Re: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer

From: -------- <organic024_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:33:07 -0800

I second that

Malcolm Morrison
Sonoma Biologics
Pacific Landscapes
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Matthew Graeff <phishphan12_at_comcast.net> wrote=
:

> With someone bringing up posts from the 2004 Brew Off as still being rele=
vant like it happened yesterday, and claims from various product makers, is=
 it time to have a 2012 Brew Off? Get today's brewer and product makers to=
gether and have an independent judging panel (good luck) and come to some s=
ort of results for brewer efficiency, microbe counts, etc? There seems to =
be a lot of posturing on this list...Maybe it's time to put up or shut up.
>
>
> Logistics seem to point towards the West Coast (unfortunately). Vegas?
>
> Matt PA
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Tad Hussey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Thanks for joining the conversation. You know that I hold a lot of the =
work and education you've done in the highest esteem. I'd like to see that=
 study, and will have to read more on the subject. Similar to Tim, I strug=
gle with unsupported claims and people who are so quick to dismiss "science=
." I've listed what I see as the merits of Biodynamic Farming in previous =
posts, and have no bone to pick on that subject.
>>
>> In the area where I some some knowledge (ACT), I've heard all sorts of c=
laims ranging from instant compost teas, ACT that can be refrigerated, perp=
etual brews where people can brew continuously (without a microscope), and =
many others. With many of these claims, I'm given some flowery language, b=
ut very little substance in regards to science or direct microscopy.
>>
>> My whole point in posting that original link was not to say that vortex =
brewers are bad, but rather that there are many claims regarding water that=
 are scientifically unproven, and until I see otherwise I think that a conv=
entional brewer and vortex brewer providing the same DO levels and extracti=
on, will provide a very similar microbial profile in ACT.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tad
>>
>> From: steved3602002 <steved_at_ipa.net>
>> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:57 PM
>> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer
>>
>>
>> Tad and all -
>>
>> The retired chemist you refer to is a skeptic
>> of alternative water concepts and treatment
>> technologies.
>>
>> Sceptics websites are a great place to get started
>> on what you should be checking into for holistic
>> health and alternative agriculture.
>>
>> On the other hand, an old rule of thumb when
>> you venture into alternative technologies
>> is the use of discernment.
>>
>> For that reason, I will read skeptics websites
>> with an open mind as a reality check. Do the
>> concepts and technologies have merit, are they
>> marketing bunk, is the topic presented accurate
>> or is it confusd, do the concepts and technologies
>> merit further research and discovery on your
>> own part.
>>
>> Since there are now dozens of journals and
>> books that deal with various aspects of
>> alternative agriculture and holistic and
>> complementary and alternative medicine, there
>> is substantial authoritative information to
>> draw upon when venturing into topics like
>> homeopathy, subtle energy, bio-resonance,
>> vortex water, evaluation methods, etc.
>>
>> One of the first major science books in
>> agriculture to look into biotransmutation
>> and related alternative topics was "Alternative
>> Methods in Agriculture", edited by R. Boeringa,
>> published in 1980 by Elsevier Scientific
>> Publishing Co., essentially the proceedings
>> of a scientific symposium held in the mid-1970s.
>>
>> Vortex water, scalar energy, copper coils,
>> magnetism and other energetic technologies
>> are part of modern day homepathics, alternative
>> agriculture, and holistic medicine for
>> a reason.
>>
>> A few months back I ame across an on-farm compost
>> tea study where SFI lab data showed greater biology
>> in compost teas brewed with scalar energy devices
>> compared to plain water, where all other conditions
>> for compost, ingredients, and brewers were held
>> the same. It was a simple study, but based on
>> the lab results and the microscopic pictures of
>> biology, it showed there is merit to energetically
>> enhanced water and biological response.
>>
>> Steve Diver
>>
>> "Tad" <tadhussey_at_...> wrote:
>> >
>> > For those interested in reading more about the "science" behind vortex=
es.
>> > http://www.chem1.com/CQ/wonkywater.html
>> >
>> > The guy has a bit of a conversational style of writing, but I've found=
 his information to be sound. There are many claims regarding water that do=
n't hold up under scientific scrutiny.
>> >
>>
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