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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 17 19:50:48 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09058 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA17538; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:44:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id FAA16009 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:56:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from ip203-37.cc.interlog.com (ip203-37.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.37]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.7.6) with SMTP id GAA03007 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:55:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <32DFA25D.5F25@interlog.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:01:33 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: paul newby To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSAs on internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 I'm discussing an internet strategy for a local CSA. The farm distributes food orders weekly during the growing season and of course the list of available items changes every week. I'm curious if there are any other CSAs which have experience with on-line shopping software or email product list distribution. Thanks for any input, Paul Newby ggh@interlog.com http://www.interlog.com/~ggh/ggh.htm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 30 09:58:57 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22366 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA18145; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:52:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA15390 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:47:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/rory) with ESMTP id HAA25227 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:45:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.71.127.214] (portm-1-214.intrepid.net [204.71.127.214]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10056; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:03:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:03:33 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Biodynamics Mailing List To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: BIODYNAMICS Needs Your Help!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: igg@intrepid.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 Thanks for reading this message! :-) For a forth coming issue of BIODYNAMICS (the magazine of the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of America), I need samples of your intern/apprentice recruitment brochures/flyers/ads. If you are willing to share (and why not? It should turn into good free advertising? :-) Emailed, URL'd, or hardcopy appreciated. (NO PHONE CALLS, PLEASE!!) As you are probably aware, if you are involved in a CSA using sutainable organic practices, BIODYNAMICS is interested in running your 'help wanted' ads for free, both in BIODYNAMICS magazine and on the WWW site. Another request: I'm looking for comments/opinions or YOUR REVIEW of the recent CSA conference at Kimberton. (I need these shortly!!!) If there is any way I can help you, please let me know. Yours, Allan Balliett moderator, bd-l managing editor, BIODYNAMICS: Farming for the 21st Century ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* To Post to the Bio-Dynamics Mailing list: bd-l@biodynamics.com To Subscribe: bd-l@biodynamics.com SUBJECT=SUBSCRIBE BD-L To Cancel Your Subscription: bd-l@biodynamics.com SUBJECT=UNSUBSCRIBE BD-L ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Subscribe to BIODYNAMICS: Farming for the 21st Century the Bi-Monthly Magazine about Developments in the Art and Science of Biodynamics and the Bi-Monthly magazine of the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of America. Alan York, editor. 6 issues a year for $35 includes membership in the BD Association -AND- 10% Discount off from books from the BDFGAA Resource Catalog* 10% Discount off on Biodynamic Compost Starter (Pfeiffer Foundation) 10% Discount off from Ferarri Tractor purchases* 10% Discount off from SEEDS of CHANGE purchases* 10% Discount off from Woods End Soil Testing* Other Discounts are in the works!!! *restrictions may apply!! Subscribe through: The Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of America POB 550, Kimberton, PA 19442 USA 1-800-516-7797 VISA/AMEX/MasterCard accepted (International Subscriptions are higher. Contact the BDFGAA for a quote). mail submissions to BIODYNAMICS to: BIODYNAMICS POB 3047, Shepherdstown WV 25443 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Opinions expressed in mail through this list, whether by the moderator or by list members, are simply the opinions of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the BDFGA. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Check out the Biodynamic Association of America's WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator ============================ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 30 11:42:31 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21053 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA05219; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:35:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03332 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:30:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA11865; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970129110357_1625730992@emout15.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Fwd: How far is local? X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 Hi CSA-l Folks, Willie posted this on Sanet, but it seems a good question here, too. Obviously, this is a "devil's advocate" type of question, but one worth considering. Please post your replies to both lists. Thanks, Marcie --------------------- Forwarded message: From: WLockeretz@infonet.tufts.edu To: SANET-MG@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Date: 97-01-28 12:06:18 EST In discussions of the relative merits of local vs. long-distance food supply (here and elsewhere), the term "local" is usually left somewhat vague. How far is "local"? To take a particular case, from the CSAs that any of you are familiar with, from how far do members actually come to pick up their weekly share? And up to how far should the CSA draw its members from while still being considered a local food system? William Lockeretz Tufts University From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 31 14:01:04 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06082 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA12360; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:58:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from pv0b02.vincent.iastate.edu (pv0b02.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.11.2]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA12171 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:57:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by pv0b02.vincent.iastate.edu with sendmail-5.65 id ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:59:40 -0600 Message-Id: <9701311859.AA07155@pv0b02.vincent.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:59:34 CST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: jrhall@iastate.edu To: MBainum@aol.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA organizational form In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) <970131100900_275314094@emout03.mail.aol.com> X-Sender: jrhall@iastate.edu X-Mailer: EasyVincent 3.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 Our CSA in Ames, IA is going to be looking at these issues too over this year. I have a couple thoughts: 1) Call Dan Nagengast of the Rolling Prairie Farmers Alliance (800-307-8949) in Lawrence KS--they're not a CSA, but they've been functioning as a producer coop for 4+ years, and might be formalizing that arrangement. 2) I could send you (if I can find it, I should be able to) a copy of a paper that Amanda from the Wisc. Center for Coops sent me about why coops should be uniting producers/workers and consumers, not either/or as they all are now. I think it makes a lot of sense, and CSA would be a logical place to pioneer it. I'd like to keep in touch with you--this year, our multiple producer CSA is functionally dividing into an educational/member focused group and a producer group, with coordinators of each meeting regularly. We may continue that way, and form a producer coop, or decide to go back and make it one organization again, with cooperative projects with nonprofits (churches, human service agencies, educational institutions...) we're beginning to work with this year. Its going to be very interesting, and I'm glad others are hoping to break new ground too! Please send me your paper address and I'll send you that article. We're also talking about paying for labor from the CSA so our largest producer doesn't have the paperwork headache--does anyone do that? Hopefully it will be through an apprentice arrangement through our increasing connections with Iowa State Univ. --I have no idea what this will do tax-wise... You might also write Neil Hamilton at the Drake Agricultural Law Center, he's beginning to work on a legal handbook for farm marketing (27th & Carpenter, DSM, IA 50311)--this is probably outside what he's conceived of, but maybe not. Thanks, and good luck! Jeff > I am an attorney and a member of Vanguarden CSA in Dover, MA. As part of a > larger project to find and acquire land, I am looking at organizational > issues for the CSA. Currently, the CSA is operated as an informal > partnership between 3 farmers. In thinking about incorporation or creating > an agricultural cooperative, I was curious whether any other CSAs ought there > have wrestled with these issues and, if so, what was the result? I am > particularly interested to learn whether any CSAs are operating as non-profit > corporations or coops. Even if you haven't dealt with this as part of your > CSA but have some ideas, strategies or contacts, I'd appreciate hearing from > you. Thanks! Michael Bainum --- Jeff Hall jrhall@iastate.edu "To create community we need to love each other, trust each other and help each other; that is hard." --Wendell Berry From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 31 10:32:59 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA09034; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:07:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA08801 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:06:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10197 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970131100900_275314094@emout03.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MBainum@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA organizational form X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 I am an attorney and a member of Vanguarden CSA in Dover, MA. As part of a larger project to find and acquire land, I am looking at organizational issues for the CSA. Currently, the CSA is operated as an informal partnership between 3 farmers. In thinking about incorporation or creating an agricultural cooperative, I was curious whether any other CSAs ought there have wrestled with these issues and, if so, what was the result? I am particularly interested to learn whether any CSAs are operating as non-profit corporations or coops. Even if you haven't dealt with this as part of your CSA but have some ideas, strategies or contacts, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks! Michael Bainum From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 30 11:42:31 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21053 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA05219; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:35:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03332 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:30:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA11865; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970129110357_1625730992@emout15.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Fwd: How far is local? X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 Hi CSA-l Folks, Willie posted this on Sanet, but it seems a good question here, too. Obviously, this is a "devil's advocate" type of question, but one worth considering. Please post your replies to both lists. Thanks, Marcie --------------------- Forwarded message: From: WLockeretz@infonet.tufts.edu To: SANET-MG@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Date: 97-01-28 12:06:18 EST In discussions of the relative merits of local vs. long-distance food supply (here and elsewhere), the term "local" is usually left somewhat vague. How far is "local"? To take a particular case, from the CSAs that any of you are familiar with, from how far do members actually come to pick up their weekly share? And up to how far should the CSA draw its members from while still being considered a local food system? William Lockeretz Tufts University From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 1 10:54:57 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14421 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 10:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA06738; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 09:52:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA06649 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 09:51:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA15648; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 10:53:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970201105349_540212669@emout11.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 10:53:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: bd-l@biodynamics.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: BIODYNAMICS Needs Your Help!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Allen, Thanks for the opportunity. While we are an organic but not biodynamic farm, we have mentored biodynamic farmers and learned from them. I hope this is appropriate for your "Apprentices Wanted" forum. CSA-l folks, Please post this opportunity as appropriate for your organizations. Thanks, Marcie at Full Circle Organic Farm Wanted: Working Apprentice/Partner(s) for the 1997 season More than your typical apprentice-as-slave position. If you're serious about having your own small-scale organic produce operation integrated into your community, consider spending a season with Full Circle Organic Farm. We share budget, planning and marketing strategies, and offer a legitimate chance for contribution. We explain why we do what we do, but are willing to incorporate different strategies in both production and marketing. Located in the Sierra foothills about 45 miles NE of Sacramento, CA., Full Circle Organic Farm is a micro-farm growing vegetables, herbs, strawberries, and flowers using biointensive, organic practices in a whole farm ecosystem approach. The home parcel is 5 acre about half of which is in production. Our tillage is by European spader on semi-permanent beds, we drip irrigate, and average two crops per bed per season. Using our two 20'x50' greenhouses, we produce all our transplants on-farm and sell excess plants. Computers play a major role in our planning and tracking functions. We helped start the local farmer's market association and have a 50 share capacity CSA. Community-building gets more than just lip-service around here. We contribute produce to the local food bank and women's shelter. In the last 18 months, Marcie has contributed to three books for small farms and written one about using computers in planning and tracking information on small farms. She teaches classes for farmers and gardeners. This year we want to help develop a web-site and bulletin board for local farmers. While all this planning and marketing is going on, we still have soil to amend, crops to plant, weeds to hoe, plants to stake and tie, veggies to harvest, share bags to pack, and markets to attend. Our biggest challenge is having enough hands to get the work done with limited capital. Like most small-scale farmers, our lives are full and our profits marginal. If you've already been an apprentice but didn't experience planning and decision-making as part of a team, this may be the opportunity for you. If you've worked on a farm but never got to really learn the farming system, this may be the experience you're looking for. Folks who work here after apprenticing elsewhere, say a season with us has made a real difference in their knowledge and confidence levels. To apply, write us. We'd like to know a bit about you, your experience, dreams and expectations -- what you'd like to contribute, what you want to learn, what you need to be comfortable, and your availability. Our harvesting starts in April and goes through Thanksgiving. Planting starts now and continues through November. Full Circle Organic Farm Marcie A. Rosenzweig and Lee Hendrickson 3377 Early Times Lane Auburn, Ca 95603 (916)885-9201 e-mail, MarcieRose@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 3 01:58:27 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00787 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 01:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA11363; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 00:55:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jbarclay@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) id AAA11325; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 00:55:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 00:55:23 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: CSA Networking List Subject: Query from author about CSAs in Washington. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 I got the following query on CSAs in Washington and am forwarding it to the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 352-4025 jbarclay@firefly.prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/homepage.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 15:07:05 PST From: Paula Younkin To: jbarclay@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Dear Mr.Barclay, I am writing an article about people's options for organic gardening for a Seattle paper. I need some current information about organic CSAs. I know about Sauk Mountain Farm in Skagit Valley. Do you know of others in western Washington? I realize there may be a charge for information, which I will willingly pay. However, I have February 10 deadline and need information sooner than a check can be delivered to you by mail. Any information about CSAs--how they began, rules and benefits, where they're found--will be appreciated. Thank you and best regards, Paula Younkin From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 7 13:14:15 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13625 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA10067; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:10:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from amelia.brynmawr.edu (amelia.brynmawr.edu [165.106.1.6]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA07763 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:07:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from [165.106.23.65] (geolab6.brynmawr.edu [165.106.23.65]) by amelia.brynmawr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03132 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:07:51 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:12:46 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: bshapley@brynmawr.edu (Becca Laughing Shapley) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Biography and question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bshapley@ada.brynmawr.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 Hello, CSA listers.. My name is Becca Laughing. I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Campus just outside of Philadelphia. I found out about CSA's first in Spain, and have been in search of them ever since, and am pleased to have found this list. I have a question - I'm working with the Bryn Mawr College Dining Services to have a significant proportion of their purchasing be organic, probably starting out with grains and vegetables. They need a supply that is consistent, that is inspected or whatever would be required to ensure food safety, and delivered to three locations on the campus regularly, perhaps weekly. They feed approx. 1200 people, and are interested in increasing the quality of the food provided by having it be fresh and organic. I'd like to see them supporting as local a farm as possible. This could be a really neat opportunity for a CSA who'd like to expand or have a large, regular customer to support their local market activities. Is there anyone who's around Philly and potentially interested in working with the college to this end, or has any suggestions for organizations or farms which would be? Happy CSA'ing to everyone.. Becca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 17 05:09:01 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23488 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id EAA08065; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 04:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from gn.apc.org (gn.apc.org [194.202.158.2]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA06550 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 04:06:55 -0600 (CST) Received: by gn.apc.org (8.8.5/Revision: 1.33 03 December 1996) id KAA21772; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:06:09 GMT Message-Id: <199702171006.KAA21772@gn.apc.org> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:06:09 GMT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Maddy Harland To: bshapley@brynmawr.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Biography and question X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 Please please please delete me from this list. I have been trying all avenues for months and I know am publically on bended knee. Hear my prayer and release me! Maddy Harland, Permaculture Magazine From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Feb 19 17:09:13 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24821 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA01368; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:04:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from user.host.net (root@user.host.net [207.182.222.10]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA21295 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:05:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from gtmoxie.ix.netcom.com (lax-ca19-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.253.38]) by user.host.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11439 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:05:58 -0500 Message-Id: <330B794D.3567@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:06:05 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steve Black To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 would appreciate greatly some one sending me whatever mailing lists that are available. Thanks much Steve From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Feb 19 21:42:14 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27551 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA28543; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:39:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA02921 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:40:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from dcn33.dcn.davis.ca.us (dcn33.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.33]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA26989; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:40:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970219184533.2eff2022@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:40:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eatwell Farm To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: David Greene Subject: Looking for CSA in DC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organic@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 Does anyone offer a CSA in Washington DC? If so please can they contact a couple of our customers who are, unfortunately for us, moving there. David and Wendy Greene Regards...Nigel Walker Just another podunk farm.....http://www.eatwell.com Frances & Nigel Walker.... (916) 756-7358 Eatwell Farm, 9420 Stevenson Br Rd, Winters CA95694 *************************************************************** ORGANICALLY GROWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA FOODS ACT OF 1990 *************************************************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 21 09:18:45 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16911 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA15264; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:15:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA15149 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:15:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA09879; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:17:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970221091705_-1742360053@emout10.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:17:06 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Organic/sustainable agriculture-videos X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 Hi folks, Got to thinking that this list might be useful here, too. Marcie --------------------- Forwarded message: From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: Alenson.Chris.CJ@bhp.com.au, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Date: 97-02-20 15:45:43 EST Hi folks, Hope this helps, thanks to the AcresUSA folks who really did all the work, they have a great catalog of Sust ag books Marcie Video list from Eco-Ag West put on by AcresUSA >From AcresUSA PO Box 8800 Metairie, LA 70011 800-355-5313 info@acresusa.com The Other Side of The Fence Preserved classic film of Dr Wm Albrecht father or mineral balance in soils 26 minutes Biological Control: learning to Live with the Natural Order Geared toward high school students 25 minutes, USDA/APHIS >From Bullfrog Films PO Box 149 Oley, PA 19547 800-543-3764 610-779-8226 504-889-2777fax Bullfrog@igc.apc.org Garden Song Potrait of Alan Chadwick 28 min Permaculture with Bill Mollison-Arid Lands 30 minutes Permaculture with Bill Mollison-in the Tropics 30 minues Permaculture with Bill Mollison- Cool Climates 30 minutes >From San Luis Video Productions PO Box 6715 Los Osos, CA 93412 805-528-8322 805-528-7227 fax Farmscaping: Advanced Tactics for Achieving Sustainability 33 minutes Integrated Pest Managemant in Agriculture 30 minutes Integrated Compost systems 32 minutes The Miracle of Agriculture: Growing a Sustainable Future A multicultural look at food and fiber around the world 45 minutes Sustainable Agriculture 30 minutes In their Strategies for Sustainable Agriculture series All run 30 minutes Field Crops High-Value Marketing IPM for Vegetables & Small Fruits IPM for Apples Rotational Grazing Vegetables >From University of Vermont Center for Sustainable Ag 802-656-0037 802-656-8874 fax Vegetable Farmers and Their Weed Control Machines 75 minutes >From VCS, Inc. PO Box 319 Wimberley TX 78676 800-840-8852 This Good Earth re; soil fertility 35 minutes >From Polyface, Inc Rte 1 Box 281 Swoope, VA 24479 540-885-3590 Pastured Poultry Profits Joel Salatin narrates about his own operation 45 minutes From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 3 16:58:22 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09702 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA10255; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:51:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from amelia.brynmawr.edu (amelia.brynmawr.edu [165.106.1.6]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01572 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:51:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from [165.106.23.65] (geolab6.brynmawr.edu [165.106.23.65]) by amelia.brynmawr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03677 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:49:44 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:55:08 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: bshapley@brynmawr.edu (Becca Laughing Shapley) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Speaker for Earth Day or organic foods forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bshapley@ada.brynmawr.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 Hey - I'm writing on behalf of the Bryn Mawr College Greens - we're looking for a speaker to bring to campus to celebrate Earth Day, and/or to participate in a forum being organized on organic foods and out dining halls, etc. Are there any people out there interested, willing, or who know someone who would be perfect? Someone local to the PA/Philly area might be best,but good ideas are appreciated, too! Becca bshapley@brynmawr.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 3 17:39:17 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19047 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA11971; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:32:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA11509 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:32:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from Central.Sun.COM ([129.152.1.7]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id OAA12722; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:31:55 -0800 Received: from rmtc.Central.Sun.COM by Central.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id QAA03382; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:33:27 -0600 Received: from robbie.Central.Sun.COM by rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01453; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:33:28 -0700 Received: by robbie.Central.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA16898; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:29:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199703032229.PAA16898@robbie.Central.Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:29:43 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: robert.gordon@Central.Sun.COM (Rob Gordon) To: csa-l@prairienet.org, bshapley@brynmawr.edu Subject: Re: Speaker for Earth Day or organic foods forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: z9xKLyIY3O5HJOvOPmudNg== X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 3 14:58 MST 1997 > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:55:08 -0500 > From: bshapley@brynmawr.edu (Becca Laughing Shapley) > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Speaker for Earth Day or organic foods forum > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-Sender: bshapley@ada.brynmawr.edu > X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN > > Hey - I'm writing on behalf of the Bryn Mawr College Greens - we're looking > for a speaker to bring to campus to celebrate Earth Day, and/or to > participate in a forum being organized on organic foods and out dining > halls, etc. > > Are there any people out there interested, willing, or who know someone who > would be perfect? Someone local to the PA/Philly area might be best,but > good ideas are appreciated, too! > > Becca > bshapley@brynmawr.edu Forgive me if this is mentioning the obvious but isn't there a well-developed urban gardening scene in Philly. Someone from that org. may be a good speaker, bringing together ideas of healthy food, local food and food security. Just a thought. rob > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Mar 8 18:31:31 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09707 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26745; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:27:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from email.uc.edu (mail.fd1.uc.edu [129.137.244.3]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26438 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:23:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from 129.137.178.190 (ucxy12-11.slip.uc.edu [129.137.178.190]) by email.uc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA28486 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3321B009.20E3@email.uc.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 18:29:32 +0000 Reply-To: flegeas@email.uc.edu Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "A. Flege" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Rock Dust MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 Can anoyone out there provide information on the use of rock dust (trade name Biovin?) or similar substances. Looking for references on the use of rock dust for afforestation and mined land reclamation. Allison Flege From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Mar 9 06:38:43 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07177 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 06:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA02350; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:34:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from bort.mv.net (root@bort.mv.net [192.80.84.6]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02317 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:34:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from 199.125.78.115 (wisdomk.mv.com [199.125.78.115]) by bort.mv.net (8.8.3/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA09280 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 06:38:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3322A520.790B@wisdomk.mv.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 06:55:12 -0500 Reply-To: Steven@wisdomk.mv.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steven@wisdomk.mv.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Rock Dust MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 Contact Joanna Campe, publisher of the Soil Remineralization newsletter, and she can likely tell you about Biovin - just one of many variants Soil Remineralization Newsletter 152 South St. Northampton, MA 01060 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 10 19:05:59 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19783 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14386; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:01:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13772 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:57:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from [205.217.32.163] (8100.frogojt.com [205.217.32.163]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23433 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:00:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703110000.QAA23433@mom.hooked.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 16:01:20 -0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MESA To: "Members" Subject: Extension service for Cuban farmers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 Greetings Ag-Exp members: MESA, a non-profit international sust. agricultural training program, requests your ideas, suggestions and leads for two Cuban applicants whom we hope to sponsor for 6 -12 months of on-site live/work U.S. sustainable agricultural training. This unprecedented program is a first time collaboration between MESA, Food First and the Cuban Organic Farmers Assn. The program is designed to train Cuban agriculturists in basic and advanced organic ag. practices to further the advancement of sustainable farming in Cuba. Specifically, we are hoping to find these two ag. reseachers placements with Extension service personnel or higher level organic production/research. Brief Biographical info: 1) Miguel Socorro is 50 years old and is currently Dept. Head of the Rice Research Institute. He carries out rice culture experiments. He has a family farming background and seeks any position that with further his knowledge in organic and/or sustainable rice production and technology. 2) Tania Mulkay is 27 years old and an agronomist/engineer at the Citrus Research Institute in Havana. She has training in disease control and IPM. She seeks any position that will further her knowledge of organic and/or sustainable Citrus production. Both applicants have undergone extensive screening to receive approval to join MESA's program. U.S. hosts must be able to provide housing, varied training duties up to 48 hours/week, and send monthly program fees to MESA. The fees enable MESA to provide exceptional trainee benefits, including: stipends, health insurance, legal documentation, orientation, educational seminar, domestic travel and coordinator support. We have worked with an extesnion agent at WSU who hosted a Russian intern last year and it was a great experience for all involved. Please contact us ASAP if you can help! Thank you---- Lauren E. Augusta, Executive Director Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA) 5337 College Ave., Ste. 508, Oakland, CA 94618 Tel. 510-654-8858/ Fax. 510-845-0861 http://www.wenet.net/~mesa/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Mar 12 08:47:20 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03458 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18381; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:43:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA20877 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:44:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA17626; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:45:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <970312084503_885824600@emout16.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:45:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: BRateaver@aol.com To: Steven@wisdomk.mv.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Rock Dust X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 There are many rock dusts. Rock phosphate is one, and its colloidal form called Lonfosco. Granite dust is available on the east coast mostly. etc But the mineral dust most people think of is the glacier-derived dust, which has varied kinds of rock dust in it, since the eroded and washed down and frozen-in-place rocks came from a variety of places long ago. This is the kind Campe is talking about. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Mar 16 15:02:19 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25070 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23133; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:58:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mickey.BrandonU.CA (mickey.BrandonU.CA [142.13.16.201]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22995 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:57:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from KAKTINS.BrandonU.CA (pc00615.pcs.brandonu.ca) by BrandonU.CA (PMDF V5.0-4 #10589) id <01IGKMQ05CBK90S84D@BrandonU.CA> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 14:00:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970316140055.2f6fd598@BrandonU.CA> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 14:00:57 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Kaktins To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: HELP!!CSA-PRODUCERS/CONSUMERS SURVEY-THESIS MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: KAKTINS@mail.BrandonU.CA X-Envelope-to: csa-l@prairienet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 My Masters Thesis will attempt TO DETERMINE (from a grassroots perspective) THE ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND POLITICAL BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION IN CSAs BY CONSUMERS AND PRODUCERS. One aspect of research is an INTERNET SURVEY of Consumers and Producers of CSAs. To date, the primary focus of sustainable agriculture (SA) has been on farm-level production and organic food marketing. This obscures the reality that SA is THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL PARTICIPANTS in our food system. Community projects are needed to give expression to traditional SA concerns for rural community development, social responsibility, and improved quality of life. COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE (CSA) is a concrete way to address these concerns. The reality, however, is that despite the consumer's expressed concern about the environment and a preference for local produce, factors such as price and convenience outweigh environmental and sustainability issues. WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN SURVEY: ANYONE who has been a PAST or is a CURRENT CSA PRODUCER or CSA CONSUMER. WHY YOU? Your participation and input will be very valuable in pulling together a HANDS-ON, GRASSROOTS perspective to the barriers to participation in CSAs faced by both producers and consumers. This survey will add to the growing body of CSA related academic research taking place across Canada and the United States. WHO AM I? I am, Sylvia-Linda Kaktins, a graduate student at the School for Resource and Environmental Studies at Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada. Should you require verification of the legitimacy of my research, you may contact my supervisor, Dr. R. Martin (rmartin@cos.nsac.ns.ca); or my advisors, Dr. K. Beesley (kbeesley@cox.nsac.ns.ca) or Dr. K.Scott Wood (kswood@is.dal.ca). HOW TO PARTICIPATE: There are two ways: 1) The QUICKEST and EASIEST way is TO PROCEED TO MY HOME PAGE (http://www.brandonu.ca/~sylvia/home.htm) and take THE SURVEY. This will take 15 MINUTES of your time (plus or minus depending on the Internet traffic) and will add significantly to the academic research currently taking place. As well, you will earn my undying gratitude (HELP!!). 2) If you are unable to access the Internet, YOU MAY STILL PARTICIPATE, in the following manner: A) UPON REQUEST, I can provide you with an EMAIL, shortened version, of the survey. To participate, send me an EMAIL request and let me know if you need the PRODUCER or CONSUMER edition. B) I can forward a hard copy for you to complete and return. Again, provide me with your mailing address and whether you need a PRODUCER or CONSUMER survey. PLEASE FEEL FREE!!!!!! to forward this information/request to any other PAST or CURRENT CSA producers and consumers. PRODUCERS, please CIRCULATE this request among your members. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND TAKING THE TIME TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY AS WELL AS SENDING THIS REQUEST ON TO OTHERS. Any questions, please contact me. A summary of the results of this survey, will be made available upon request for those who participated in the survey. Sylvia-Linda Kaktins kaktins@brandonu.ca 1-204-571-0586 (Home) 1-204-727-9772 Address: Dept of Geography Brandon University Brandon, Manitoba R7A 6A9 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 17 21:07:21 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18696 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04118; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:03:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from president.oit.unc.edu (president.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.97]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19867 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:04:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by president.oit.unc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04179; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:04:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:04:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: dagnello@ramapo.edu Subject: Community Supported Agriculture Research (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: london@president X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: Debra Agnello Subject: Community Supported Agriculture Research My name is Debra Argentina. I am a senior studying Environmental Education at Ramapo College of NJ. For the past five years, I have been coordinating activities at the Alternate Energy Center here on campus. The center consists of a solar schoolhouse, a greenhouse, an organic garden, composting area and hen house. The focus of the center is on environmental education for campus students and younger students from off-campus. I am conducting research for a senior project on Community Supported Agriculture. Any information you can send to me on the subject would be greatly appreciated. If you run a CSA, could you possibly e-mail information on the size, location, years in operation, amount of subscribers, success, personal philosophy on farming and anything else you feel is relevant. If you have information that would be easier to send by regular mail, my address is: Debra Argentina 343 Van Winkle Ave. Hawthorne, NJ 07506 or dagnello@ramapo.edu I will quickly reimburse you for the postage paid by mail. Ramapo College is holding its Third Annual Mid-Atlantic Environmental Conference on Sustainable Communities "What Works?", on April 18-20. Some of our guest speakers will be Jerry Brown, former governor of CA, presenting the Agenda for a New Millenium; David Korten, author of When Corporations Rule the World; Don Edwards, Center for Justice and Sustainability; David Orr, author of Earth in Mind; Bob Swann and Susan Witt, E.F. Schumacher Society and many more. If anyone is interested in attending, please call the Environmental Institute office at Ramapo College of NJ,201-529-7742 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Mar 23 23:12:26 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09770 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04251; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:08:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from amelia.brynmawr.edu (amelia.brynmawr.edu [165.106.1.6]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03224 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:05:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from [165.106.23.62] (geolab3.brynmawr.edu [165.106.23.62]) by amelia.brynmawr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA16365 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:06:01 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:11:52 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: bshapley@brynmawr.edu (Becca Laughing Shapley) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Looking for a CSA in Montgomery County, PA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bshapley@ada.brynmawr.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 Hello! I'm one of a group house community of 12, located in Bryn Mawr, Montgomery County (outside of Philadelphia, on the Main Line) PA. We're looking for a CSA to purchase food from, and so forth.. Does anyone know of a CSA nearby? Thanks, Becca bshapley@brynmawr.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Mar 24 14:04:28 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15027 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27870; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:00:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from ins1.netins.net (ins1.netins.net [167.142.225.1]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05957 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from ssalter.netins.net (desm-09-43.dialup.netins.net [167.142.14.108]) by ins1.netins.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA31190 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:00:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703241900.NAA31190@ins1.netins.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:54:18 -0600 Reply-To: Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Susan Salterberg" To: Subject: Fw: Request for information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 ---------- > > I have seen your information on the Internet, and find it to be very > helpful. Thank you. > > My colleagues and I at the University of Northern Iowa are writing a > curriculum about sustainable CONSUMPTION. We've narrowed our topic so that > it focuses on food/health and wellness issues, and, naturally, CSA is one > concept we'd like to educate people about. > > Are you familiar with other curricula in this area? I have contacted the > Center for Sustainable Ag at U of VT for their curriculum, but any other > particularly good resources that you know of would be appreciated. > > I am also going to contact several of the other sites listed in your www > information, but I did want to touch base with you to see if you have other > ideas/people we should contact. > > Thank you for any help you can provide. > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Mar 26 14:37:47 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08158 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05383; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:33:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14462 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:34:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from dcn41.dcn.davis.ca.us (dcn41.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.41]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA03222; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:35:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970326114001.2ca7215e@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:35:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eatwell Farm To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: agiles@slip.net Subject: CNN Primenews Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organic@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Dear Fellow CSA's, Our farm along with the California Alliance with Family Farmers ( http://www.caff.org ) will be featured on 'Leading technology' a programme on CNN Primenews Monday 31st March at 0600 EST 0300 PST 1400 GMT. The story will also be shown on headline news sometime next week. The story is about our web sites and how we use ours to run our CSA. We have been filmed at the Ferry Plaza Farmers Market ( http://www.saturdaymarket.com ) and at the farm. Two of our current subscribers who signed up for baskets from our web page were also interviewed for the story. We are told by the reporter that we will be amazed how much email and hits we will get. We are bound to get questions about CSA's all over the place. So if your CSA has a page or email, or there are pages out there we can link to then please let us know. This will help us deal with the responses as quickly as possible and get the maximum from the exposure. Our site is http://www.eatwell.com, your comments would be appreciated. Regards...Nigel Walker ############################################################### Eatwell Farm..Just another podunk farm http://www.eatwell.com ############################################################### Frances & Nigel Walker.... (916) 756-7358 Eatwell Farm, 9420 Stevenson Br Rd, Winters CA95694 *************************************************************** ORGANICALLY GROWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA FOODS ACT OF 1990 *************************************************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Mar 26 19:23:09 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28605 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA16553; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:19:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jbarclay@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16485; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:18:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:18:44 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: Eatwell Farm Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, agiles@slip.net Subject: Re: CNN Primenews In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970326114001.2ca7215e@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 Our local CSA, Prairieland Community Supported Agriculture, has a web page at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/ We also maintain the CSA-L discussion list web page which has links to other CSA's with web pages and related national organizations. I think it would be the best link to include since it has links to other CSAs (including yours and ours). It is at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html Other CSA links (which are also on CSA-L.html) are included below. If you hear of any CSA web pages that I'm missing let me know so I can update. Thanks, John Barclay, Champaign, IL. ----------------------------------------

  • Angelic Organics in Caledonia, Illinois.

  • Eatwell Farm CSA Project for San Francisco & Davis California.

  • Green Shoes Project in Knapp, Wisconsin.

  • Heartbeet CSA in Putney, Vermont.

  • Michaela Farm in Oldenburg, Indiana

  • Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois.

  • Spoutwood Farm CSA Project in Glen Rock, Pennsylvania.

