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Re: The Limits To Growth
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Subject: Re: The Limits To Growth
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From: charliew@hal-pc.org (charliew)
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 96 00:24:57 GMT
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Article: 16991 of alt.sustainable.agriculture
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In article <587ohm$lt6@news.inforamp.net>,
dlj@inforamp.net (David Lloyd-Jones) wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:16:18 -0800, "D. Braun"
><dbraun@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>>> I have looked at it in the past, though probably not at everything.
>>> As I have said before, I consider Hanson and many of the people he
>>> quotes to be crackpots.
>>
>>Hmm. The illustrious, logical John McCarthy name-calling?
>>Can we call him a crackpot too for suggesting such remotely possible
>>things as an earth with 10s of billions of people living in a western
>>lifestyle, or melting all the ice in antarctica in the name of progress a
>>crackpot too? If I remember rightly, doing so in the past would merit a
>>lifetime snub. Do we have to take Mccarthy seriously any more?
>
>I don't know whether McCarthy has ever suggested that melting the
>Antarctic ice-cap would be a good idea. Certainly would be expensive
>putting dikes and berms all around Bangladesh, southern New York
>state, and other places close to sea level.
>
>As a logical proposition, however, the possibility that McCarthy may
>have said something silly in the past does not in any way encroach on
>the question of whether Hanson is a crackpot.
>
>My own feeling is more like this: I think Jay made a good living as a
>freelance writer for some years out of running a schtick. A few
>facts, some of them from avant garde but respectable sources, plus a
>lot of panic, retailed with his good command of grammar and typing,
>and passable control of paragraphs, added up to a saleable product.
>
>Now a reaction has set in: many people have looked at what went on
>under the aegis of "environmentalism" over the last thirty years, and
>found much of it lacking. There was a certain haste on the part of
>the US Congress to Be Good, and there was a great deal of absolutism
>among the self-proclaimed leaders of environmentalism, and much of
>this became visible.
>
>Hanson, however, has not yet seen the curve in the road. He's still
>trying to sell the same old product, and he gets hysterical when
>criticised by well informed and judicious environmentalists (like
>myself, among others).
>
>Perhaps in a few months we shall see a new Jay Hanson, one attuned to
>the new realities of the market out there. He has to make a living
>after all. At that point we shall have an eloquent journalistic voice
>for cost benefit analysis, freer and more rational markets, payment
>for takings, and so on.
>
>He won't necessarily understand it all, but he'll run it off by the
>ream as long as it pays.
>
>
>-dlj.
Your comments must surely seem like a "stake through the heart" for Mr.
Hanson. You are strongly implying that he is more motivated by the profit
motive than by any environmentalist ideas. Oh, well. Apparently, even
environmentalists have to eat. Too bad they don't realize that many
others, in whatever chosen profession, also have to do the same.
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