Brew-off!
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Steyn <ssteyn_at_wcaccess.co.za>
To: compost_tea <compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 2:48 am
Subject: RE: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer
Vegas is a good bet. Lots of action on the side too.
From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On B=
ehalf Of Tim Wilson
Sent: 01 February 2012 07:12
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer
Matt
You could be a good judge
Tim
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Ma tthew Graeff <phishphan12_at_...> wrote=
:
>
> With someone bringing up posts from the 2004 Brew Off as still being
> relevant like it happened yesterday, and claims from various product
> makers, is it time to have a 2012 Brew Off? Get today's brewer and
> product makers together and have an independent judging panel (good
> luck) and come to some sort of results for brewer efficiency, microbe
> counts, etc? There seems to be a lot of posturing on this
> list...Maybe it's time to put up or shut up.
>
> Logistics seem to point towards the West Coast (unfortunately). Vegas?
>
> Matt PA
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Tad Hussey wrote:
>
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Thanks for joining the conversation. You know that I hold a lot of
> > the work and education you've done in the highest esteem. I'd like
> > to see that study, and will have to read more on the subject.
> > Similar to Tim, I struggle with unsupported claims and people who
> > are so quick to dismiss "science." I've listed what I see as the
> > merits of Biodynamic Farming in previous posts, and have no bone to
> > pick on that subject.
> >
> > In the area where I some some knowledge (ACT), I've heard all sorts
> > of claims ranging from instant compost teas, ACT that can be
> > refrigerated, perpetual brews where people can brew continuously
> > (without a microscope), and many others. With many of these claims,
> > I'm given some flowery language, but very little substance in
> > regards to science or direct microscopy.
> >
> > My whole point in posting that original link was not to say that
> > vortex brewers are bad, but rather that there are many claims
&g t; > regarding water that are scientifically unproven, and until I see
> > otherwise I think that a conventional brewer and vortex brewer
> > providing the same DO levels and extraction, will provide a very
> > similar microbial profile in ACT.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tad
> >
> > From: steved3602002 <steved_at_...>
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:57 PM
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: vortex tea brewer
> >
> >
> > Tad and all -
> >
> > The retired chemist you refer to is a skeptic
> > of alternative water concepts and treatment
> > technologies.
> >
> > Sceptics websites are a great place to get started
> > on what you should be checking into for holistic
> & gt; health and alternative agriculture.
> >
> > On the other hand, an old rule of thumb when
> > you venture into alternative technologies
> > is the use of discernment.
> >
> > For that reason, I will read skeptics websites
> > with an open mind as a reality check. Do the
> > concepts and technologies have merit, are they
> > marketing bunk, is the topic presented accurate
> > or is it confusd, do the concepts and technologies
> > merit further research and discovery on your
> > own part.
> >
> > Since there are now dozens of journals and
> > books that deal with various aspects of
> > alternative agriculture and holistic and
> > complementary and alternative medicine, there
> > is substantial authoritative information to
> > draw upon when venturing into topics like
> > homeopathy, subtle energy, bio-resonance,
> > vortex water, evaluation methods, etc.
> >
> > One of the first major science books in
> > agriculture to look into biotransmutation
> > and related alternative topics was "Alternative
> > Methods in Agriculture", edited by R. Boeringa,
> > published in 1980 by Elsevier Scientific
> > Publishing Co., essentially the proceedings
> > of a scientific symposium held in the mid-1970s.
> >
> > Vortex water, scalar energy, copper coils,
> > magnetism and other energetic technologies
> > are part of modern day homepathics, alternative
> > agriculture, and holistic medicine for
> > a reason.
> >
> > A few months back I ame across an on-farm compost
> > tea study where SFI lab data showed greater biology
> > in compost teas brewed with scalar energy devices
> > compared to plain water, where all other conditions
> > for compost, ingredients, and brewers were held
> > the same. It was a simple study, but based on
> > the lab results and the microscopic pictures of
> > biology, it showed there is merit to energetically
> > enhanced water and biological response.
> >
> > Steve Diver
> >
> > "Tad" <tadhussey_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > For those interested in reading more about the "science" behind
> > vortexes.
> > > http://www.chem1.com/CQ/wonkywater.html
> > >
> > > The guy has a bit of a conversational style of writing, but I've
> > found his information to be sound. There are many claims regarding
> > water that don't hold up under scientific scrutiny.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Received on Wed Feb 01 2012 - 05:03:04 EST