  • Vermont Valley Community Farm in Vermont Valley

  • West Haven Farm in Ithaca, New York. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 28 01:43:58 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16383 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19983; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:40:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jbarclay@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16799; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:11:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:11:52 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: John Barclay Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: CSA Networking List Subject: 1st Draft of CSA-L FAQ for feedback. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: John Barclay X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 Dear CSA-L Subscribers, I've been meaning to do this for quite some time. Below is a beginning draft of a FAQ for the CSA-L email list. A FAQ is a list of frequently asked questions and answers that is posted periodically to an e-mail list such as CSA-L to answer common questions that come up repeatedly. I plan to update the FAQ and repost it every month or two depending on the level of traffic on the list. Please look it over and send me corrections and additions. I particularly need help filling in answer #9 and #10 as I haven't been to any conferences this year and could use brief summaries of what functions various national organizations serve with regard to CSA and current contact info. Since the CSA movement is still young I know this informatin can become out of date quickly. John Barclay, jbarclay@prairienet.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 352-4025 jbarclay@firefly.prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/homepage.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions for CSA-L Networking List (available at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html) 1. What is CSA-L? 2. How do I subscribe to CSA-L? 3. How do I unsubscribe to CSA-L? 4. What is appropriate to post to CSA-L? 5. How do I post to CSA-L? 6. Who subscribes to CSA-L? 7. Where can I find archives of CSA-L? 8. How can I find a CSA where I live? 9. What are some useful CSA organizations? 10. What are some good books, articles, and videos of CSA? 11. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web. ******************************************************* 1. WHAT IS CSA-L? The e-mail list "CSA-L@prairienet.org" is for networking on Community Supported Agriculture. We hope to see discussions on goals, distribution styles, outreach tools, member retention, educational work, connections with non-CSA organizations, etc. We also would like to see the exchange of newsletter articles and information about resources on CSA such as networking organizations, books, journals, videos, audio tapes from conferences, speaker tours of interest to CSAs, etc. In short, we would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of as many CSA's as possible to help the CSA movement grow and strengthen! The listowners are John Barclay (jbarclay@prairienet.org) of Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois and Sarah Milstein (milstein@pipeline.com) of Roxbury Biodynamic Farm in New York. ******************************************************* 2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname Lastname" in the message. Put you first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname and omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. ******************************************************* 3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "unsubscribe CSA-L" in the message. Omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. If this doesn't work, send an e-mail to jbarclay@prairienet.org and I will unsubscribe you. ******************************************************* 4. WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO POST TO CSA-L? All messages should meet the following criteria: -> Messages should be related to the purpose of the list. -> Messages should have a clear subject heading. -> Messages between individuals should not go to the entire list unless the information in them may be of interest to the list. -> Messages should include a good signature which includes your name, any organization that you represent, and where you are located geographically. -> Questions that are answered in the Frequently Asked Questions Postings (FAQs) should be avoided. These guidelines are to improve the quality and effectiveness of the list as a networking tool. As the number of subscribers to the list grows, the success of the list will depend on the quality of our postings. ******************************************************* 5. HOW DO I POST TO CSA-L? To post a message to the whole list, send it to CSA-L@prairienet.org In order to post to CSA-L, you must be subscribed to the list and send the message from the account name that you are subscribed on. In other words, If you have several e-mail accounts or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you subscribed from. ******************************************************* 6. WHO SUBSCRIBES TO CSA-L? Over 200 Farmers, CSA members, students studying CSA, and other interested parties from around the world. To get a list of the subscribers send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "recipients CSA-L" in the body and a current list will be sent to you. Some subscriber biographies are available on the CSA-L web page. ******************************************************* 7. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA-L? On the world wide web at: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ ******************************************************* 8. HOW CAN I FIND A CSA WHERE I LIVE? Call the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association toll-free CSA/BDA Consumer Hot Line (1-800-516-7797) to request a free list of the CSA/BDA farms and/or gardens in your state. ******************************************************* 9. WHAT ARE SOME USEFUL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL RESOURCE ORGANIZATIONS ON CSA? Please send me short one paragraph summaries of any national or regional organizations you work with including current contact information and roles your organization performs. ******************************************************* 10. WHAT ARE SOME GOOD BOOKS, ARTICLES, AND VIDEOS OF CSA? If your organization publishes or distributes and CSA materials, please send me current summaries and how-to-order info. I'd like to list several of the best books and periodicals of use to CSAs, but the info. I currently have may be out of date. ******************************************************* 11. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web. Several CSAs have web pages, but there really isn't a whole lot on the WWW specifically devoted to CSA's. Links to all the web sites I can find related to CSAs can be found at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Apr 1 22:13:32 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14123 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01568; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:08:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24050 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:10:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from london@localhost) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13561; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:11:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:11:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Community Supported Agriculture Research (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: london@calzone.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:43:35 -0500 From: csana To: london@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: Re: Community Supported Agriculture Research (fwd) >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:01:45 -0500 (EST) >From: Debra Agnello >Subject: Community Supported Agriculture Research > > > My name is Debra Argentina. I am a senior studying Environmental >Education at Ramapo College of NJ. For the past five years, I have been >coordinating activities at the Alternate Energy Center here on campus. >The center consists of a solar schoolhouse, a greenhouse, an organic >garden, composting area and hen house. The focus of the center is on >environmental education for campus students and younger students from >off-campus. > >I am conducting research for a senior project on Community Supported >Agriculture. Any information you can send to me on the subject would be >greatly appreciated. If you run a CSA, could you possibly e-mail >information on the size, location, years in operation, amount of >subscribers, success, personal philosophy on farming and anything else you >feel is relevant. If you have information that would be easier to send by >regular mail, my address is: > > Debra Argentina > 343 Van Winkle Ave. > Hawthorne, NJ 07506 > or dagnello@ramapo.edu >I will quickly reimburse you for the postage paid by mail. > >Ramapo College is holding its Third Annual Mid-Atlantic >Environmental Conference on Sustainable Communities "What Works?", on April >18-20. Some of our guest speakers will be Jerry Brown, former governor of >CA, presenting the Agenda for a New Millenium; David Korten, author of >When Corporations Rule the World; Don Edwards, Center for Justice and >Sustainability; David Orr, author of Earth in Mind; Bob Swann and Susan >Witt, E.F. Schumacher Society and many more. If anyone is interested in >attending, please call the Environmental Institute office at Ramapo >College >of NJ,201-529-7742 Dear Debra, I am including a couple of things we can offer you. 1) our resource list 2) CSA ideals 3)list of CSA farms in NJ We will have a detailed list of all CSAs in North America by early summer and you could order that in June. Additionally, I will mail you a copy of our bibliograpy. Good luck, Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jugend Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 413-528-4374 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 2 21:51:56 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18574 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04733; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:46:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from amelia.brynmawr.edu (amelia.brynmawr.edu [165.106.1.6]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04486 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:45:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from [165.106.23.66] (geolab7.brynmawr.edu [165.106.23.66]) by amelia.brynmawr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16908 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:52:23 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: bshapley@brynmawr.edu (Becca Laughing Shapley) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Does Permaculture work? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bshapley@ada.brynmawr.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Hello! I have to say, this mailing list is an incredible resource. Thank you to all who have taken the time to respond to my questions! I have another one: Have any of the CSA's or other farms on this list intentionally or unintentionally used principles from Permaculture in your farm's planning or production? I gave a presentation to my Senior Seminar in Environmental Studies on Permaculture, and my fellow students were inspired by it. However, I spoke mostly about the theoretical or examples of what could be, and received several comments that they would like to know about how it works in real life. The perfessor is particularly interested in whether permaculture is applicable on a large scale, or if it requires too much management. Others were interested in knowing if the same area of land really could be more productive, either in biomass or cash terms, than the same area under conventional agricultural practices. Can anyone put in a few words? Thanks! Becca bshapley@brynmawr.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 23 11:16:28 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02650 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18967; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:11:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26028 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA00840; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970423110603_1412791294@emout18.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, nag1@cornell.edu, VolkerWitt@aol.com, whblake@ix.netcom.com, Shiro@neworld.com, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, ffo@together.net, twisted@teleport.com Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm -4/23/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 This is the first of notes we are sending to folks interested in our farm and CSA program. This is a copy of the text our shareholders receive with teir veggies each week. It is an indicator of what's happening on the farm. Your Week's Worth 4/23/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun Salad 3/4 lb Market Express "baby" Turnips 1/2 lb Stir-fry 1-2 Mei Qing "baby" Pac Choi 1 bu Salad Rose radish 1 bu Leeks 1 bu Oregano 1 bu Peppermint 1/2 dz organic free-range chicken eggs from Brian at The Natural Trading Company 1 lb Mesclun Salad 3/4 lb Market Express "baby" Turnips 1/2 lb Stir-fry 1-2 Mei Qing "baby" Pac Choi 1 bu Salad Rose radish 1 bu Leeks 1 bu Oregano 1 bu Peppermint 1/2 dz organic free-range chicken eggs from Brian at The Natural Trading Company Eggs-actly what the doctor ordered Stir-fry this week has the wonderful purple flowering choi sum. Yes, you can eat the flowers. The little, round, white things are turnips called Market Express. Tender and tasty, steam or roast them with some leeks. The wonderful organic, free-range eggs are from our friend Bryan Kaminsky who operates the Natural Trading Company. Bryan and his partner Steve Pilz are managing the organic orchard we'll get fruit from as it comes in season. We should remind you that egg shares are available for $2.50 extra per week for a dozen eggs or $1.25 for 1/2 dz. We will pack the eggs in your share bag. Just give us a call to take advantage of this offer. We are starting the summer squash, cucumbers, melons, and sunflowers in the greenhouse this week. They should be set out in about three weeks. Squash should be ready by mid-June, cucumbers by July 4th and melons and sunflowers about mid-July. Speaking of the greenhouse, we have a couple of hundred 4" pots of heirloom tomatoes, peppers and eggplant for the KVMR Plant Sale and Fundraiser at the Foundry in Nevada City on Sunday, May 4th. Come see us and tell your friends. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Apr 24 12:28:11 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14663 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26354; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:22:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@[168.150.253.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26098 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dcn106.dcn.davis.ca.us (dcn106.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.106]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA15065 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970424093057.2ef712e2@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eatwell Farm To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Newsletters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: organic@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bluestem.prairienet.org id LAA26102 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 Would you like to share recipes for newsletters? I seem to spend alot of time searching them out and then typing them in. Is there someway or place where we could all exchange or post our recipes or farm stories. We find our newsletter is an important part of the CSA for our customers. Regards...Nigel ps here are some of ours from this week. Fava Bean Ragout 2 lbs fava beans 1 sprig of green garlic 1 small sprig of rosemary olive oil salt and pepper a little lemon juice Shell the fava beans and compost the pods. Bring a pot of water to the boil, add the fava and simmer for 1 minute. drain and cool the immediately in cool water. Pierce the outer skin with a thumb nail and squeeze each bean out of its skin with thumb and forefinger. Cop the green garlic. Strip the leaves from the rosemary sprig and chop very fine. Put the fava beans in a saucepan with a mixture of half water and half olive oil, enough to barely cover them. Add the garlic and rosemary, and season with salt and pepper. Bring to a simmer, cover, and cook until the beans are tender, about 5 minutes, more or less., depending on the beans. Finish with a squeeze of lemon juice and another grind or 2 of pepper, and serve. Fava beans cooked in this way are often served in a simple pasta dish with the addition of peas and a garnish of crumbled ricotta salata cheese. Wild and Wonderful Every now and again we hope to be able to put something a little out of the ordinary in your basket. This is one of those weeks........ Garlic Bulbils in Olive Oil, Lemon and Oregano Garlic Bulbils are garlic blossoms before they burst open and display their delicate, white,garlic-scented petals. The bulbil and most of its tender green stem are edible. They are tender and fragrant and taste like a garlicky asparagus. 10 garlic bulbils 1 tablespoon olive oil juice of 1/2 lemon 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs, chopped 1 stem of green garlic, finely chopped 1/5 cup olive oil salt and pepper to taste maybe some parmesan cheese Leaving about 3” of stem below the bulbil intact, slice the remaining bulbil stems into 2” pieces. Over a medium sized pot of boiling water, steam the garlic bulbils and stems for about 3 to 5 minutes. Test for tenderness. Place in a medium sized bowl. Add 1 tablespoon of olive oil, lemon juice, herbs and garlic and toss. Season to taste. Toss with the remaining olive oil just before your serve on top of freshly cooked pasta. Chilled Fava Bean Soup 2 lbs fava beans 1/2 bunch onions 2 stalks of green garlic 1/2 cup olive oil salt and pepper 1 quart light chicken stock rosemary oil for garnish Shell the beans, parboil for about 1 minute, cool, and then pop the beans out of their skins. Sauté the chopped onions and garlic together for 4 minutes, and season well with salt. Add the fava beans, cook for 2 more minutes, and then add just enough stock to cover the beans. Chill the remaining stock. Cook the fava beans until tender. Puree in a blender until smooth, adding the extra cooled stock until you reach a consistency you like. Cool the soup quickly in an ice bath. Season to taste. Serve in chilled bowls, garnished with a thread of olive oil infused with fresh rosemary. ############################################################### Eatwell Farm..Just another podunk farm http://www.eatwell.com ############################################################### Frances & Nigel Walker.... (916) 756-7358 Eatwell Farm, 9420 Stevenson Br Rd, Winters CA95694 *************************************************************** ORGANICALLY GROWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA FOODS ACT OF 1990 *************************************************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Apr 27 21:59:11 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24547 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11268; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:54:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01358 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from london@localhost) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24157; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: Eatwell Farm Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Newsletters In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970424093057.2ef712e2@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: london@calzone.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Eatwell Farm wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:25:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eatwell Farm > To: mailto:csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Newsletters > > Would you like to share recipes for newsletters? I seem to spend > alot of time searching them out and then typing them in. Is there someway > or place where we could all exchange or post our recipes or farm stories. We > find our newsletter is an important part of the CSA for our customers. > Regards...Nigel An alternative to posting them here could be any of the small in-house archived forums I have created for my homepage, http://sunsite.unc.edu/InterGarden: 1) Small Farming & CSA Bulletin Board POST http://sunsite.unc.edu/london/agriculture/forums/small-farm-BB/maillist.html Read mailto:rural@sunsite.unc.edu 2) Organic Gardening Bulletin Board Post mailto:organic@sunsite.unc.edu Read http://sunsite.unc.edu/london/agriculture/forums/organic-agriculture/maillist.html 3) Regenerative Agriculture Bulletin Board Post http://sunsite.unc.edu/london/agriculture/feedback/dirtfarmer/maillist.html Read mailto:dirtfarmer@sunsite.unc.edu You can access these directly from my page or simply plug any of the above URLs into your own pages. The archives are indexed by date and subject, unmoderated and permanent. Hope you find them useful. Lawrence London Venaura Farm Chapel Hill, NC mailto:london@sunsite.unc.edu mailto:london@nuteknet.com http://sunsite.unc.edu/InterGarden http://nuteknet.com/london Venaura Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 30 18:03:20 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13956 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22705; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22369 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:52:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA00832; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970430175153_-930921990@emout19.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.com Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 4/30/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Your Week's Worth 4/30/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun Salad 3/4 lb Market Express "baby" Turnips 1/2 lb Spinach 2 ea Mei Qing "baby" Pac Choi 1 bu Salad Rose radish 5-6-oz Mammoth Melting Snow or Sugar Snap peas 1 bu Leeks 1 bu Fennel leaves Peas have started! Snow peas and Snap peas have finally started to set fruit. You will have one or the other in your share. We hope to get the tomatoes peppers and eggplants transplanted Saturday or Monday. They are definitely ready to get out of the greenhouse. The summer squash, cucumbers, melons, and sunflowers in the greenhouse are starting to emerge. They should be set out in about three weeks. A mouse found the sunflowers and dug up the sprouting seeds. We're re-seeding and setting traps - - not necessarily in that order. We still need more shareholders to make budget this year, give us a call with your suggestions. Don't forget, we have a thousand 4" pots of heirloom tomatoes, peppers and eggplant for the KVMR Plant Sale and Fundraiser at the Foundry in Nevada City on Sunday, May 4th. Come see us and tell your friends. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 1 09:30:51 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02638 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23053; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:25:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.clarityconnect.com (mail.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.5]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22956 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:24:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cramer (206.114.171.20) by mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 1 May 1997 09:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970501093023.006c9270@clarityconnect.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:30:23 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Craig D. Cramer" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: New sustainable farming website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cdcramer@clarityconnect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE More information: Chris Shirley (610) 791-9683 cdshirley@aol.com New Farm Editors Launch Website Two former editors of The New Farm magazine have launched Sustainable Farming Connection, an interactive World Wide Web site where farmers and others forging more sustainable food systems can find and share valuable information. "Our site offers innovative production and marketing stories to help you cut costs, improve soil, protect the environment and add value to healthy food," says site author Craig Cramer. The SFC webpages include commentary by rural writers such as Gene Logsdon, timely news and action alerts, archived material and links to other key sites. Discussion groups also provide a forum for farmers to ask questions, exchange tips and "talk" with others about topics of importance to them. Rural Internet access has soared in recent months, notes Cramer. "With a website, we can reach more farmers and bring them even more of the practical information they want than we could in print. Instead of getting an issue every couple of months, readers will want to check in daily to see what's new. "We're calling on farmers and other ag professionals with Internet access to serve as information 'hubs' to help spread the word to others," he adds. SunSITE at University of North Carolina has volunteered to host Sustainable Farming Connection. Support from the Wallace Genetic Foundation and the encouragement of many well-known organizations including the Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture also have played key roles in the site debut, notes fellow editor Christopher Shirley. "Your 'on-site' comments will help ensure we meet your needs," he says. Stop in for a visit at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection For more information about the site and sponsorship information, contact: Christopher Shirley cdshirley@aol.com Committee for Sustainable Farm Publishing 609 S. Front St. Allentown PA 18103 (610) 791-9683 This news release is also available at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/forums/farm-news/msg00003.html end From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 2 14:55:44 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29686 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13585; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:49:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24814 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:49:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [38.14.120.196] (ip196.meford.or.pub-ip.psi.net [38.14.120.196]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23841; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:59:21 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: slily@earthlink.net (Sue Lily) To: 102060.751@compuserve.com, pyramid@jeff.net, global@mind.net, headwtrs@mind.net, mgreene@jeffnet.org Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Address change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: slily@mail.earthlink.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 Greetings! It's SueLily, back online with a new server - Earthlink, and am available to do internet searches. Please replace my former email address with this new one so I get your news. Later, Sue Sue 333333 33 99 33 33 > 33 33 v 33 ( ) W W | |___|| L ////__| From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed May 7 02:14:35 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03671 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 02:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA21666; Wed, 7 May 1997 01:09:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20862 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 01:08:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from salkind.sirius.com (ppp055-sf5.sirius.com [205.134.236.55]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.5/Sirius-8.8.5-97.03.28) with SMTP id XAA27815; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970507060905.0068df44@pop.sirius.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 23:09:05 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Heisler and Jesse Brown To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: transportation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bonbon@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 I'd like to hear from other CSA's as to how you handle transportation of food from farm to distribution sites. Our CSA relies on a transporter to get the food from farm to city. Every once in a while, there is a foul-up. The sorters show up to carry out our community ritual of divying up the vegetables, and there are none. There is confusion and less than good feeling (at 7am on a Saturday) and people go home, get clued in by whoever finds out what has happened, individuals' questions are answered, and we just make do. This has happeed twice this winter. Further compunding this is the fact that we work during 8 months of the year with our primary farm, and during thier not so productive time in winter, we have for the last two years wokred with a different farm that adopts us for the winter months and releases us en masse to our home farm when May comes round. We just had the second transportation problem of the winter season. I am struck by the difference between this happening once ("Things happen") and twice ("I don't know if we should do the winter vegetables next year", "This is happening all the time", "They need to get it together", etc.). Clearly, a single occurence is one thing, and more than one seems to be a slippery slope. The anonymousness of the trucker who is neither the farmer nor a CSA member seems to contribute to reducing the community's tolerance for this kind of glitch. We discovered while talking about it tonight that, although mess-ups happen with our home farm's transportation sometimes, we don't feel it because the farmers take it out of their sleep to pick up where the trucker left off. This point is interesting, because it can be said that this is antithetical to what we are doing in CSAs, that the experience of feeling the mess-up is part of the deal, that the farmer carrying all of the risk is what CSA pushes against. It is interesting also for the value of reminding us that transportation problems can occur in the ag retailing mainstream without the consumer feeling a thing, that these are resolved through availability of food from another source, using the mechanism of the market to play one grower against another. So, the questions are: What do you all do to deal with unforseen transportation problems that result in a missed delivery? What systems have folks put in place to notify the membership at large if such a problem has occured, and why. Is transportation hard for other CSAs? Anything else to share on this topic? Thanks. Karen Heisler CSA member - Live Power Community Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed May 7 12:38:34 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02988 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 12:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15874; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dilbert.ucdavis.edu (root@dilbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.189]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15759 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:31:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by dilbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/UCD3.8.13) id JAA22479; Wed, 7 May 1997 09:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Sharyl McGrew Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sharyl McGrew To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: marketing strategies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ez075021@dilbert.ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 Would anyone be willing to share with me their innovate strategies for increasing shareholders? I'm especially interested to hear what people are doing in terms of share sponsorship, i.e.--business or community groups who donate shares to low-income families. Has this method been tried out and has it been successful? How has it been established? Other strategies which result in increased shareholders, aside from the most common methods, would be valuable too. Thanks! Sharyl McGrew Research Assistant Graduate Student UC SAREP (916) 752-7541 Community Development California Communities Program UC Davis Davis, CA 95616 (916) 753-6109 slmcgrew@ucdavis.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 8 07:39:45 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01396 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA24616; Thu, 8 May 1997 06:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13700 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 06:37:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id HSA21087; Thu, 08 May 1997 07:37:47 EDT Message-Id: <19970508.073516.11694.2.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:37:47 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Kitchen Waste X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,11-19 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 To the List: As the season gets under way here I'm trying to figure out how to encourage shareholders/members to bring their kitchen wastes to the farm on distribution days as a compost ingredient. My guess is that people won't do it if the process is smelly, messy, attractive to ants and flies. Plastic buckets with lids is one obvious possibility, of course, but in my experience these tend to get co-opted for other uses, and the lids are difficult to manage; the "Food Cycler" (TM) bags developed by the Woods End Research Laboratory for the purpose are rather expensive. Any other ideas out there? Do other CSA growers bother with this? Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "There is no scarcity abiding in Nature; Any scarcity we see is our own doing." http://www.biodynamics.com/csa/scg.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 8 09:42:34 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29068 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13581; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25778 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA12128; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970508093953_2051306333@emout19.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: ednS94@hamp.hampshire.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA Listserver? X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 Eric, The address for the CSA list is csa-l@prairienet.org. Marcie From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 9 10:06:34 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21680 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06446; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06248 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:00:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA21792; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970509100040_168959161@emout18.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, organic@eatwell.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, kendrad@telis.org, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 5/7/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 Here's what's happening this week Your Week's Worth 5/07/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun Salad 1/2 lb Stir-fry 4 leaves of Red Giant mustard 1 bu Market Express "baby" Turnips 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Salad Rose radish 5-6-oz Mammoth Melting Snow or Sugar Snap peas 1 bu "baby" Leeks 1 bu Peppermint or Orange Mint Sure beets the grocery store! Chioggia is an heirloom Italian beet with red and white concentric circles inside. The green tops are good, too. I like this beet raw, grated into salads. It is also good baked or steamed. A couple of you have asked about the difference between the salad mix and the stir-fry. The stir-fry/braising mix has no lettuce in it, has a larger size leaf, and may different Asian greens. They four greens they have in common are Ruby chard, Red Russian kale, Mizuna and Red Giant Japanese mustards -- all at larger leaf size in the braising mix than the mesclun. Last of the leeks this week -- consider roasting, sauteing or steaming a mix of leeks, beets and turnips. Red Giant mustard at full-size is excellent on sandwiches instead of lettuce and mustard. It's sprightly Dijon mustard taste adds zip to a sharp cheese on brown bread or roast beef. We transplanted peppers and eggplant yesterday and seeded your new salad patch. Last week we seeded new spinach, beets and green onions. HELP, our van has been dubbed a gross polluter by the State. This vehicle is run less than 1500 miles per year, but is the only way we can get veggies to market and some of our community sites. We need a good and understanding mechanic as this isn't in the budget. CALL NOW. PS May payments are due. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 9 13:36:53 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20104 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09696; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:26:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout23.mail.aol.com (emout23.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.128]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07492 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:28:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA18126; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970509115944_-1567087069@emout02.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: slmcgrew@ucdavis.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: marketing strategies X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 Dear Sharyl, The question of "marketing strategies" continues to be a difficult one for me, especially as a Californian. My concept of Community Supported Agriculture has an emphasis on building community. "Marketing strategies" seems a particularly West coast take on CSA. Unlike Europe or the East where CSA is consumer-driven, getting together hiring a farmer to grow for them or seek to support a particular farm because of the stewardship shown to the land, here in California, CSA seems to be another farmer-driven marketing tool. I'm up against a "CSA" where the "farmer" buys produce at a wholesale house and from larger organic farms in the region and puts together custom share boxes. Because this person spends almost no time growing produce, the time is spent marketing the diversity this "CSA" can provide. We provide produce from our farm and one local orchard with whom we trade. We educate about eating locally and seasonally. This is, however, an uphill battle when our time is necessarily spent growing the food our shareholders eat. Consumer habits are that of having virtually anything available at any time of the year from the supermarket. It's not that we're no fun, we have hootenannies and festivals for our shareholders and their friends, classes, and help days. We have work offset shares for those who wouldn't be able to afford a share otherwise and "plant a row" for the local women's shelter, but we are asking people to make lifestyle changes and that's difficult. We need more shareholders and remain convinced there are people out there who want our kind of CSA. Still, we are only serving half the families we could while the other "CSA" has almost 5X as many shareholders as we do. Building community takes more effort and time than selling produce. If we can hold out for another year, we should have something really solid. Meanwhile, the economics are troublesome. Thoughts from the list are welcome, Marcie From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon May 12 03:14:34 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05684 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 03:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15419; Mon, 12 May 1997 02:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01831 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 02:11:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu (klepetka@saul5.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.3]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.04) with ESMTP id AAA12948; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:12:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (klepetka@localhost) by saul5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id AAA04403; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Brad Klepetka To: sustainnw-l@listproc.wsu.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: information request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 I am a grad student starting out a research idea and could use some imput. I want to do research with organic farms and will probably concentrate on smaller scale CSA type farms here in the pacific northwest. what i would like to know is: what are the most common crops grown organically? what are the most common pests associated w/ those crops? what are the most common predators of those pests? for which crops are weeds the most and the least problematic? please reply directly to me, not the list. i will provide a summary of responsed back to the list for those who might be interested. thanks very much, sorry for any cross postings. Brad Klepetka 206/685-6893 University of Washington 206/543-3041 (fax) Department of Zoology 24 Kincaid Hall Box 351800 Seattle, WA 98l95-1800 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon May 12 11:11:49 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10169 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06245; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:04:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18884 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:06:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dcn111.dcn.davis.ca.us (dcn111.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.111]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.0) with SMTP id IAA28755 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970512081406.505f6572@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eatwell Farm To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: organic farms in Michigan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organic@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 Can anyone help Tracey? Hi, >I am searching for a farm in Michigan that would grow all organic food. Do >you by any chance know of one? I can't seem to find one, especially for fresh >vegetables. >Sincerely, >Tracey Benoit JBenoit131@aol.com ############################################################### Eatwell Farm..Just another podunk farm http://www.eatwell.com ############################################################### Frances & Nigel Walker.... (916) 756-7358 Eatwell Farm, 9420 Stevenson Br Rd, Winters CA95694 *************************************************************** ORGANICALLY GROWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA FOODS ACT OF 1990 *************************************************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 13 11:19:52 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04193 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20983; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:13:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08085 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:15:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [206.15.69.16] (sf1-ppp16.well.com [206.15.69.16]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03859 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705131517.IAA03859@mom.hooked.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:18:52 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: mesa To: Subject: RE: sustainable vs. organic and the lists replies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 43 Dear CSA members---KINDLY SEND YOUR REPLIES TO THIS QUERY TO JOHN HARPER (jharper@cs.may.ie), NOT MESA. Thank you! From: John Harper, jharper@cs.may.ie >To: mesa@hooked.net > >Hello, >I am a farmer (small) who produces grain and outdoor pigs. Frequently >I am asked why don't I "go" fully organic, but I argue that what >we do is the practical side of organic. We minimise all agrichemical >input and avoid pesticides. Our pigs are green manure machines. >Is there a charter or policy somewhere setting out the Nature and >Structure of Sustainable Farming. >Thanks >John Harpur From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed May 14 22:12:40 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07376 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22677; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:06:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06531 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:08:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from london@localhost) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06607; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: NE CSA Conference (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: london@calzone.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:23:18 -0400 From: csana To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: NE CSA Conference MARK YOUR CALENDARS NOW!!!! NORTHEAST REGIONAL COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE CONFERENCE A FUTURE FOR FARMING IN THE NORTHEAST NOVEMBER 7-8, 1997 HANCOCK, MASSACHUSETTS CSA of North America, in partnership with Just Food, UMass Extension and Wilson College, is convening a conference this fall to tackle the challenges of creating and operating successful CSA farms in the Northeast now, and to explore their possibilities in the future. This conference is exciting because it will create a forum where farmers, CSA members, land grant and USDA personnel, related non-profit organizations and the public can communicate, exchange ideas and learn from one another. PLEASE JOIN US!!! Your ideas on what the conference should include will carry great weight in our final planning, so please let us know what you think. YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONFERENCE AND YOUR INPUT IS ESSENTIAL. Workshops will be designed largley based on your requests. A starting list would likely include: -Begin a CSA -Sustain & expand a CSA -Secure land use and ownership -Assess your legal structure -Develop a core group -Increase member involvement -Choose appropriate technologies -Learn about labor, apprentices & the law -Discuss crop management issues -Understand budgeting & accounting -Explore CSA farmer standard of living -Build networks of CSA farms -Create urban-rural partnerships -Survey other types of CSA -Examine food security & CSA -Probe the potential of CSA in the NE You as CSA growers, members, and advocacy groups MAKE the conference and we need your advice. What subjects would you like to see presented? Who would you suggest for possible presenters or workshop leaders? If you are knowledgeable in certain areas, let us know what the subject is and if you would be willing to participate in a panel or lead a workshop. Please include name, address, phone, farm or organization you represent, and telephone with any correspondence. COME SHARE IN THIS HISTORIC MOMENT FOR CSA IN THE NORTHEAST!! REGISTRATION MATERIALS WILL BE SENT OUT IN JULY/AUGUST. FOR MORE INFORMATION OR RESPONSES, PLEASE CONTACT: CSA of North America, Elizabeth Keen, 57 Jug End Road, Great Barrington, MA 01230 Tel: (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net or look at our web page: http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA SPONSORED BY: CSA OF NORTH AMERICA, JUST FOOD, UMASS EXTENSION, WILSON COLLEGE From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat May 17 10:52:34 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06265 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 10:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20502; Sat, 17 May 1997 09:42:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11107 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 09:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA02294; Sat, 17 May 1997 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970517104416_-163585056@emout13.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, organic@eatwell.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 5/14/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 45 Your Week's Worth 5/14/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Spinach 4 leaves Red Giant mustard 1 bu Golden turnip with greens 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Salad Rose radish or Sparkler 8-12 oz Mammoth Melting Snow or Sugar Snap peas Hot weather early The daytime highs are running a full 15x above the normal of 80x-- more like July than May. This will no doubt shorten the pea crop and has already affected the stir-fry. On the bright side, these temperatures and our irrigation really stimulate the bacteria and fungus that make their living in the soil by breaking down organic matter and releasing nutrients to the crop. Fruit should be ready, soon. The tomatoes, peppers and eggplants will have been transplanted by the end of the week and will be taking advantage of the increased soil activity. Summer squashes and cucumbers will be ready to come out of the greenhouse and go in the ground next week. Broccoli looks like it's a couple of weeks out. Hopefully, we'll be back in carrots next week. The new salad mix patch is coming along. Spinach, beet, green onion, and mei qing second plantings all look good. Herbs have found their feet and should be ready about broccoli time. Southerners cook up the greens from turnips with bacon by frying the bacon, removing it from the pan, then stirring the chopped greens in the bacon fat and crumbling the cooked bacon on top. 2 strips of bacon is only 5gms fat. Turnips themselves can be mashed w/ potatoes, or sliced and fried into chips. Beet greens can be quick fried in olive oil and garlic then tossed with vinegar if desired. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 22 08:45:05 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24792 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 08:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08417; Thu, 22 May 1997 07:39:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14026 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 07:41:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA24309; Thu, 22 May 1997 08:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970522084154_-1699776749@emout14.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 46 Your Week's Worth 5/21/97from Full Circle Organic Farm (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Spinach 1 bu Kohlrabi 1 bu Market Express "baby" turnip 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Sparkler radish 1 lb Sugar Snap peas 1 bu Epazote (Mexican bean herb) Sputnik lesson The round, green, foreign-looking veggie is kohlrabi. A member of the cabbage family, kohlrabi can be eaten raw or cooked. Remove the leaves and peel the bulb. Slice or julienne into salads or use for dipping hummus or other crudite dips OR steam with beets ( I don't peel Chioggias at their "baby" stage.) All veggies in the share this week can be eaten raw or cooked, dipped or plain, stir-fried or steamed... Epazote, Mexican bean herb can be dried and used later. 1 -3 t per pot of beans flavors and de-gasses. Sorry, carrots were not quite big enough this week. Broccoli has baby heads forming as does the Chinese cabbage. The strawberries are covered with blossoms. All the tomatoes, peppers and eggplants, as well as the basils, are now transplanted and starting to grow. The summer squash and cucumbers will be transplanted by the end of the week. Our potato patch has suffered another setback -- blight. We are treating this fungal infection with horsetail tea, an old biodynamic remedy, Ask the Goddess to smile on us, please. On a personal note, your farmers have been married 14 years today. Lee Hendrickson is the only person in the world who could put up with me that long -- thanks, dear! Marcie From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 23 13:05:20 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14261 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19475; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05271 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [206.138.144.150] (gb1ip10.bcn.net [206.138.144.150]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA27561 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:04:23 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Northeast CSA Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 47 MARK YOUR CALENDARS NOW!!!! NORTHEAST REGIONAL COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE CONFERENCE A FUTURE FOR FARMING IN THE NORTHEAST NOVEMBER 7-8, 1997 HANCOCK, MASSACHUSETTS Through the generous support of Northeast Region SARE, CSA of North America, Just Food, UMass Extension and Wilson College are convening a conference this fall to tackle the challenges of creating and operating successful CSA farms in the Northeast now, and to explore their possibilities in the future. This conference is exciting because it will create a forum where farmers, CSA members, land grant and USDA personnel, related non-profit organizations and the public can communicate, exchange ideas and learn from one another. PLEASE JOIN US!!! Community Supported Agriculture -- or CSA, the mutually beneficial arrangement whereby farmers and consumers cooperate to grow, market and distribute food, is one of the most rapidly expanding agricultural approaches today. Since taking root in the Northeast over ten years ago, CSA has become the most dynamic innovation in small scale farming. It has also proven an effective way for farmers all over the country to maintain profitable, environmentally sound farming practices. In addition to creating sustainable farms, CSA enhances local cottage industry, local food systems and community food security. It can also serve as a tool to facilitate the transition from conventional/chemical growing to organic methods. A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE IN THE NORTHEAST The Northeast was the birthplace of CSA in the United States and the concept has had a tremendous impact on communitues across the U.S. and Canada. Today there is widespread public interest in CSA and increasing involvement. At present there are more than 600 CSA farms in North America providing food for an estimated 100,000 members. The Northeast continues to lead the country in CSA development, with nearly 250 farm projects that have attracted local, regional and national attention. IDEAS AND WORKSHOPS Your ideas on what the conference should include will carry great weight in our final planning, so please let us know what you think. YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONFERENCE AND YOUR INPUT IS ESSENTIAL. Workshops will be designed largely based on your requests. A starting list would likely include: -Begin a CSA -Sustain & expand a CSA -Secure land use and ownership -Assess your legal structure -Develop a core group -Increase member involvement -Choose appropriate technologies -Learn about labor, apprentices & the law -Discuss crop management issues -Understand budgeting & accounting -Explore CSA farmer standard of living -Build networks of CSA farms -Create urban-rural partnerships -Survey other types of CSA -Examine food security & CSA -Probe the potential of CSA in the NE You as CSA growers, members, and advocacy groups MAKE the conference and we need your advice. What subjects would you like to see presented? Who would you suggest for possible presenters or workshop leaders? If you are knowledgeable in certain areas, let us know what the subject is and if you would be willing to participate in a panel or lead a workshop. All responses should be received by June 7th. Please include name, address, phone, farm or organization you represent, and telephone with any correspondence. COME SHARE IN THIS HISTORIC MOMENT FOR CSA IN THE NORTHEAST!! REGISTRATION MATERIALS WILL BE SENT OUT IN OCTOBER. FOR MORE INFORMATION OR RESPONSES, PLEASE CONTACT: CSA of North America, Elizabeth Keen, 57 Jug End Road, Great Barrington, MA 01230 Tel: (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net or look at our web page: http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CONFERENCE CONVENERS: CSA OF NORTH AMERICA, JUST FOOD, UMASS EXTENSION, WILSON COLLEGE and made possible through the generous support of Northeast SARE. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 29 12:18:00 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01687 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18539; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06797 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:49:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA19496; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970529094845_156531608@emout07.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 5/28/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 48 Your Week's Worth 5/28/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Ruby Swiss chard 1 bu Market Express "baby" turnips 1 bu Emperor broccoli or Red Russian kale 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Sparkler radish 1 lb Sugar Snap peas 1 bu Summer savory Comings and Goings This is the last week for Market Express turnips and probably the snap peas. Carrots are back. These are a variety called Bolero. They take a bit longer to form than the little, round Thumbelina. About half of you will get broccoli this week and the rest next. This first planting of broccoli is suffering from the cold weather when it was transplanted juxtaposed with the current record highs, so the heads are not as large and well-formed as last year's. The next planting promises to be better and more uniform. Ruby Chard is back. Those with our cookbook have at least four additional recipes using this colorful and tasty green. Saute' julienned chard lightly in olive oil and garlic then dress with balsamic vinegar for a quick side dish. Chard is a cousin to spinach and can be substituted in most recipes. All your summer squashes and cucumbers will come out of the greenhouse and go into the freshly tilled and amended beds we finished this weekend. We expect to have squash in your shares within three weeks. Winter squash will be direct seeded at the same time. We will also transplant watermelon and honeydew-type melons before the week is out. We are behind in bed preparation in the new field because of the many rocks we are encountering. Give us a call if you can help pick rocks. