With someone bringing up posts from the 2004 Brew Off as still being
relevant like it happened yesterday, and claims from various product
makers, is it time to have a 2012 Brew Off? Get today's brewer and
product makers together and have an independent judging panel (good
luck) and come to some sort of results for brewer efficiency, microbe
counts, etc? There seems to be a lot of posturing on this
list...Maybe it's time to put up or shut up.
Logistics seem to point towards the West Coast (unfortunately). Vegas?
Matt PA
On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Tad Hussey wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for joining the conversation. You know that I hold a lot of
> the work and education you've done in the highest esteem. I'd like
> to see that study, and will have to read more on the subject.
> Similar to Tim, I struggle with unsupported claims and people who
> are so quick to dismiss "science." I've listed what I see as the
> merits of Biodynamic Farming in previous posts, and have no bone to
> pick on that subject.
>
> In the area where I some some knowledge (ACT), I've heard all sorts
> of claims ranging from instant compost teas, ACT that can be
> refrigerated, perpetual brews where people can brew continuously
> (without a microscope), and many others. With many of these claims,
> I'm given some flowery language, but very little substance in
> regards to science or direct microscopy.
>
> My whole point in posting that original link was not to say that
> vortex brewers are bad, but rather that there are many claims
> regarding water that are scientifically unproven, and until I see
> otherwise I think that a conventional brewer and vortex brewer
> providing the same DO levels and extraction, will provide a very
> similar microbial profile in ACT.
>
> Cheers,
> Tad
>
> From: steved3602002 <steved_at_ipa.net>
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:57 PM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer
>
>
> Tad and all -
>
> The retired chemist you refer to is a skeptic
> of alternative water concepts and treatment
> technologies.
>
> Sceptics websites are a great place to get started
> on what you should be checking into for holistic
> health and alternative agriculture.
>
> On the other hand, an old rule of thumb when
> you venture into alternative technologies
> is the use of discernment.
>
> For that reason, I will read skeptics websites
> with an open mind as a reality check. Do the
> concepts and technologies have merit, are they
> marketing bunk, is the topic presented accurate
> or is it confusd, do the concepts and technologies
> merit further research and discovery on your
> own part.
>
> Since there are now dozens of journals and
> books that deal with various aspects of
> alternative agriculture and holistic and
> complementary and alternative medicine, there
> is substantial authoritative information to
> draw upon when venturing into topics like
> homeopathy, subtle energy, bio-resonance,
> vortex water, evaluation methods, etc.
>
> One of the first major science books in
> agriculture to look into biotransmutation
> and related alternative topics was "Alternative
> Methods in Agriculture", edited by R. Boeringa,
> published in 1980 by Elsevier Scientific
> Publishing Co., essentially the proceedings
> of a scientific symposium held in the mid-1970s.
>
> Vortex water, scalar energy, copper coils,
> magnetism and other energetic technologies
> are part of modern day homepathics, alternative
> agriculture, and holistic medicine for
> a reason.
>
> A few months back I ame across an on-farm compost
> tea study where SFI lab data showed greater biology
> in compost teas brewed with scalar energy devices
> compared to plain water, where all other conditions
> for compost, ingredients, and brewers were held
> the same. It was a simple study, but based on
> the lab results and the microscopic pictures of
> biology, it showed there is merit to energetically
> enhanced water and biological response.
>
> Steve Diver
>
> "Tad" <tadhussey_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > For those interested in reading more about the "science" behind
> vortexes.
> > http://www.chem1.com/CQ/wonkywater.html
> >
> > The guy has a bit of a conversational style of writing, but I've
> found his information to be sound. There are many claims regarding
> water that don't hold up under scientific scrutiny.
> >
>
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