are unique
> > >in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-reflection.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reason t=
hey are
> > >still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm. Animal=
s are less
> > >so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from this influence, =
which is
> > >why most will not allow themselves to even entertain the idea that sub=
tle
> > >energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an entirely material=
istic view
> > >of life, and it cripples us.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these phen=
omenon.
> > >Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselves in th=
e middle
> > >to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and humans tip the=
scale if
> > >we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fish climb waterfal=
ls, or why
> > >plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can all attest to the strang=
e energies
> > >and activity associated by the full moon in people. If the moon has su=
ch an
> > >effect on people and plants, why not the other celestial bodies?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperations =
BD500-508
> > >were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bodies, not=
> > >materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound effec=
t used in
> > >such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in water. T=
he living
> > >water can then carry the frequency message to the field or garden. Thi=
s is
> > >water's major role in natural systems and why rivers meander, rain dro=
ps spiral,
> > >or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, Steiner provides a muc=
h more
> > >compelling argument than I can here. There are several planting calend=
ars that
> > >can be used for these purposes. See www.StellaNatura.com or the work o=
f Maria
> > >Thune.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed to c=
elestial
> > >events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin investigating =
this in
> > >order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. There's no te=
lling what
> > >we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Evan
> > > > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogro=
ups.com> , "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that harves=
ting on
> > >the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be dried an=
d or
> > >cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a plant i=
s at it's
> > >lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant is ta=
king up
> > >and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the waning moon=
until the
> > >start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoog=
roups.com> , "RTS Friction - Carruthers" <home_at_>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech Solu=
tions, no
> > >longer have the URL address but if you google :
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it shoul=
d lead you
> > >to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads more intere=
sting info
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rgds
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian C
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime time=
s for
> > >foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 days l=
eading up
> > >to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory the moon g=
overns the
> > >movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% water. Further, a=
full moon
> > >supplies the plant with an extra period of light. When a full moon is =
reflecting
> > >the suns rays back earth, the photosynthetic processes of plants will =
continue
> > >to operate. Fluid movement in the plant more vigorous under full moon =
influence
> > >and foliar nutrients are more efficiently translocated. Compare the sa=
p flow by
> > >pruning on a full moon compared to a new moon."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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