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 29 12:18:09 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01755 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18660; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from main.tellink.net (root@main.tellink.net [208.3.160.2]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04136 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:35:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.3.160.77] (pm-1-26.tellink.net [208.3.160.77]) by main.tellink.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09289; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291207.IAA09289@main.tellink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:41:29 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: geo@ic.org (Gaia Education Outreach Inst.) To: bioremediation@gzea.com, permaculture-mg@ces.ncsu.edu, sustain-l@pimacc.pima.edu, ogl@ukcc.uky.edu, graze-l@taranaki.ac.nz, csa-l@prairienet.org, compost@listproc.wsu.edu, agenvir-l@pentagon.io.com Subject: great summer program on Sustainability and Permaculture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: geo@tellink.net X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bluestem.prairienet.org id KAA04209 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 Greetings! Below is the description of the Summer Institute in Sustainable Living we are offering at the Gaia Education Outreach Institute in Temple, New Hampshire. There are still spaces open, though the program starts very soon (June 5-21). Please contact me with any questions about this or other programs we offer. Peace Michael Duffin Administrative Director ***** GEOCOMMONS COLLEGE YEAR Summer Institute in Sustainable Living: June 5-28 including Permaculture Design Course: June 5-20 University of New Hampshire Summer Session, 1997 In the summer beauty of New England, up to thirty students and six faculty will create a special learning community for sustainable living. Through observation, lecture, demonstration, discussion, and hands-on learning in ecological design, students will develop their practical skills and knowledge for living sustainably and in harmony with the natural world. During the first two weeks, students will participate in a Permaculture Design Course (PDC). For over 25 years permaculture has been evolving worldwide as a system of ecological principles and practices for sustainable food, shelter, livelihood, and community. A major goal of the PDC will be to design an educational eco-village for the Geocommons College site at Derbyshire Farm, a beautiful 75-acre hilltop farm in southern New Hampshire bordered by 2,000 acres of protected wilderness. During the optional third week, students will plan steps for implementing some of their permaculture designs, further develop their skills in sustainable living, visit local innovative projects, write project papers, and enjoy the beauties of the natural environment and community. This is a special opportunity to be guided by outstanding faculty in ecological design and to cooperatively explore ways to apply new learnings towards making one's own home, community, and campus more sustainable. The daily schedule aims for a balance of physical, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual elements as a conscious experiment in sustainable group living. Topics and activities will include: € permaculture principles and ethics € cooperative community processes and forms € organic food production and healthy diets € sheet mulching, composting, and companion planting € bio-system mapping and site evaluation € edible landscaping and forest gardens € design patterns and microclimates € appropriate energy systems and shelter € economic and career considerations € mindfulness practice, shared inspiration, celebrations Courses and Credit: Those attending the full three-week Sustainable Living course (EC 687) will receive four UNH credits which can be readily transferred to other schools. All students completing the PDC will be certified as Permaculture Design Trainees and may use the term "permaculture" in the pursuit of livelihood and educational uses. (See reverse side for more information.) Instructors: David Jacke - Nationally recognized master permaculturist with 12 years of professional experience. Cynthia Edwards - Professional landscaper for 20 yrs and int'l permaculture development worker. Dan Earle - Professor of landscape architecture, Louisiana State University, and permaculture designer. Bruce Kantner - Founder/director of GEO, UNH faculty in sustainable living, organic farmer, builder. Daniel Greenberg - GEO faculty, PhD in psychology and intentional communities. Leslie Goldstein - Member of Earthlands Community, organic gardener, PDC graduate. Cost: $1,200 for 3-week Institute; $750 for 2-week PDC only. Both include tuition, food, and tent space. Priority for applications received before Arpil 30, 1997. For more information contact: GAIA EDUCATION OUTREACH INSTITUTE Derbyshire Farm, Temple, NH 03084 PLEASE POST (603) 654-6705 geo@igc.org 3/97 June 5-20, 1997 at GEO: The Game of Eco-Village A Permaculture Design Course Eco-village Design As a human-designed ecosystem, the village is a fascinating study in whole culture design. The way our lives and communities are currently organized creates massive ecological damage and social injustice. How can we pattern resources, technologies, and people in such a way as to form the basis for regenerative, sustainable, and healthy communities? The Permaculture Approach As an ecological design approach and philosophy, permaculture has many tools to offer. The goal is to apply the principles, patterns, and relationships inherent in natural systems to consciously designing sustainable human cultures and repairing damaged ecosystems. The permaculture approach is applicable at any scale and in any climate of the world-for farms, homes, and communities, urban and rural. The Course The Game of Eco-Village is played on at least two levels. The first level is the community created by the participants, intended to be a fun and engaging environment for learning about permaculture and experiencing the design process. The second level is the role play at the core of the course curriculum: the participants are the eco-village members, engaged in designing their own village on the course site, who have hired the teaching staff as design process facilitators and consultants. Both levels of play are intended to model the community and design processes that the course will teach. The design effort involves participants in defining and refining vision and goals, undertaking site analysis, and schematically designing social, legal, and physical infrastructure, land use patterns, etc. There will be opportunity for those with more of an interest in home scale, farm design, or other issues to spend their design time focused on these areas. Most important is how all of these design elements interact to create a resilient, functional system and support the honing of participants' community and design skills. Monadnock Eco-Village Current plans call for 12-15 households in the first building cluster, residential and classroom facilities for 20 students, a theater-movement-celebration space, green businesses, farm, and recreation areas, and nature sanctuary on 75 or more acres of fields and forest. Adjoining property may be added. Who Can Benefit From This Course? Anyone with an interest in communities, sustainable agriculture, ecological design, education and/or homesteading: co-housers; community members, activists, and organizers; landscape architects; planners; architects; civil engineers; foresters; farmers; etc. Students can receive four undergraduate credits from the University of New Hampshire through GEO's three-week Summer Institute in Sustainable Living, June 5 - 28, which includes this course as the first two weeks of the program. Accommodations, Food, and Participation Participants can camp either in their own tent or in the barn, or can stay at local inns. Food will be vegetarian, with as much locally grown produce as possible. All participants will need to take part in helping create and live in our two-week learning community by sharing rotating chores in the kitchen and other communal use areas and by practicing the skills that community living entails. Daily meditations, involvement in design teams, and small support groups are required parts of the course. In order to promote safe. healthy community living, no alcohol or drugs will be allowed during the course. Outcomes from the Course Successful course completion will result in certification as a Permaculture Design Trainee, increased knowledge and skill in ecological community design, and major progress towards the creation of Monadnock Eco-Village. Participants will have new tools and experiences for community living, stronger capacities for mindfulness, and feelings of renewal and support in their personal development. We look forward to your joining us in the rich learnings and adventure of this experiment in sustainable life education. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaia Education Outreach Institute | Ph/Fax: 603/654-6705; geo@ic.org Derbyshire Farm, Temple, NH 03084 | www: http://www.ic.org/geo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat May 31 10:21:24 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28011 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 10:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20560; Sat, 31 May 1997 09:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04106 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 09:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA28428; Sat, 31 May 1997 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970531102009_-1296836887@emout15.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: GRAVESJ@sal311.waldorf.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 Jason wrote: "What is this? I don't want to take part in any food delivery service if this is your intent. If I'm misunderstanding the purpose of this email, please educate me as to that fact. " Since I don't mail you directly, I guess you're receiving my post via the CSA listserve from Prairienet. No, I'm not trolling for clients. I don't have a great deal of time to write e-mails at this time of the year so I thought i'd try to share a bit of what goes on on our farm and CSA with other like-minded folks by posting part of our share insert each week. CSA list has been pretty quiet and this was my way of trying to communicate the seasonality of farm. If it's bothering folks, I'll stop. Marcie Full Circle Organic Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat May 31 11:16:10 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11120 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00743; Sat, 31 May 1997 10:11:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00267 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 10:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from salkind.sirius.com (ppp032-sf5.sirius.com [205.134.236.32]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.5/Sirius-8.8.5-97.05.30) with SMTP id IAA07577; Sat, 31 May 1997 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970531151132.006864ec@pop.sirius.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:11:32 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Heisler and Jesse Brown To: MARCIEROSE@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bonbon@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 Am one who enjoys seeing your weekly writings posted, as newsletters etc. are a steady topic of discussion in our core group. No problem here with you seeking the efficiency of sharing these that are written for your community as part of the ongoing dialogue, esp. as the flow is light overall. Also like seeing what's in others' baskets relative to ours... K At 10:20 AM 5/31/97 -0400, you wrote: >Jason wrote: > >"What is this? I don't want to take part in any food >delivery service if this is your intent. If I'm misunderstanding the >purpose of this email, please educate me >as to that fact. " > >Since I don't mail you directly, I guess you're receiving my post via the CSA >listserve from Prairienet. No, I'm not trolling for clients. I don't have a >great deal of time to write e-mails at this time of the year so I thought i'd >try to share a bit of what goes on on our farm and CSA with other like-minded >folks by posting part of our share insert each week. CSA list has been pretty >quiet and this was my way of trying to communicate the seasonality of farm. > If it's bothering folks, I'll stop. > >Marcie >Full Circle Organic Farm > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jun 1 18:40:28 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12665 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06459; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:35:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06085 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17692 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706012238.SAA17692@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:30:01 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 Manly, yes, but I like 'em too. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html ---------- > From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com > To: GRAVESJ@sal311.waldorf.edu; csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings > Date: Saturday, May 31, 1997 7:20 AM > > Jason wrote: > > "What is this? I don't want to take part in any food > delivery service if this is your intent. If I'm misunderstanding the > purpose of this email, please educate me > as to that fact. " > > Since I don't mail you directly, I guess you're receiving my post via the CSA > listserve from Prairienet. No, I'm not trolling for clients. I don't have a > great deal of time to write e-mails at this time of the year so I thought i'd > try to share a bit of what goes on on our farm and CSA with other like-minded > folks by posting part of our share insert each week. CSA list has been pretty > quiet and this was my way of trying to communicate the seasonality of farm. > If it's bothering folks, I'll stop. > > Marcie > Full Circle Organic Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jun 2 15:13:33 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26177 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05478; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:08:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04058 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:07:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip186.an16-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.27.186]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21979 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970602152027.0c87991c@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 >I like 'em, too... > >Sarah > >At 06:30 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Manly, yes, but I like 'em too. >> >>Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator >>Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living >>http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html >> >> >>---------- >>> From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com >>> To: GRAVESJ@sal311.waldorf.edu; csa-l@prairienet.org >>> Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings >>> Date: Saturday, May 31, 1997 7:20 AM >>> >>> Jason wrote: >>> >>> "What is this? I don't want to take part in any food >>> delivery service if this is your intent. If I'm misunderstanding the >>> purpose of this email, please educate me >>> as to that fact. " >>> >>> Since I don't mail you directly, I guess you're receiving my post via the >>CSA >>> listserve from Prairienet. No, I'm not trolling for clients. I don't >>have a >>> great deal of time to write e-mails at this time of the year so I thought >>i'd >>> try to share a bit of what goes on on our farm and CSA with other >>like-minded >>> folks by posting part of our share insert each week. CSA list has been >>pretty >>> quiet and this was my way of trying to communicate the seasonality of >>farm. >>> If it's bothering folks, I'll stop. >>> >>> Marcie >>> Full Circle Organic Farm >> > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jun 4 17:15:23 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11400 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21523; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:09:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19551 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:08:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA05300; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970604170955_1990848809@emout14.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 6/4/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 Your Week's Worth 6/04/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Mei Qing Pac Choi 1 bu Kohlrabi 1 lb Emperor broccoli 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 bu Sparkler radish 1 pt Fern strawberries 1 lb Peaches 1 bu Epazote (Mexican bean herb) Fruitful Beginnings The peaches are from the Miyamura orchard in Penryn. It was untouched the year after Kaye's death and has been managed organically by Bryan Kaminsky and Steve Pilz for the last two years. Next year, the fruit will be registered with the state. This rain is the absolute PITS on strawberries. To those of you lucky enough to get some this week, eat them now. They're good, they're ripe, but, they will have almost no shelf life. In other weather related disappointments, the first broccoli planting, which we are now picking, is trying to become flowers rather than heads. It is less than beautiful but still tastes wonderful. The reason for this floral exuberance is the cold snap we had just after we transplanted these guys coupled with the above average highs. These events fooled the broccoli into thinking it was time to flower. Hopefully, the next planting won't be similarly affected. We have started cutting a new mesclun patch this week. The eggplant have started blooming and summer squash, and the pepper plants have doubled in size We are still behind in bed preparation because of rocks we are encountering. Give us a call if you can help pick rocks. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jun 6 11:17:30 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16361 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03816; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout28.mail.aol.com (emout28.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.133]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03497 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA08735 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970606111329_56673556@emout13.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: SUEHUL@aol.com To: MARCIEROSE@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 55 I think the weekly listings are great. Thanks for sharing! Sue Hulsether Former CSA intern, Current Urban large-gardener Future CSA farmer Minneapolis, MN From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jun 6 20:40:41 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09983 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02373; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:35:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20178 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:34:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from london@localhost) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09616; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: MARCIEROSE@aol.com Cc: GRAVESJ@sal311.waldorf.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings In-Reply-To: <970531102009_-1296836887@emout15.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: london@calzone.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 56 On Sat, 31 May 1997 MARCIEROSE@aol.com wrote: > great deal of time to write e-mails at this time of the year so I thought i'd > try to share a bit of what goes on on our farm and CSA with other like-minded > folks by posting part of our share insert each week. CSA list has been pretty > quiet and this was my way of trying to communicate the seasonality of farm. > > Marcie > Full Circle Organic Farm I enjoy them too and find them inspirational and very interesting; they certainly provide motivation to start a CSA of my own. I talked with a young potential-csa farm-intern in Ohio today. He found the CSA concept exciting and said that he had never heard of it before or of any CSA anywhere in Ohio. Also said that you could buy beautiful farmland with good soil there for $500-600 per acre; 20 acre farm with housing for $20,000. :-) From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jun 7 21:41:32 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25417 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03516; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:35:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion.means.net (orion.means.net [206.9.64.100]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03278 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:34:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from the-bridge.net ([206.10.40.2]) by orion.means.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA05744 for <@orion.means.net:csa-l@prairienet.org>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 206.10.40.82 ([206.10.40.82]) by the-bridge.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA15721 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:37:46 -0500 Message-Id: <339A0DEA.6A83@the-bridge.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 20:42:06 -0500 Reply-To: Lovey48@the-bridge.net Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Lovey48 To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: MONEY!! Lots and Lots and Lots of FREE money!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 57 DO YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY FAST!?!?!?!? The other day, I recieved this email. Now, I am a college student, and I am not at all weathly. So, I decided to give this a whirl... Good luck to you:) "A little while back, I was reading my junk E-Mail just like you are no, and came across an E-Mail similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $5.00! So, I thought, 'Yeah, right, this must be a scam!, like most of us, but I was curious, like most of us, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 5 names listed in the article. You then place your own name and addresses in the bottom of the list at #5 and send an E-Mail to at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands). No catch, that was it. So, after thinking about it, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to lose except 5 stamps and $5.00, right? Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So, I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then, I invested the measly $5.00... Well, GUESS WHAT! With in 7 days, I started getting money in the mail. I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought. But, the money just continued coming in. In my first week, I made about $20-$30. By the end of the second week, I had made a total of over $1,000! In the third week, I had over $10,000 and it's still growing! This is now my fourth week, and I have made a total of just over $42,000!!!! And it's still coming in!!! It's certainly worth $5.00 and 5 stamps. I spent more that that on the lottery! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY IT WORKS. Also, make sure you print a copy of this article now, so you can get the info you need off of it as you need it. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy steps: STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" Now get 5 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside of EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL! Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses: 1. Donald Foulk 216 N. Myers Bryan, OH 43506 2. Scott Hilterbran 222 W. Pleasant St. Hillsboro, OH 45133 3. Paul Mewes 5550 Fillmore St. Merrillville, IN 46410 4. Scott Brkovich 2251 Sandhurst Dr. Castle Rock, CO 80104 5. Anne E. Ryan 421 E. 32nd St. Hibbing, MN 55746 Continue to STEP 2. STEP 2: Now take the number 1 name off of the list that you see above, move the other names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...), and add YOUR name and address as number 5 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newssgroups. (I think there are close to 18,000) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! Don't know HOW to post in the news groups? Well, do exactly the following: FOR NETSCAPE USERS: 1) Click on any news group, like normal. Then click on 'To News', which is in the top left corner of the news group page. This will bring up a message box. 2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used, something to catch the eye! 3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter exactly as it is here, with the exception of your few changes. (Remember to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up) 4) When you're done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE' above the send button. Then 'SAVE AS' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE UNTIL YOU SAVE IT!!!!!!!!! (So you don't have to retype this 200+ times!!:) 5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your first cope! (Click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner) 6) This is where you post all 200! Ok, go to ANY news group article and click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy subject in the 'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your cursor here. Now, click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the 'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on attach file, then find your letter wherever you saved it. Click once on your file the click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'. If you did this right, you should see your filename in the 'ATTACHMENT BOX' and it will be shaded. NOW POST AWAY!!!!! IF YOU ARE USING INTERNET EXPLORER: It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight this entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the same time to copy this article. Then, print the article for your records to have the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to. NEXT: Go to the news groups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE', type in your flashy subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL' and 'V', and the article will appear in the message window. BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES!!! Now, re-highlight the article and re-copy it so you have the changes.... Then, all you have to do for each news group is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's that easy! THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different news groups and post away. After you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each news group! REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200!!!!!!!!!!! That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to us, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL OF THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So, then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #4, and only 5 people respond to each of the orginal 5. That is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 minimum posts with my name at #3, and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $626!! Ok, now here is the fun part. Each of those 625 people post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #1, and they each only receive 5 replies, that just make me $3,125!!! With an original investment of only $5.00!!! AMAZING!! And as I said, 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20-30 letters! So, let's put those figures at just 15 respones per person. Here is what you will make: At #5: $15, at #4: $225, at #3: $3,375, at #2: $50,625, at #1: $759,375!!!!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the news groups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the list, putting you at #5. And start posting! The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU ARE NOW! So can you afford $5.00 and see if it really works? I think so... People have said, 'What if the plan is played out and happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and news groups everyday and are willing to give it a try?' Estimates are at 20,000-50,000 new users every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY AND HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money, and always keep an eye on the news groups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY!!! You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of EXTRA CASH. **BY THE WAY: If you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that, and he only made about $150 and that's after 7 or 8 weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added them to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks, he had over $10k. This is the fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything but our time! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future dollars. PLEASE REMEMBER TO DECLARE YOUR EXTRA INCOME!!!!!!**" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jun 7 22:30:39 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09357 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12739; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07066 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:25:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA19038; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970607222942_-1162092379@emout20.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: SCook21809@aol.com To: london@sunsite.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 58 I know there is a CSA in Ohio somewhere around Cincinnati that is a 40 some year old organic farm. Suzy From SCook21809@aol.com Sat Jun 7 22:30:45 1997 Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09380 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: SCook21809@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA19038; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970607222942_-1162092379@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: london@sunsite.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm postings Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 59 I know there is a CSA in Ohio somewhere around Cincinnati that is a 40 some year old organic farm. Suzy From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jun 9 01:18:29 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22506 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14340; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:55:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (olywa.net [205.163.58.2]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12354 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:45:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from permawest.olywa.net ([205.163.58.77]) by valis.olywa.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11066) with ESMTP id AAA8626 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:50:23 -0700 Message-Id: <19970609035022324.AAA8626@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:27:17 -0700 Reply-To: Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Permaculture West" To: Subject: Permaculture Design Course MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 60 Building the Natural Community A two-week intensive Permaculture Design Course Date: September 6-19 Location: Wild Thyme Farm Oakville, WA Description: Wild Thyme Farm, a 140 acre evolving permaculture site and resource center, is located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes South of Olympia, WA. Situated within its own watershed the farm features a 100 acre second growth forest, turn-of-the-century barn, fruit & nut orchards, greenhouses, sauna, gardens, hot tub, streams, pond, cottages, and various micro-climates ranging from ridge-top meadows to low-land marshes and flood plains. Wild Thyme Farm has been a retreat center since 1989 and integrative permaculture principles have guided its evolution. This two-week intensive design course will examine the fundamentals of developing sustainable villages and communities that are bioregionally unique. Elements of village design to be discussed include: local economics, appropriate building strategies, edible landscaping, agroforestry, cottage industries, aquaculture, mushroom cultivation, site analysis, natural education, bamboo, livestock & wild-life, food forests, systems theory, and much, much more. Information is presented through such mediums as slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is one of the foremost urban permaculture designers in the U.S. and has developed sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW’s leading bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Southeast Asia. Michael Pilarski; founder of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. Cost: $675 (includes tuition, camping, materials, and all meals. Accommodations: Camping is free. Limited bunkhouse accommodations: $150. Guesthouse rooms: $200. Please inquire as to availability. Course is limited to 25 participants. Contact: Permaculture West 72 Mattson Rd. Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 10 14:23:22 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21244 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20218; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (coopext.cahe.wsu.edu [134.121.1.21]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22724 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:16:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by coopext.cahe.wsu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/24Aug94-0837AM) id AA32008; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:21:28 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sally Anne Sadler To: Permaculture West Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA question In-Reply-To: <19970609035022324.AAA8626@permawest.olywa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 61 Does anyone have a list of CSA's or subscription farming in the Denver area? I have some friends just mvoing there for medical residency. TIA, Sally Anne From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jun 14 10:40:03 1997 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by calzone.oit.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04791 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21294; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21161 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:33:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10821; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970614103718_519666990@emout10.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 6/11/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62 .Your Week's Worth 6/11/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1/2 lb Stir-fry mix 1 lb Emperor broccoli 1 ea Mei Qing pac choi 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 bu Sparkler radish 1 pt Fern strawberries 1 bu Purple Ruffles basil Berry Good Strawberries are looking good. The wild blackberries are starting to show a little color. The sweet peppers are blooming. The blight ahs gotten the best of our first potato planting. Sorry, looks like no red, white, and blue potato salad for the 4th. Remember, your Share Owner's Manual has a description of the veggies in your share and general cooking suggestions Shares Still Available We still have shares available. Don't forget our 4-week trial share for those uncertain about doing a full season or who want to see if CSA is for them. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jun 18 22:02:28 1997 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (port 36390 [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <15353-3603>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:01:44 -0400 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by sunsite.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02554 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20182; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:58:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout30.mail.aol.com (emout30.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.135]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20078 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout30.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA10464; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970618201336_1620917391@emout12.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm - 6/18/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Return-Path: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 Your Week's Worth 6/18/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Ruby Swiss chard 1 lb Emperor broccoli 1 bu Kohlrabi 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 bu Sparkler radish 2 lb Santa Rosa plums 1 pt Fern strawberries 1 bu Genovese basil 1 bu Italian flat-leaved parsley Plum delicious Santa Rosa plums are wonderful fresh, in jam, as sauce or salsa. These come from our friends Eric and Yarda Hansen, fourth generation Placer county farmers. Eric has taken his section of the family homestead organic and specializing in some of the more exotic fruits like pink-fleshed apples, kumquats, and blood oranges. It's pesto season! Here's our first bunch of Genovese basil. 1c basil leaves, 1/4c olive oil, 2 garlic cloves (1T), 1/4c toasted pinenuts pureed in a food processor, Then add 1/2c freshly-grated Parmesan cheese. Yummy! Try this with the Italian parsley subbed for the basil and pecans for pinenuts. This is the last week for radishes and broccoli. Summer squash are starting to set. There may be enough for shares next week. Cucumbers are starting to climb the trellis and bloom. We've seen the first eggplants emerging from their calyxes and there are green tomatoes on the vines. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jun 20 10:43:17 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11939 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24414 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17885; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:33:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17716 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ethel (dcn128.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.128]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA16464 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970620074415.0f477c1e@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eatwell Farm To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Missing Baskets.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organic@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 Ladies and Gentlemen.. We are having a problem with some our our baskets of produce going missing at one of our CSA pick-up locations. Each basket has a newsletter with a name on it, very rarely do we get someone taking the wrong basket. The location is a Cafe and the baskets are in a store room in the back. The cafe staff are busy and do not regulate who goes into the room. As the cafe does this service for us without payment we do not want to ask them to check off people and regulate who goes into the room. We have lost 3 baskets in the last 2 weeks. This is the only location where we have any problems but it is the most pulic one. Has anyone had the same problem? How did you tackle it? We would like to be as discrete as possible. You comments would be appreciated. Regards....Nigel Walker. ############################################################### Eatwell Farm..Just another podunk farm http://www.eatwell.com ############################################################### Frances & Nigel Walker.... (916) 756-7358 Eatwell Farm, 9420 Stevenson Br Rd, Winters CA95694 *************************************************************** ORGANICALLY GROWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA FOODS ACT OF 1990 *************************************************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jun 20 13:53:00 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14338 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (root@bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15855 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03798; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:42:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Omega.Capital.Net (root@Omega.Capital.NET [204.97.168.17]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03597 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:41:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [204.97.173.171] (Dialup171.518.Capital.NET [204.97.173.171]) by Omega.Capital.Net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA28290 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:47:59 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: fojo@capital.net (Francis J. Scheib) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Request for contact info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: fojo@capital.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 65 Would like address to contact Laura B. DeLind and/or Anne E. Ferguson who are at Michigan State Univ. They presented a paper at a conference in Madison WI recently on CSAs. The abstract was printed on the Net, and I'd like to contact them to find out if I could get a copy of their paper. Frank Scheib fojo@capital.net mailto:fojo@capital.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 9 17:38:20 1997 Received: from --fqdn (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07572 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by --fqdn (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12057 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10611; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from westbyserver.westby.mwt.net (westbyserver.westby.mwt.net [156.46.73.3]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10529 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:32:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 156.46.73.121 (ppp21.westby.mwt.net [156.46.73.121]) by westbyserver.westby.mwt.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07569 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:31:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <33C3AF3F.20DE@mwt.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 16:34:36 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Miekal And To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Gardener seeks winter position MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 66 To CSA-holders in winter-over zones: I'm interested in a finding a position at a CSA for the winter '97 season, so I'd like to correspond with those located in areas where this is possible, particularly Hawaii. I've been involved in village-based gardening for 4 years here in the lush Mississippi Valley, so I'm familiar with water-abundant gardening on a small community scale (20-40 people). I have working knowledge of all phases of gardening and have the capacity to guide coworkers. Currently I am one of the main gardeners at Dreamtime Village and also work at a nearby market-scale flower farm. The ideal time for me to start a position would be October. Replies are best met at: emadaite@hotmail.com Thank you, Heather Steele -- @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@# Dreamtime Village website: http://net22.com/dreamtime QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website: http://net22.com/qazingulaza e-mail for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 10 12:58:14 1997 Received: from --fqdn (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16107 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by --fqdn (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28088 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00597; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00192 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:51:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (klepetka@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA54314 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:51:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (klepetka@localhost) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id JAA10632 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Brad Klepetka To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: summer stuff for college-student types (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 can anyone help Emily? please respond directly to her, not me nor the list. thanks for your help. Brad Klepetka 206/685-6893 University of Washington 206/543-3041 (fax) Department of Zoology 24 Kincaid Hall Box 351800 Seattle, WA 98l95-1800 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: EWillis451@aol.com To: klepetka@u.washington.edu Subject: summer stuff for college-student types Hello there! My name's Emily, I'm about to be a junior at Oberlin College in Ohio. I'm already looking for ways to spend next summer (1998), and am wondering if any organic farms exist that room-and-board college students for the summer in exchange for manual labor (money need not be involved, and the harder the work, the better). Although I've had little experience with farming, I'm genuinely interested in learning and working and feeling like I'm actually contributing to something. Do programs like this exist? Do you know of any resources that might send me in the right direction? Web pages, phone numbers, addresses---I can do anything : ). Any leads you can give me would be fondly appreciated. Thank you!! -Emily Willis From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jul 13 22:15:13 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17193 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17234 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07514; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [206.84.208.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07439 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.200.117] ([192.168.200.117]) by renoir.op.net ($Revision: 1.13 $) with SMTP id WAA12512; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: infovore@Op.Net (Becca Shapley & Adrian Barnett) To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ihp.on-line@conf.igc.apc.org Subject: Save A Farm? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 Hello out there... I've been moved by an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer about the emminent auction of a 191-acre farm in West Chester, a rather urban area as things go. It seems very likely to go up for development, and yet is one of the last open areas in the area. It has an apple and peach orchard and the original farmhouse, stone, from the 1800's. The motivation for the sale appears to be to cover insurance costs for the 100-year old resident of the house, who broke her hip. She doesn't want to sell, but the family says they need the money to care for her. I realize this is a long shot, but does anyone out there have any ideas about how this could go differently? Know anyone who wants to open a CSA or community close to Philly, or do something that would keep this farmland from being built over? Open to suggestsions and Inspiration... Becca += =+ =+=+=+= =+=+=+= +=+=+=+=+=+=+ +=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Becca Shapley Adrian Barnett Environmental Education, Tropical Ecologist Ecology & Exhibit Development Expeditions, Journalism & Education 114 Petrie Avenue, Bryn Mawr, PA, 19010, U.S.A. Phone: (610) 525-8077 infovore@mail.op.net Fax: (610) 525-2539 +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ +=+=+=+=+=+=+= =+=+= + From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 14 20:47:50 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00247 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20626 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23187; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [206.84.208.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23119 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.200.65] ([192.168.200.83]) by renoir.op.net ($Revision: 1.13 $) with SMTP id UAA23456; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: infovore@Op.Net (Becca Shapley & Adrian Barnett) To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ihp.on-line@conf.igc.apc.org Subject: Contact info for AFT? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 Does anyone have information for getting in touch with the American Farmland Trust? This organization has been suggested for assisting in keeping the farm I wrote about earlier as open or farmed space. Any assistance would be great.. even a city or area code where they might be located would be a good start! Thanks, Becca += =+ =+=+=+= =+=+=+= +=+=+=+=+=+=+ +=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Becca Shapley Adrian Barnett Environmental Education, Tropical Ecologist Ecology & Exhibit Development Expeditions, Journalism & Education 114 Petrie Avenue, Bryn Mawr, PA, 19010, U.S.A. Phone: (610) 525-8077 infovore@mail.op.net Fax: (610) 525-2539 +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ +=+=+=+=+=+=+= =+=+= + From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 14 22:37:47 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01440 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19708 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA29929; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29864 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA09524; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:32:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ala-ca26-34.ix.netcom.com(207.93.42.98) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009474; Mon Jul 14 21:32:31 1997 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:34:54 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: whblake@ix.netcom.com (Bill Blake) To: infovore@Op.Net (Becca Shapley & Adrian Barnett), csa-l@prairienet.org, ihp.on-line@conf.igc.apc.org Subject: Re: Contact info for AFT? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: whblake@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 Hi again- AFT 1920 N Street, NW Suite 400 Washington, D.C. 20036 202-659-5170 I have other addresses from other areas if this one doesn't work. Also, Trust for Public Lands in S.F.: 116 New Montgomery St., Suite 400, San Francisco, CA 94105; 415-495-4014. Bill From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jul 15 16:18:39 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06966 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06926 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05010; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:27:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04914 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:26:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA15182 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:26:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma3-07.ix.netcom.com(206.217.145.71) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015152; Tue Jul 15 11:26:14 1997 Message-Id: <199707151626.LAA15182@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:59:22 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: Subject: Re: New to list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 Hi Mark wrote and asked me where I am, I thought after I sent it I should have included that, we are in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts next town to Worcester. Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jul 15 16:40:00 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05580 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07497 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24526; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24488 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA18651 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma1-25.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.57) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018624; Tue Jul 15 08:52:18 1997 Message-Id: <199707151352.IAA18651@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:28:48 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: Subject: New to list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 72 Hi just thought I introduce myself(ourselves). My husband, our friend and business partner and me are in the R&D of starting a CSA. Credentials: Pete(husband) grew up on dairy farm is no stranger to "farm" work, now a high school biology teacher who dreams of retiring in 5 years to be full-time farmer, Sean(friend) biology major who has been in medical sales for approx. 10 years and was "downsized" their loss our gain he is good at dealing with the "outside" nonfarm world, while he hopes to be able to get another real job he is going to continue working with us (added bonus his parents think this is a great idea and when we really get rolling think they'll hop on board), moi(Beth) BS in physical therapy presently an domestic engineer, while I did not grow up on a working farm I have been farm literate since childhood, my grandfather had a beautiful garden so unlike other kids I thought the only place you could get strawberries or corn was a garden and should only taste that good. My father kept a nice garden more yummy strawberries and corn....., we also had sheep pets and lawnmowers and horses, the critters however were sold by the time I was in high school. We live on the former dairy farm 85 acres an oasis in mist of much suburban growth. We have a small herd of Scottish Highland cattle (we have a rented belted galloway bull, next years crop will be a mixture), one miniature donkey, one chicken(didn't want to start big ha ha). The normal backyard garden. We would like our CSA to be an enjoyable experience for our members ie the animals, hike around the farm, in the future hayrides and other fun stuff.. Well I've ramble love to hear from you thank-you, Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jul 15 22:52:15 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22738 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20450 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16284; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16212 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:46:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22727 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20086 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: West Haven Farm (CSA) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 73 West Haven Farm Ithaca, New York, USA http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/ecovillage/westhavn.html For more information, contact: Jen & John Bokaer-Smith 116 Rachel Carson Way Ithaca, NY 14850 jcb13@cornell.edu mailto:jcb13@cornell.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 16 18:38:38 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05421 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01857 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21319; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from violin.aix.calpoly.edu (kpost@violin.aix.calpoly.edu [129.65.65.7]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21268 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by violin.aix.calpoly.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA60817; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:33:36 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Kathryn F. Post" To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: University/college CSA's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: kpost@violin.aix.calpoly.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 Hello everyone, my name is Kathryn Post and I'm a Master's student at Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo. I'm currently working on a thesis project that deals with developing a CSA farm program within a University or community college setting. I'm focusing on 4 elements: Farm and Community Organization, Education, Initial Funding and Future Goals and Objectives. It would be a great help to me if anyone could provide me with a list of all the attempted and operational CSA's within the United States that are located at colleges and/or Universities (whether they are part of the college program or not). Also, the contact names of the individuals in charge. In California, I know of three...UC Santa Cruz, Humbolt State, and I hear Cal Poly Pomona is initiating interest. Any other related information, funding ideas (successful grant proposals), resources, etc.. would be appreciated! I have yet to hear from CSANA on this subject. Thanks so much! Kathryn Post kpost@polymail.calpoly.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 17 09:37:29 1997 Received: from fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14253 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13385 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00994; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout29.mail.aol.com (emout29.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.134]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00698 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA13748; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970717092245_-823329376@emout04.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: Shiro@neworld.net, csa-l@prairienet.org, whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 7/16/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 Your Week's Worth 7/16/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 ea Chinese cabbage or Ruby Chard 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 bu Snow Baby onions 1 ea Eggplant -- Listada di Gandia, Louisiana Long, or Neon 2 lb mixed summer squashes 2-3 Sweet peppers 1 ea Armenian cucumber 1/2 pt Wild Blackberries 1 pt Fern strawberries 1 bu Purple Ruffles basil What is IT The sinuous, light green, ribbed thing in your share is an Armenian cucumber. It tastes like the familiar dark green cucs except it is never bitter, and generally, doesn't lead to the "cucumber burps." These guys need not be peeled and look pretty sliced because of the fluting. Larger ones can be cut in 2-3 inch slices, seeded and stuffed with your favorite salad i.e. tabouli, egg salad, tuna... We picked the wild blackberries for you this week -- Enjoy! Please save the berry baskets. The little ones are particularly hard to come by. We will wash them and give them back to you full. Scissor cut the purple basil over a plate of cucumber, pepper, and onion slices, crumble some feta cheese on top if you wish, and add a dash of rice wine vinegar. Quick and cool. