[compost_tea] Re: Bacteria eater (nutrient transformation) reproduction time and numbers in ACT

From: B Blake <bbdallas100_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:41:28 -0000

<snip> Goal of more protozoa?
Besides some potential for disease control, this is the whole point in brew=
ing compost tea.

Tim

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25390

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Protozoa will cycle nutrients by eating bacteria, which they do in great qu=
antities...10 to 12,000 per day.......

Twm,

Jeff l

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25389

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<snip> Usually what occurs in a brew is the first organisms to begin growin=
g are fungi
(if in your [vermi]compost) and bacteria/archaea. One can have a well devel=
oped
bacteria-fungal brew at 12 to 18 hours. Generally going to 24 hours is a sa=
fe
bet if you do not have a scope. At around the 30 to 40 hour period you shou=
ld
have quite a few flagellates (protozoa) which will be devouring the bacteri=
a and
quite often the bacteria is devouring the fungi which usually continues gro=
wing.
For a pretty full compliment of microbes, I recommend using the tea at 36 h=
ours.
If you are desirous of a protozoa dominant brew, then let it go to 48 hours=
 [or
observe with a microscope] If you let it go longer, like 72 hours, usually =
you
will end up with a brew dominated by ciliates (protozoa), the effects of wh=
ich,
I've yet to determine for myself.

This natural progression towards a single organism dominance is one reason =
I
remain skeptical about perpetual brewing.

Salutations,
Tim

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/26957

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Sure: I believe you may have missed the basic concept of compost tea (CT).
Bacteria and archaea and protozoa (flagellates & naked amoebae) are extract=
ed
and multiply in CT. Fungi is also extracted and grows as hyphae.
Bacteria/archaea and fungi feed on the basic foods placed in the brew (as w=
ell as those in the [vermi]compost).



The protozoa start eating the bacteria/archaea

and multiply rapidly.



Usually between 24 and 36 hours you have a good ratio of
these three/four organisms. When applied to the soil, this eating and
multiplying continues and the protozoa utilize only 30 to 40% of the nutrie=
nt
value they derive from eating the bacteria/archaea and the remaining nutrie=
nts
are released and are directly available to the plants' roots .



This is the crux of why compost tea is used to provide nutrients.


Salutations,
Tim

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25579

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My title got cut a little short. (Was)

"Bacteria eater (nutrient transformation)
reproduction time and numbers in ACT"

Perhaps these additional snips will clear it all up for you.

I'm still looking for Your "ionic" nutrients.



Bill




--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_...> wrote:
>
> I do not know what this person is talking about. Anybody know?
>
> Tim
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_> wrote:
> >
> > <snip> Good idea on the protozoa. We do need to think about how to mak=
e the tea brewing process better for them so they will reproduce. But they=
 will only reproduce once, maximum, during a 24 hour tea brew. Have to hav=
e aerobic conditions in order to keep the good guys alive and happy.
> >
> > Sun Jan 18, 2004 Message #7019
> >
> > Elaine Ingham
> > President, Soil Foodweb Inc.
> >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/7019
> >
> > Is this about right or did I somehow take it out of context
> > and it's really not this drastic.
> >
> > .....................................................................
> >
> > <snip> When I brew a compost tea it may have 5,000 to 10,000 bacteria/a=
rchaea and
> > 5 flagellates per field and a hyphae complex every 10 fields at
> > 18 hours or it may take 36 hours.
> > With a microscope it is not a guessing game.
> >
> > Tue Jun 28, 2011 Message #26632
> >
> > Tim Wilson
> >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/26632
> >
> > ....................................................................
> >
> > In the past Dr. Ingham said bacteria was about 20% N.
> > Lately I read where some people were talking calcium.
> >
> > "Composition of bacteria harvested from the liquid and
> > solid fractions of the rumen of sheep
> > as influenced by feed intake"
> >
> > http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FBJN%2FBJN84_03%2FS=
0007114500001653a.pdf&code=8865e47c30a360360e528452fc6608c7
> >
> > A little amino acids music please ;-)
> >
> > ....................................................................
> >
> > <snip> Nutrient storage structures
> >
> > Most bacteria do not live in environments that contain large amounts of=
 nutrients at all times. To accommodate these transient levels of nutrients=
 bacteria contain several different methods of nutrient storage in times of=
 plenty for use in times of want. For example, many bacteria store excess c=
arbon in the form of polyhydroxyalkanoates or glycogen. Some microbes store=
 soluble nutrients such as nitrate in vacuoles. Sulfur is most often stored=
 as elemental (S0) granules which can be deposited either intra- or extrace=
llularly. Sulfur granules are especially common in bacteria that use hydrog=
en sulfide as an electron source. Most of the above mentioned examples can =
be viewed using a microscope and are surrounded by a thin nonunit membrane =
to separate them from
> > the cytoplasm.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterial_cell_structure
> >
> > ..................................................................
> >
> > A person could go on but I won't. Yes it is very interesting
> > but when LeRoy arrives in early spring the bacteria should be able
> > to eat till they burst.
> > If they don't watch themselves they might get
> > a little help bursting.
> >
> > A nice fairly dry Lab Sample of Bacteria getting tested as compost
> > will tell me enough.
> > There are other things to study more important right now.
> >
> > Whether a hollow fiber membrane filter is going to work remains
> > to be seen. The majority of everything else should be pre-filtered
> > out as long as they are new filters.
> > Otherwise many filters will increase in efficiency as they fill up and =
might not give the bacteria the ticket to get past to
> > the final filter pass.
> >
> > It's being able to back-flush the bacteria back out
> > that I'm worried about - not catch it.
> > I'm looking into other ways to catch it.
> > Also concerned with harvesting the bacteria booty
> > without having the time and the forgiveness that soil affords dem.
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
>




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