[compost_tea] Re: Bacteria eater (nutrient transformation) reproduction time and numbers in ACT

From: Tim Wilson <thegoodjob_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:55:31 -0000

Sir,

I'm unsure what your little game is here. It seems like you are butchering =
the English language in an effort to promote some upcoming, to be released =
in the spring brewer. I'm presuming it is your design. 'The LeRoy Machine' =
Advertising is on Sundays.

You keep asking about where the ionic nutrients are. If you are unaware tha=
t protozoa (primarily flagellates and naked amoebae in ACT), bacterial feed=
ing nematodes and rotifers release ionic nutrients immediately following ba=
cterial/archaeal 'consumption' (predation), then I suggest you go back to t=
he drawing board.

One thing I should point out is that my work has confirmed that protozoa ca=
n divide every 2 to 4 hours in ACT. This just confirms statements by Marian=
ne Clarholm et al.

Tim

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_...> wrote:
>
> <snip> Goal of more protozoa?
> Besides some potential for disease control, this is the whole point in br=
ewing compost tea.
>
> Tim
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25390
>
> ...................................................................
>
> Protozoa will cycle nutrients by eating bacteria, which they do in great =
quantities...10 to 12,000 per day.......
>
> Twm,
>
> Jeff l
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25389
>
> ....................................................................
>
> <snip> Usually what occurs in a brew is the first organisms to begin grow=
ing are fungi
> (if in your [vermi]compost) and bacteria/archaea. One can have a well dev=
eloped
> bacteria-fungal brew at 12 to 18 hours. Generally going to 24 hours is a =
safe
> bet if you do not have a scope. At around the 30 to 40 hour period you sh=
ould
> have quite a few flagellates (protozoa) which will be devouring the bacte=
ria and
> quite often the bacteria is devouring the fungi which usually continues g=
rowing.
> For a pretty full compliment of microbes, I recommend using the tea at 36=
 hours.
> If you are desirous of a protozoa dominant brew, then let it go to 48 hou=
rs [or
> observe with a microscope] If you let it go longer, like 72 hours, usuall=
y you
> will end up with a brew dominated by ciliates (protozoa), the effects of =
which,
> I've yet to determine for myself.
>
> This natural progression towards a single organism dominance is one reaso=
n I
> remain skeptical about perpetual brewing.
>
> Salutations,
> Tim
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/26957
>
> ...................................................................
>
> Sure: I believe you may have missed the basic concept of compost tea (CT)=
.
> Bacteria and archaea and protozoa (flagellates & naked amoebae) are extra=
cted
> and multiply in CT. Fungi is also extracted and grows as hyphae.
> Bacteria/archaea and fungi feed on the basic foods placed in the brew (as=
 well as those in the [vermi]compost).
>
>
>
> The protozoa start eating the bacteria/archaea
>
> and multiply rapidly.
>
>
>
> Usually between 24 and 36 hours you have a good ratio of
> these three/four organisms. When applied to the soil, this eating and
> multiplying continues and the protozoa utilize only 30 to 40% of the nutr=
ient
> value they derive from eating the bacteria/archaea and the remaining nutr=
ients
> are released and are directly available to the plants' roots .
>
>
>
> This is the crux of why compost tea is used to provide nutrients.
>
>
> Salutations,
> Tim
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/25579
>
> ..................................................................
>
> My title got cut a little short. (Was)
>
> "Bacteria eater (nutrient transformation)
> reproduction time and numbers in ACT"
>
> Perhaps these additional snips will clear it all up for you.
>
> I'm still looking for Your "ionic" nutrients.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> >
> > I do not know what this person is talking about. Anybody know?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip> Good idea on the protozoa. We do need to think about how to m=
ake the tea brewing process better for them so they will reproduce. But th=
ey will only reproduce once, maximum, during a 24 hour tea brew. Have to h=
ave aerobic conditions in order to keep the good guys alive and happy.
> > >
> > > Sun Jan 18, 2004 Message #7019
> > >
> > > Elaine Ingham
> > > President, Soil Foodweb Inc.
> > >
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/7019
> > >
> > > Is this about right or did I somehow take it out of context
> > > and it's really not this drastic.
> > >
> > > .....................................................................
> > >
> > > <snip> When I brew a compost tea it may have 5,000 to 10,000 bacteria=
/archaea and
> > > 5 flagellates per field and a hyphae complex every 10 fields at
> > > 18 hours or it may take 36 hours.
> > > With a microscope it is not a guessing game.
> > >
> > > Tue Jun 28, 2011 Message #26632
> > >
> > > Tim Wilson
> > >
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/26632
> > >
> > > ....................................................................
> > >
> > > In the past Dr. Ingham said bacteria was about 20% N.
> > > Lately I read where some people were talking calcium.
> > >
> > > "Composition of bacteria harvested from the liquid and
> > > solid fractions of the rumen of sheep
> > > as influenced by feed intake"
> > >
> > > http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FBJN%2FBJN84_03%2=
FS0007114500001653a.pdf&code=8865e47c30a360360e528452fc6608c7
> > >
> > > A little amino acids music please ;-)
> > >
> > > ....................................................................
> > >
> > > <snip> Nutrient storage structures
> > >
> > > Most bacteria do not live in environments that contain large amounts =
of nutrients at all times. To accommodate these transient levels of nutrien=
ts bacteria contain several different methods of nutrient storage in times =
of plenty for use in times of want. For example, many bacteria store excess=
 carbon in the form of polyhydroxyalkanoates or glycogen. Some microbes sto=
re soluble nutrients such as nitrate in vacuoles. Sulfur is most often stor=
ed as elemental (S0) granules which can be deposited either intra- or extra=
cellularly. Sulfur granules are especially common in bacteria that use hydr=
ogen sulfide as an electron source. Most of the above mentioned examples ca=
n be viewed using a microscope and are surrounded by a thin nonunit membran=
e to separate them from
> > > the cytoplasm.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterial_cell_structure
> > >
> > > ..................................................................
> > >
> > > A person could go on but I won't. Yes it is very interesting
> > > but when LeRoy arrives in early spring the bacteria should be able
> > > to eat till they burst.
> > > If they don't watch themselves they might get
> > > a little help bursting.
> > >
> > > A nice fairly dry Lab Sample of Bacteria getting tested as compost
> > > will tell me enough.
> > > There are other things to study more important right now.
> > >
> > > Whether a hollow fiber membrane filter is going to work remains
> > > to be seen. The majority of everything else should be pre-filtered
> > > out as long as they are new filters.
> > > Otherwise many filters will increase in efficiency as they fill up an=
d might not give the bacteria the ticket to get past to
> > > the final filter pass.
> > >
> > > It's being able to back-flush the bacteria back out
> > > that I'm worried about - not catch it.
> > > I'm looking into other ways to catch it.
> > > Also concerned with harvesting the bacteria booty
> > > without having the time and the forgiveness that soil affords dem.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> >
>




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