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jul 20 14:50:06 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14119 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19397 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13236; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:38:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13128 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:35:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA16758 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma3-35.ix.netcom.com(206.217.145.99) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016755; Sun Jul 20 13:35:19 1997 Message-Id: <199707201835.NAA16758@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:37:50 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: Subject: CSA list question and NE Conference info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 Hi list I have a question on protocol I receive a few other list and commercialism is frowned upon. My ques. we are planning to offer Subscriptions to our farm for summer 1998 our first its so exciting and nerve racking, am I allowed to give the info here ie: e-mail, snail mail etc. for prospective customers to contact us. Of the many aspects of running a CSA finding members seems the most daunting, my husbands a good(well he needs a little more convincing on becoming fully organic,I'm working on him) gardener, I am fairly good (am learning) with animal husbandry etc. but "business" something we must learn. If this is not the forum if someone will point me in the right direction thank-you. Northeastern CSA is having a conference for info: http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA/ If I have messed up the address and you don't get in just type University of Massachusetts Extension that should be good. Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 21 00:05:51 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20330 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01904 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05016; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:59:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nora.psu.ac.th (nora.psu.ac.th [192.100.77.7]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04986 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th by nora.psu.ac.th with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036397682; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:01:22 +0700 Received: from ns.psu.ac.th ([203.154.139.100]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA29807 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:00:19 +0700 (GMT+0700) Message-Id: <33D2DDD0.64C0@ratree.psu.ac.th> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:56:00 +0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: dave patterson To: csa-l Subject: intro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 Dear List - Hello to all - as suggested, as a new user and a first posting, I will give a brief intro. My name is Dave Patterson - I am a CUSO volunteer (Canada) working in southern Thailand with SAAN - the Southern Alternative Agriculture Network. The network encompasses many smaller organisations, including such things as Savings Groups, agroforestry, the river basin and coastal resources network, rubber intercropping, community forestry, indigenous vegetables, farmer's rights, etc etc. I have been here for a year and a half now (following a year working in Bangkok) and find it all very interesting. If there is anything I can do for anyone from here, let me know. Now my first query: Recently, CUSO decided to explore CSAs as a potential option for small farmers to market their products (and, of course, a chance for consumers to get some better food!) in several of our volunteer-placement areas around the world, including southern Thailand - which is where I first got involved, and started exploring around the WWW - which is where I ran into prairienet. As far as I can determine, there is very little work in the area of CSA underway in Southeast Asia, but I thought that I would ask this group of people who know a lot more about CSA than I do if you know of any groups working in CSA around here? Personally, I find the whole idea of CSA very exciting, and am looking forward to being involved in the startup process here, and being involved with this discussion group as well (although I've heard a lot about discussion groups, I've never been moved to get involved before!). Thanks guys - talk with you all soon one way or another! dave From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 21 00:35:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20516 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14936 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06513; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:29:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06478 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:28:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from salkind.sirius.com (ppp015-sf5.sirius.com [205.134.236.15]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.6/Sirius-8.8.6-97.07.17) with SMTP id VAA18285 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970721042613.0069aac4@pop.sirius.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:26:13 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Heisler and Jesse Brown To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: intro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bonbon@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 In response to Dave Patterson who wrote from his CUSO post in Southern Thailand: Wow. I know nothing about CSAs in Southeast Asia (whether because it is not yet happening, despite - as I understand it - the initiation of the concept in relatively nearby Japan, or because I just haven't heard) but I sure look forward to the conversation that is likely to follow from Dave's query. Karen (deeply involved in a CSA with farming base and 1/3 of shareholders in Mendocino County, Ca. and remaining 2/3 in San Francisco). From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 21 09:33:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23195 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03202 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20792; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:28:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20743 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip220.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.220]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03564; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970721093636.29af659a@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: "Dan Hook" , csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA list question and NE Conference info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 > Of the many aspects of >running a CSA finding members seems the most daunting, As far as I'm concerned, posting your basic info and contact numbers/email is fine. It's possible somebody on the list would know somebody in your area and would pass along the details. More expedient, however, would be to call the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association and register your CSA with them. They keep a fairly comprehensive database of CSAs in North America and send lists of farms in an area to anyone who calls. (So if somebody's looking for Eastern Mass CSAs, they'll find your farm on a list.) The BD Assoc. can be reached at 1.800.515.7797. CSA of North America (whose web site holds info for the Northeast CSA Conference) provides a similar service and can be contacted at 413.528.4374. Call 'em both! Sarah Milstein Director of CSA Programs, Just Food From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 21 09:39:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23276 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05499 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21204; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:33:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21173 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:33:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip220.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.220]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07380; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970721094213.29af424e@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: dave patterson , csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: intro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 >Southeast Asia, but I thought that I would ask this group of people who >know a lot more about CSA than I do if you know of any groups working in >CSA around here? Hi, everyone. I know very little about CSA beyond the borders of Canada and the US, but I'd really like to learn more about international efforts. If you're responding to Dave's query (or anything else of general interest to the group), make sure that the address "csa-l@prairienet.org" (without the quotation marks) appears in the "To:" line of your outgoing message so that we can all read your responses. Otherwise, we'll each be emailing the original poster individually, but, of course, we won't be able to have a discussion. Thanks! Sarah From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 21 12:53:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26472 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09049 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03799; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:48:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03760 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:47:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [205.217.32.163] (8100.frogojt.com [205.217.32.163]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28812; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707211646.JAA28812@mom.hooked.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 09:47:43 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MESA To: "dave patterson" , "Members" Subject: int'l CSA brainstorming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 Dear Dave and CSA list members: I'm responding both to Dave's inquiry about int'l CSA development and to the members apparent interest in this topic. Because my non-profit organization, MESA, facilitates U.S. agroecological on-the-farm training programs for young international farmers--and especially because MESA seeks to a) invite the participation of more developing nations and b) offer more U.S. internships with CSA operations-- this seems the perfect forum to suggest pursuing a farmer-to-farmer program between SAAN, MESA and a few pioneering CSAs here in the U.S. beginning in 1998. If anyone is interested the best place to start out is MESA's website (http://www.wenet.net/~mesa/). Yes, there are Host Farm program fees and the need to provide room &/or board for international interns, however the program is quite affordable (vs. minimum wage labor) and will help nurture and support great notions like Dave's in small scale communities here and abroad. Thanks all! Best regards, Lauren E. Augusta, Executive Director Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA) 5337 College Ave., Ste. 508, Oakland, CA 94618 Tel. 510-654-8858/ Fax. 510-845-0861 http://www.wenet.net/~mesa/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 24 11:06:06 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01366 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05729 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13033; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:53:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12949 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA24155 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970724105304_-758719052@emout19.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Tools for Small CSA's X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 I am a one man operation CSA in Norhtern California and am interested in tips and tools for the very small farm. I have been selling at local farmer's markets since 1990, became a CSA in 1995 (CSA exclusive for two years) and now am both selling at local markets and distributing to members. Some of my favorite tools are: The Garden Way Planter: Cheap, light, versitile, body powered. I don't know of a better push planter. It is enough for my 4 acre (at max) operation. The "Asparagus to Zucchini Cookbook" from the folks at MACSAC: (Madison Area CSA Coalition (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ) The Cookbook was put together with CSA's in mind and is organized according to vegetable. A GREAT!!!! resource. (Thankyou MACSAC FOLKS!) The last is a wheelhoe made by the guy who got me started in organic vegetable growing 10 or so years ago. He has just got up a web page Valley Oak Tool Co. that you can access at www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool. I use it all the time. Great weed control close to the row. The last one is a simple eye hoe or grub hoe. I didn't discover them until I was 37 and I've been in agriculture all my life. With a sharp edge they are a dirt farmer's best friend. (I have a little article on it and other things- too big to put here - that I will e-mail you if you are interested.) I am looking for a real good hand pruner for my peaches and Asian pears. Any experience with one? I was also turned on to a great book for us little income, little farmers: the book Your Money or Your Life. I'd welcome your suggestions. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 24 11:14:22 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01443 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09373 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13891; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13859 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17183 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as5200-14.sl026.cns.vt.edu (as5200-14.sl026.cns.vt.edu [128.173.39.181]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22149 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199707241503.LAA22149@sable.cc.vt.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:03:04 +0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: jeanne A nye To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA in Northern Va? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Priority: 2 (High) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 83 Anyone aware of an organic CSA in northern Virginia? I would appreciate the information. Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 24 14:56:32 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05133 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20024 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29908; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:48:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29865 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:48:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA02677; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma1-14.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.46) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002591; Thu Jul 24 13:47:56 1997 Message-Id: <199707241848.NAA02677@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:49:48 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: , Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 84 Dear RfarmChico, enjoyed your post, my husband, our business partner, and myself are going to accept our first members for the summer 1998, and I have a ques for you since you are small and we will be as well, how did you get your first members, how many do you now have? Anyone answering Rfarm message please post to the list I crave all the information I can get :) Beth ---------- > From: RfarmChico@aol.com > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Tools for Small CSA's > Date: Thursday, July 24, 1997 10:53 AM > > I am a one man operation CSA in Norhtern California and am interested in tips > and tools for the very small farm. I have been selling at local farmer's > markets since 1990, became a CSA in 1995 (CSA exclusive for two years) and > now am both selling at local markets and distributing to members. > > Some of my favorite tools are: > > The Garden Way Planter: Cheap, light, versitile, body powered. I don't know > of a better push planter. It is enough for my 4 acre (at max) operation. > > The "Asparagus to Zucchini Cookbook" from the folks at MACSAC: > > (Madison Area CSA Coalition (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of > CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related > events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during > the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. > We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. > Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood > Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ) > > The Cookbook was put together with CSA's in mind and is organized according > to vegetable. A GREAT!!!! resource. (Thankyou MACSAC FOLKS!) > > The last is a wheelhoe made by the guy who got me started in organic > vegetable growing 10 or so years ago. He has just got up a web page Valley Oak Tool Co. that you can access > at www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool. I use it all the time. Great weed control > close to the row. > > The last one is a simple eye hoe or grub hoe. I didn't discover them until I > was 37 and I've been in agriculture all my life. With a sharp edge they are a > dirt farmer's best friend. (I have a little article on it and other things- > too big to put here - that I will e-mail you if you are interested.) > > I am looking for a real good hand pruner for my peaches and Asian pears. Any > experience with one? > > I was also turned on to a great book for us little income, little farmers: > the book Your Money or Your Life. > > I'd welcome your suggestions. > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 02:06:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12214 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17853 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA07978; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07944 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA15681; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970725020155_194074027@emout15.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico@aol.com To: guldann@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 85 How I got my first subscribers: I had sold at local farmers' markets for 5 years before becoming a CSA. I worked up a flier and began handing them out at the market. I also took out a classified ad in the local health food store's newsletter which is free. I also ended up being invited to give a talk about it to a local home owners group. I started out with about 30 subscribers, got up to about 45, and am now at around 25. I am fairly well known in the area and have had good news coverage of my little farm. It helps to be different and in a college town with several newspapers and newsletters going out from non-profit organizations. I have trades for auto mechanic and another for book keeping, I traded one share for a used heavy duty push mower. I was the first CSA in the area and encouraged company. Laughing Planet Farm was the second. I think they have about 40 members. This guy Mat has had another for about a year with about a dozen subscribers that I just found out about. He has discontinued it and is selling at the farmers markets. Two sisters (16 and 20 years old) from an old established farm family began another this spring, mostly selling fruit. As far as setup, Laughing Planet Farm seems to be the best. They are a young couple with one &1/4 acres. They built their modest residence over a large 2 car garage and have a small greenhouse. They built a small insulated room in their garage with an airconditioner. They harvest their produce and sort it into individual boxes, place it in the cool room and turn on the air conditioner for an hour and a half. Subscribers come and pick up their produce from the cool room. It is an intimate, efficient little operation. They got their subscribers much the same way as I did. Word spreads. For the first two years of CSA I gave up Markets entirely, devoting myself to my subscribers. Though valuable it was in part a mistake. I am now selling excess at market. Someone advised that they had lost more subscribers because they got too much than they had because they got too little. I replied that I thought we were going to run into difficulty if we thought we could do too much for our subscribers. I am now ready to eat my words. People want "enough" not "too much". They develop a lot of guilt about "waste". nuff fer now, thanks for the interest. Richard Roth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 08:30:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14743 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08116 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17608; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:23:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17573 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:23:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip38.an13-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.24.38]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12038 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970725083254.2b97a974@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 86 Hi, everyone. I just want to put in my .02 about the MACSAC cookbook. As the distribution manager for a large CSA (230 members at my site), I've found that one of the things members most value and that keeps them coming back from year to year are recipe sheets given out each week that provide ideas for particularly abundant or unusual vegetables. Without information on what to do with these veggies, many members would let them rot in their refrigerators -- generating a lot of waste and guilt. The MACSAC cookbook, and others like it, make it easy to photocopy a bunch of recipes at once and hand them out at your distribution. Also, you can order the books in bulk and sell them to your members (or even include the cost in the share price and give them out at the beginning of the season). By the way, not only is the MACSAC book a great CSA-oriented cookbook, but it has articles (by CSA members) about the importance of eating locally and tips for doing it, CSA-related resources, etc. Ordering info below. Sarah >> The "Asparagus to Zucchini Cookbook" from the folks at MACSAC: >> The Cookbook was put together with CSA's in mind and is organized >according to vegetable. A GREAT!!!! resource. (Thankyou MACSAC FOLKS!) >> >> (Madison Area CSA Coalition (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of >> CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related >> events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during >> the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. >> We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. >> Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood >> Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ) > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 08:34:43 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14988 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09701 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17928; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:28:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17897 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip38.an13-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.24.38]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13646 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970725083757.2b97db88@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: How I got my first subscribers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 87 Richard -- Thanks for sharing some of your history here. I found your points about not giving too much food to your CSA shares, and not letting go of your other markets, to be particularly important and quite relevant to farmers in the Northeast, too. Sarah At 02:01 AM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >How I got my first subscribers: > >I had sold at local farmers' markets for 5 years before becoming a CSA. I >worked up a flier and began handing them out at the market. I also took out a >classified ad in the local health food store's newsletter which is free. I >also ended up being invited to give a talk about it to a local home owners >group. I started out with about 30 subscribers, got up to about 45, and am >now at around 25. I am fairly well known in the area and have had good news >coverage of my little farm. It helps to be different and in a college town >with several newspapers and newsletters going out from non-profit >organizations. I have trades for auto mechanic and another for book keeping, >I traded one share for a used heavy duty push mower. > >I was the first CSA in the area and encouraged company. Laughing Planet Farm >was the second. I think they have about 40 members. This guy Mat has had >another for about a year with about a dozen subscribers that I just found out >about. He has discontinued it and is selling at the farmers markets. Two >sisters (16 and 20 years old) from an old established farm family began >another this spring, mostly selling fruit. > >As far as setup, Laughing Planet Farm seems to be the best. They are a young >couple with one &1/4 acres. They built their modest residence over a large 2 >car garage and have a small greenhouse. They built a small insulated room in >their garage with an airconditioner. They harvest their produce and sort it >into individual boxes, place it in the cool room and turn on the air >conditioner for an hour and a half. Subscribers come and pick up their >produce from the cool room. > >It is an intimate, efficient little operation. They got their subscribers >much the same way as I did. Word spreads. > >For the first two years of CSA I gave up Markets entirely, devoting myself to >my subscribers. Though valuable it was in part a mistake. I am now selling >excess at market. > >Someone advised that they had lost more subscribers because they got too much >than they had because they got too little. > >I replied that I thought we were going to run into difficulty if we thought >we could do too much for our subscribers. I am now ready to eat my words. >People want "enough" not "too much". They develop a lot of guilt about >"waste". > >nuff fer now, thanks for the interest. > >Richard Roth > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 10:37:17 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16548 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24311 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24791; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:28:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24757 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA27611 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970725102640_61700212@emout18.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Tools For Small CSA's X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 88 Hi My name is Wendy Martin. This is our farm's 9th summer, the 7th as a CSA. We're called Peace and Carrots Farm. The logo is a carrot standing upright with two pea pods leaning against it to form a peace sign. The carrot greens form a circle around it all. I started out with almost no money or tools and slowly acquired what I needed. Now I have an 8hp Troy-Bilt tiller and a 3hp Troy-Bilt, also a Mantis. Most of my two acre garden is in raised beds. Some are 3 or 4ft by 6 or 8ft. Other beds are 4x50ft. Our land is quite steep, so some beds are more like terraces. I like having the different weights and sizes of tillers for the different sorts of jobs they can do. I like the rolling planter with various seed plates. For squash I have a jab planter. I use a weedwacker around some of the beds. All year I collect newspapers, then they are used as mulch between beds...covered with hay. I get all the grass clippings from our town's cemetaries. These are used to mulch between plants. I use manure from nearby farms, granite dust, wood ashes, alfalfa pellets and compost as fertilizers. Sometimes I buy bagged organic fertilizer. To haul all this stuff, I use a 4WD ATV with an attatched cart. When I pick, I also use the ATV to haul vegies to the packing shed. The packing shed is a structure made with cedar poles and slab wood. To save on taxes, it is roofed with a tarp. There are 3 sinks and counter space made with fencing. The vegies are washed, then drain on the wire. There's a shed in the field full of various hand tools....like pruners, loppers, grass shears, shovels, spades. hoes, claws, asst. rakes, etc. This year I am using bamboo poles for bean poles and as the framework for pea trellises. The lower garden is fenced with deer netting held up by bamboo poles. The rest of the garden is fenced with welded wire. Deer pressure is terrible here. They used to wipe out about half of the garden. For picking days, we use an assortment of wax boxes gleaned from dumpsters, 5 gallon plastic pails and some large plastic tubs. There are many knives floating around for harvesting. We deliver vegies, flowers, herbs and some fruits. We pack individual vegies in plastic grocery bags, then tie each shareholder's order together with twine, making an easy to carry cluster of bags. Folks save bags for us all year. Flowers are delivered in gallon frozen strawberry tubs from a neighbor's jam business. We built a two-seater fancy outhouse by the road and packing shed for use by workers and customers. Our house is underground and back in the woods. This year there are two apprentices. I originally advertised through NEWOOF. I hired 2 women who cancelled out a week before their arrival!!!! So, I put out an offer on the Rainbow family list. Now there's a man from GA and a woman from NJ here, helping on the farm. One lives in a trailer, the other in an octagon. Shareholders have been as few as 6 and as many as 30. I have a chronic disease called lupus, which makes it hard for me to do too much work. I'm hoping to find a commited person or family who would like to take over the CSA operation. I have struggled along all these years, doing the bulk of work by myself. I'm hoping to share the homestead with others so we all have easier lives! I'm eager to hear more from other CSA's. Oh...I should tell you the farm is in north/central Vermont! See ya.... Wendy From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 13:03:10 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18558 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25689 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03716; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from net2.netacc.net (net2.netacc.net [206.28.142.2]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03678 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown (dial-dominion-24.netacc.net [206.28.143.91]) by net2.netacc.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25802; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 12:52:21 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Deb Denome" To: "Dan Hook" , csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's In-Reply-To: <199707241848.NAA02677@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> References: Conversation <199707241848.NAA02677@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> with last message <199707241848.NAA02677@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pnet1.prairienet.org id LAA03683 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 89 Dear Beth and others - Thought I'd add my two cents to the thread! I've been wanting to document this anyhow. Our CSA is near Rochester, NY and this is our first season. We just decided to do this for certain in January and started recruiting members in March. So far, we have 53 families signed on (about 36 full-shares - many are half shares). We are a biodynamic farm and a very participative CSA with regular workshops, festivals, and other events for our membership. The biggest new member recruitment method we used was Informational Meetings. We held informational meetings to share information both about the CSA concept and about our farm. I can also send an outline of what we talked about at the mtgs if you'd like. We advertised informational meetings on flyers and in the press. We hung flyers everywhere: -all local stores and shops that have public bulletin boards -anyplace 'alternative' within 40 miles (co-housing groups, alternative schools, LaLeche League, organic food buying coops/natural food stores, medicinal herb shops, spiritual centers, alternative 'doctors' offices, environmental groups, etc.) For many of these groups we gave one or more of the group 'leaders'more information about the farm so they could answer basic questions (basically the same info we handed out at the info mtgs). Several groups also added us to their newsletters. In the press we looked for "Community Events Calendars" that post happenings for free. We also put in calls to 'alternative column-writers' at the local papers and had two very nice articles written about us. 98% of the people who attended informational meeting signed on. People really like to meet the people behind the project. We also recruited a few core group members this way. We held info mtgs at various venues including a conference room at a local corporation, a town fire hall, and a spiritual retreat center - trying to touch areas where different types of people would be comfortable. Now that our informational mtgs are done (and we're focusing on GROWING!) we are creating a generic flyer to post around that tells people to call for more info (vs. attend a mtg for more info). We have 1 or 2 calls/week now from word-of-mouth references. We basically send out the same info packet that we gave out at the mtgs. All of this was a lot of work up front but we think it was worthwhile. We had a couple strong core group members to help with all this coordination/calling/mailing/posting/etc. Of course, if you're starting now for next year, you'll have a leg up on us and will be able to do a lot of the prep work over the winter. Hope this helps! Deb Denome Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY ddenome@netacc.net 'When nothing is certain, anything is possible.' ---------- > Dear RfarmChico, enjoyed your post, my husband, our business partner, and > myself are going to accept our first members for the summer 1998, and I > have a ques for you since you are small and we will be as well, how did you > get your first members, how many do you now have? From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jul 25 20:37:14 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23876 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01520 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29859; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:28:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29808; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:27:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UUP29728; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:27:04 EDT Message-Id: <19970725.202419.11678.8.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:24:17 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: RfarmChico@aol.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's References: <970724105304_-758719052@emout19.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-9,13-83 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 90 Rfarm: You don't mention what tool you use for tillage. While I use (temporarily, until we can get a spader) a tractor, moldboard plow, and disk for sodbusting/primary tillage, my standby for bed finishing, spot tilling and cultivation is an 8 HP BCS rototiller, middle of the line (they make 'em up to 14 horse). IMO, this one is far superior to the Troy-Bilt Horse...though I used the latter happily for several years. The BCS is made in Italy with a U.S. made engine. 2 grand and worth it. There are those who say rototillers are the worst thing you can use on garden soil...that they mix up the soil layers and homogenize soil particles all to the same size. Not my experience at all on our heavy clay when the tilling is done under the right moisture conditions. Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "There is no scarcity abiding in Nature; Any scarcity we see is our own doing." http://www.biodynamics.com/csa/scg.html On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:53:55 -0400 (EDT) RfarmChico@aol.com writes: >I am a one man operation CSA in Norhtern California and am interested >in tips >and tools for the very small farm. I have been selling at local >farmer's >markets since 1990, became a CSA in 1995 (CSA exclusive for two years) >and >now am both selling at local markets and distributing to members. > >Some of my favorite tools are: > >The Garden Way Planter: Cheap, light, versitile, body powered. I don't >know >of a better push planter. It is enough for my 4 acre (at max) >operation. > >The "Asparagus to Zucchini Cookbook" from the folks at MACSAC: > >(Madison Area CSA Coalition (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of > >CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related > >events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours >during >the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and >winter. >We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. >Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 >Brookwood >Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ) > >The Cookbook was put together with CSA's in mind and is organized >according >to vegetable. A GREAT!!!! resource. (Thankyou MACSAC FOLKS!) > >The last is a wheelhoe made by the guy who got me started in organic >vegetable growing 10 or so years ago. He has just got up a web page HREF="h >ttp://www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool">Valley Oak Tool Co. that you can >access >at www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool. I use it all the time. Great weed >control >close to the row. > >The last one is a simple eye hoe or grub hoe. I didn't discover them >until I >was 37 and I've been in agriculture all my life. With a sharp edge >they are a >dirt farmer's best friend. (I have a little article on it and other >things- >too big to put here - that I will e-mail you if you are interested.) > >I am looking for a real good hand pruner for my peaches and Asian >pears. Any >experience with one? > >I was also turned on to a great book for us little income, little >farmers: >the book Your Money or Your Life. > >I'd welcome your suggestions. > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 26 03:50:17 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27721 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11521 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA16975; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:44:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16941 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:43:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA01551 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:00:08 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: Community Supported Agriculture Subject: Re: needing numbers (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 91 Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: Sarah Milstein Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers I don't know if this is an appropriate question, or if anyone will help me out here, but I need to know generally what the possible net is per person per farm. I am a newly single (but always an only farmer) homeschooling 5 year farmer with mixed markets. Every year I learn more and get a little better at this but I am still shy of the net I need of 12,000 a year. I might make it this year but I just don't have a sense of what is reasonable to aim for, and the stakes are high as I may lose this place/occupation/life. I talk money with interns and a Wannabe Farm group in Seattle (they are 100 strong...a great hope, and more creative than I feel at this point in my life, which is TIRED!), but I don't know anyone else who does as a practice. Actually Bob and Bonnie Gregson talk money in their CSA handbook, Rebirth of the Small Family Farm, but I can't work as much as they do. They are on this island also, and the book is a great resource for new CSA'ers. If you will post to me, I would appreciate the info. and can hopefully make some more informed decisions. I would like to pass on the best thing that happened in my spring. A group of 20 homeschool kids from a nearby city came out once a week for 6 weeks, ages 4-14, and it was a blast. I didn't always feel I had the time to plan for their helping but the amount of work we got done was phenomenal, and they were so excited...One 8 year old boy told my son as they planted the winter squash, unsupervised, "You know before I came here I had never planted ANYTHING". I am planning a party in Aug. so they can all come back and eat corn and see how it looks. The opportunity to do real work was so satisfying for the kids, and it was good for my kids to see others being amazed at their knowledge, and that they were happy to work! Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 26 03:50:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27727 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11623 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA17015; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16945 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:43:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA01386; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:57:49 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: Sarah Milstein Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970725083757.2b97db88@pop.pipeline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 92 I don't know if this is an appropriate question, or if anyone will help me out here, but I need to know generally what the possible net is per person per farm. I am a newly single (but always an only farmer) homeschooling 5 year farmer with mixed markets. Every year I learn more and get a little better at this but I am still shy of the net I need of 12,000 a year. I might make it this year but I just don't have a sense of what is reasonable to aim for, and the stakes are high as I may lose this place/occupation/life. I talk money with interns and a Wannabe Farm group in Seattle (they are 100 strong...a great hope, and more creative than I feel at this point in my life, which is TIRED!), but I don't know anyone else who does as a practice. Actually Bob and Bonnie Gregson talk money in their CSA handbook, Rebirth of the Small Family Farm, but I can't work as much as they do. They are on this island also, and the book is a great resource for new CSA'ers. If you will post to me, I would appreciate the info. and can hopefully make some more informed decisions. I would like to pass on the best thing that happened in my spring. A group of 20 homeschool kids from a nearby city came out once a week for 6 weeks, ages 4-14, and it was a blast. I didn't always feel I had the time to plan for their helping but the amount of work we got done was phenomenal, and they were so excited...One 8 year old boy told my son as they planted the winter squash, unsupervised, "You know before I came here I had never planted ANYTHING". I am planning a party in Aug. so they can all come back and eat corn and see how it looks. The opportunity to do real work was so satisfying for the kids, and it was good for my kids to see others being amazed at their knowledge, and that they were happy to work! Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 26 07:44:21 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28645 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08269 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20794; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:38:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20761 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:37:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id HNC01928; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:38:52 EDT Message-Id: <19970726.073524.11694.1.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:35:23 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: BRateaver@aol.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's References: <970726032656_849798055@emout10.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,9-10,13-14,17-18,22,24-46,48-50,52-54,56-58 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 93 BRatleaver: Thanks for both posts this morning.. I shuddered at the prospect of using a moldboard plow but knew no other method of breaking sod (the ground had been in hay for many years) short of an unaffordable $6,000 spading machine. As for rice hulls on heavy clay --a good solution, I'm sure, for a backyard garden--let's look at the numbers: three inches of hulls on an acre equals about 10,800 cubic feet of the stuff...repeated and repeated again. At our CSA we're working 3 acres or so. Thus we're talking something like 100,000 cubic feet of rice hulls. That's 370 10-yard dumptrucks full. Hmmmm... Even an inch of compost on every square foot of growing space, as you suggest, would amount to more than 400 cubic yards...that's more than I have or could hope to have. Seriously, I'd very much like to hear other suggestions for our heavy clay. Biodynamic practices are helping a lot to build humus in this soil; for all the difficulties associated with moldboard plowing, the one thing we did accomplish was turning in massive amounts of organic matter from the roots of the established sod, and the BD preparations seem to have utilized this very well for humus building. Woody On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:26:58 -0400 (EDT) BRateaver@aol.com writes: >Mold board plow is the worst thing--. The damage is not that the >particle >size is made small or homogenous, but that the soil organisms are >disturbed, >moved out of the horizons in which they prefer to live. > >Interesting--Rodale press published a book by 4 writers, and one, the >only >PH.D., said it was bad to rototill and disturb the soil organisms, >while at >the same time Rodale publishes Org Gard mag that always carries tiller >ads. > >The best gardener I know uses raised beds on which he does NOTHING but >add an >inch or so of fresh, finished compost, each time he replants the beds. >Spectacular results. > ,> From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 26 17:59:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01783 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27466 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11774; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:52:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11734; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA00965; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970726175344_493183200@emout13.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico@aol.com To: michelle@animal.blarg.net, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, milstein@pipeline.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 94 I'm kinda new to e-mail/list/web but I think alot of information is being passed around out of sight. I posted a note on "Tools for Small CSA's" and I think alot of good information and response went directly to me. Well I think this list is a good tool, but only if us CSAers and wannabees use it so it can be used. Post it to the list! So I got this note, that I don't know if you all got, that asked about CSA net. During the two years I switched from farmers markets to strictly CSA I grossed 13,000 to 15,000 and netted 2,500 to 3,000. = Not enough. I am now doing both. I'd say a one person operation netting 10 thousand deserves a real word of congradulations! CONGRADULATIONS!!!!! GREAT JOB! HOW IN THE WORLD TO YOU DO IT????!!!!!! Post it to the net!!! Wanna be your buddy Richard Roth R farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 26 18:01:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01802 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28467 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11941; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11908; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA18689; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970726175653_-758402591@emout17.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico@aol.com To: michelle@animal.blarg.net, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 95 I forgot to add to my last post: I highly recommend the book "Your Money or Your Life." From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jul 27 14:42:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08921 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27808 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18595; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com (emout01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.92]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18564 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA02280; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970727143547_-691184634@emout01.mail.aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 7/23/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 96 Your Week's Worth 7/23/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 bu Ruby Chard 1 bu Bolero carrots 1 lb Stockton Red sweet onions 1 ea Eggplant -- Listada di Gandia, Louisiana Long, or Neon 2 lb mixed summer squashes 1 Sweet peppers 2 Anaheim chilis 1 ea Armenian cucumber 2 lb Peaches 1+ lb Flame Seedless grapes 1 bu Italian parsley 1 bu Genovese basil Friday Night Market Fun We learned something polling our Friday people to see about moving pick-up day to Thursday -- y'all preferred Thursday, anyway! So, starting this week, share pick-up at the Folsom site is on Thursdays. This will allow us to participate in the Friday Night Market in Grass Valley. They close off the main street in old town, have live music, and the local cafes supply hot food. Come up and see us. Also, PLEASE tell us if something would make your share more enjoyable i.e. getting it earlier in the week, having eggplant all the time, not having strawberries... Your calls and notes are the only way we know how we are doing. Things may not change immediately, but you will have an impact. Eggplant differences: Listada, ivory w/lavendar stripes-good for traditional dishes i.e. moussaka, eggplant parmesan, ratatouille. Neon is good grilled, or baked as in Iman Bayaldi. Louisiana Long Green is excellent cut lengthwise and grilled or cut like a sausage and used on pizza. Those new onions are Stockton Reds, a sweet summer onion. Chilies this week are Anaheims, aka California chili. They are mild ones used for chili rellenos and canned as diced chilies. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jul 27 17:36:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10194 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16219 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25189; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.85]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25145 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:29:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.86]) by mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.2jul97) with ESMTP id OAA21284; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08745; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707272132.OAA08745@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:32:00 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: MARCIEROSE@aol.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA & Community Gardens Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 97 Hi! We would like to find out more about CSA and Community Gardens wherever they may be. Please check our website and join our mailing lists. Sincerely, CJ Flores http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 28 00:28:27 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13889 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 00:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27557 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 00:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10776; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:20:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10706; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:19:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA28338; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:21:56 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: RfarmChico@aol.com Cc: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, milstein@pipeline.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers In-Reply-To: <970726175344_493183200@emout13.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 98 I make half my income on the nursery part of the business, selling vegetable starts mostly, but some herbs and flowers too. All of those sales happen from the end of March til mid June, at a self serve stand at my house. A lot of people here garden and I don't think I lose many produce sales because I also sell the plants. As we all know, its not that easy. I sell starts of varieties that I have trialed, mostly heirlooms, and they are very nice plants. What I don't sell I plant, and I do a salad mix with 60 ingredients so all that variety is a big draw. I sell mixed 4 packs of 4 var. lettuce, 4 var. Ital. greens, 4 var. Asian greens, etc. Once people get used to seeing all that lovely delicious stuff in their gardens it is hard to go back to the 6 packs from the grocery store. Also this is a small comunity so people feel free to call me or stop me in the library to ask about what they have planted, esp. tomatoes (always a challenge in the NW). Doing all that nursery stock when I need to plant here makes spring such a major haul, but I make the money I need for startup for the next year and for the winter. I like knowing in mid June that I can do it again next year! I do end up with less production in July than I like, but by August things are up to speed again. I do all starts for my plantings, and if you do as well, and esp. if you have more than one person, it can be a real help. Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 RfarmChico@aol.com wrote: > I'm kinda new to e-mail/list/web but I think alot of information is being > passed around out of sight. I posted a note on "Tools for Small CSA's" and I > think alot of good information and response went directly to me. > > Well I think this list is a good tool, but only if us CSAers and wannabees use > it so it can be used. Post it to the list! > > So I got this note, that I don't know if you all got, that asked about CSA > net. During the two years I switched from farmers markets to strictly CSA I > grossed 13,000 to 15,000 and netted 2,500 to 3,000. = Not enough. I am now > doing both. I'd say a one person operation netting 10 thousand deserves a > real word of congradulations! > > CONGRADULATIONS!!!!! GREAT JOB! HOW IN THE WORLD TO YOU DO IT????!!!!!! > > Post it to the net!!! > > Wanna be your buddy > Richard Roth > R farm > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 30 13:34:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02076 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20448 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12767; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:27:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12718 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA20535 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970730132640_1382256590@emout16.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: FranksFarm@aol.com To: RfarmChico@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: needing numbers X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 99 Hey, I too would like to start a small CSA. I'm very concerned about economics though. You mentioned that you had gross sales of almost $13,000 and netted ony $2-3,000. Can you tell me a little more about your opeartion, and experiences. Thanks. Best wishes . frank From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 30 14:36:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03340 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08482 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16585; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:31:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.85]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16528 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:30:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.2jul97) with ESMTP id LAA05596; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12312; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707301830.LAA12312@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:30:53 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: FranksFarm@aol.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Starting CSA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 100 Hi! Anyone provegetarian. We would like to start up farming operations for vegetarian peoples. Anyone interested please... Sincerely, CJ Flores http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 31 08:46:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19304 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25650 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA13741; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:40:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13657 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:39:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA06213; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970731083817_951027598@emout11.