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Re: The Limits To Growth
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Subject: Re: The Limits To Growth
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From: charliew@hal-pc.org (charliew)
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 23:59:27 GMT
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Article: 15877 of alt.sustainable.agriculture
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In article
<l.mcfadden-1311961000390001@dreamer-dog.pai.utexas.edu>,
l.mcfadden@mail.utexas.edu (Loretta McFadden) wrote:
>Harold wrote:
>> USDA has been studying soil erosion for years, and would
like nothing
>> more than to prove it to be a large problem, and hence
generator of
>> programs for them to administer. Their survey found the
average loss
>> to be 7 tons a year per acre of farmland, while natural
regeneration
>> runs at 5 tons a year/acre. Call it a net loss of 2 tons
per acre.
>> Two tons an acre is 1/65 of an inch. Thus, in 65 years,
the average
>> farmland will lose 1 inch of topsoil. Assuming it has
been farmed the
>> entire 65 years. Some fallow years will make up for this
loss.
>>
>Harold - "natural regeneration?" And how many conventional
farmers add
>anything but petroleum-derived fertilizers, herbicides and
pesticides to
>their soil? Tell me, what do you know about farming and the
pressures
>conventional farmers are under to strip-mine the soil?
"Fallow years?"
>You're sticking your head in that denatured soil and
closing your eyes to
>reality.
>
>You make assertions, present no references, state that even
the press agrees
>> with you (like that's a good reference!), then question
the motive of
>> the character of the previous poster.
>
>You're right - other than name some publications, I
couldn't be specific
>about studies, stats, numbers - so I'll butt out and leave
you to be
>refuted by the people who've got the information at their
fingertips. Of
>which there are many, I see. My point about the mainstream
press is that
>they're generally unimaginative, unquestioning and not
interested in any
>new information unless they're cudgeled over the head with
it - like alot
>of people who prefer not to face the damage we've done to
our world.
>
>Betsy
Oooo! An assertive female! Go for it, Betsy. BTW, if you
want to lock horns with Harold, you better have your facts
straight before you begin.
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