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Re: Ecological Economics and Entropy



On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:25:18 EDT, Toby Reiter <str4552@OBERLIN.EDU>
wrote:

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>
>On 12 Dec 1996, David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
>
>> On 12 Dec 1996 19:00:33 GMT, sync@inforamp.net (J McGinnis) wrote:
>> >>In that decade the overall number of nuclear weapons in the world has
>> >>declined by perhaps as much as 40%. All the major powers, including
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>> >>France and China, have ratified and come under the aegis of the
>> >>nuclear test ban treaty.  The Union of South Africa has given up its
>> >>nuclear weapons, and the nuclear weapons programs of Iraq, Egypt and
>> >>North Korea have been halted.
>> 
>> There is your proof.
>
>This is no proof that there is no problem with nuclear weapons.

Who's claiming there is no problem?  You're rebutting a claim that has
never been made by anyone.  Mazeltov!

>                                                                              Remember 
>those laws of thermodynamics, buddy? Matter can be neither created nor 
>destroyed? 

It's a three-way race between you, Jay Hanson, and Alan McGowen for
the most bogus appeal to thermodynamics.  Feh!

>         There are just as many nuclear weapons today as there were 
>before. 

This is false.  You are making this up.  The weapons that have been
taken out of service have been dismanteled, defused, the tritium
allowed to run down, the batteries thrown away.  They are the genuine
ex-parrots of weaponry.   In the American case the plutonium is now
reduced to generic metal form, and is ready to be buried or burned,
and some of it has been burned already.  In the Russian case the
uranium denaturing program is at least in the tens and probably in the
hundreds of tons by now.
 
In other words your sentence above is a pure lie.  Fortunately you
have the twin defences of ignorance and incapacity to prevent anyone
suggesting that this makes you a liar.

>Some of them may just be buried somewhere in a desert next to an 
>Indian reservation or simply not pointing at anyone in particular. As 
>long as anyone continues to belittle the universal problems of nuclear 
>power, whether as weapons or fuel, then this world will not be safe.
 
This is false.  Your Indian reservation is a fine piece of artistic
verisimilitude.  Perhaps you are a liar after all.
 
                                                               -dlj.


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