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 7/30/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 101 Your Week's Worth 7/30/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 bu Chioggia beets 6-7 Small tomatoes 1 lb Stockton Red sweet onions 1 ea Eggplant -- Listada di Gandia, Louisiana Long, or Neon 2 lb Zucchetta Rampicante (Italian trombone squash) 2 Sweet peppers - one colored, one green 1 ea Armenian cucumber 2 pts Strawberries 1+ lb Flame Seedless grapes 1 bu Genovese basil & Purple Ruffles Zucchetta Rampicante By now it's obvious we're fascinated by long, green vegetables around here. The new addition this week is a different summer squash called Zucchetta Rampicante, Italian Trombone Squash. The seeds are only in the bulb end, the neck is solid meat. Unlike other summer squash that can get soggy when overcooked, zucchetta stays firmer. Some say its flavor is similar to artichoke hearts. A taste of tomatoes! Orange Pixies, Stiletz, and Tigerella have produced in enough quantity for all of you to have the taste. The large slicers are just starting to turn color and seem to be running 1/2-3/4lb each! We can use some help tying up tomatoes. A couple of rows including our cherry tomato varieties are suffering from lack of time to tie them. If you can stand having a yellow tinge to your workclothes and skin until you wash them and enjoy a physical farm challenge, give us a call to volunteer some time to help. For those of you with August payments... A personal note: Your farmer, Marcie, has been ill with headaches and balance problems for a week. If you can volunteer time on Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Please give us a call. Thanks to those who have already pitched in. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 31 18:14:03 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01787 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05255 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18608; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:08:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Fox.nstn.ca (fox.nstn.ca [137.186.128.12]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18575 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:08:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ts1-10.tru.iSTAR.ca (ts1-10.tru.iSTAR.ca [137.186.32.233]) by Fox.nstn.ca (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA13084 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:08:42 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <199707312208.TAA13084@Fox.nstn.ca> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:32:30 -0400 Reply-To: nstn4475@fox.nstn.ca Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Karen Moerman" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: How do I unsubscribe? X-Sender: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 102 Hello I have enjoyed being on this list but, at present, need to unsubscribe. Would someone send me both the instructions on how to unsubscribe and how to resubscribe in the future? With thanks >From Karen in NS Canada From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 6 08:16:54 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25943 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05992 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA05908; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:10:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05837 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA21474; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970806080826_-936736825@emout04.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 8/6/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 103 Your Week's Worth 8/06/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 bu Ruby Chard 2 lb Yukon Gold potatoes 1 bu Nelson carrots 1 Mickey Lee watermelon! 1 lb Stockton Red onions 1 lb Tomatoes 1 ea Eggplant -- Neon 2 lb Mixed summer squash 2 Sweet peppers - colored, 4 Pablano (New Mexican) Chilies - 1 ea Armenian cucumber 2+ lb Flame Seedless grapes 1 bu Purple Ruffles basil & Italian parsley Watermelons and Big Rainbows! Our children have come home to feed us! In spring, we start melon plants for J.R. and Claudia Smith's Blossom Hill Farm in Auburn. These lovely folks organically grow some of the finest melons in the county. This year, we traded the labor of starting the plants for fruit in -season. Here's the first, enjoy! Phil and Bev Jones across the road have organic potatoes available again, Those who were with us last year know how tasty these spuds are. We'll be planting our own fall crop, soon. About half of you will get the first of the large-fruited, heirloom tomatoes. The yellow-orange ones are Big Rainbow and the pink-red ones are Radiator Charlie's Mortgage Lifter. One slice per sandwich is all you need. The rest of you have small-fruited and cherry tomatoes. Special thanks to Marin, Richard and Cassie Lipowitz, Judith and Jordan Gropp, Lisa Dumont, Carrie Walsh, David and Grace Pommerenke, Bill Blake and Jenny Kaye who provided extra helped last week. We still need help with tying tomatoes, weeding/runnering strawberries, and erecting trellises. If you can help, please call. These folks allowed us to get your shares to you and get a NEW MESCLUN PATCH started. We'll transplant lettuce, cabbage, broccoli, and yams this weekend. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 6 09:48:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27177 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26645 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10005; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:42:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bbt.se ([193.15.19.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09962 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: by MAIL.bbt.se (COM 3.44.10); Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:44:15 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 15:44 SST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: COM: JPD To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: JPD@com.bbt.se X-Mailer: COM 3.44.10 X-Com-Textno: COM733458 X-Com-Flags: LETTER X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 104 [Text 733458 from COM] subscribe soap-diagest From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 6 09:55:38 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27296 for ; 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Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28252 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10530; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.bbt.se ([193.15.19.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10431 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:49:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: by MAIL.bbt.se (COM 3.44.10); Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:52:03 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 15:46 SST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: COM: JPD To: csa-l@prairienet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: JPD@com.bbt.se X-Mailer: COM 3.44.10 X-Com-Textno: COM733466 X-Com-Flags: LETTER X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 106 [Text 733466 from COM] subscribe soap-digest subscribe candles-digest From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Aug 7 18:35:59 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04651 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16846 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20384; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:28:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bw.cea.edu (bw.cea.edu [206.14.112.225]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20181 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 206.14.112.28 (nickel.cea.edu [206.14.112.28]) by bw.cea.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA26385 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33EA4B33.6A7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 15:24:54 -0700 Reply-To: sandybar@earthlink.net Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sandy Bar Ranch To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Community Seeking Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 107 SANDY BAR IS LOOKING FOR NEW MEMBERS TO JOIN OUR COLLECTIVE Sandy Bar Ranch is a collective of four fun-loving hard workers creating a sustainable living/working alternative in the Klamath-Siskiyou mountains of Northern California. We're committed to working with the land and with each other. Our process is based on consensus and non-hierarchical organization. We run a variety of businesses including private cabin rentals, educational workshops, a fruit tree nursery, dried flower arrangements and other crafts. In addition, we have a 2 acre garden area which we are designing along permacultural principles and 40 other acres to tend. Our vision, as we learn and teach about our Bioregion, is to engage in constructive dialogue with all sectors of society to develop ways of living lightly on the earth. We are seeking people interested in collective living and permaculture, with experience in general maintenance, gardening, hotel management, marketing and computer skills. Good communication, self-motivation and a sense of humor are essential. Prospective members would start with a 2-month work exchange position. Contact us at: PO Box 347, 797 Ishi Pishi Road, Orleans, CA 95556. Tel: (916) 627-3379. You can also e-mail us at: sandybar@earthlink.net, or visit our Web site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~sandybar From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 10 01:37:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19591 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04192 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA29831; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29000 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:15:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19382 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA05077 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA query results (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 108 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:46:21 -0500 From: "John A. Hendrickson" To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: CSA query results SANET folks, A while ago I posted a query looking for detailed CSA handbooks or how-to guides. As promised, here are the results. I got many responses but lots for the same publications (I've left off duplications). Thanks to ALL who responded. -John * * * * * *. Here is my brief list of publications with CSA how-to info. Keith Richards, Southern SAWG PUBLICATIONS on CSA: Basic Formula to Create Community Supported Agriculture by Robin Van En. Step-by-step guide to forming a CSA, including budget, harvest and distribution information. 80 pages. $10.00 postpaid. From Indian Line Farm, Box 57, Jugend Road, Great Barrington, MA 02130. Community Related Agriculture. Brochure outlining the organization and planning of Community Farms, CSAs, and Subscription Farms. 10 pages. $1.00 + SASE. From the Bio-Dynamic Farming Association, P.O. Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19422. Community Supported Agriculture by Robyn Van En & Cathy Roth. University of Massachusetts Cooperative Extension Publication C-212. A basic introduction. 4 pages. $2.00. From Bulletin Center, Cottage A. Thatcher Way, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003. U-Mass Publication Office: 413/545-2717 Community Supported Agriculture (CSA): Making the Connection by Bill Blake et. al. Handbook for farmers, includes information about getting started, designing CSAs, recruiting members, creating production and harvest plans, setting share prices and legal issues. Incorporates ideas and strategies of many successful CSAs. $31.81 (make check payable to UC Regents). UC Cooperative Extension, Attn: CSA Handbook, 11477 E Avenue, Auburn, CA 95603; phone (916) 889-7385. "CSA Farm" by Hugh Lovel. Acres USA, August, 1992, pp. 35-36. The experiences and insight of a Georgia farmer after five years of operating a CSA. Farms of Tomorrow: Community Supported Farms and Farm Supported Communities, 1990, by Trauger Groh & Stephen McFadden. CSA philosophy and practice. 176 pages. $12.00 + $2.00 postage. From the Bio-Dynamic Farming Association, P.O. Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19442; 800-516-7797 or 215-935-7797. The Harvest Times, P.O. Box 27, Mt. Tremper, NY 12457; 914-688-5030. A newsletter offering assistance to CSAs with information on operations, promotions, and organized groups. Subscription $10.00/year. Our Field: A Manual for Community Shared Agriculture, 1994, by Tamsyn Rowley and Chris Beeman. Community Shared Agriculture (CSA), often called "Community Supported Agriculture" in the U.S., is described and promoted as means for farmers to better connect with community members and for community members to have more influence over how food is produced. Chapters focus on beginning and marketing CSA projects, as well as on the best agricultural practices suited to CSA. Includes appendix of CSAs across Canada. 89 pages. Canada$15. Tamsyn Rowley, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G 2W1; phone 519-824-4120 ext. 8480; fax 519-763-4686. Rebirth of the Small Family Farm, 1996, by Bob and Bonnie Gregson. Tells one family's story of beginning and operating a small, organic vegetable farm in Washington run on community supported agriculture (CSA) model. Provides general information about managing small-scale farms, describing start-up requirements, crop selection, marketing strategies and related topics. Includes resource list of periodicals and organizations related to organic farming and CSAs. 64 pp. $9.95. IMF Associates, P.O. Box 2542, Vashon Island, WA 98070; 206-463-9065. Toward an Agricultural Ethic, by Bonner McAllester and illustrated by Victoria Reed. A capsulization of a six-week long study circle to determine the basis of an 'agricultural ethic' in Berkshire County, Massachusetts by a small community group including local farmers,a banker,environmental lawyer,professor of humanities and others. $1 each or multiple copies upon request from: CSANA or UMASS/ Berkshire County Cooperative Extension, 44 Bank Row, Pittsfield, Ma. 01201. * * * * * * 1996 CSA FARM NETWORK by the Northeast Organic Farming Association. This is an 88 page directory of CSA's in the northeast, with several informational chapters, including forming CSA's, specialty crops, core group development, keeping people happy. Contributors include Elizabeth Henderson, Michael Doctor, Steve Gilman, and more. This was a Sare funded program, coordinated by Steve Gilman of NOFA NY. (Steve Gilman, CSA Farm Network, 130 Ruckytucks Road, Stillwater, NY 12170). Copies available from all the NOFA chapters: Send $7.50 (includes postage) to NOFA-NJ 33 Titus Mill Rd. Pennington NJ 08534. from: Emily Brown Rosen Technical Director NOFA-NJ * * * * * * Maximizing Shareholder Retention in Southeastern CSAs: A step toward long term stability. by Deborah Kane and Luanne Lohr, University of Georgia. To request a free copy, contact: Deborah Kane, Institute of Ecology, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia 30602-2202. E-mail: dkane@uga.cc.uga.edu Hope this helps, Deirdre Deirdre M. Birmingham * * * * * * (Note: I think most of the following are shorter articles, not detailed, how-to handbooks for growers. -John) Furusawa, Koyu. 1994. "Tei-Kei: Partnership between farmers and consumers" in ILEIA Newsletter (pp 10-11) Getz, Arthur. 1991-92. "Design for Community: Consumer-Producer Co-Partnerships: A Direct Marketing Approach" in PERMACULTURE ACTIVIST (Vol. VII#3 (pp 3-10) Gibson, Eric. 1993 "Community Supported Agriculture" SMALL FARM NEWS (nov/dec), Univ. of California (pp 1, 3-4) Hoffman, Judith. 1996. "Community Supported Agriculture--Part II" in THE NATURAL FARMER - Special Supplement on Community Supported Agriculture Laird, Timothy. 1995. CSA: A STUDY OF AN EMERGING AGRICULTURAL ALTERNATIVE (MSc Thesis for Natural Resrouce Planning dept. of the University of Vermont, Burlington) Lamb, Gary 1994. "Community Supported Agriculture - can it become the basis for a New Associative Economy?" in BIODYNAMICS (Nov/Dec) pp 8-15 Amunda Salm Canada * * * * * * END John Hendrickson Center for Integrated Agricultural Systems University of Wisconsin-Madison 1450 Linden Drive, Room 146 Madison, WI 53706 jhendric@facstaff.wisc.edu (608) 265-3704 FAX (608) 265-3020 http://www.wisc.edu/cias From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 10 10:52:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27777 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27759 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12140; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:46:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ing1.SAGIV-D ([192.116.118.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12102 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ing1 (unverified [192.116.118.17]) by ing1.SAGIV-D (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:42:44 +0300 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:31:14 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: casinomarket@mail.correy.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Searching for representatives X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 109 Dear Friend! 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Funny thing we attended one day of the NOFA summer conference yesterday it was great wish we could have attended the 3 days, but some of the authors of these books were there. Thank-you, Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 10 23:00:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15544 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24834 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10700; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10642 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:53:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15312 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21420 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Spader Clinic at BD Conference (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 111 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:32:06 -0400 From: Intergalactic Garage To: bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: Spader Clinic at BD Conference FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Great News!! Eugene Canales (BIODYNAMICS #210-212) of Ferarri Tractor has offered to conduct a "spading" clinic at the East Coast Biodynamic Conference Oct 3-5. The Claymont Court Agricultural Project, the site of the conference, has been using a 7ft Tortella spader with a recent model 70-hp John Deere tractor with optional low gearing for the past year. It is Eugene's intention to use this equipment to show in the field the 'whys and hows' of spading as well as demonstrate some 'tricks of the spade' and answer questions from spader users and those interested in using spaders on their beds and fields in the future. The Claymont growers will be on hand to discuss their experiences with this appropriate approach to tillage. (They LIKE their spader!!) The presentation is in addition to the lecture on 'Walking Tractors' by Eugene Canales which was announced previously. This presentation will be demonstrated with the BCS line of walking tractors and may even include a demonstration of the BCS walk-behind spading machine!!! (Highly recommended by Elliot Coleman for the 'small' producer.) Other European 'walking tractor' lines will be discussed and there will be a slide show and questions and answers. [I hope my enthusiasm for these two events is not construed to be commercial. I have not seen many opportunities for alternative growers to find experienced information on these worthwhile and practical approaches to tillage and cultivation and am happy that we will get an opportunity to provide this information at the East Coast Biodynamics Conference.] The East Coast Biodynamic Conference ("Alan Chadwick: 30 Years Later") is being held at Claymont Court in Charles Town, WV (about 90 minutes from downtown Washington DC) Oct 3-5, 1997. It is being partially sponsored by the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association and the Demeter (BD Certification) Association with a little help from Record Tools (marketers in North America of the famous Sheffield England D-handled "Bulldog" spades popularized by Alan Chadwick). Trade Show space is available at this conference. (Yes, there will be stirring machines AND flow forms demonstrated!) 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.his.com/~claymont/bda.html Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 11 16:01:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22140 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25000 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25408; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:54:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from igc7.igc.org (igc7.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.35]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24653 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from igc3.igc.apc.org (igc3.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.33]) by igc7.igc.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20745 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fnhp (ip-pdx37-46.teleport.com [206.163.127.220]) by igc3 (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20213 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33F01396.2EF1@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:41:11 -0700 Reply-To: fnhp@teleport.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Joe Franke To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Permaculture/agroforestry training for the tropics? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 112 Hi All, We're looking for suggestions as to training programs in permaculture and agroforstry for the wet and dry tropics. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. <<<<=-=-=-=-=-{{{{}}}}-=-=-=-=-=>>>> Joe Franke First Nations Health Project, Inc. 7435 SW 31st Ave. Portland, OR 97219 USA Phone/FAX: (503)977-3028 E-Mail: fnhp@teleport.com <<<<=-=-=-=-=-{{{{}}}}-=-=-=-=-=>>>> From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 11 18:07:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27217 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27862 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02625; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:55:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (uucp@access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.178.11]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02584 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:55:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id QAA00794 for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:56:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from indigo.wpg.cwb.ca by green.wpg.cwb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39104; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:48:39 -0500 Received: from ccMail by indigo.wpg.cwb.ca (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA871343315; Mon, 11 Aug 97 16:40:47 CDT Message-Id: <9707118713.AA871343315@indigo.wpg.cwb.ca> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 16:40:47 CDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Pat_Elazar@cwb.ca To: RfarmChico@aol.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, woodyw@juno.com Subject: Re[2]: Tools for Small CSA's & Moldboards etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 113 We too used to plow with an International 4 bottom after hay leys in our organic plots of heavy clay. We also used a heavy Ghirardi plow in our conventionally farmed lands after cotton. We found that depending on moisture levels and the equipment, there was less inversion of soil layers with the international- although there was some soilmixing of course. In addition to the tradional moldboard, we used a John Deere spring-mounted chisel plow with straight shanks for most jobs. Two passes allowed us to cut a furrow for large seeds, or lightly till or harrow for small grains & vegetables. We also used an International 3' subsoiler with no wings on the shanks on breaking very hard ground. Two passes with this & another passes with a 2-way disk was adequate preparation for orchard planting. Both of these are less invasive methods of tillage in heavy clay, allowing for maximum trash retention & minimum soil inversion. I have also seen the 8hp BCS used with great effect as a walk-behind tractor for traction & cargo hauling in remote areas of former Yugo, Cyprus & the Palestinian autonomous zones where 1\2 tons or wheeled tractors could not enter. The BCS unit has great attachments (plow, snow-blower etc) that may be useful to you (depending on the circumstances) or not. Over the long run (10-15 years heavy use in stony ground), the Troy-built seems to be a little more durable... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Tools for Small CSA's Author: woodyw@juno.com at INTERNET Date: 7/25/97 7:37 PM Rfarm: You don't mention what tool you use for tillage. While I use (temporarily, until we can get a spader) a tractor, moldboard plow, and disk for sodbusting/primary tillage, my standby for bed finishing, spot tilling and cultivation is an 8 HP BCS rototiller, middle of the line (they make 'em up to 14 horse). IMO, this one is far superior to the Troy-Bilt Horse...though I used the latter happily for several years. The BCS is made in Italy with a U.S. made engine. 2 grand and worth it. There are those who say rototillers are the worst thing you can use on garden soil...that they mix up the soil layers and homogenize soil particles all to the same size. Not my experience at all on our heavy clay when the tilling is done under the right moisture conditions. Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "There is no scarcity abiding in Nature; Any scarcity we see is our own doing." http://www.biodynamics.com/csa/scg.html On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:53:55 -0400 (EDT) RfarmChico@aol.com writes: >I am a one man operation CSA in Norhtern California and am interested >in tips >and tools for the very small farm. I have been selling at local >farmer's >markets since 1990, became a CSA in 1995 (CSA exclusive for two years) >and >now am both selling at local markets and distributing to members. > >Some of my favorite tools are: > >The Garden Way Planter: Cheap, light, versitile, body powered. I don't >know >of a better push planter. It is enough for my 4 acre (at max) >operation. > >The "Asparagus to Zucchini Cookbook" from the folks at MACSAC: > >(Madison Area CSA Coalition (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of > >CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related > >events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours >during >the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and >winter. >We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. >Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 >Brookwood >Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ) > >The Cookbook was put together with CSA's in mind and is organized >according >to vegetable. A GREAT!!!! resource. (Thankyou MACSAC FOLKS!) > >The last is a wheelhoe made by the guy who got me started in organic >vegetable growing 10 or so years ago. He has just got up a web page HREF="h >ttp://www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool">Valley Oak Tool Co. that you can >access >at www.sunset.net/valleyoaktool. I use it all the time. Great weed >control >close to the row. > >The last one is a simple eye hoe or grub hoe. I didn't discover them >until I >was 37 and I've been in agriculture all my life. With a sharp edge >they are a >dirt farmer's best friend. (I have a little article on it and other >things- >too big to put here - that I will e-mail you if you are interested.) > >I am looking for a real good hand pruner for my peaches and Asian >pears. Any >experience with one? > >I was also turned on to a great book for us little income, little >farmers: >the book Your Money or Your Life. > >I'd welcome your suggestions. > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 11 22:41:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08465 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01152 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17976; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17937 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:30:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08253 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA13674 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Washington and Idaho Farm Tours (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 114 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture Subject: Washington and Idaho Farm Tours ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:08:11 -0700 From: Colette DePhelps To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu, sawg@lists.desktop.org Subject: Washington and Idaho Farm Tours ORGANIC, SUSTAINABLE AND DIRECT MARKETING FARM TOURS OFFERED IN WASHINGTON AND IDAHO The Palouse-Clearwater Environmental Institute (PCEI) is offering its third annual series of farm tours in Idaho and Washington. This year's tours series, which runs from August to October, will emphasize the importance of local food production and marketing. The purpose of the tours is to increase community knowledge and support of local agricultural products produced using sustainable and organic production methods. Featured farms range from sustainable hay production on steep Palouse slopes, to small-scale organic vegetable and flower production. The tours will provide an opportunity for regional producers to learn about the benefits and challenges of local production and direct marketing, and for consumers to better understand how they can participate in their local food systems. Tour participants will see, first hand, the environmental benefits of alternative production systems. Participants will also participate in active discussions of how local production and marketing enhances the quality of life and economic viability of local communities. The tours are open to all -- farmers, consumers, extension agents, policy makers, 4-H youth, Future Farmers of America, environmental advocates and university students. For the first time, tours will be held in the late summer and fall, providing returning university students with an opportunity to attend. Tours will be offered in: Sandpoint (Greater Sandpoint area) August 16, 1997 Wenatchee Valley (Wenatchee, Chelan) August 21, 1997 Palouse Region (Pullman, Moscow, Potlatch area) September 20, 1997 Kootenai and Spokane Counties (Coeur d'Alene, Spokane area) September 24, 1997 Clearwater Valley (Lapwai, Lewiston, Clarkston area) October 18, 1997 Each tour will include a catered meal featuring local, sustainably grown food and transportation in an air-conditioned bus. Cost per person, per tour, is $20.00 for persons registering at least one week prior to the tour date. The registration fee for late registrants is $25.00. The tours are co-sponsored by the PCEI Community Food Systems Program, University of Idaho Cooperative Extension, Washington State University Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources and local chambers of commerce. Financial support comes from Patagonia, Inc. and the Jessie Smith Noyes Foundation. For more information or to receive a tour brochure, contact: Colette DePhelps Community Food Systems Program Coordinator "Looking more deeply than usual at things, one wonders at how immense tiny things are, and how tiny immense things are too. Like dinosaurs (used to be) and like neutrons. ~Stine" =================================================================== Palouse-Clearwater Environmental Institute P O Box 8596; 112 West 4th St; Suite #1 Moscow ID 83843-1096 Phone (208)882-1444; Fax (208)882-8029 url: http://www.moscow.com/pcei Thomas C. Lamar, Executive Director: lamar@pcei.org Kathleen Lester, Office Manager: lester@pcei.org Adam R. Thornbrough, Watersheds: thornbrough@pcei.org Colette DePhelps, Community Food Systems: dephelps@pcei.org Kathy Roos, Transportation Education: kroos@cyberhighway.net Celebrating eleven years of connecting people, place and community. =================================================================== From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 13 09:30:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23825 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23370 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23744; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23672 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:21:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21806; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970813092103_-219374813@emout13.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm - 8/13/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 115 Your Week's Worth 8/13/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 bu Chioggia beets 1 Mickey Lee watermelon! 1 bu Nelson carrots 1 Orange-flesh honeydew 1 lb Stockton Red onions 1-2 lb Big Rainbow or 1 ea Eggplant -- Listada Radiator Charlie's 2 lb Zucchetta Rampicante Mortgage Lifter 3 Sweet peppers - colored, 1 pt Cherry tomatoes 1 ea Armenian cucumber 2 lb Asian pears 1 bu Genovese basil Asian Pears & Orange Honeydew Bryan and Steve have bigger and better Shinseiki pears than ours, so that's what you've got this week. Eaten crisp like an apple, these guys are unusually refreshing. Two melons this week - the Mickey Lee and an orange-fleshed honeydew. Eat the honeydew right away, they're ripe. Summer squash is starting to fade and winter squash is starting to harden. We've ordered seed potatoes anda await their arrival. Lettuce and Napa cabbage were transplanted this week. Spinach and mesclun were direct seeded. Late beans, peas, Snow Baby onions, carrots, radishes, new Chioggia beets and broccoli will hopefully go in this weekend. More lettuce, Napa and head cabbages, kale, new chard, cauliflower, and broccoli are already growing in the greenhouse. Some of you already know our cooler has essentially died. It will take on the order of $1000 to repair or replace. An expense definitely not in this year's budget. We have a line on a possible replacement but need cash to secure it. If you have not yet sent your August 1 payment, please do so immediately. If you owe us a payment on August 15, please pay on time. If you are not sure, give us a call. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Aug 23 09:30:05 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23189 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15846 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21059; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:25:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21007 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21792 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708231325.JAA21792@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:20:45 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Pulling back from CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 116 Well, after seven years of trying to get an involved core group and fully-functional CSA started here at my farm near New York State's #3 tourist destination, I'm taking a year off. I am putting my energy into my full-time temporary off-farm job and becoming a permanent employee there or elsewhere, fixing up the house and taming the perennial gardens so that the place is in saleable condition rather than sagging because I've been out pulling weeds instead of mending and painting trim, and doing some serious traveling and investigation of other places to live. I am seriously leaning toward selling the farm and relocating someplace where mindsets are a teeny bit more slanted toward community -- I'm about equally attracted at this point to Ithaca, NY (about 40 miles away) and Vancouver, BC or maybe Seattle, WA. I'm not quitting, just pulling back and not making any more big recruiting efforts. I will accept 10 CSA participants for next year. Minimum financial commitment is $300 for the year, minimum time commitment is attendance at eight two-hour planting and weeding parties. There are almost 200,000 people within twenty miles of me and I am the only organic farm in that area -- think I can find 10 who will make those commitments? Of my fifteen members for this year, ten signed up for working shares. Not one of them ever showed up to work. The minimum financial commitment was supposed to be $100, seven paid half and promised to pay the other half within 30 days. Next week is the final $6.25 delivery on the $50 credit; not one of them ever sent that other check despite two friendly reminders so they're not getting any more produce once their credit is used up. People around here -- and not just around here, I know, it's a National Epidemic -- just are addicted to convenience and don't want to do anything for themselves any more. The one remaining U-pick farm in our area is going under, this year he did less than 20% as much planting as he has in previous years. He's selling everything now to the processing plant at 25% of what he got from the U-pick folks. My CSA folks have been pushing and complaining since the beginning that they want me to deliver the stuff to their door as well as grow it without any help -- and not pay anything for the labor or the delivery. Cooking it for them and delivering at mealtime would be a plus. I guess I could chew it for them, too. I'm "too far out" -- a whole five miles from town. I still think that I've been doing the right thing, just maybe in the wrong place and certainly with the wrong group of people. So I'm backing off before I become as bitter and resentful as every single one of the old farmers I know. When I asked one of them recently why he hasn't gone to IPM and transitioned to organics he actually replied "So what if the stuff poisons 'em [the people buying his crops] -- they haven't cared that I'm working until I'm sick in all kinds of weather and going out of business and losing my home because they won't pay a fair price for what I grow." Chills went up and down my spine at his bitter and heartbroken words. I will certainly quit before I get to that point -- but I sure know exactly how he feels. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html (presently closed for reconstruction) From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Aug 23 14:21:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26939 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05752 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01071; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01016 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:15:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OQS24284; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:14:52 EDT Message-Id: <19970823.140732.9750.3.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:07:30 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Pulling Back... X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,13-14,23-24,26-27,29-30,32-33,35-36,38-39, 45-56,58-150 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 117 Dori: I am saddened beyond measure by your post. No one could say you haven't tried your best. Today is one of two weekly distribution days here at Seeking Common round CSA. We're within 80 miles of you, south of Rochester, NY, and in our startup year we had no real problem recruiting 60 member families [10 full share and 50 half share]. In the field and distribution shed this morning I have 5 adults and two children, plus an intern, washing and bunching veggies, laying mulch and finishing up the harvest. Last Saturday it was about the same. Later today we expect a nice turnout for our third educational workshop, "Your Organic Yard," put on by a member-volunteer who's a landscaper by trade. The difference between our experience and yours? I'm not sure, but a large part of it must have to do with the active, committed core group that conceived this project last Fall and recruited me as grower during the Winter. This group of seven women have juggled jobs, family, and the rest of their complex life demands to coordinate distribution twice a week, a bi-weekly newsletter, keep track of members' work {8 hours per half share], family festivals, co-op child care, public meetings, publicity, workshops, bookeeping, and all the rest--so I can concentrate on growing vegetables. Most of our folks travel 15-20 miles to the farm for the weekly distribution, and several travel much further. OK, it remains to be seen how many of our members will go beyond the novelty of the thing and re-up for next year...but I'm confident. You seem more or less undeterred. Good for you for considering relocating and carrying on the CSA ideal. Later: Another thought or two, after I've had the chance talk about your communication with a couple of our core group people today... * We invite you, most coridally, to come to our harvest festival on September 20, 6:00 PM. * And it's not been as easy as perhaps I've made it sound. That "juggling" I mentioned the core group doing is a tremendous challenge for them. I don't have that particular problem, as my life is my work; my challenge has been more technical, trying to coax vegetables out of first-year ground, heavy clay at that. Yields have been poor to middling, but the soil shows good response to the Biodynamic treatment. All the best, Woody Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "There is no scarcity abiding in Nature; Any scarcity we see is our own doing." http://www.biodynamics.com/csa/scg.html On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:20:45 -0400 "Dori Green" writes: >Well, after seven years of trying to get an involved core group and >fully-functional CSA started here at my farm near New York State's #3 >tourist destination, I'm taking a year off. > >I am putting my energy into my full-time temporary off-farm job and >becoming a permanent employee there or elsewhere, fixing up the house >and >taming the perennial gardens so that the place is in saleable >condition >rather than sagging because I've been out pulling weeds instead of >mending >and painting trim, and doing some serious traveling and investigation >of >other places to live. I am seriously leaning toward selling the farm >and >relocating someplace where mindsets are a teeny bit more slanted >toward >community -- I'm about equally attracted at this point to Ithaca, NY >(about >40 miles away) and Vancouver, BC or maybe Seattle, WA. > >I'm not quitting, just pulling back and not making any more big >recruiting >efforts. I will accept 10 CSA participants for next year. Minimum >financial commitment is $300 for the year, minimum time commitment is >attendance at eight two-hour planting and weeding parties. There are >almost 200,000 people within twenty miles of me and I am the only >organic >farm in that area -- think I can find 10 who will make those >commitments? > >Of my fifteen members for this year, ten signed up for working shares. > Not >one of them ever showed up to work. The minimum financial commitment >was >supposed to be $100, seven paid half and promised to pay the other >half >within 30 days. Next week is the final $6.25 delivery on the $50 >credit; >not one of them ever sent that other check despite two friendly >reminders >so they're not getting any more produce once their credit is used up. > >People around here -- and not just around here, I know, it's a >National >Epidemic -- just are addicted to convenience and don't want to do >anything >for themselves any more. The one remaining U-pick farm in our area is >going under, this year he did less than 20% as much planting as he has >in >previous years. He's selling everything now to the processing plant >at 25% >of what he got from the U-pick folks. > >My CSA folks have been pushing and complaining since the beginning >that >they want me to deliver the stuff to their door as well as grow it >without >any help -- and not pay anything for the labor or the delivery. >Cooking it >for them and delivering at mealtime would be a plus. I guess I could >chew >it for them, too. I'm "too far out" -- a whole five miles from town. > >I still think that I've been doing the right thing, just maybe in the >wrong >place and certainly with the wrong group of people. So I'm backing >off >before I become as bitter and resentful as every single one of the old >farmers I know. When I asked one of them recently why he hasn't gone >to >IPM and transitioned to organics he actually replied "So what if the >stuff >poisons 'em [the people buying his crops] -- they haven't cared that >I'm >working until I'm sick in all kinds of weather and going out of >business >and losing my home because they won't pay a fair price for what I >grow." > >Chills went up and down my spine at his bitter and heartbroken words. >I >will certainly quit before I get to that point -- but I sure know >exactly >how he feels. > >Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator >Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living >http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html >(presently closed for reconstruction) > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 24 12:40:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12695 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24913 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07457; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07423 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip207.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.207]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03516 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970824124226.0927e69e@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Pulling back from CSA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 118 Dori - I'm saddened to hear of your disappointing CSA venture. Where, exactly, is your farm? Sarah From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 24 13:09:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12869 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03289 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08631; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:03:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08603 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:03:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17661 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708241704.NAA17661@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:00:14 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Pulling back from CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 119 I'm in Corning, NY -- five miles outside of downtown ("too far, too inconvenient to drive up to for veggies"). It's New York's #3 tourist destination -- I'm seriously looking at moving the gardens to the front of the property, adding more flowers, and bringing in bus tours. The heck with the locals -- I'll re-do my organic certification andship the stuff to New York City -- or Rochester! Any other would-be core groups up there who'd like to have a farm to visit and maybe stay overnight at, get weekly deliveries to a distribution point? I'm also looking at the rules and regulations about operating my CSA with a bed-and-breakfast option complete with taxi and tour service for visitors from NYC. Am I wrong in thinking that folks from Rochester, Syracuse, New York might like to spend a weekend to a week on a working farm with lots of touristy stuff to do nearby? The reality as I see it is that it doesn't seem like I'm going to be able to make the taxes on this land -- much less the mortgage payment -- by selling produce. Gotta sell the moo and the oink too, and if that's not valued by the local population I need to look elsewhere for the market, not necessarily elsewhere for the farm. A recent windfall trip to Seattle really opened my eyes to the fact that there's a whole wide world out there and I do not have to rely on a local market. I have two CSA members from California who are waiting patiently for their $100-worth of dried herbs from this year's harvest. I'd love to relocate to Seattle (except that I do hate the Urban Sprawl there) -- but the $40,000-per-acre land prices put a real crimp in that idea. And my house is by no means ready for sale -- needs scraping, painting, fixing up here there and everywhere. So for my next magic trick I may just reinvent myself right where I'm at! Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html ---------- > From: Sarah Milstein > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Pulling back from CSA > Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 12:35 PM > > Dori - > > I'm saddened to hear of your disappointing CSA venture. Where, exactly, is > your farm? > > Sarah From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 24 17:28:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15898 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00193 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18443; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:23:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18417 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA07551; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id OAA07687; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708242123.OAA07687@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:23:52 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: funfarm@servtech.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Fwd: Information on CSA Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-118379580-7294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 120 --WebTV-Mail-118379580-7294 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi! Maybe there is some way the unemployed can be encouraged to turn to agrarian living. Sincerely, CJ Flores http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-118379580-7294 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <199708242115.OAA08827@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> From: ahimsa@webtv.net (Cruelty Free) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:15:33 -0500 To: ooasis@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Information on CSA Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-701149124-3357 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) --WebTV-Mail-701149124-3357 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cruelty-Free Living

    If your computer is slow then please use this text based website. --WebTV-Mail-701149124-3357 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: JFurman835@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970824140208_311763172@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: ahimsa@webtv.net Subject: Information on CSA am the Program Planner of a community-based organization in Utica, NY which conducts Food Stamp outreach, nutrition education, rental assistance, HIV prevention, economic development, housing development, education and job training programs, and human service programs. Within the past ten years, the Utica area has suffered great economic dislocation due to the closing of an air force base and downsizing of local companies. A total of 20,000 jobs have been eliminated. In addition, our area has the highest poverty rate of similar cities in the Northeast. Low-income people have limited access to food shopping at reasonable prices. Major supermarkets have closed in our city. Food pantries are inundated with requests and cannot keep up with the demand. Our client caseload has increased markedly in the last several months, particularly for emergency assistance. As you know, welfare reform and Food Stamp cuts are being implemented. We are attempting to develop innovative food security programs for our area. We have organized a local coalition. I am requesting technical assistance from your organization in implementing this project. Would you please send me information regarding your organization? I am interested in non-profit farms and how CSA programs could be applied to inner-city populations. The following would be appreciated: annual report, newsletter subscription, back issues of newsletters, concept papers on innovative food security projects (e.g., manuals on starting food co-ops and buying clubs, urban gardening, and supermarket development in the inner-city; surveys to determine a community's food security; community organizing strategies regarding Food Stamp cuts and ensuring more responsive action from the local Department of Social Services: information on developing farmer markets, urban agriculture, nutrition education programs targeted to the hard to serve, and community-supported agriculture; sample grant requests, newspaper clippings). Kindly put me on your mailing list. Thank you. John Furman Program Planner Utica Community Action, Inc. 253 Genesee Street Utica, NY 13501 (315) 797-7364 Fax: (315) 792-1983 JFurman835@aol.com --WebTV-Mail-701149124-3357-- --WebTV-Mail-118379580-7294-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 24 20:02:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16903 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01234 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24459; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:57:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24421 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:57:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26672; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:56:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma3-49.ix.netcom.com(206.217.145.113) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026633; Sun Aug 24 18:55:59 1997 Message-Id: <199708242356.SAA26672@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:54:18 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: "Ooasis Inc." , , Subject: Re: Information on CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 121 Dear CJ and CSA, While some unemployed might enjoy agrarian living I think in some ways being a farmer is in your blood, most people who farm full time just love it. My father in law was one he grew up in a reg neighborhood his father was and engineer and he chose to go the Stockbridge the ag school a U of Massachusetts, he farmed for 40 plus years and when he retired he couldn't stand to see "naked" pasture so we have a small herd of Scottish Highland cattle, and next summer we are going to except our 1st CSA members(father in law just "consults"). And my husband is thinking of buying a small Maple Sugar Evaporator this winter and he can't wait to retire from teaching and CSA fulltime. Oh well I was just musing on this a few days ago after reading articles about various struggling farms. Dori Good luck hope you can find your farming success. Beth ---------- > From: Ooasis Inc. > To: funfarm@servtech.com; CSA-L@prairienet.org > Subject: Fwd: Information on CSA > Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 5:23 PM > > Hi! > > Maybe there is some way the unemployed can be encouraged to turn to > agrarian living. > > Sincerely, > > CJ Flores > > http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis > "The cruelty-free living development center" > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 24 23:10:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18526 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08346 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03132; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03100 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA05474; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id UAA04627; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708250304.UAA04627@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:04:32 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: The Higher Taste Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 122 Hi! I believe one can develop a taste for farming. To develop a taste one needs the opportunity to try out farming or agrarian activities. This is easier when one is young. Later one may be forced by unemployment or spiritual objectives. Another way is to get some training in a school or agriculture. What Ooasis is offering is unique. We are promoting not only organic agriculture, but also biological control, dynamics, as well as cruelty-free methods at all times. We hope that someday soon we will be able to offer government recognized accredited certification to our students. Please check our website and join our mailing list. We would love to have you. Sincerely, CJ Flores http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 27 23:25:27 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17796 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26135 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03732; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ss.chuo.agri.pref.hokkaido.jp (root@ss.chuo.agri.pref.hokkaido.jp [202.241.92.2]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03668 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:17:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pc81.chuo.agri.pref.hokkaido.jp (pc81.chuo.agri.pref.hokkaido.jp [202.241.92.81]) by ss.chuo.agri.pref.hokkaido.jp (8.7.4/3.4W4-Hokkaido-Chuo) with SMTP id MAA07206 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:22:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3404EDE8.7443@agri.pref.hokkaido.jp> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:18:00 +0900 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Hidemi Miyoshi To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Teach me your HP adress. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [ja] (Win95; I) X-URL: http://sunsite.unc.edu/london/permaculture.html X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 123 Subject: Teach me your HP adress. TO: CSA-1$B!!(J I am studying the farm business at the Agricultural Experiment Station. Now, examining about direct distribution by the cooperation of the consumer and the farms. I want to know CSA in UK. I found your adress in homepage of "InterGarden PERMACULTURE". But I failed acsess to your homepage. Please tell me your homepage adress, and teach the CSA in UK. Thank you. ==================================================== Office: Farm Manegement division in Central Agricultural Experiment Station Adress: N15, E6, Naganuma-cho, Yubari-gun, Hokkaido, 069-13, Japan Phone:01238-9-2001,at extension352 Fax:01238-9-2060 Email : miyosihd@agri.pref.hokkaido.jp ========================================== From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 29 08:39:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10612 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03338 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA05925; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05874 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:33:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA20149; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970829083225_-2003070309@emout12.