[compost_tea] Re: constructive look at our list?

From: chriscreid <reidchris_at_earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:30:11 -0000

Reece, whoa, I think maybe there's a misunderstanding here -- please
show me where I said people had to give me their information or be
damned?

What I am trying to say in the post attached to your note is, after
spending hundreds of unpaid hours reading tea posts and trying to
piece together something coherent from reading what people have
said, it's really really hard to do it and no wonder people get
frustrated trying to learn about tea from our list.

I tried to make a point to Ted Peterson about not posting results
without a context. Ted wanted to publish results but not explain
how he got there. I suggested that results without a context is
marketing, and that such posts belong on a Sunday. Sorry to rehash
this, Ted, but I want to make the context clear here. If I
understood Ted's post correctly, I was *interpreted* by Ted as
wanting to gain proprietary info or force him to reveal his
secrets. HyYield went on to suggest that some poeple say they are
doing something to try to help the list, but are really benefiting
from it personally instead (Sorry HiYield for not putting an exact
quote in here -- see HiYield's post to make sure I am not putting
words in HY's mouth).

I'm not interested in that -- I do respect the hard work people have
put into their products and the time and money they have put in. If
I wanted to blow somebody out of the water, I would print the
photographs of Bob's brewer that I sent to Elaine. Why did I not
post them? Because somebody could have used them not to understand
where they need to clean their brewer, but to build his brewer, and
that would not be right.

I am truly sorry to not have your good will, Reece. Many, many
people have taken their time and generously written about what
they're doing and how they're doing it, and they may feel my example
trivialized their effort. So I apologize if this is where you and
others were left.

I'm trying to point out that maybe we need to rethink how we go
about building our supply of information. We can do it better and
all get results faster.

As I see it with 450 people on this list, if each person spent even
a half hour writing a post about their experience, we would have 225
hours of experience contributed. That's over a month of full time
work -- quite significant. We would have 450 examples of how tea
does and doesn't work.

I have to take responsibility for what I wrote and where it left
people. So if you have more doubts, anger, upset, and so on ,
please feel free to contact me on or off list so we can work it
out. That goes for anybody who has been left in upset or distress
by anything I've written.

Thanks for speaking up about how you feel instead of letting it
simmer.

Chris Reid

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "w.reece speas" <wrspeas_at_y...>
wrote:
> You just got done telling evryone they had to give you there infor
or be damed ,how do you expect to be treated , kind of makes me wish
i hadnt wrote what i wrote earlier, sticking up for you ,
anyway ,give it a rest if your gonna brew and sell take what people
are kind enough to offer and let it go ,take care reece
>
> chriscreid <reidchris_at_e...> wrote:In recent weeks as I've been
following up with individuals for best
> practice document on ingredients input, I have received the
> following asides in the posts: "Gave up on the list -- too much
> traffic and not enough information," "too many advertisers," "I
read
> all I can get my hands on about AACT -- this list is a conundrum" .
>
> And I've been thinking a lot about chocolate cake. In fact, this
> morning when I woke up I was laughing out loud about chocolate
> cake. I realized that if I were to try to learn about baking a
> chocolate cake by using a list like compost tea -- well, can you
> imagine a series of exchanges like this:
>


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