Sorry about that. The post loaded up before writing the last piece
of it and before the spell check.
I realize that the Fish thing and the Fulvic Acid are different
world's but I figure that the pH might at least hint at some things.
If 'the cut' was laid to the fulvic in some cases.
The process used in other cases.
I did not study Fulvic Acid nearly as hard or long as Ocean
Products but did get copies of a few chemical analysis reports
that were not to be found on the Internet years ago.
There was a lot of song and dance from all over the place.
After long conversations with people that consider themselves
experts (including a couple of pHd's) I came to the conclusion that
I didn't have the desire to put in the time to find out
whose truths were greater than the next guys and just went with a blend of =
a few products that I felt the most comfortable with.
Many of them that I didn't go with didn't seem to have much proof, Human co=
nsumption or not.
Just one example. I don't buy that all products involving humates
coming out of Utah are dogs compared to New Mexico. They sent me samples fr=
om a number of States to try including 80 pounds from Georgia. Utah blended=
with 2 from another State seemed to be real effective. 2 powders and one l=
iquid. I wonder if it's OK to post links or does it look like a person is t=
rying to shill something?
Of coarse with any of them what your doing with the product is another huge=
consideration. If I'm doing a very heavy foliar application on landscape p=
lants a product having a whole lot of oil
and a bunch of non soluble solids might not do much for me.
The same product used as a soil drench and the heavy oil and
fish meal might be a wonderful thing.
In compost tea people could argue it several ways.
Exactly how the humates are being used is another long story.
The subject can always stand more time if you care to come up with it.
Bill
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_...> wrote:
>
> In many cases a product is also used in human / animal nutrition
> and 'studies' may have more demanding eyes upon them.
> Fulvic Acid is one such product along with Fish and Kelp
> that came up a while back. I'll use the fish example
> since it's plain and straight forward.
>
> Any of it can become a long journey of study. In the case of Fish on the =
East Coast it seems to make sense to study the actual fish being
> used even before the methods. In a couple of cases that turns out to be =
Menhaden and Dogfish. (A complete examination of the humic source material =
is comparable in importance.)
>
> The liquid fish claiming to the most natural claims to jack the acid up t=
o 3.84 ounces per gallon. I've seen it come out as low as a
> pH of 2.8 over the years. Some people throw around a lot of words
> like enzymes, hormones, amino acids, etc. but the pH is such a powerful a=
nd fundamental marker that some of these things get wiped out or twisted be=
fore you can use the product.
> There seems to be just a few exceptions to this.
>
> Here's how Worthington talks about enzymes and pH plainly
> and simply.
>
> <snip>
>
> Extremely high or low pH values generally result in complete loss of acti=
vity for most enzymes. pH is also a factor in the stability of enzymes. As =
with activity, for each enzyme there is also a region of pH optimal stabili=
ty.
>
> http://www.worthington-biochem.com/introBiochem/effectspH.html
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, ----- <organic024_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a well written article on the reasoning behind label issues on H=
umics and Fulvics
> > Cheers
> > http://www.bioag.com/images/MY_can_NovDec09_40-44.pdf
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/19/11, gail raby <amberflame_at_> wrote:
> >
> > From: gail raby <amberflame_at_>
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Fulvic Acid
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 11:42 AM
> >
> > How do you brew teas in Oregon or California where a product cannot leg=
ally be labeled Fulvic Acid? ...Hugh
> >
> > Hugh is that right?
> > What is the rationale for such a law? So what name is this substanc=
e allowed to be called and sold by, if any?
> > Thanks for any info..g
> >
>
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