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 8/27/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 124 Your Week's Worth 8/27/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 1/2lb Green beans 3-5 lb Big Rainbow or 1 ea Armenian cucumber Radiator Charlie's 1 lb Stockton Red onions Mortgage Lifter 1 ea Eggplant, Neon or Listada 1 lb mixed summer squash 1 pt Cherry tomatoes 2 Sweet peppers - colored, 1 ea Armenian cucumber 2 lb 20th Century A.pears 1 bu Genovese basil 1 Mickey Lee watermelon 1 bu Purple Ruffles basil or Red Seedless A Pair of Pears 20th Century Asian pears from Bryan and Steve. Green beans are a treat from Fully Belly Farm in Guinda. This is probably the last week for our summer squash and cucumbers. The vines are just plum tuckered out. Carrots will return the middle of October. The deer are expressing a serious interest in the lettuce and bush beans. Any bow hunters out there? Pole beans and peas have started to emerge from the soil. We have replanted mesclun after devestation by the neighbors chickens and hope to transplant broccoli, kale, and cabbage this week, THE COOLER IS FIXED THANKS TO SHAREHOLDER JERI MC CORD!! Jeri located a compressor we could afford, and he and Lee worked until 3 AM on Sunday morning to make fittings, pull vacuums, and fill freon. Three cheers for Jeri who has saved us serious money. THANK YOU! From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 29 20:56:25 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23547 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10996 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19502; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19461 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:49:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.86]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id RAA21329; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id RAA28909; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708300050.RAA28909@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:50:15 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: bk2basics@drcoffsite.com Cc: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Sunday Thanksgiving Celebration Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 125 Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, We cordially invite you to our special sunday Thanksgiving celebration. October 12, 1997 9am - 4pm at City Park shelter #6 New Orleans, Louisiana Bring your own vegetarian food. The picnic is vegetarian potluck, but free food and refreshments will be served. We are checking around to see if we can find some at least one amateur guitarist to come and sing. This is an effort to find new members for this organization, but other organization have been invited to attend. For now this gathering is limited to 250 people, but we are hoping that this meeting will lead to better and larger gatherings. The theme of the gathering will be "The Whole Earth, Health, and Education" The organization has been initially sponsored by Ooasis, Inc. which promotes cruelty-free agrarian arts world over for people in urban, suburban, and rural areas. We are a new organization so donations would be apprecitated and would help in reaching more people with the truth of cruelty-free living. A $25 will permit you to set up a table at the gathering as well as one year membership with our organization. $50 will permit one table for your group and 3 years membership with our organization. $75 will permit one table for your group and 5 years membership. $1000 will permit one table and life time membership with our organization. If you are limited with cash then we will accept trade of services or other items. All members are given special all-you-can-eat priviledges. Please check our website for more information of what our organization is trying to do. Sincerely yours, CJ Flores PO Box 8693 METAIRIE, LOUISIANA 70011 504-837-0723 http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 31 06:25:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12720 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA13835 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04226; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 05:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04150 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 05:12:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id DAA02175; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id DAA16536; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708311013.DAA16536@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 05:13:40 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, bk2basics@drcoffsite.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, URSP-HCD@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Fwd: Our Dream Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-2060476911-289 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 126 --WebTV-Mail-2060476911-289 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-2060476911-289 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:59:51 -0500 (CDT) From: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Sender: owner-ox-oasis@igc.org Subject: Our Dream To: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org Hi! Thank you so much for your messages. I am envisioning families all over the world taking a few acres of land and developing it for agricultural self-sufficiency so well that they hardly need anything outside of that. Then the retired, the students, the scholars, the pilgrims, etc. wandering here and there throughout the earth will find these cruelty-free agriculturally self-sufficient villages all over the world, and they will be just like an oasis for the weary traveller. Sincerely, CJ Flores ps At present we do not have the funds to maintain printed publications. Most of our work is through the internet. _____________________________________________________ O.O.A.S.I.S., Inc. Cruelty-free Sustainable Agriculture and Food Relief OX --WebTV-Mail-2060476911-289-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 2 11:34:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21376 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10084 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09826; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:28:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09760 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:27:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21355 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA28458 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Business Plan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 127 From: gbernstein@mmm.com (Greg Bernstein) Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: CSA Business Plan Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:48:51 -0500 I am on the planning committee for a CSA in the mid-west. Two years ago our farm doubled its membership to 80 shares to allow the farmers to go from part-time to full-time farming. Though it was a successfull transition, we are now in need of a medium-term plan for how to move our farmers to a more sustainable income. I have done some small business planning in the past, but I'm not that familiar with agriculture business planning. Any insights you have or resources you know of related to both the process of agricultural business planning and/or the format of a farm business plan would be much appreciated. Thank you! Greg Bernstein 612-737-5282 GBernstein@mmm.com From michelle@animal.blarg.net Tue Sep 2 12:34:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22005 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25212 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA20801; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:30:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA Business Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 128 I know that I need help with an agricultural business plan as well. I hope there are such resources available. Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > > From: gbernstein@mmm.com (Greg Bernstein) > Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture > Subject: CSA Business Plan > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:48:51 -0500 > > I am on the planning committee for a CSA in the mid-west. Two years ago > our farm doubled its membership to 80 shares to allow the farmers to go > from part-time to full-time farming. Though it was a successfull > transition, we are now in need of a medium-term plan for how to move our > farmers to a more sustainable income. > > I have done some small business planning in the past, but I'm not that > familiar with agriculture business planning. Any insights you have or > resources you know of related to both the process of agricultural business > planning and/or the format of a farm business plan would be much > appreciated. > > Thank you! > > Greg Bernstein > 612-737-5282 > GBernstein@mmm.com > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 2 12:37:25 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22068 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25921 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14646; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14456 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA20801; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:30:02 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA Business Plan In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 129 I know that I need help with an agricultural business plan as well. I hope there are such resources available. Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > > From: gbernstein@mmm.com (Greg Bernstein) > Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture > Subject: CSA Business Plan > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:48:51 -0500 > > I am on the planning committee for a CSA in the mid-west. Two years ago > our farm doubled its membership to 80 shares to allow the farmers to go > from part-time to full-time farming. Though it was a successfull > transition, we are now in need of a medium-term plan for how to move our > farmers to a more sustainable income. > > I have done some small business planning in the past, but I'm not that > familiar with agriculture business planning. Any insights you have or > resources you know of related to both the process of agricultural business > planning and/or the format of a farm business plan would be much > appreciated. > > Thank you! > > Greg Bernstein > 612-737-5282 > GBernstein@mmm.com > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 4 00:26:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20995 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21616 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19331; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:16:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19241 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:14:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA08422; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id VAA22194; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709040415.VAA22194@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:15:32 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, bk2basics@drcoffsite.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, ARNOVA-L@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU, kicf-l@icx.net, URSP-HCD@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Fwd: The Dream Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1880560147-1046 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 130 --WebTV-Mail-1880560147-1046 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just some notes. Please excuse the length. http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-1880560147-1046 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:05:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "OX O.A.S.I.S." To: ahimsa@webtv.net, ooasis@webtv.net Subject: The Dream Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:59:51 -0500 (CDT) From: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org To: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org Subject: Our Dream Hi! Thank you so much for your messages. I am envisioning families all over the world taking a few acres of land and developing it for agricultural self-sufficiency so well that they hardly need anything outside of that. Then the retired, the students, the scholars, the pilgrims, etc. wandering here and there throughout the earth will find these cruelty-free agriculturally self-sufficient villages all over the world, and they will be just like an oasis for the weary traveller. Sincerely, CJ Flores ps At present we do not have the funds to maintain printed publications. Most of our work is through the internet. (The following are some notes that I have collected.) In the words of the NGO Sustainable Agriculture Treaty negotiated at the International NGO Forum at the Earth Summit: "Although the present model of agriculture has contributed in the last decades to a substantial increase in food production, it has not solved the world'shunger problem, which has increased parallel to increases in food production." The industrial model of agricultural production "decreases diversity in ecosystems, landscapes and production, reduces natural resources that are the common heritage of all to criteria and a logic of production which mines the resource base, seeks immediate profits, and shifts the control of production of foods and raw materials toward large transnational corporations and trade interests at the expense of local control and quality of life for farmers and food security for all people." Additionally, the present industrial, chemical intensive agriculture system of the so-called "Green Revolution" degrades the fertility of soils, intensifies the effects of droughts and contributes to desertification, pollutes water resources, causes salinization, increases non-renewable energy dependence, destroys genetic resources, contaminates the food supply and contributes to climatic change." The following description of modern agriculture quoted from the book Regenerating Agriculture--Policies and Practice for Sustainability and Self-Reliance: "Modern agriculture begins on the research station, where researchers have access to all the necessary inputs of fertilizers, pesticides and labour at all the appropriate times. But when the package is extended to farmers, even the best performing farms cannot match the yields the researchers get. For high productivity per hectare, farmers need access to the whole package: modern seeds, water, labour, capital or credit, fertilizers and pesticides. Many poorer farming households simply cannot adopt the whole package. If one element is missing, the seed delivery system fails or the fertilizer arrives late, or there is insufficient irrigation water, then yields may not be much better than those for traditional varieties. Even if farmers want to use external resources, very often delivery systems are unable to supply them on time. Where production has been improved through these modern technologies, all too often there have been adverse environmental and social impacts. Many environmental problems have increased dramatically in recent years. These include: - contamination of water by pesticides, nitrates, soil and livestock wastes, causing harm to wildlife, disruption of ecosystems and possible health problems in drinking water; - contamination of food and fodder by residues of pesticides, nitrates and antibiotics; --damage to farm and natural resources by pesticides, causing harm to farmworkers and public, disruption of ecosystems and harm to wildlife; -- contamination of the atmosphere by ammonia, nitrous oxide, methane and the products of burning, which pay a role in ozone depletion, global warming and atmospheric pollution; -- overuse of natural resources, causing depletion of groundwater, and loss of wild foods and habitats, and of their capacity to absorb wastes, causing waterlogging and increased salinity; -- the tendency in agriculture to standardize and specialize by focusing on modern varieties, causing the displacement of traditional varieties and breeds; -- new health hazards for workers in the agrochemical and food-processing industries. Agricultural modernization has also helped to transform many rural communities, both in the Third World and industrialized countries. The process has had many impacts. These include the loss of jobs, the further disadvantaging of women economically if they do not have access to the use and benefits of the new technology, the increasing specialization of livelihoods, the growing gap between the well-off and the poor, and the cooption of village institutions by the state." (Jules N. Pretty, Regenerating Agriculture, Joseph Henry Press, Washington, DC p. 4) An additional problem is one of increased corporate farming throughout the world, which has taken land ownership and production out of the hands of local farmers; they often utilize production systems that are better for the corporate bank account than for the land. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linda L. Elswick Director Washington Office World Sustainable Agriculture Association, 2025 I Street, NW#512, WDC, 20006 Phone: 202-293-2155 Fax: 202-293-2209 Email: wsaadc@igc.apc.org Web Site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wsaa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (What will community gardens, recycling projects, and CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) do for society?) * encourage neighborhood self-sufficiency * contribute to the education and socialization of children and youth * create opportunities for multicultural understanding * offer ecological education * foster intergenerational contact * meet social and recreational needs * improve family nutrition and increase community food security * deepen people's understanding of local ecosystems * promote biodiversity and seed saving * provide vocational training and work experience * help prevent drug and alcohol abuse * enhance neighborhood safety and beauty * build coalitions among groups dedicated to community revitalization Select "From The Roots Up" at the ACGA Website: http://ag.arizona.edu/~bradleyl/acga/acga.htm _____________________________________________________ O.O.A.S.I.S., Inc. Cruelty-free Sustainable Agriculture and Food Relief OX --WebTV-Mail-1880560147-1046-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 4 10:00:43 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA26132 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20903 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09945; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:51:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09870 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from salkind.sirius.com (ppp-asfn-a--033.sirius.net [205.134.230.33]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id GAA04244 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970904134829.006886ac@pop.sirius.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 06:48:29 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Heisler and Jesse Brown To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: wash station Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bonbon@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 131 Hello. What have you found to be the most effective and efficient wash station set-up for post-harvest, pre-distribution cleaning of produce? Am asking on behalf of farmer friends in Alaska, Arctic Organics (70 shareholder CSA). Currently they use a large stainless double chamber sink and two hoses - the whole set-up is movable and sits in one spot between their house and the garden until the grass/earth under it needs a rest, then they move it a few feet. It's reasonably well-located vis a vis harvesting activity, but they are seeking to improve the efficiency and functionality of the set-up, and are eager to know what other folks have found satisfactory. Two people spend lots of time with their hands in icy cold water every harvest day. Anybody have a set-up with a bubbler that they are thrilled by? Any other mechanical improvements that have made a difference in this part of your work? Set-ups portable or stationary? Do you, too, have one or two people stationed for washing for the whole of the harvest, or have you found a way to reduce the time allocated to this function? Please reply with descriptions of what you're doing, what you find satisfactory and not. Thanks. Karen From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 4 19:44:46 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04916 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14770 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26932; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18760 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA05368; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id PAA10454; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709042201.PAA10454@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:01:41 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, bk2basics@drcoffsite.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, ARNOVA-L@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU, URSP-HCD@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Fwd: The Dream Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1556843200-584 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 132 --WebTV-Mail-1556843200-584 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-1556843200-584 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:50:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael_O._Patterson@hud.gov, ox-oasis@igc.apc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Sender: owner-ox-oasis@igc.org Subject: Fwd: The Dream To: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org Hi! Thank you so much for your messages. I am envisioning families all over the world taking a few acres of land and developing it for agricultural self-sufficiency so well that they hardly need anything outside of that. Then the retired, the students, the scholars, the pilgrims, etc. wandering here and there throughout the earth will find these cruelty-free agriculturally self-sufficient villages all over the world, and they will be just like an oasis for the weary traveller. ----------------------------------- This dream is already possible. Linda Runyon's "A Survival Acre" details 50 plants that grow in the temperate zone worldwide, several times as nutricious as anything you can buy in a grocery store, so prolific they are known as "weeds"... Tom Brown, Jr.'s Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants details 100 such plants. I have a friend in town, for example, who cultivates wild amaranth, to eat. Sue Halvorsen, of Tom Brown, Jr.'s Tracker School Staff, is assembling a guide on generating just such habitats, from "postage stamp lawns" to large acreages, which would also provide other benefits. You can literally feed a family year round from a postage stamp size lawn, though the diet might be monotonous. Linda Runyon has shown that NY city could feed itself from the open land w/in its boundaries, using these plants. The U.S. Forest Service has its LA 2000 model, which combines biodynamic agriculture with silviculture, for what they call "agriforestry", similar in concept to this. Their model becomes self-sufficient, i.e. it pays for itself, after 3 years. It is further possible to reforest desert. "The Next Whole Earth Catalog" reviews a book by a woman doing just this in Algeria. It is tricky, but can be done. "Secrets of the Soil", by Chris Bird, details a number of successful efforts to revivify dead soil. It is possible to farm soas to INCREASE topsoil. Consider Native American systems farming: instead of expensive cattle, with fences, shots, and the works, they used fire to maintain fields, so a larger deer population could be maintained... It doesn't get much easier than a system that almost runs itself. Cherokee "Peace Villages", cited in among other places Dhyani Ywahoo's "Voices of our Ancestors", existed in Cherokee areas until Andrew Jackson's deportation on the Trail of Tears, in 1828. They were very close to the sort of community you envision. Further, they were refuge cities. A criminal by Cherokee standards, if he could make it there was untouchable. Had to stay there. Such villages were run by highly spiritual people [implying belief systems about what is possible]. After a time, said criminals were healed of whatever caused them to commit crimes. Remember, these places were self-supporting. Compare this with the $40,000/yr/inmate in my state- Harvard tuition costs- so that gangs can do their corporate training of criminals. Which approach is more cost-effective? The lesson here, is that if you have a dream, unless it is really hi-tech, someone else has already done much of the work for you, and you need but maintain a focus to find it. --WebTV-Mail-1556843200-584-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 4 20:13:33 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05227 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20441 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29114; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:05:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27923 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA11645; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970904194721_993218433@emout12.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: bonbon@sirius.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: wash station X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 <> The most we have done is 30+ shares. I built a 10x12ft washing/packing shed by putting in upright cedar posts to define the area. Then, slab wood is nailed around the structure to 3ft high. The 2 middle poles at the doorways are 12ft tall. Nylon rope is run from pole to pole, then a large tarp is fit to cover the roof and sidewalls. It is built this way to avoid taxes and zoning laws. Inside there are two double basin sinks, one at each end, on opposite sides. Both sides have wire mesh countertops. We pick into 5 gallon buckets and plastic totes. Things like carrots and potatoes have their buckets filled with water right away so they can soak. Everytime my ATV is filled with buckets, I put them in the shed, in the shade. Leafy things are washed, then drained on the screen. Other stuff is swished around in the sink. We ask our shareholders to fill out preference checklists at the beginning of the season. On picking day we fill the plastic grocery bags, then categorize them by family name. We pick one sort of bag...like the corn bag for each family to write their name on with indelible marker. When all the bags have been filled and sorted, we use a length of twine through the handles to bundle up a family's share. Over the winter lots of folks save all their bags for us! Next, we cover everything with wet sheets and either jump in the creek or go in the house for a bath and clean clothes. Then we come back outside, uncover the bags, arrange them in the truck and deliver to each customer's fridge. We only deliver to folks in the nearest 2 towns. Once a week a few families come to the packing shed and pick up their orders. We just leave their bags under wet sheets. I've always wondered how other CSA's handle this stuff. I look forward to hearing from more farms! Wendy S. Martin Peace and Carrots Farm Calais, Vermont From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 5 09:35:52 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15099 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26237 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05029; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:28:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04959 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA08600; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970905092531_-931686748@emout08.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, jswansn@alaska.net, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 9/03/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 134 Your Week's Worth 9/03/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 bu Ruby Swiss Chard 3-5 lb Big Rainbow or 1 ea Armenian cucumber Radiator Charlie's 1 lb Stockton Red onions Mortgage Lifter 1 ea Eggplant, Neon or Listada 1 lb Zucchetta Rampicante 1 pt Cherry tomatoes 2 Sweet peppers - colored, 1 pt Fern strawberries 1 ea Armenian cucumber 1 bu Italian parsley 1 Mickey Lee watermelon 1 bu Purple Ruffles basil or orange Honeydew Fall Crops Planted and Emerging Planted late last week and the week before, these seedlings have pushed through the soil: beets, spinach, chard, stir-fry, mesclun, mei qing pac choi, radishes, and carrots. We should be able to transplant kale, lettuce, cabbage, Chinese cabbage, cauliflower and broccoli from the greenhouse to the field this week. Our potato seed supplier had a bad crop and we're still trying to locate affordable seed. Our second apprentice of the year is gone. We need to hire someone on Tuesday and Thursday mornings to help with picking. This person needs to be able to spend a lot of time doing toe touches ;-) Whoever it is must be able to move quickly, be detail oriented, be a nonsmoker, and be reliable. If you know of someone fitting this description, please give us a call. Speaking of farm work... Trellis Party on Sept. 13! Come at 10AM and help throw string over the trellis frames so your beans and peas have something to climb up. Lunch is at 1PM. Please let us you're coming so we can plan food. 885-9201 or email MarcieRose@aol.com. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 5 20:12:06 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26309 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15762 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19329; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:04:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19298 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:04:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07047 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709060006.UAA07047@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:58:42 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: wash station MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 135 Lots of good ideas from Wendy's post. Thanks! Here at Ash Grove Farm I'm lucky enough to have a cement patio next to the house and root cellar. We wash things with a hose on top of clean sheets on the patio, then let them dry in the shade and move them into the root cellar with wet sheets over the top and a fan blowing over the whole arrangement. I've also been delivering to members' houses, got pretty much blackmailed into it this year -- offered to deliver to neighborhoods that had five members, then got just five members in the whole town and nobody was willing to drive the five miles to the farm and I wasn't willing after working so hard to grow good stuff, to watch it rot in the bags waiting for pickups that never happened. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Sep 6 12:24:05 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07124 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03026 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19104; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:12:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca (smtp1.sympatico.ca [204.101.251.52]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19052 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:12:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Sympatico.sympatico.ca (ppp8084.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.244.232]) by smtp1.sympatico.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16548 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970906115224.006d1d38@pop1.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 11:52:24 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Hilary Chop To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Explain to me, please... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: b1qbem96@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 136 I am a fourth year Environmental Studies student, at Carleton University, in Ottawa, Ontario. For my research paper I have decided to do a comparison. What I am comparing is the "Ecological Footprint" of CSA with that of specialized, globally envisioned agricultural practices. The Ecological Footprint is.... an "accounting too that enables us to estimate the resource consumption and waste assimilation of a defined human population or economy in terms of corrosponding productive land area" (Rees, 1996) What I need is information on what is involved in a "typical" CSA farm, throughout the farm's life. For example, what is the average size of a farm, how far out is it located, what type of machinery is used, is crop rotation a regualr practice, the impact on the soil, etc. I would really appreciate it if anyone out there could help me out. I am awaiting a reply..... Hilary Chop hchop@sympatico.ca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Sep 6 17:28:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12878 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03909 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01859; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:21:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01756 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:19:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.86]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA21066; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id OAA26645; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709062121.OAA26645@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:21:20 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, bk2basics@drcoffsite.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, KLCUR@jazz.ucc.uno.edu, kicf-l@icx.net Subject: Fwd: Wanted to run CSA Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-2119466598-645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 137 --WebTV-Mail-2119466598-645 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-2119466598-645 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:28:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Garrett , ox-oasis@igc.apc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Sender: owner-ox-oasis@igc.org Subject: Wanted to run CSA To: ox-oasis@igc.apc.org Hi everyone, Here is opportunity for the right person. Please pass this along. Steven Our Farm 5544 Bayview Road Langley, Washington 98260 The current steward of the land known as Our Farm, Barkley McLaughlin, is seeking an experienced individual/couple to create a CSA operation on Whidbey Island in beautiful Puget Sound. Details of this opportunity are provided below. The Land: Nine acres of organically-certified farmland near Langley, Washington on the south end of Whidbey Island about 40 miles northwest of Seattle. The property is near the intersection of Bayview Road (one of two main access routes to Langley) and Hwy 525 (the only north-south corridor that runs the length of Whidbey Island). A storage building and a well are in place. A crop of echinacea was harvested in 1996. During 1997, the property is being managed and maintained in preparation for planting in 1998. The Intention: Our goal is to develop the land into a productive, economically viable agricultural project that serves the needs of the Island community. We anticipate a diversity of programs and activities integrated within the overall project. Our further intention is to behave as responsible stewards of the land through a commitment to sustainable land use principles and practices. This will include using production methods and materials that satisfy or exceed standards required to maintain organic certification. In all of our work we will strive to achieve these additional objectives: o to provide a model of sustainable agriculture that will motivate and inspire conventional farmers on Whidbey Island to adopt this approach, and that will attract new people to farming as a livelihood; o to incorporate farm-based educational opportunities for young people and adults -- including on-site instructional programs for student groups from the Whidbey Island community and from nearby urban areas (Everett, Lynnwood, Seattle, Bellevue, Bellingham, Edmonds, etc.); and o to address the needs of the local community as our primary tarket market. page 2 The Programs: A number of possibilities are being explored. Our goal is to identify a sustainable mix that will make efficient use of the land while being economically viable within 2-3 years. The immediate objective is to have a CSA operation, possibly including a limited number of farm animals (sheep, goats, and/or chickens), in place for the 1998 growing season. As a complement to the CSA program, we are open to the idea of offering small plots (allotments or pea patches) for individuals and families who wish to learn about organic gardening and/or who simply want to produce food for themselves. In cooperation with experienced local educators, we plan to offer on-site educational programs for young people and adults. We do not anticipate this program will be offered during the 1998 season. The Timeframe. During 1997, a soil-building cover crop of rye and vetch is in place. Weed control is being carried out. Civil engineering for a pond has been completed, and an application for a permit has been submitted to the County. Recruitment of a CSA operator is underway, and selection will be made as soon as a qualified individual/couple is identified. Terms and Conditions. Financial terms and responsibilities of the parties are negotiable. The CSA operator(s) will contract to lease the land and equipment for a specified period and amount. The property owner is prepared to consider deferred payments and/or other arrangements that reduce some of the risk for the operator(s). Operator(s) must satisfy the property owner that sufficient working capital is in hand for living expenses, start-up costs, and to sustain operations until subscription revenue is collected. A partially-furnished, two-bedroom house is available for rent on land adjacent to the farmland. One of the bedrooms will be retained as an office and may be used occasionally as a sleeping room (Saturday nights only). Project Coordinator. Initial research and concept development is being provided by Walt Blackford. He has been a management consultant for more than 13 years and served for three years as an advisor and board member for the Colorado Organic Producers Association. For more information about this project, please contact Walt by phone at 360/221-6296 or by email at ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Steven M. Garrett, M.S., R.D. Phone: 253.798.3262 Director, Tahoma Food Sytem Project Fax: 253.7983165 WSU Cooperative Extension E-mail: sgarrett@wsu.edu 3049 South 36th, Suite 300 Tacoma, WA 98409-5739 ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ You don't stop playing because you grow old . . . . You grow old because you stop playing! --WebTV-Mail-2119466598-645-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 8 12:08:19 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13251 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23438 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13649; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vcgi.uvm.edu (vcgi.uvm.edu [132.198.131.51]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13359 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:54:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by vcgi.uvm.edu; id AA31604; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:08:27 -0400 Message-Id: <34141F71.243F@vcgi.uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:53:21 -0400 Reply-To: lesliep@vcgi.uvm.edu Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Leslie Pelch To: Hilary Chop Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Explain to me, please... References: <3.0.1.32.19970906115224.006d1d38@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 138 Dear Hilary, The problem with your question is that there is no "typical" CSA. Part of what attracts people to the concept is its adaptability to different levels of automation, size, and even products. I think that your comparison would be useful if you used case studies, comparing a CSA and a "conventional" farm who produce similar products at a similar scale (measure in volume or weight of products or $ value???). It is a hard comparison to make objectively, without a lot of resources or a lot of innaccurate generalizations. I know of CSAs that serve 8 people who are all within a 10 mile radius and others that truck their produce 100 miles to a central pickup for urban members. I'm sorry if this sounds discouraging (and I hope some one else has more useful suggestions), but I worry that you will use numbers in a very innaccurate way, and you would be better off figuring out a different way to compare the global industrial food system and CSAs. If nothing else, you may be to look at other people's studies about existing CSAs and comment on the trends and "implied footprints" based on that info. You should be able to find the few studies out there by doing a worldcat database search at your library. Leslie Pelch "Former Grad Student who Know how misleading numbers can be" Burlington, VT Hilary Chop wrote: > > I am a fourth year Environmental Studies student, at Carleton University, > in Ottawa, Ontario. For my research paper I have decided to do a > comparison. What I am comparing is the "Ecological Footprint" of CSA with > that of specialized, globally envisioned agricultural practices. The > Ecological Footprint is.... an "accounting too that enables us to estimate > the resource consumption and waste assimilation of a defined human > population or economy in terms of corrosponding productive land area" > (Rees, 1996) What I need is information on what is involved in a "typical" > CSA farm, throughout the farm's life. For example, what is the average > size of a farm, how far out is it located, what type of machinery is used, > is crop rotation a regualr practice, the impact on the soil, etc. > > I would really appreciate it if anyone out there could help me out. I am > awaiting a reply..... > > Hilary Chop > > hchop@sympatico.ca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 8 17:31:22 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19713 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09288 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07534; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07478 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA27604; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id OAA23646; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709082120.OAA23646@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:20:44 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, bk2basics@drcoffsite.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, kicf-l@icx.net, YankeePerm@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Permaculturist needed at Dancing Rabbit Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1523331858-4195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 139 --WebTV-Mail-1523331858-4195 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-1523331858-4195 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <199709081756.MAA27158@smtp.gte.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tony Sirna" To: dancing-rabbit@ic.org Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:54:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Permaculturist needed at Dancing Rabbit Reply-to: sirna@ikonodyne.com CC: dr-list@CS.Stanford.EDU Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Hi folks, As some of you may have heard Dancing Rabbit is very close to buying its land; we hope to sign the contract this week and close on the fall equinox. Needless to say we are pretty excited. Yippee! This means we are finally ready to do the land use planning that we have been itching to do for so long. We would like to find someone experienced in permacultural design and familiar with our midwestern bioregion to help us with this task. Experience in town planning, alternative energy, and pattern languages would also be appreciated. We are willing to pay someone's transport to DR as well as the possibility of a small fee. Ideally we would be able to find someone with some free time in October so we can get started on this right away. I could imagine spending up to a week of land walks, meetings, and planning with the goal of having us far along the path towards a land use plan that will at least get us through the next few years. Besides money we are happy to exchange labor instead of cash and either way we promise free lodging, yummy food from the garden and fun times (and fresh Sorghum from Sandhill to boot). So if anyone here is interested or has recommendations of someone who may be interested and qualified please let me know. October is coming upon us quickly and we really hope to do this before winter. Thanks, Tony Sirna Dancing Rabbit http://www.dancingrabbit.org tony@ic.org --WebTV-Mail-1523331858-4195-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 10 11:38:54 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28331 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19417 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18159; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12811 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:57:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip159.an4-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.15.159]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27079 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970910100410.360fa4e4@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Explain to me, please... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 140 Hilary - Leslie's observations and suggestions about CSA variability and data collection are right on. I second her message! Let the CSA list know if you have other questions. - Sarah Milstein >At 11:53 AM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Dear Hilary, >>The problem with your question is that there is no "typical" CSA. Part >>of what attracts people to the concept is its adaptability to different >>levels of automation, size, and even products. I think that your >>comparison would be useful if you used case studies, comparing a CSA and >>a "conventional" farm who produce similar products at a similar scale >>(measure in volume or weight of products or $ value???). It is a hard >>comparison to make objectively, without a lot of resources or a lot of >>innaccurate generalizations. I know of CSAs that serve 8 people who are >>all within a 10 mile radius and others that truck their produce 100 >>miles to a central pickup for urban members. I'm sorry if this sounds >>discouraging (and I hope some one else has more useful suggestions), >>but I worry that you will use numbers in a very innaccurate way, and >>you would be better off figuring out a different way to compare the >>global industrial food system and CSAs. If nothing else, you may be to >>look at other people's studies about existing CSAs and comment on the >>trends and "implied footprints" based on that info. You should be able >>to find the few studies out there by doing a worldcat database search at >>your library. >> >>Leslie Pelch "Former Grad Student who Know how misleading numbers can >>be" >>Burlington, VT >> >> >> >>Hilary Chop wrote: >>> >>> I am a fourth year Environmental Studies student, at Carleton University, >>> in Ottawa, Ontario. For my research paper I have decided to do a >>> comparison. What I am comparing is the "Ecological Footprint" of CSA with >>> that of specialized, globally envisioned agricultural practices. The >>> Ecological Footprint is.... an "accounting too that enables us to estimate >>> the resource consumption and waste assimilation of a defined human >>> population or economy in terms of corrosponding productive land area" >>> (Rees, 1996) What I need is information on what is involved in a "typical" >>> CSA farm, throughout the farm's life. For example, what is the average >>> size of a farm, how far out is it located, what type of machinery is used, >>> is crop rotation a regualr practice, the impact on the soil, etc. >>> >>> I would really appreciate it if anyone out there could help me out. I am >>> awaiting a reply..... >>> >>> Hilary Chop >>> >>> hchop@sympatico.ca >> > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 10 21:25:32 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09163 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13268 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12484; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:18:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pnet1.prairienet.org (pnet1.prairienet.org [192.17.3.31]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07508 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:08:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shell.istar.ca (shell.iSTAR.ca [204.191.213.253]) by pnet1.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04457 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:09:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inforamp.net [204.191.136.8] by shell.istar.ca with esmtp (Exim 1.651 #11) id 0x8pOD-00037U-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from ts1-04.edm.iSTAR.ca (ts1-04.edm.iSTAR.ca [204.191.183.227]) by inforamp.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA27286 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19970910101753.303f89b4@mail.inforamp.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:17:53 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: sue To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Dove and finch repellents In-Reply-To: <39AAC4E5145@CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: sue@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 141 >Further to MARCIEROSE's enquiry about deer repellents, is anyone >aware of a solar-powered sonar repellent resource-poor farmers could >use to keep birds out of small (1 - 2 acre) fields of sunflower? I'm a lurker on this list - a freelance writer who has been planning to write about csa's. But this post prompted a response, which will be of no help but might amuse. 1) When I was working in the safari biz in Africa, a passenger on my truck asked about hippo repellents... 2) The Toronto Zoo has a problem with wild deer eating their flowering shrubs. Solution: place them next to the tiger cages. This may, of course, not be practical for most of you... Cheers, Sue Sue Sutton Freelance Writer Edmonton From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Sep 13 22:56:25 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15207 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08042 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05341; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:49:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05298 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jbarclay@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15203; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:46:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:46:06 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: CSA Networking List Subject: CSA-L E-Mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 142 All the e-mail lists on Prairienet, including CSA-L, went through a period of turmoil this week with the installation of new software. The effect of this was that any messages sent in the last few days were deleted and not sent to the CSA-L List. Our apologies for the inconvenience. If you sent something recently to CSA-L, please send it again. John Barclay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Sep 14 08:47:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22210 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00820 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA19392; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:32:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19316 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:29:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id FAA12953; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id FAA12040; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709141229.FAA12040@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:29:44 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Fwd: VISTA Assignment in Texas, starting October 1997 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-655611397-1833 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 143 --WebTV-Mail-655611397-1833 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-655611397-1833 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Received: from atlanta.american.edu (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by philadelphia.libertynet.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA15455 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:52 -0400 X-Received: from atlanta (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by atlanta.american.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26248 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:38:20 -0400 X-Received: from dresden.american.edu (dresden.american.edu [147.9.1.3]) by atlanta.american.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29804 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:38:15 -0400 X-Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dresden.american.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA43016 for vista-l@listserv.american.edu; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:37:17 -0400 X-Received: from rintintin.Colorado.EDU (geoghegb@rintintin.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.243]) by dresden.american.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05288 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:36:42 -0400 X-Received: from localhost (geoghegb@localhost) by rintintin.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p) with SMTP id PAA08721; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:36:00 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Approved-By: John Zelson Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:42:28 -0400 Reply-To: VISTA Mailing List Sender: VISTA Mailing List From: GEOGHEGAN BRIAN EDMUND Subject: VISTA Assignment in Texas, starting October 1997 To: VISTA-L@AMERICAN.EDU The following VISTA Project is currently recruiting qualified applicants. Please review the assignment described below and forward this description to any individuals or organizations that may be interested. For more information, contact the project directly at the number below. Do *not* reply to the entire mailing list. Applications are available online at http://www.cns.gov/apply.html Project name: Family Pathfinders Job Title: Volunteer project organizer Location: 11 Texas cities, Texas Approximate start date: October 1997 Project description: ---------------------------------------- Family Pathfinders is a partnership of religious congregations, civic groups, businesses and state government agencies working with welfare families to help them acheive independence from public assistance. Assignment description: ------------------------------------- To recruit and train volunteers from religious and civic groups, to organize local sponsors for Pathfinders, to educate the public regarding welfare reform issues. To promote Pathfinders and establish a relationship with news media, private foundations and other groups that can support the program. Desired skills and experience: ----------------------------- 1. Have an interest in reducing or eliminating dependency on public welfare programs. 2. Be able to persuade and motivate people from all sectors (religious, civic, business, government, etc.) of the community. 3. Have excellent written and oral communication skills, including the ability to speak to small and large groups. 4. Be experienced in, and enjoy, fund-raising and soliciting of in-kind donations. 5. Be experienced in recruiting, training and directing of volunteers. For more information, contact: ----------------------------- Lucy Todd, Director Phone: 1-800 355-7284, ext 52670 Fax: 512 463-4902 E-mail: lucy.todd@cpa.state.tx.us WWW: http://www.window.state.tx.us Additional information: ------------------------------------- There are 11 sites where VISTAs are needed, some urban, some medium sized towns.: Interfaith Ministries of Greater Houston, 3217 Montrose Blvd, Houston Texas 77006; Larry Norton, phone 713-522-3955, FAX 713-520-4663. Greater Dallas Community of Churches, 2800 Swiss Avenue, Dallas, Texas 75204; John Stoezc, phone 214 824-8680, FAX 214 824 8726. San Antonio Metropolitan Ministries, 910 West Commerce Street, San Antonio, Texas 78207; Mary Baird, phone 210 224 5838, FAX 210 224 5999. Tarrant Area Community of Churches, PO Box 11471, Fort Worth, Texas 76110; Ken McIntosh, phone 817 922-9446, FAX 817 922 9478 (2 positions). The Department of Human Services (4380 Spindletop), PO Box 6635, Abilene, Tx 79608-6635; Barbara Evans, 915-690-2224, Fax 690-2264. Corpus Christi Metropolitan Ministries, (1919 Leopard, 78408), PO Box 4899, Corpus Christ, Texas 78469-4899; Ed Seeger, phone 512-887-0151. United Board of Missions, PO Box 3856, Port Arthur, Texas 77650; Clark Moore, phone 409-982-9412, ext. 101. Also serves Beaumont. Volunteer Center of Lubbock, 1706 23rd St. Suite 101, Lubbock, Texas 79411-1214, Louise Cummins; phone 806-747-0551, FAX 747-8640. Diocese of Austin, Catholic Charities, PO Box 13327, Austin, Texas 78711-3327; Reverend James Evans, phone 512-476-4888, FAX 512-469-9537. PATH, 402 Front St.,Tyler, Texas 75702, Nancy Lamar, Phone 903-597-4044. ====================================================== Since 1964, VISTA (Volunteers In Service To America) has placed over 100,000 national service workers at agencies throughout the United States to help find community-based solutions to the root causes of poverty. Now part of the AmeriCorps program, VISTA provides its volunteers with a subsistence allowance (slightly above poverty level),health insurance, and a $4725 education voucher. This VISTA assignment was distributed through VISTA Link (http://bcn.boulder.co.us/community/vistalink/), an electronic recruitment system designed to assist local VISTA Sponsors attract qualified applicants nationwide. VISTA Link has been created and is maintained pro-bono by a former VISTA, Brian Geoghegan (Brian.Geoghegan@colorado.edu), independent of the Corporation for National Service and AmeriCorps. Your help in distributing this assignment as widely as possible (as appropriate) to interested parties will greatly assist the VISTA Sponsor described above and low-income community they serve. For more information: VISTA Web: http://www.libertynet.org/~zelson/vweb.html Corp Nat'l Service: http://www.cns.gov VISTA Link is grateful to its host, Boulder Community Network, Boulder, Colorado. --WebTV-Mail-655611397-1833-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 16 15:06:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05273 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09538 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00193; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:57:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00044 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:55:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip149.an4-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.15.149]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05776 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970916150228.4eaf3090@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Resource Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 Hi, everyone. Deborah Kane, who has done some very valuable CSA research, has asked me to post the following message to the CSA list: >The following publication is now available: > >Maximizing Shareholder Retention In Southeastern CSAs, by Deborah J. Kane >and Luanne Lohr. ($8.00) > >Some of you may have read about this work in a recent Growing For Market >article. Researchers at the University of Georgia worked with seven CSA >farms in the SE to try to determine the factors that most directly >influence shareholder retention. Among the methods employed were: > >1. New shareholder telephone interviews. New shareholders were called in >the Spring before any shares had been distributed and asked a series of >questions concerning their expectations for the upcoming experience. These >same shareholders were re-called in the Fall and reminded what they had >said in the Spring. Some were astounded that their expectations in the >Spring had been so unrealistic! For example, in the Spring, 66% of the >shareholders we spoke with were so excited about the upcoming experience >that they would have paid more than they already paid to join the CSA. By >the Fall, that number dropped to 39%. > >2. End of the Year Surveys. Comprehensive end of the year surveys which >asked 35 questions about satisfaction were mailed to 253 shareholders. A >surprising 78% were completed and returned. > >The report includes a detailed discussion of the results of these two >exercises, as well as a strong section on recommendations for maximizing >shareholder retention. > >Reports are available from the author. $8.00 covers the cost of printing >and mailing. Checks should be made payable to Deborah Kane. > >Deborah Kane >2703 NE 11th >Portland, OR 97212 > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 17 09:32:19 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18280 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18518 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA26543; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:17:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from homer.fast.net (homer.fast.net [198.69.204.15]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26504 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wlande.rodaleinst.org ([205.147.214.40]) by homer.fast.net (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA24988; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:17:14 -0400 Received: by wlande.rodaleinst.