[compost_tea] Re: discussion big ag in Kansas

From: dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 06:39:01 -0000

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_y...> wrote:
>
> discussion woven in
>
> dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_y...> wrote:
> The 500 acres would require 50,000 gals. total water per day like
you
> said and me too. That's 83.33 gals. per min. for 10 hours. Out
here. Problem, thats 5000 g per hour. Is the spray coupe going to
load and tote 5000 g at a time? Compaction? Means load at 500 gpm -
big pumps, leaves 50 minutes to travel and spray. If brewer is right
at the field ( must be ) 5 minutes comming and going leaves 40 mnute
to spray 5,000 g = spray rate at 125 gpm. big pump, big nozzels.
Maybe two rigs?
>

<>Maybe two days .Do 83.33 gals. per hour 5 hours daily. I can't get
that much water out of my well. I'll measure it tomorrow.Dennis



 Anyhow it is big business.
> There's lots of farmland w/o irigation. What you going to do to
save
> the midwest from chemicals and drought? Unless we soil drench after
> each major till. wishfully there will be no till. omething less
damaging to the SFW. Less expensive in terms of energy invested.
ACT may do as much as till, cost less, do more good?? Maybe once per
year? Think the tea could destroy
> the weed seeds?????????If applied in the fall. Microbes eat weed
seeds??? great idea. Don't know. wish it is yes
>

Only way for no till is for tea to destroy weed or weed seed. Can't
lay plastic for wheat or row crop. could for watermelon.Dennis






> Spray coupe is a self propelled spray rig. There are others.
John
> deere has some. What capacity do they have?
> To close the stomata (see below)will require the soil drench
> probably yearly don't you think?
> The BOB1500 will fill the bill.

<>>><<<><<<><<><>One time cost of the bob1500(5400 gal tea 10 hour
daily)? Dennis






 Soil drench 500 acres in 10
> hours. what is one time cost? Dennis
>
> One time cost? 700 lbs of compost nutrient blend at about $ 2.00 a
lb $ 1400 per 500 acres in ACT.
>
> Water - You can guess from your area. $500? Bewer cost less than
$ 0.01/ g over some years life time. cost of coupe, $200/ day fuel
$2,000 and driver $ 200 and to keep that rate of ACT going a TEA
tender $ 200
> One time cost is 1400 + 50+200+2,000+ 400= 4.050 = $ 8+ per acre.
Is once a year enough? Don't know. Lots of stuff I don't know about
this business. Learning fast. Ways to go. I think this entier
change is going to become a storm. Everywhere I go the farmers are
ready, eager tog et out of the clutches of the chemical racket.
>
> In Costa Rica 1,000 farm worker a year die of pesticide poisin. How
many more workers and the rest of us are damaged but don't connect
the reason? In C.R. they brew in a pick up on the way to the field
of vanilla trees, fill the back pack sprayer, hand it up to the man
on a saddle. He takes it to the trees and hand pumps it on the
trees. It works wonders they tell me.
>
> Now imagine that job with pesticides that carry deadly chemicals.
The guy will wear, breath and eat the stuff all day long.
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_y...>
wrote:
> > Dennis, we are a few decimals apart. Don't know that I am right
> but -
> >
> > Is 100 gpa of ACT required for soil drench? I though SFI was
> talking 10 gpa. for soil drench, 5 gpa for foliar, I think more
> total fluid. ACT + water as a carrier. then maybe 100 g per
acre.
> Now 100 x 500 = 50000 gallons per day for just 500 acres. A mega
> farm may have 10 to 20 tiems that aceage. 500 a day may not water
it
> fast enough. .
> >
> > Mega farms are putting this down with pivot sprays or other
> irrigaton sysems. Don't know any farmes putting down that much
> water with tank systems.
> >
> > ACT is not easy to supply either at 500 x 10 = 5,000 gpd.
> >
> > Our BobO500 will generate up to 1800 a day, our 1500 would
> generate 5,400. So it would keep up but that involves long
days.
> Your term spray coupes is strange to me. What are they? What I
> see are big wells or big irrigation ditches. It takes lots of water.
> >
> > Talking to a farmer with amazing knowledge talking about the NEED
> for water. Let me repeat what was said: " when plants grow they
> require NPK and many micro nutrients. If they don't get the
microws
> they need they will keep sucking water trying to fill that need.
> Often much more water than they would need if the micros were
> available.
> > Compost tea can supply these micros in the right form and save
tons
> of water.
> >
> > If the micro nutrients are satisfied the plant closes the
stomota,
> conserving water.
> > Big farms have a great effect on the ecology, aquafers and health
> of the population.
> > They use lots of everything including water. If compost tea is
> going to have a significant effect on those items it has gotta be
> used on most mega farms. Brewers need to have giant capaciy for
that
> market. . Bob
> > --- In compost
> > dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_y...>
> wrote:
> > > I ? or for mega farms? Bob
> > >
> > > Hope I didn't trim too much. Bob the mega farms are spraying
500
> > acres daily with spray coupes and similar machines. Have you
done
> > the math?500 gallon times 100 gals. per acre. 50,000 gallons of
> water
> > per day to soil drench. How many gallons is that per minute in a
10
> > hour day/night? Will need a big well, tank and pump among other
> > things. And I hate to put all that on without test results
first.
> > Dennis BTW, I don't have the contract for that acreage yet.
> >
> >
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