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC34A.D1917BA0@wlande.rodaleinst.org>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:19:37 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC34A.D1917BA0@wlande.rodaleinst.org> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:19:35 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Bill Landesman To: "'CSA-L'" , "'D-MGT'" , "'Dairy-L'" , "'DAIRY-MG'" , "'ENVIRONMENT-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: Rodale Institute Professional Training - NEW PRICE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 145 REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE FOR THE 21st CENTURY Rodale Institute's Natural Resource Management Professional Training Series October 28 - 31, 1997 The Rodale Institute, which for three generations has been making the vital connections between Healthy Soil, Healthy Food and Healthy People, announces the opportunity for interested individuals and institutions to participate in the first of its Natural Resource Management Training Series, Regenerative Agriculture for the 21st Century. The focus of the seminar will be on the use of regenerative technologies for enhancing soil fertility and managing natural resources, as well as on the relationship between soil health and human health. Utilizing the case study approach, participants will have the opportunity to gain knowledge and practical experience directly from the expertise of the Rodale Institute's Regenerative Agriculture Research Centers staff, including such topics as Soil Conservation from Senegal, West Africa, Community Forest Concessions, Peten, Guatemala, and Composting and Soil Health from Rodale Institute's Experimental Farm in Kutztown, PA. The purpose of this seminar is to familiarize emerging professionals in the fields of agriculture, international and community development, and natural resource management with concepts of regenerative agriculture technologies that recognize the interdependency between agriculture, human health and environmental responsibility. Recognizing that many of the solutions to the world's health problems are linked to our agricultural production and distributions systems, a new agenda for food and agricultural development is needed, one for a "greener revolution" directed at increasing the production of nutritionally adequate food supplies in ways that protect and maintain community health, socioeconomic environments, and ecological sustainability. The seminar is designed to be participatory and will make the transition from scientific research to practical field experience. The seminar should be particularly beneficial for NGO's, international development agencies, prospective or returned Peace Corps Volunteers, and students who plan to work in international development and project management. Cost of the four day training is $450.00. Price includes registration, all workshop activities, materials, lunch each day, and reception. Those who are unable to attend the entire workshop may attend individual workshop days at a rate of $150/day. Full payment must be received by October 14. If you need to cancel, registration fee less than $25 service charge per person will be refunded if cancellation is made more than one week in advance. Once payment is received, participants will receive an information packet which will include a full schedule of workshop events, hotel information, maps to the Rodale Institute and advance reading materials. Participants are responsible for making their own hotel reservations. Please make checks payable to "Rodale Institute" and mail to: NRM, The Rodale Institute, 611 Siegfriedale Rd, Kutztown, PA 19530. For more information please call John Sabella at (919) 795-5243 or e-mail Jsabella@Coastalnet.com PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS Tuesday, October 28 Day one will focus on the theoretical framework of Regenerative Agriculture, Food Systems and the implications to Human Health. Regenerative Agriculture: An Historical and Philosophical Perspective A visionary in rural Pennsylvania: the life and times of J.I. Rodale Presenters: Anthony Rodale, Vice-Chairman & John Haberern, President, Rodale Institute Regenerative Food Production & Distribution Systems Presenter: Ms. Jennifer Abel: Program Manager, Rodale Institute Health, Culture, and Agriculture: Healing the Planet; Healing Ourselves The relationships of human health to the land, using perspectives from Native American and African-based cultures Presenter: Dr. Gay Wilentz: Professor of Ethnic Studies, East Carolina University Gender and Regenerative Agriculture: A new Paradigm for the 21st Century Presenters: Dr. Gay Wilentz & Ms. Vore Seck: Director, Senegal Regenerative Agriculture Resource Center Evening Presentation The Rodale Institute/Muhlenberg College Public Seminar Environmental/Natural Resource Management Through The Lens of Other Cultures Wednesday, October 29 Day two: Utilizing the case-study approach, we will examine critical issues relating to Natural Resource Management. Case Study Moderator: Dr John Sabella, Training & Education Coordinator, International Programs, Rodale Institute Stabilizing Shifting Cultivation in Tropical Forests Projecto Centro Maya, Peten, Guatemala Presenter: Ing. Mauro Salazar: Coordinator for Forestry Management Soil Conservation and Regeneration in the Sahel Rodale's Regenerative Agriculture Resource Center, Senegal, West Africa Presenter: Ms. Vore Seck: Director Thursday, October 30 Day three will focus on the use of Analytical Frameworks for the Design and Evaluation of Natural Resource Management Projects Project Implementation and Data Collection Participatory Monitoring and Evaluation Presenter: Dr. Jonathon Landeck: International Programs, Rodale Institute Data Management and Analysis Diffusion of Results: New areas for Collaborative Research & Development Presenter: Dr. Amadou Diop: Interrnational Programs, Rodale Institute Friday, October 31 Day four will focus on Soil Health and Regeneration Composting Principals of Compost Management; Compost site design; Evaluating Compost Quality; Management strategies Presenter: Cary Oshins: Compost Management Specialist, Rodale Institute Healthy Soil Composition, Structure and Texture; Organic matter; Soil Micro-Organisms; Natural soil amendments Soil Building, Conservation & Management Legume's, Cover Crops and Green Manure; Rotational Cropping; Vermiculture Presenter: Dr. Laurie Drinkwater: Coordinator for U.S.A. Programs, Rodale Institute From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 23 14:40:16 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23269 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20914 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08327; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp12.netcom.com [163.179.3.12]) by up (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08237 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:33:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by netcomsv.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with UUCP id LAA07691 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crenshaw.mcm.com by guava.mcm.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR) id KAA14767; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:23:33 -0700 Received: from elainempc.mcm.com by crenshaw.mcm.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11404; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:23:31 -0700 Message-Id: <9709231723.205510@elainempc.mcm.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 10:23:32 PDT Reply-To: elainem@mcm.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: elainem@mcm.com (Elaine Manuele) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: csa in pa X-Host-Id: crenshaw X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 146 Hi Folks, I am looking for a CSA that is very close to my mom. She lives in Hazleton PA. She does not have transportation out of her town but if someone has a drop in her town, I would be interested in subscribing for her. My CSA is Eatwell Farm in CA. I love getting my basket every week, it's like receiving a wonderful present. I enjoy the veggies the most when I am able to get friends together and make a big meal for us. The most amazing thing about the veggies is how vibrant (energywise) they are. Elaine Manuele From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 23 14:56:28 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23555 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26308 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09937; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calvin.metrokc.gov (calvin.metrokc.gov [146.129.126.118]) by up (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09857 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from utilexch.metrokc.gov (dms.metrokc.gov) by metrokc.gov (PMDF V5.1-4 #15616) with SMTP id <01INZBS3S4KW0000QM@metrokc.gov> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:49:32 PST Received: by utilexch.metrokc.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCC817.152E2540@utilexch.metrokc.gov>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:51:52 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:51:50 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Stienbarger, Douglas" To: "'csa-l@prairienet.org'" Subject: Conference Focus Session: Farming the Urban Fringe MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 i believe this announcement is appropriate and I apologize for any cross postings. ************************************************************************ *************** CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT Food & Natural Resource Systems: Integrating Diversity, Inquiry, Action, & People Third North American Conference of the Farming Systems Research & Extension Association in collaboration with Oregon State University Washington State University, Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources And Other Groups November 2-5, 1997 Resort at the Mountain Welches (Mt. Hood), OR Focus Session: Farming the Urban Fringe Organized by the WSU Western Washington Small Farms Team (see URL: http://smallfarms.wsu.edu/UrbFarm.htm) Farming the Urban Fringe is one of four concurrent focus sessions at the Farming Systems Research & Extension conference. Focus sessions integrate knowledge and experience with focused and facilitated discussion. Focus session discussions will highlight integrated research or inquiry along with facts, analysis, and feedback. The other three focus sessions at the conference are: Community Food Systems; Watershed Inquiry and Action; Crop and Livestock Production Systems. Farming the Urban Fringe will explore social, economic, and environmental issues associated with agriculture in the urban-rural interface. Voices will be heard from individuals and organizations shaping this issue such as farmers and their neighbors, consumers, government agencies, activists, media, and the business community. Call for Presentations (Deadline: October 15) 1. Submit an abstract and indicate your interest in presenting a 5-minute summary to serve as an introduction to one of the following four major topics for this focus session for the Monday program: * Economics and Farm Profitability - value added, niche markets, marketing, maintaining viable farms in face of high land prices & taxes * Land Use Planning and Preservation - preservation and use of agricultural lands, land resource availability, regulations, incentives (taxes, right to farm, etc), urban food policy * Community Relations, Communication, and Learning - demand for locally grown food, rural-urban understanding/interaction, media role/coverage * Resource Stewardship - water quality, waste management, pesticide use & management, fertilizer & nutrient management, recycling, composting 2. Submit a description or short summary for a poster, photo display, agency exhibit, etc. to present at the Learning Bazaar on Sunday. 3. Volunteer to tell a story to lead off the Story-Telling session on Sunday. Stories should describe the complexity and connections of food and natural resource systems. Session Agenda: Farming the Urban Fringe Sunday Nov 2 2 - 9 pm: Learning Bazaar, Food, Fair, and Reception Look, listen and learn by attending poster sessions, photo displays, agency exhibits and a systems thinking/action bazaar. 4 - 7 pm: Story-telling, which describes the complexity and connections of food and natural resource systems. All participants will be invited to tell their story. Monday Nov 3 7:00: Breakfast in the Ballroom. 8 - 8:30: Introductions and expectations of the conference format will be explained. 8:30 - 9:20: Plenary session: Farming the Urban Fringe (speaker to be announced). Introduction to systems thinking in simple and understandable terms: * Patterns, relationships, interconnections; * Building the rationale for systems; * Value of systems' diverse context and bringing diverse interests together. 9:30 -1:30 pm: Four themes of Farming the Urban Fringe - Two 5-minute presentations will be made for each topic followed a 30 minute discussion. 9:30 - 10:15: Economics and Farm Profitability (2 presentations / discussion) 10:15 - 11:00: Land Use Planning and Preservation (2 presentations / discussion) 11:00 - 12:00: Brunch 12:00 - 12:45: Community Relations, Communication, and Learning (2 presentations / discussion) 12:45 - 1:30: Resource Stewardship (2 presentations / discussion) 1:30 - 2:40: Self-selected Break-out Groups Participants will remain in one meeting room but will form break-out groups to further discuss one of the four major topics or other topic(s) identified by the group. The charge will be to: * Look for common trends and issues; * Fit commonalties to what will be seen on the field tour. 2:40 - 3:30: Break-out groups will provide 5-minute synopses of findings / discussion to the whole focus group, followed by general dialogue 3:30 - 4:00: Break 4:00 - 4:30: Focus Group Presentation. Focus groups present 5 minute summaries to the whole conference. 4:30 - 5:00: Remarks & Reflections. Whole conference session (speaker to be announced). 6:30 - 7:30: Dinner 7:30 - 9:30: Spontaneous Learning Groups ********************************* Tuesday Nov 4 Field Tour: A box lunch will be provided for tour participants The tour is designed to complement the four major topics of Farming the Urban Fringe and to enable participants to assess: * What are people researching? * How are they doing the research? * What relationships/connections are they making? * Who will use the results; how will the results improve the situation? These questions will be considered in the context of the following tour schedule: * Ornamental nursery stock production - the leading agricultural industry in Oregon is based near Portland; * High-value horticultural food crops in southwest Washington - ginseng and red raspberries; * Animal waste management - tour an award winning dairy on the Portland urban fringe that excels at working with nearby neighbors; * State-wide land use planning that preserves farm land - Oregon leads the nation in agricultural land preservation efforts. Wednesday Nov 5 7:00 - 8:30: Working Breakfast Break-out groups will meet over breakfast and prepare a list, poster, diagram, story, or some other summary of their discoveries about researching/integrating agriculture in the urban fringe environment. Flip chart paper, pens and other supplies will be available along with breakfast. 8:30 - 10:00: "Going To The Fair" For the first 40 minutes, half of each break-out group will be "exhibiting/presenting" the groups' discoveries/summaries to the entire conference group while the other half will be touring the "exhibits" prepared by all the focus groups. After 40 minutes, the "presenters" switch roles so that everyone has an opportunity to view and learn from the exhibits. 10:00 - 10:30: Break 10:30 - 12:00: Whole Systems Research Focus group will reconvene and break-out groups will re-form to discuss: 1) What is whole systems research? 2) What is working, what ought to be improved? 3) How/what can citizens or multiple agencies contribute? 4) How/when can causal research be integrated? 5) What might be changed in how we currently do research and inquiry? 12:00 - 1:00: Lunch 1:00 - 2:00: Break-out groups will provide 5-minute synopses of findings / discussion to the whole focus group, followed by general dialogue. 2:00 - 2:30: Break 2:30 - 3:30: Discoveries, Critical Analysis, & Reflections - Wrap-Up. Each focus group will make a 10-minute presentation of their cumulative discoveries to the whole conference. 3:30 - 5:00: Town Hall A Town Hall meeting featuring citizens and agency heads along with conferees will discuss the conference themes which were identified in the previous session. 6:00: Gala Dinner, Theater and Farewells To Submit Presentations for This Session/ For More Information/Farmer Scholarships: Carol Miles, PhD Area Faculty, Agricultural Systems Chehalis, WA (URL: http://smallfarms.wsu.edu/UrbFarm.htm) Douglas M. Stienbarger Area Faculty, Agriculture and Natural Resources WSU Cooperative Extension 700 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3700 Seattle, WA 98104-5037 tel: 206-205-6390 Fax: 206-296-0952 e-mail: douglas.stienbarger@metrokc.gov For General Conference Information/ Registration Packet: Stefan Seiter (e-mail: seiters@bcc.orst.edu) Ray D. William (e-mail: williamr@bcc.orst.edu) Oregon State University Horticulture Department, 4017 ALS Corvallis, OR 97330 Tel: 541-737-5441 Douglas M. Stienbarger Area Faculty, Agriculture & Natural Resources, King & Pierce Counties Washington State University Cooperative Extension 700th Fifth Ave., Suite 3700 Seattle, WA 98104-5037 Direct Line & Voice Mail: 206-205-6390 mailto:douglas.stienbarger@metrokc.gov fax: 206-296-0952 Office telephone: 206-296-3900 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 25 12:58:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09709 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10691 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01039; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00833 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:52:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA11319 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970925125044_844473898@emout02.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: CURLIES@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Sorry to ask the list but... X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 148 Hi folks - Sorry to ask the list, but queries to the owner address have yielded nothing: I need to sign off this list! Can anyone tell me how? Normal listserv type signoff commands don't seem to do a darn thing. Thanks very much - Anne Buried in tomatoes & peaches in Santa Cruz, CA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 26 13:28:05 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08196 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00934 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29091; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28874 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:19:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07122 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA04232 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: making the inspector the extensionist (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 149 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:56:39 -0400 From: Karl S North To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: making the inspector the extensionist This is in response to Joel Gruver's message: NOFA-NY Certification Program considered making the inspector also the outreach educator, but since the inspector eats up a large chunk of the budget of our shoestring program, we decided that was not affordable.Instead the NOFA-NY parent organisation handles outreachin a number of ways, all with volunteer labor. One way is an apprenticeship project pairing certified farmers with wanabees, kicked off with a couple of general informational meetings attended by all pairs. In response to growing interest in dairy certification, our certification program administrator has done presentations at dairy farmer meetings around the state where technical questions involved inthe transition to organic are discussed at length. But I agree in principle it makes sense that the regulator be the educator. Karl North Northland Sheep Dairy northsheep@juno.com "Nature never tries to farm without livestock" --Albert Howard From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Sep 27 01:23:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22046 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20972 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14528; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13659 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:03:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21879 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA29656 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Opportunity (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 150 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Walt Blackford To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: CSA Opportunity Hello Sanet-mg, I'm helping a local landowner realize his commitment to recruit a person (or persons) to operate a CSA on his organic certified land on Whidbey Island near Seattle. I'll paste the "offering" below which outlines the opportunity. Please feel free to pass this information along as appropriate. Best wishes to all, Walt Blackford [NOTE: the document is formatted in Word 6.0 for Mac platform....] Our Farm 5544 Bayview Road Langley, Washington 98260 The current steward of the land known as Our Farm, Barkley McLaughlin, is seeking an experienced individual/couple to create a CSA operation on Whidbey Island in beautiful Puget Sound. Details of this opportunity are provided below. The Land: Nine acres of organically-certified farmland near Langley, Washington on the south end of Whidbey Island about 40 miles northwest of Seattle. The property is near the intersection of Bayview Road (one of two main access routes to Langley) and Hwy 525 (the only north-south corridor that runs the length of Whidbey Island). A storage building and a well are in place. A crop of echinacea was harvested in 1996. During 1997, the property is being managed and maintained in preparation for planting in 1998. The Intention: Our goal is to develop the land into a productive, economically viable agricultural project that serves the needs of the Island community. We anticipate a diversity of programs and activities integrated within the overall project. Our further intention is to behave as responsible stewards of the land through a commitment to sustainable land use principles and practices. This will include using production methods and materials that satisfy or exceed standards required to maintain organic certification. In all of our work we will strive to achieve these additional objectives: * to provide a model of sustainable agriculture that will motivate and inspire conventional farmers on Whidbey Island to adopt this approach, and that will attract new people to farming as a livelihood; * to incorporate farm-based educational opportunities for young people and adults -- including on-site instructional programs for student groups from the Whidbey Island community and from nearby urban areas (Everett, Lynnwood, Seattle, Bellevue, Bellingham, Edmonds, etc.); and * to address the needs of the local community as our primary tarket market. page 2 The Programs: A number of possibilities are being explored. Our goal is to identify a sustainable mix that will make efficient use of the land while being economically viable within 2-3 years. The immediate objective is to have a CSA operation, possibly including a limited number of farm animals (sheep, goats, and/or chickens), in place for the 1998 growing season. As a complement to the CSA program, we are open to the idea of offering small plots (allotments or pea patches) for individuals and families who wish to learn about organic gardening and/or who simply want to produce food for themselves. In cooperation with experienced local educators, we plan to offer on-site educational programs for young people and adults. We do not anticipate this program will be offered during the 1998 season. The Timeframe. During 1997, a soil-building cover crop of rye and vetch is in place. Weed control is being carried out. Civil engineering for a pond has been completed, and an application for a permit has been submitted to the County. Recruitment of a CSA operator is underway, and selection will be made as soon as a qualified individual/couple is identified. Terms and Conditions. Financial terms and responsibilities of the parties are negotiable. The CSA operator(s) will contract to lease the land and equipment for a specified period and amount. The property owner is prepared to consider deferred payments and/or other arrangements that reduce some of the risk for the operator(s). Operator(s) must satisfy the property owner that sufficient working capital is in hand for living expenses, start-up costs, and to sustain operations until subscription revenue is collected. A partially-furnished, two-bedroom house is available for rent on land adjacent to the farmland. One of the bedrooms will be retained as an office and may be used occasionally as a sleeping room (Saturday nights only). Project Coordinator. Initial research and concept development is being provided by Walt Blackford. He has been a management consultant for more than 13 years and served for three years as an advisor and board member for the Colorado Organic Producers Association. For more information about this project, please contact Walt by phone at 360/221-6296 or by email at -------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence F. London, Jr. - InterGarden - Venaura Farm mailto:london@sunSITE.unc.edu - mailto:llondon@bellsouth.net http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden/permaculture.html -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Sep 27 01:24:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22053 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21350 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14620; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:19:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13987 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:09:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21965 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA03809 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Oct 3-5 BD Conference Workshop Titles (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 151 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:17:15 -0400 From: BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST To: World Sustainable Agriculture Association Subject: Oct 3-5 BD Conference Workshop Titles In addition to featured speakers on the contribution to sustainable agriculture of English horticulturist Alan Chadwick, the following workshops will be availble Oct 3-5 at the East Coast Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Conference. o Eugene Canales: Italian Spading Machine Clinic* o Eugene Canales: Walking Tractors* o Hugh Courtney: Working with Barrel Compost * o Hugh Courtney: Making BD 500 (horn packing and discussion)* o Bruce Blevins: Succulent Garden Greens o Jennifer Greene: The Nature of the Vortex o Jennifer Greene: Working with Water* o Jim Foltz: The World of Medicinal Herbs (including a discussion of tincture making) (not BD) o Rex Harrill: Food Quality Testing: BRIX(not BD) o Andrea Huff: Human Nutrition, Child Development and the Development of Spiritual Receptivity o Paul Lee: TBA Herb Topic (not BD) o Harvey Lisle: Food Quality Testing Series: Dowsing o Harvey Lisle: A Cure for Bee Mites o Hugh Lovel: Cosmic Pipe Workshop (Build your own pipe in this workshop. Hugh has some inexpensive kits and will help you construct, tune, and operate your pipe. You must reserve a kit before the show!) o Hugh Lovel: What is Biodynamics? o Mike Nickerson: Global Climate Change and Sustainable Agriculture (Not BD: USDA) o Gary Puterka: Machined Clay Sprays for Pest and Disease Control (Not BD: USDA) o Craig Siska: TBA Chadwick Method Class (double digging or horticultural topic) o Steve Storch Farm-scale stirring machine demo o Mark Trela: BD Cut Flower Production. Drying flowers organically for crafts and display. o Chris Shay: Food Quality Testing Series: Paper Chromatography, Crystallization, etc o Peter Tompkins: Secret Life of Nature (Presentation Cancelled: Special Video for this Conference (A few signed copies of "Secret Life of Nature" first edition hardback available for $22.50. (Reserve!)) o Dan Underwood: The Cabrini Greens inner city gardening project NOTE: Some workshops are open to the public with no charge, but reservations must be made!! For more information: Allan Balliett, Conference Coordinator, (304) 876-2373 igg@igg.com or http://www.biodynamics.com *These are several hour long, hands-on workshops Come when you can, leave when you want, come again later. */*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/ East Coast BD Conference Oct 3-5, featuring Jennifer Greene, Hugh Courtney, Hugh Lovel, Bruce Blevins, Harvey Lisle and an incredible SPADING MACHINE CLINIC (both field size machines and garden size machines) + many other events of interest to ecological growers. http://www.biodynamics.com for more information!! West Coast BD Conference Nov 7-9 featuring Jennifer Greene, Steve Moore and Anne Mendenhall. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE for BIODYNAMIC resources: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 29 16:59:30 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06396 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from up.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15788 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21286; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:54:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by up.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21015; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.86]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id MAA15154; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id MAA23906; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709291954.MAA23906@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:54:51 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, CSA-L@prairienet.org, farmusa@erols.com, foodcoop-l@prairienet.org, kicf-l@icx.net, greenclb@homeport.tcs.tulane.edu, URSP-HCD@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Some things to think about... Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-761413411-5775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 152 --WebTV-Mail-761413411-5775 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I gleaned these concepts from reliable sources. Sincerely, CJF http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-761413411-5775 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:41:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "OX O.A.S.I.S." To: ooasis@webtv.net Subject: Forwarded mail.... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII * redefining luxury and wealth * having time to enjoy life * having time to explore one's creativity * vibrant community arts program * live virtually debt and expense free * no utility bills through alternative energy research and development * peaceful, serene, quiet environment * trees, orchards, gardens, woodlands, and safe walking paths and bicycle trails * locally produced organic food * pollution and pesticide free environment * nondiscrimination and cultural diversity * neighbors who are environmentally aware, have deep appreciation and respect for nature * affordable housing ("ultra low cost luxurious housing") * ecological construction, toxic-free, lead-free, biodegradable, recyclable * ecological waste systems (closed loop) * pristine water quality * permaculture * home-based pollution-free farm handcraft businesses * skills databank * community integrated education * large, safe play areas for children and child care cooperative * work and food coop centers in urban, suburban, and rural areas * Community Center, or Common House, per cluster, with communal functions: * dining * entertainment * wood-working * metal-working * electronics * crafts (pottery, sewing, etc. * information utilities (library, * healing center (meditation, eco-spa, etc.) computing center, etc.) * lodging space for relatives, visitors * encourage neighborhood self-sufficiency * contribute to the education and socialization of children and youth * create opportunities for multi-cultural understanding * offer ecological education * foster intergenerational contact * meet social and recreational needs * improve family nutrition and increase community food security * deepen people's understanding of local ecosystems * promote biodiversity and seed saving * provide vocational training and work experience * help prevent drug and alcohol abuse * enhance neighborhood safety and beauty * build coalitions among groups dedicated to community revitalization --WebTV-Mail-761413411-5775-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 29 21:55:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12298 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sagegrass (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25755 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sagegrass (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24384; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by sagegrass (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24267; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:49:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail2.ozemail.com.au (mail2.ozemail.com.au [203.108.12.34]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA17234; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:48:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from passion (slwol2p26.ozemail.com.au [203.7.182.114]) by mail2.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24938; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:47:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199709300147.LAA24938@mail2.ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:16:57 +1000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "April Sampson-Kelly" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , , "old sustag mailing list" , "Oz Green" , "Pacific Edge Permaculture" , , "Permaculture Mailing List" , , "Permaculture Journal" Subject: Fw: help needed urgently on toxins and poultry please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 153 April Sampson-Kelly askpv@ozemail.com.au www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv My space can make this world a better place > I have forwarded this letter to all the mailing groups I know and something > should turn > up as they are great support people. > > As regards to actual statistics, I would aim to find evidence with SIMILAR > rainfall and SIMILAR soil type > as soil pH and water content effect breakdown (if any) of toxins and > leaching away from the surface, > you may or may not be on bore water - this is unfortunate if you are as the > toxins leached could be > resurfaced and re-applied in the bore water. > > > April Sampson-Kelly askpv@ozemail.com.au > www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv > My space can make this world a better place > > ---------- > > From: Fett, Dennis M > > To: askpv@ozemail.com.au > > Subject: help > > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 11:52 PM > > > > I need help for my court case on Oct 7, 1997 because our Organic fruit > > and peacock farm was over spraided 2 years ago. Is there any printed > > material on how long 2,4D will effect my fruit trees, have been told up > > to 4 years...what about the soil...any hepl on court cases where people > > won a case...just found your page...we need to have all we can...the > > 2,4D has caused lost on our peacocks, do you know any cases on > > poultry??? > > > > DENNIS FETT > > 712-483-2472 > > Fax 712-483-2155 > > www.peafowl.com From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Mon Sep 29 21:59:11 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12341 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26481 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 61633 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <66210-2787>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:50:55 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (port 2806 [203.108.7.41]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <65878-2791>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:48:12 -0400 Received: from mail2.ozemail.com.au (mail2.ozemail.com.au [203.108.12.34]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA17259; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:48:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from passion (slwol2p26.ozemail.com.au [203.7.182.114]) by mail2.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24938; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:47:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199709300147.LAA24938@mail2.ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:16:57 +1000 Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "April Sampson-Kelly" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Illegal-Object: Syntax error in To: address found on listserv.oit.unc.edu: To: ^-extraneous tokens in address, missing end of address Cc: , , "old sustag mailing list" , "Oz Green" , "Pacific Edge Permaculture" , , "Permaculture Mailing List" , , "Permaculture Journal" Subject: Fw: help needed urgently on toxins and poultry please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 154 April Sampson-Kelly askpv@ozemail.com.au www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv My space can make this world a better place > I have forwarded this letter to all the mailing groups I know and something > should turn > up as they are great support people. > > As regards to actual statistics, I would aim to find evidence with SIMILAR > rainfall and SIMILAR soil type > as soil pH and water content effect breakdown (if any) of toxins and > leaching away from the surface, > you may or may not be on bore water - this is unfortunate if you are as the > toxins leached could be > resurfaced and re-applied in the bore water. > > > April Sampson-Kelly askpv@ozemail.com.au > www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv > My space can make this world a better place > > ---------- > > From: Fett, Dennis M > > To: askpv@ozemail.com.au > > Subject: help > > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 11:52 PM > > > > I need help for my court case on Oct 7, 1997 because our Organic fruit > > and peacock farm was over spraided 2 years ago. Is there any printed > > material on how long 2,4D will effect my fruit trees, have been told up > > to 4 years...what about the soil...any hepl on court cases where people > > won a case...just found your page...we need to have all we can...the > > 2,4D has caused lost on our peacocks, do you know any cases on > > poultry??? > > > > DENNIS FETT > > 712-483-2472 > > Fax 712-483-2155 > > www.peafowl.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 30 11:43:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24897 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sagegrass (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03234 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sagegrass (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06697; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:38:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from milhouse.infohouse.com ([206.30.88.4]) by sagegrass (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06609; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([208.138.96.29]) by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 141-39833U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA168; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:15:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3430DF3A.52F7@webcity-development.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:15:06 +0000 Reply-To: janesherry@webcity-development.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jane Sherry To: "Ooasis Inc." Cc: AGRISYNERGY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, CSA-L@prairienet.org, farmusa@erols.com, foodcoop-l@prairienet.org, kicf-l@icx.net, greenclb@homeport.tcs.tulane.edu, URSP-HCD@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: Some things to think about... References: <199709291954.MAA23906@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 Ooasis Inc. wrote: > > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I gleaned these concepts from reliable sources. > Sincerely, > > CJF > > http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis > "The cruelty-free living development center" > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Forwarded mail.... (fwd) > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:41:39 -0500 (CDT) > From: "OX O.A.S.I.S." > To: ooasis@webtv.net > > * redefining luxury and wealth > * having time to enjoy life > * having time to explore one's creativity > * vibrant community arts program > * live virtually debt and expense free > * no utility bills through alternative energy research and development > * peaceful, serene, quiet environment > * trees, orchards, gardens, woodlands, and safe walking paths and bicycle trails > * locally produced organic food > * pollution and pesticide free environment > * nondiscrimination and cultural diversity > * neighbors who are environmentally aware, have deep appreciation and > respect for nature > * affordable housing ("ultra low cost luxurious housing") > * ecological construction, toxic-free, lead-free, biodegradable, > recyclable > * ecological waste systems (closed loop) > * pristine water quality > * permaculture > * home-based pollution-free farm handcraft businesses > * skills databank > * community integrated education > * large, safe play areas for children and child care cooperative > * work and food coop centers in urban, suburban, and rural areas > > * Community Center, or Common House, per cluster, with communal functions: > * dining * entertainment > * wood-working * metal-working > * electronics * crafts (pottery, sewing, etc. > * information utilities (library, * healing center > (meditation, eco-spa, etc.) > computing center, etc.) * lodging space for > relatives, visitors > > * encourage neighborhood self-sufficiency > * contribute to the education and socialization of children and youth > * create opportunities for multi-cultural understanding > * offer ecological education > * foster intergenerational contact > * meet social and recreational needs > * improve family nutrition and increase community food security > * deepen people's understanding of local ecosystems > * promote biodiversity and seed saving > * provide vocational training and work experience > * help prevent drug and alcohol abuse > * enhance neighborhood safety and beauty > * build coalitions among groups dedicated to community revitalization Can we set this up soon? From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Oct 1 06:20:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA22665 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA19456 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA25497; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:15:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca (smtp1.yt.sympatico.ca [204.101.251.52]) by coneflower (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19049 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Sympatico.sympatico.ca (ppp1830.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.228.102]) by smtp1.sympatico.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09778 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970930145554.00686c3c@pop1.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:55:54 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Hilary Chop To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Farm Locations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: b1qbem96@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 156 I'm clooking to visit some farms. Are any of you located near Ottawa? Hilary Chop hchop@sympatico.ca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 3 07:14:51 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA05434 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16149 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11143; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11102 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:08:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA24619 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971003070834_150097883@emout06.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: SUEHUL@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Slug Help X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 I am in need of some advice about slugs. Especially -- Do they winter over (in Minnesota)? Is there anything I can do this fall to reduce my slug population in the spring? Are there ways to deter them, as opposed to just killing them when they come? How much salting of slugs can I do before it's going to hurt my soil? Thanks! Sue Hulsether Big gardener, & CSA wannabe From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 3 12:41:11 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12774 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24681 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29508; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:35:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ipgate.dbc.com (IP9-201.DBC.COM [199.217.9.201]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29373 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:33:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmdavidson (199.217.10.10) by ipgate.dbc.com (MX F5.0) with SMTP; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:33:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971003163531.009267e4@pop.batnet.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:35:31 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Loren Davidson To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Slug Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: beauty@pop.batnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 158 At 07:08 AM 10/3/97 -0400, SUEHUL@aol.com wrote: >I am in need of some advice about slugs. Especially -- > > Do they winter over (in Minnesota)? >Is there anything I can do this fall to reduce my slug population in the >spring? >Are there ways to deter them, as opposed to just killing them when they come? >How much salting of slugs can I do before it's going to hurt my soil? Ducks love 'em to death, if you're in a place where you can raise ducks. Side benefits of this are duck eggs, feathers, duck poop for fertilizer, Duck A l'Orange and feathers for decoration and/or feather meal. I try to avoid adding *any* salt to my soil. Irrigating with groundwater already does that. Other possible remedies: Picking after dark (yecch), sprinkling diatomaceous earth (DE) around your plants (microscopic sharp points that hurt slugs & snails to crawl over - this will have to be reapplied after rains and/or watering), crushed eggshells, and copper strips. I'm sure there's more...that's just off the top of my head. Loren, who deals with snails *and* slugs in the garden -- Loren Davidson loren@wombat.net http://www.batnet.com/beauty/ "Fundamentalism stops a thinking mind" - seen on a bumper sticker From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 3 12:57:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13069 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28556 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01067; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inforamp.net (InfoRamp.net [204.191.136.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00992 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ts1-15.edm.iSTAR.ca [204.191.183.238] by inforamp.net with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xHAwl-0007Gb-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:51:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971003105628.20574428@mail.inforamp.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:56:28 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: sue To: SUEHUL@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Slug Help In-Reply-To: <971003070834_150097883@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: sue@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 159 My grandmother uses crushed eggshells around the flower beds, and it works like a charm. I guess they don't like those sharp edges on their sensitive skins. Good luck, Sue Edmonton PS I don't know if they winter over, but it's a fair guess that they don't migrate! :-) At 07:08 AM 10/3/97 -0400, SUEHUL@aol.com wrote: >I am in need of some advice about slugs. Especially -- > > Do they winter over (in Minnesota)? >Is there anything I can do this fall to reduce my slug population in the >spring? >Are there ways to deter them, as opposed to just killing them when they come? >How much salting of slugs can I do before it's going to hurt my soil? > >Thanks! > >Sue Hulsether >Big gardener, & CSA wannabe > > > > > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 3 13:50:40 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17511 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12389 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04385; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@schilling.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04154 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:38:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (root@catbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.190]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.18) with ESMTP id KAA25712; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (szradema@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.18) with SMTP id KAA02343; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Matthew Rademacher Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Matthew Rademacher To: SUEHUL@aol.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Slug Help In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971003163531.009267e4@pop.batnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: szradema@catbert.ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 160 Beer works. Put in a container that the slugs can access; about the height of a tuna can. Put beer, old beer, unfermented wort, etc., into container. Observe in a week or two and you will see high numbers of slugs in the containers. I was amazed the first time I tried this. Matt > At 07:08 AM 10/3/97 -0400, SUEHUL@aol.com wrote: > >I am in need of some advice about slugs. Especially -- > > > > Do they winter over (in Minnesota)? > >Is there anything I can do this fall to reduce my slug population in the > >spring? > >Are there ways to deter them, as opposed to just killing them when they come? > >How much salting of slugs can I do before it's going to hurt my soil? From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 3 14:35:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18286 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24350 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08009; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:28:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (uucp@access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.178.11]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07813 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id NAA13380 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from indigo.wpg.cwb.ca by green.wpg.cwb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43746; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:12:28 -0500 Received: from ccMail by indigo.wpg.cwb.ca (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA875909437; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:02:02 CDT Message-Id: <9709038759.AA875909437@indigo.wpg.cwb.ca> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:02:02 CDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Pat_Elazar@cwb.ca To: SUEHUL@aol.com, Matthew Rademacher Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re[2]: Slug Help X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 161 I garden on a lg scale in Winnipeg. I tried beer traps in the swamp years of "92" & "93", but that seemed to attract more wasps than slugs to the traps. "94" was very dry, with next to nil slug damage, so I tried deeper but less frequent waterings in "95", "96" & "97" with some success. I also use 20-20-20 instead of NaCl (I also use that to melt ice in the winter instead of rock salt). It works just as good on slug outbreaks as NaCl, but does less damage to the garden... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Slug Help Author: Matthew Rademacher at INTERNET Date: 10/3/97 12:41 PM Beer works. Put in a container that the slugs can access; about the height of a tuna can. Put beer, old beer, unfermented wort, etc., into container. Observe in a week or two and you will see high numbers of slugs in the containers. I was amazed the first time I tried this. Matt > At 07:08 AM 10/3/97 -0400, SUEHUL@aol.com wrote: > >I am in need of some advice about slugs. Especially -- > > > > Do they winter over (in Minnesota)? > >Is there anything I can do this fall to reduce my slug population in the > >spring? > >Are there ways to deter them, as opposed to just killing them when they come? > >How much salting of slugs can I do before it's going to hurt my soil? From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 6 01:01:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13607 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08197 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27067; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20418 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:19:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.224.73.68] (gb1ip8.bcn.net [208.224.73.68]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08422 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:20:34 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: N.E. CSA Regional Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 NORTHEAST REGIONAL COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE CONFERENCE A FUTURE FOR FARMING IN THE NORTHEAST NOVEMBER 7-8, 1997 HANCOCK, MASSACHUSETTS Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) is the mutually beneficial arrangement whereby farmers and members cooperate to grow and distribute food. CSA is a rapidly expanding approach to marketing produce and is one of the most dynamic innovations in small-scale agriculture today. For many farmers across the country, CSA has proven to be an effective way to maintain profitable, environmentally sound farms. CSA of North America, in partnership with Just Food, UMass Extension and Wilson College, is convening this conference to address the challenges to, and explore the potential for, creating and operating successful CSA farms. The conference's goals are to: Support the successful development of existing CSA farms Promote the establishment of new CSA farms Increase public awareness of the importance of regional agriculture and CSA Educate Extension and other USDA staff about CSA The conference is designed to maximize the opportunities for exchange among farmers, CSA members, Extension personnel and others. If you are interested in CSA, please come to share and learn from one another.
    Workshops are divided into five categories focusing on different aspects of CSA. In addition to those categories, other topics will be
    presented in informal round table discussions. Each panelist will speak for about ten minutes, leaving a full hour for participant discussion and interaction. CSA CROP PRODUCTION CROP PRODUCTION AND CSA ON SIX ACRES OR LESS Janet Britt, NY Dan Guenther, NY Carol Rees, VT Sam Smith, MA CROP PRODUCTION AND CSA ON SEVEN ACRES OR MORE Jean-Paul Courtens, NY Michael Docter, MA Jim Kinsel, NJ SOIL MANAGEMENT Scott Chaskey, NY Sam Smith, MA Bob Walker, NY CROP SELECTION AND PRODUCTION FOR BEGINNERS Seth Jacobs, NY Steve Moore, PA TBA (to be announced) SEED VARIETIES FOR CSA C.R. Lawn, ME Tom Stearns, VT MECHANICAL WEED CONTROL AND MAXIMIZING EFFICIENCY Linda Hildebrand, MA Arnold Voehringer, MA FARM SCALE AND CSA Michael Docter, MA Tim Sanford & Susan Long, VT TBA SHARED PRODUCTION: MULTIPLE-FARM CSA Alan Matthews, PA TBA CSA MARKETING MIXING CSA AND OTHER MARKET OUTLETS Martha Daughdrill, MD David DeWitt, NY Sam Reist, PA MARKETING OTHER PRODUCTS THROUGH CSA Jennifer Castle, NY Marcie Shemaria, NY TBA MARKETING CSA TO INSTITUTIONS John Bachman, NY Polly Hutchison, RI TBA FARM-STAND CSA Jan Goranson & Rob Johansen, ME Skip Paul, RI TBA CSA ADMINISTRATION STARTING A CSA/PANEL OF GROWERS John Clark, CT Bambi Jones, ME Woody Wodraska, NY ASSESSING AND SECURING AFFORDABLE FARMLAND Chuck Matthei, CT Kathy Ruhf, MA COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS Will Newman, OR Susan Witt & Bob Swann, MA BUSINESS AND MEMBERSHIP LEGAL STRUCTURES FOR CSA Bill Gold, NJ Herb Lorentzen, MA Will Newman, OR BUDGETS AND ACCOUNTING FOR FARMERS Jill Agnew, ME Dan Kaplan, MA APPRENTICE TRAINING Paul Bernackey, ME Shane LaBrake, MD Katie Smith, NY Al Thorpe, MA LABOR LAWS AND APPRENTICES Doug Bowne, NY Doug Jones, NY CSA DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS Bob Bowser, IL Deb Denome, NY Tony Ricci, PA LEGAL ISSUES OF FOOD HANDLING Leslie Zuck, PA TBA CSA MEMBERSHIP STARTING A CSA/PANEL OF MEMBERS Sarah Lincoln-Harrison, MA Peter Mann, NY Ann Reid, MA MEMBER RECRUITMENT Cynthia Barstow, MA Bob Bowser, IL Nancy Schauffler, NY CORE GROUP DEVELOPMENT John Clark, CT Donna Garde, NY Pat Mannix, NY BUDGETS AND ACCOUNTING FOR CORE GROUPS Richard Lincoln-Harrison, MA Sarah Milstein, NY TBA COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP Stuart McCarty, NY John Peterson, IL Sue & Rich Sisti, NJ MEMBER EVENTS AND INVOLVEMENT Elizabeth Henderson, NY David Inglis, MA Elizabeth Smith, MA WORKING SHARES Melissa Carlson, NY Steve Gilman, NY TBA DIVERSIFYING YOUR MEMBERSHIP Alison Clarke, NY Kate Larson, VT Liz Wheeler, CT LONG-TERM MEMBER SATISFACTION Frank Scheib, NY Marianne Simmons, NY TBA OTHER CSA TOPICS COMMUNITY SUPPORTED ANYTHING Donna Karsch, NY Jean Giblette, NY TBA THE ECONOMICS OF CSA Dan Lass, MA Cathy Roth, MA Tom Earle, NH GROWER QUALITY OF LIFE Richard Wiswall, VT Seth Jacobs, NY TBA WOMEN AND CSA FARMING Jill Agnew, ME Sharon Carlson, DE Scout Proft, VT CONNECTING URBAN COMMUNITIES & CSA FARMS Sarah Milstein, NY Chris Yoder, MA TBA STUDENT-RUN CSA Bennington College, VT Hampshire College, MA Rutgers University, NJ Wilson College, pA FOOD BANK CSA Mike Gable, PA TBA CSA IN THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE Elizabeth Henderson, NY FARMS OF TOMORROW, REVISITED Trauger Groh, NH Steve McFadden, MD The conference will feature: DISPLAY AREA to exchange CSA farm literature. Bring copies of your brochure, newsletters, crop calendars, member handbooks and recipe books to share. PHOTO TABLE to display photos of your CSA and farm. Please bring along your album. RESOURCE AREA for organizations or individuals to display CSA materials. Contact Kathy Ruhf at (413) 323-4531 by Oct. 17. NOTICE BOARD for posting jobs, equipment for sale, etc. FAVORITE HAND TOOL SESSION. Bring a picture, description or example to share. ACTIVITIES: CSA REFLECTIONS BY TRAUGER GROH CSA PHOTO EXHIBIT BY CLEMENS KALISCHER POEMS and STORIES BY CSA FARMERS CSA FARM TOUR LOCAL, FARM-FRESH SEASONAL MEALS MUSIC and DANCING Conference Co-Sponsors: CSA of North America Just Food UMass Extension Wilson College Accokeek Foundation BioDynamic Farming and Gardening Association Cornell Cooperative Extension Hartford Food System Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association NE Sustainable Ag Working Group New England Small Farm Institute New England Cooperative Extension Consortium PA Association for Sustainable Ag UVM-Center for Sustainable Ag Women's Agricultural Network SCHEDULE Friday November 7 8:00 - 9:00 Continental Breakfast 9:00 - 10:15 Registration 10:15 - 11:00 Introductory Remarks 11:15 - 12:45 First Session 1:00 - 2:00 Lunch 2:15 - 3:45 Second Session 4:00 - 4:30 Reflections by Trauger Groh 4:45 - 6:15 Third Session 6:30 - 7:30 Dinner 8:00 - 10:30 Socialize, Music & dancing Tavern open Saturday November 8 8:00 - 8:45 Breakfast 9:00 - 9:15 Announcements 9:30 - 11:00 Fourth Session 11:15 - 12:45 Fifth Session 12:45 - 1:30 Lunch 1:45 - 3:15 Sixth Session 3:30 - 4:00 Closure and Move Forward REGISTRATION Registration for both days is $35-50, sliding scale. One-day registration for either day is $20-30. In order to facilitate planning, especially for meal preparation, PLEASE register by October 17, 1997. If you cannot do so but intend to come, call (413) 528-4374. SCHOLARSHIPS Money is available to help defray costs of registration and lodging. If you need assistance beyond what is offered in the sliding scale fees, see the registration form for instructions. FOOD To celebrate the bounty of Northeast agriculture, local, seasonal foods will be prepared at meals as available. Attending farmers will be given first chance at selling food to the conference. Call (413) 528-4374 by Oct. 5th. LODGING On-site lodging is available for $35 per night per person triple occupancy, $45 per person double and $90 single. Rooms include kitchenettes. Other lodging includes on-site condos for groups and off-site camping. Call for more information. CHILD CARE Supervised child care will be provided during workshop hours. Parents will be required to assist for two hours during the conference. A small fee may be required at the time of the conference. Registration forms are required by October 17th if you wish child care. VOLUNTEERS Please let us know if you can donate a few hours of your time during the conference to help with audio-visual equipment, child care, etc. SITE The conference is situated at the beautiful Jiminy Peak Mountain Resort in the Berkshire region of western Massachusetts. The site provides ample conference facilities, tavern, heated pool and opportunities for outdoor activities including hiking and biking. DIRECTIONS >From the NORTH I-87, I-91, I-93 or I-95 south to I-90 and follow below directions from either the east or the west. >From the SOUTH Taconic Parkway North to Rt. 295 East. Rt. 22 North to Rt. 43 East. Four mi. on Rt. 43 to Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. >From the EAST (Boston) I-90 (Mass Pike) West to Exit B-3 (Berkshire Spur section). Route 22 North to Rt. 43 East. Four mi. on Rt. 43 to Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. >From the WEST (Albany) I-90 East to Exit 7. Left on Washington Ave. to Rt. 43 East. Continue about 25 mi. to the Jiminy Peak sign at Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. REGISTRATION FORM NAME1_______________________________ NAME2_______________________________ FARM/ORG.____________________________ ST. ADDRESS___________________________ CITY_________________ST____ZIP________ PHONE______________FAX/eMAIL__________ Description Cost Number Total REGISTRATION Both days $35-50 Friday only $20-30 Saturday only $20-30 ON-SITE LODGING Single (Thursday night) $90 Double (Thursday night) $45 Triple (Thursday night) $35 Single (Friday night) $90 Double (Friday night) $45 Triple (Friday night) $35 MEALS Breakfast (Friday) $5 Lunch (Friday) $8 Dinner (Friday) $15 Breakfast (Saturday) $5 Lunch (Saturday) $8 Childrens meals are $3, $5 and $10 for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Do you require childcare. ______ List persons you have made arrangements with to share a room with on-site.__________________________________ Check if you can volunteer for a 2-hour session at the conference.___ Scholarship. Amount requested to defray costs of registration and lodging. _______ Make checks payable to: Laurie Cadorette, UMass Extension, 44 Bank Row, Pittsfield, MA 01201 If you have questions call Elizabeth or Jim 413-528-3474 or send us email at csana@bcn.net Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 9 13:50:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12540 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12081 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07911; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:44:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07396 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:37:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.224.73.81] (gb1ip21.bcn.net [208.224.73.81]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01858 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:39:50 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Community Supported Agriculture - Broadacre farming - Western Australia. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 163 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:39:00 +0100 >To:"Jonathan Joyce" >From:csana@bcn.net (csana) >Subject:Re: Community Supported Agriculture - Broadacre farming - Western >Australia. > > > >>Hi, >>I am interested in the principle of Community Supported Agriculture and its >>application to broadacre farming practices in grain growing districts of >>Western Australia. Are there similar situations in U.S. where wheat growing >>districts are able to apply CSA practices on farming properties ranging >>from 3,000 to 15,000 plus acre properties? My special interest lies in the >>social application of community farming as a way of maintaining rural >>communities and allowing change in farming practices to more sustainable >>levels to occur. >> >>I would value any information that you are able to forward. >> >>Regards >> >>Jonathan Joyce. > Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 9 13:46:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12463 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10834 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07555; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07230 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:35:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.224.73.81] (gb1ip21.bcn.net [208.224.73.81]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01443 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:36:26 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: position open Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 164 Our Farm Langley, Washington The current steward of the land known as Our Farm, Barkley McLaughlin, is seeking an experienced individual/couple to create a CSA operation on Whidbey Island in beautiful Puget Sound. Details of this opportunity are provided below. The Land: Nine acres of organically-certified farmland near Langley, Washington on the south end of Whidbey Island about 40 miles northwest of Seattle. The property is near the intersection of Bayview Road (one of two main access routes to Langley) and Hwy 525 (the only north-south corridor that runs the length of Whidbey Island). A storage building and a well are in place. A crop of echinacea was harvested in 1996. During 1997, the property is being managed and maintained in preparation for planting in 1998. The Intention: Our goal is to develop the land into a productive, economically viable agricultural project that serves the needs of the Island community. We anticipate a diversity of programs and activities integrated within the overall project. Our further intention is to behave as responsible stewards of the land through a commitment to sustainable land use principles and practices. This will include using production methods and materials that satisfy or exceed standards required to maintain organic certification. In all of our work we will strive to achieve these additional objectives: * to provide a model of sustainable agriculture that will motivate and inspire conventional farmers on Whidbey Island to adopt this approach, and that will attract new people to farming as a livelihood; * to incorporate farm-based educational opportunities for young people and adults -- including on-site instructional programs for student groups from the Whidbey Island community and from nearby urban areas (Everett, Lynnwood, Seattle, Bellevue, Bellingham, Edmonds, etc.); and * to address the needs of the local community as our primary tarket market. The Programs: A number of possibilities are being explored. Our goal is to identify a sustainable mix that will make efficient use of the land while being economically viable within 2-3 years. The immediate objective is to have a CSA operation, possibly including a limited number of farm animals (sheep, goats, and/or chickens), in place for the 1998 growing season. As a complement to the CSA program, we are open to the idea of offering small plots (allotments or pea patches) for individuals and families who wish to learn about organic gardening and/or who simply want to produce food for themselves. In cooperation with experienced local educators, we plan to offer on-site educational programs for young people and adults. We do not anticipate this program will be offered during the 1998 season. The Timeframe. During 1997, a soil-building cover crop of rye and vetch is in place. Weed control is being carried out. Civil engineering for a pond has been completed, and an application for a permit has been submitted to the County. Recruitment of a CSA operator is underway, and selection will be made as soon as a qualified individual/couple is identified. Terms and Conditions. Financial terms and responsibilities of the parties are negotiable. The CSA operator(s) will contract to lease the land and equipment for a specified period and amount. The property owner is prepared to consider deferred payments and/or other arrangements that reduce some of the risk for the operator(s). Operator(s) must satisfy the property owner that sufficient working capital is in hand for living expenses, start-up costs, and to sustain operations until subscription revenue is collected. A partially-furnished, two-bedroom house is available for rent on land adjacent to the farmland. One of the bedrooms will be retained as an office and may be used occasionally as a sleeping room (Saturday nights only). Project Coordinator. Initial research and concept development is being provided by Walt Blackford. He has been a management consultant for more than 13 years and served for three years as an advisor and board member for the Colorado Organic Producers Association. For more information about this project, please contact Walt by phone at 360/221-6296 or by email at ******************************************************************** I am part of a mystery I don't understand, and I am grateful. Walt Blackford 129 Fourth St., #E2 Langley, WA 98260 360/221-6296 Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 10 16:04:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03279 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (up.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03267 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15869; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:58:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15575 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.224.73.81] (gb1ip21.bcn.net [208.224.73.81]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA17547 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:56:01 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA Research Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 165 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:55:50 +0100 >To:Kristin Burgess >From:csana@bcn.net (csana) >Subject:Re: CSA Research > >>Hi, >>My name is Kristin and I'm working on a research project at San Francisco >>State University on the factors affecting the access of low income families >>to CSA's. I am trying to locate information and any kind of research that >>has been conducted on CSA's. Please contact me if you have any information >>which may be beneficial or if you can steer me in the right direction of >>where to go. >> >>Thank you, >>Kristin Burgess > > >>Kristin Burgess >>University and Jepson Herbaria >>University of California >>1001 Valley Life Sciences Bldg. #2465 >>Berkeley, CA 94720 >>Phone: (510) 642-2465 >>Fax: (510) 643-5390 > > Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 13 11:12:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07886 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12210 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21668; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:06:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21553 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sf-pm3-29-61.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.61] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xKm4g-0001wX-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:06:27 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:10:42 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Douglas E. Butdorf" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Is there a CSA doing business Near Portland? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: dbutdorf@ncgate.newcollege.edu (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 166 Hello, I am searching for a CSA for my friends who have a small child, and would like to link up with a CSA so they can, one: get great, fresh, seasonal fruit, and two: visit the farm occasionally with thier child to help him understand where food comes from. If anyone knows of a Good CSA Near Portland, please forward me the contact information. I have enjoyed being on this list, eventhough I am not a member of a CSA. I have learned a lot, and I feel better about being alive, knowing there are so many people out there in the planet doing such good work. Douglas the-wanna-be-farmer *---------------------------------* Douglas Butdorf dbutdorf@slip.net http://www.slip.net/~dbutdorf/ *---------------------------------* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 13 18:26:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18580 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28148 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25378; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25296 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09259 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710132219.SAA09259@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:14:39 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Is there a CSA doing business Near Portland? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 Which Portland? Maine or Oregon? Or one of the other ones? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 13 18:36:41 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18672 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00460 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26211; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:30:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26098 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:28:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10171 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710132229.SAA10171@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:27:24 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Established CSA Farm for Sale! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 Turnkey 20-acre farm five miles from New York State's #3 tourist destination. 12-room 3-bedroom house, garage, two-story horse barn, orchards, perennial herb gardens, and pasture on five acres, $80,000. Sorry, no land contract on this parcel. Includes many pieces of farming equipment, a commercial-size freezer, woodstove (also has central heat), all major appliances, even an Aracauna chicken flock and a good start toward your dairy goat herd if you want them and can convince me you'd take excellent care of them! Adjoining 15 acres includes 5 acres of wild strawberries, 3 acres of wild rasp- and blackberries, a bog full of cattails and Joe-Pye Weed, and a 2-acre market garden limed and seeded to winter rye for next year's harvest -- $10,000, will consider a five-year land contract with 50% down. Country auction house and 3D archery range next door, about 200 people visit there every Saturday night and many buy vegetables. New farmer's market in town. Reason for sale: I've accepted a CSA facilitator position in Puget Sound and will be relocating before Christmas. My marriage dissolved at this farm, it holds as many bad memories as good ones and I'm ready for new beginnings. It's too much for one person, but a team could do very well here. I'll be glad to include a list of past CSA members and other market contacts. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 13 21:37:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22150 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19321 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07626; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:27:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.96]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07580 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:27:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA09672; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971013212559_322512975@emout05.mail.aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: BRateaver@aol.com To: dbutdorf@slip.net, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Is there a CSA doing business Near Portland? X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 The BioDynamic people keep a list by place, and it is free. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Oct 14 11:19:43 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08498 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16713 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17935; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:09:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu (root@sulu.biostat.washington.edu [128.95.125.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17817 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buffy by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.7.1/UW-NDC Revision: 2.23 id IAA18945; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Virginia Petrie Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Virginia Petrie To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: NEW MEMBER INTRODUCTION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: virginia@buffy X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 Hello, My name is Virginia Petrie. I live with my husband 5 1/2 miles NE of Duvall, Washington on 5.6 acres. I have been gardening 5 years using organic methods. We have approx. 1 1/2 acres in gardens, both perennial and vegetable. We plan to enlarge the vegetable garden and include an area dedicated to herbs. We have a small apple orchard too. The rest of the property currently provides pasture for our two horses. We belong to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Backyard Wildlife Sanctuary Program and have concentrated on adding and maintaining plants that provide food and shelter for wildlife. We also participate in the WDFW Winter Backyard Bird Survey and provide food and water for birds year-round. We are very interested in participating in the CSA program but are just beginning to gather information and guidance for our endeavor. We hope to have our gardens certified organic and provide produce to our community and local restaurant(s). I believe CSA-L will provide some of the information we are looking for. Thank you. ******************************************************************************* Virginia Petrie P.O. Box 384 Duvall, WA 98019 (206) 685-9176 virginia@biostat.washington.edu ******************************************************************************* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Oct 14 17:13:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16285 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11280 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17321; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAB17217 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:53:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.224.73.87] (gb1ip27.bcn.net [208.224.73.87]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21678 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:55:01 +0100 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana@bcn.net (csana) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 Dear Douglas, These are the CSA farms in Oregon. Good luck. Elizabeth Keen US OR Natural Harvest Farm Sue Clark and Will Newman P.O. Box 1106 Canby 97013 503-266-9682 X 20 Mi S Portland, OR May-Oct 20 Our shares include berries, herbs, and fruit. Sharholders come to work at the farm weekly during the season. Excess harvest is donated to a local food bank each week. US OR Nettle Edge Organics Rachel DeBuse and Keith Walton 1640 Beacon Drive Eugene 97402 541-689-3672 At Nettle Edge we produce for local eaters including ourselves (and our goat pals). The farm's borders are defined by the urban growth boundary; and we feel intensely the resulting pressures. US OR Muslin Creek Farm Leslie and Tal Carmi 79296 Repsleger Cottage Grove 97424-0875 YES 503-942-0805 US OR Morning Star Farm Susan Dishaw and David Rosen 5755 N.W. Thatcher Rd. Forest Grove 97116 503-357-1093 US OR Mountain Spring Farms Judy and Buck Lovett 12584 Hwy 99S Myrtle Creek 97457 503-863-6799 US OR Pumpkin Ridge Gardens Polly Gottesman and James Just 31067 Pumpkin Ridge Dr. Cornelius 97113 503-647-5023 US OR Whistling Duck Trail 503-878-4188 US OR Wintergreen Farm J. & W. Via, Mary Jo Wade, J. Gray 89762 Poodle Creek Road Noti 97462 503-935-3615 01-Jan-92 35 290 1 Jun - Oct 76 US OR Urban Bounty Farm Beth Rasgorshek, Marc Boucher-Colbert 3206 NE 14th Portland 97212-2211 503-249-0357 01-Jan-93 60 400 1.5 X 6 Mi SE Portland Urban Bounty seeks to bridge rural and urban areas; which is why we are located in the city. Our land is accessible to all members which helps reconnect them to the land, growers, and sustainable agriculture. US OR Raindance Garden Charlotte Kangas 6212 S. Sconce Road Hubbard 97032 YES 503-651-3501 100 200 2 US OR Simpleton Farm Yuval Sternbert 17136 N.W. Lucy Reeder Rd. Sauvie Island 97231 503-621-3568 01-Jan-90 50 600 2 NO* US OR Deep Roots Farm Mary and Wes McNamara 32345 N.W. Padgett Rd. Hillsboro 97124-8334 US OR Fields Farms 61915 Pettygrew Road Bend 97702 503-382-8059 US OR Full Circle Community Farm M. Goldman, K. Jones, J. Anonia, K. Perle 79296 Repsleger Road Cottage Grove 97424 541-942-8525 May - Nov Full Circle Farm is organic and bio-dynamic. We are currently located at the Muslin Creek Farm ; but, we hope to move to a site on the urban growth boundary of Eugene. We plan to put this land into trust; thereby preserving it for perpetuity. US OR 4 Eagles Garden P.O. Box 1332 Ashland 97520 503-488-4440 US OR Birds & Bees Option John Martinson Jr. and Bev Koch 20495 S. Geiger Road Oregon City 97045 503-655-7447 US OR CSA Karyn Kangas Box 25 Aurora 97002 US OR Home Grown Tomatas Mary Bushman and John Black 58232 N.W. Strassel Rd. Forest Grove 97116 503-357-1093 US OR Horton Road Organics Debra Martin & Bill Booth 93851 Horton Road Blachly 97412 541-925-3019 5 Jun - Oct US OR Inside Outside Farm Cynthia and Dan Smith 85261 Marriott Lane Pleasant Hill 97455 541-726-6527 May-Oct Inside/Outside Farm is Demeter Certified Bio-dynamic. The farm's main crop is 12 varieties of plums. A garden of ever-expanding raised beds provides vegetables for the CSA. US OR Gathering Together Farm Sally Brewer and John Eveland 25159 Grange Hall Rd. Philomath 97370 503-929-4289 US OR Grinning Goat Organics Shannon Schilling 2628 SE 47th Ave. Portland 97206 503-238-2556 1996 Jun - Oct Grinning Goat's prime location, just outside the western boundary of Portland, makes for minimum transport time from the fields to your home. Our vegetables, herbs, and flowers are all Oregon State Certified Organic. GGO is purposely small so that great care can be taken with each plant. US OR Hannavan Creek Farm Eliza Erskine 89689 Sheftler Road Elmira 97437 503-935-2322 01-Jan-91 1.5 NO >Hello, > >I am searching for a CSA for my friends who have a small child, and would >like to link up with a CSA so they can, one: get great, fresh, seasonal >fruit, and two: visit the farm occasionally with thier child to help him >understand where food comes from. > >If anyone knows of a Good CSA Near Portland, please forward me the contact >information. > >I have enjoyed being on this list, eventhough I am not a member of a CSA. >I have learned a lot, and I feel better about being alive, knowing there >are so many people out there in the planet doing such good work. > >Douglas >the-wanna-be-farmer > > > *---------------------------------* > Douglas Butdorf > dbutdorf@slip.net > http://www.slip.net/~dbutdorf/ > *---------------------------------* Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Oct 15 18:00:58 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16112 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18237 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16983; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:45:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16582; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:41:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA22237; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id OAA10260; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710152142.OAA10260@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:42:07 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: KLCUR@jazz.ucc.uno.edu, farmusa@erols.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org, aclanton@corp.gnp.com, jagger17@arn.net, foodcoop-l@prairienet.org, kicf-l@icx.net Subject: Fwd: Entry to Reachbook at www.ic.org Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-951352200-724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 --WebTV-Mail-951352200-724 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-951352200-724 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710151818.OAA05207@m5.psc.lsa.umich.edu> To: ooasis@webtv.net From: ficweb@ic.org Subject: Entry to Reachbook at www.ic.org Thank you for adding to the Reachbook at the Intentional Communities Web site (www.ic.org) This is what you entered: ------------------------------------------------------ Seeking Community Citraketu dasa on Wed 15Oct97, 02:18 PM (EDT) Dear Friends, I must start my tour by travelling from New Orleans to Austin, TX. 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See our donation page at http://www.ic.org/in/donate.html --WebTV-Mail-951352200-724-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 07:27:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA22915 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA12589 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA28109; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:20:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28079 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA08655 for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971016072053_879834568@emout03.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: HMSTDFRMS@aol.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Farmstand & CSA??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 I have just discovered this site, and hope your members can give us some good advice. We are currently operating an organic vegetable farm in upstate NY, marketing all produce through our farmstand. Our location is good for local and tourist traffic, so we don't want to discontinue this marketing method. We are considering adding a CSA to the farm next year, to broaden our customer base. Has anyone had experience operating both CSA and farmstand? Is it necessary to keep the gardens completely separate? What might be the potential problems? Any comments would be most appreciated! Thanks, Linda at Homestead Farms From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 08:13:29 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23347 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22168 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29716; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29682 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:05:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA19191; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:06:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma1-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.38) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019179; Thu Oct 16 07:05:59 1997 Message-Id: <01bcda2b$728810e0$7291d9ce@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:02:59 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: , Subject: Re: Farmstand & CSA??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 Linda wrote: >I have just discovered this site, and hope your members can give us some good >advice. We are currently operating an organic vegetable farm in upstate NY, >marketing all produce through our farmstand. Our location is good for local >and tourist traffic, so we don't want to discontinue this marketing method. >We are considering adding a CSA to the farm next year, to broaden our >customer base. Has anyone had experience operating both CSA and farmstand? I am interested in the anwers to this post as well, Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 08:17:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23379 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22713 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA00010; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NameSrv.mountain.net (root@Namesrv.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29933 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:09:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [198.77.38.110] (slip28-11.Mountain.Net [198.77.38.110]) by NameSrv.mountain.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28453 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:16:16 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: lfi@access.mountain.net (Lightstone Foundation Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 175 I am forwarding a request from Marlin Burkholder of Glen Eco Farm in Virginia. He is looking for a ride to the CSA conference in Maine November 7 and is alsosekking information on starting up a CSA. He has no email but his phone number is 540-833-8802. Jeff Gold From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 10:37:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24823 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27694 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09678; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09649 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:27:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcfj0.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.62.96]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03736; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971016103431.2b07a8f6@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: HMSTDFRMS@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Farmstand & CSA??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 At 07:20 AM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: > Has anyone had experience operating both CSA and farmstand? Yes -- two that I know of, and both will be presenting on their experiences (in a panel creatively entitled, "Farmstand CSA") at the Northeast CSA Conference, November 7 & 8, in Hancock, Massachusetts. This conference will be a great place to learn about many aspects of CSA -- start-up and advanced practitioners will all learn (and contribute!) a lot. I've attached conference info below. Sarah ______________________________________________ Northeast Community Supported Agriculture Conference: Building a Future for Farming in the Northeast CSA of North America, in partnership with Just Food, Wilson College Center for Sustainable Living, and University of Massachusetts Extension, is convening a Northeast CSA Conference on November 7 & 8, 1997 to explore the challenges of, and possibilities for, creating and operating successful CSA farms in the region. To be held at Jiminy Peak in Hancock, Massachusetts (in the northwestern part of the state), the conference is expected to draw at least 300 participants -- including farmers, members, sustainable agriculture advocates and extension agents -- from the 13 states in the region. With over 250 CSA farms and more than a decade of leadership in CSA, the Northeast has the potential for tremendous peer-to-peer education. Over 35 practical workshops -- in the categories of CSA Crop Production, CSA Marketing, CSA Administration, CSA Membership, and Other CSA Topics -- are structured to engage the audience members in conversation and will offer the chance for practitioners to exchange ideas and learn from each others' experience. There will be workshops relevant to advanced practitioners as well as to beginners. Sample workshops: Long-Term Member Satisfaction; Budgets and Accounting for Core Groups; Budgets and Accounting for Farmers; Marketing CSA to Institutions; Farm Scale and CSA; Assessing and Securing Affordable Farmland; Labor Laws and Apprentices; Crop Selection and Production for Beginners; Business and Membership Legal Structure for CSA; and many, many more! Plus, Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden will present their new book, Farms of Tomorrow Revisited. In addition to the workshops, there will be readings by John Peterson and Scott Chaskey. There will also be a CSA photo exhibit by well-known photographer Clemens Kalisher, a Friday night contra-dance and at least one meal that is cooked using all regional, seasonal ingredients that will be procured from farmers attending the conference. Pre-registration is both requested and recommended; sliding scale fees are available. For more information, contact Elizabeth Keen at CSA of North America: 413/528.4374. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 18:53:13 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01447 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02517 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21503; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:38:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NameSrv.mountain.net (root@Namesrv.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21404 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [198.77.38.113] (slip28-14.Mountain.Net [198.77.38.113]) by NameSrv.mountain.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04234 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:44:16 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: lfi@access.mountain.net (Lightstone Foundation Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: REQUEST FOR INFO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 177 >I am forwarding a request from Marlin Burkholder of Glen Eco Farm in >Virginia. He is looking for a ride to the CSA conference in Maine November >7 and is alsosekking information on starting up a CSA. He has no email but >his phone number is 540-833-8802. The conference is in Massachusetts, of course. Sorry for the mixup. Jeff Gold From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 22:00:27 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03037 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16633 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03520; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03386 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:46:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25884 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710170146.VAA25884@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:42:57 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Farmstand & CSA??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 Farmstand, restaurant sales, subscription/CSA, and wholesale are all part of my diversified package. I personally believe there's no such thing as too much diversification, but it has to be planned and managed like any other business activity. Pre-paid CSA subscription members get first dibs on everything. That's one of the benefits of putting their money where their mouth is. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 16 22:01:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03043 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16784 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03455; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03377 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:46:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25881 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710170146.VAA25881@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:41:01 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Riders or Ride to Conference Wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 Riders wanted, or ride wanted, to the CSA conference in Mass., from Corning, NY, right on Route 17. Could meet folks also in Ithaca or Binghamton. I promise interesting to-and-from discussions -- been running a CSA for 7 years. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 17 11:30:58 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09064 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01051 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11794; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:13:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11673 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:12:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08889 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24413 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: subscription - csa definitions In-Reply-To: <199710170146.VAA25884@cyber1.servtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Dori Green wrote: > Farmstand, restaurant sales, subscription/CSA, and wholesale are all part > of my diversified package. Could someone provide me with a definition of subscription agriculture as compared to csa? -------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence F. London, Jr. - InterGarden - Venaura Farm mailto:london@sunSITE.unc.edu - mailto:llondon@bellsouth.net http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden/permaculture.html -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 17 12:52:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09990 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27577 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16376; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16327 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:15:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcf6g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.208]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03912 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971017122256.45e73daa@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: subscription - csa definitions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 >Could someone provide me with a definition of subscription agriculture >as compared to csa? There doesn't seem to be full consensus on these terms, but I've used (and heard) them to mean the following: Subscription generally refers to an arranngemnet whereby the members are not committed for a full season, but rather for a period of weeks or a month at a time, and can cancel at any time. Usually there is less member involvement in the farm, and there may be no core group. Subscription farming seems to be more common on the West Coast. CSA generally refers to an arrangement in which the members are committed on a season-long basis. Often, CSAs have higher levels of member involvement w/the farm, and there's more likely to be a core group. This set-up is more prevalent in the East. These are not hard-and-fast definitions, but some workable ones that account for useful distinctions between famrs. Anyone (everyone) else have thoughts on the subject? Sarah From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 17 12:52:53 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10001 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27797 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18962; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:42:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hiramb.hiram.edu (hiramb.hiram.edu [143.206.40.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17761 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 143.206.106.8 ([143.206.106.8]) by hirama.hiram.edu with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <34475BB1.F92@hiram.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:36:24 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jan Goodland Metz To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: subscription - csa definitions References: <1.5.4.16.19971017122256.45e73daa@pop.pipeline.com> <34475A26.34C9@hiram.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 Near where I live Ohio there is a subscription farm which charges a membership fee and then you are called each week to find out what you would like to purchase and you pay the per pound price or item price for your selections. There is a delivery fee tacked on if you require that service and no volunteers or core-group. Jan Goodland Metz Meadowlark Farm NE Ohio From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 17 14:44:11 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11848 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08853 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26959; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:29:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from msue.msu.edu (msue.msue.msu.edu [35.8.2.18]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26913 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:29:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aghall186.canr.msu.edu by msue.msu.edu (8.8.4/MSU-2.10) id OAA64694; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:30:40 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017142835.006d52bc@msue.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:28:35 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Susan Smalley To: Sarah Milstein , csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: subscription - csa definitions In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971017122256.45e73daa@pop.pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: smalley@msue.msu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 Sarah's response about distinctions between CSA's and subscription agriculture captured what I regard as the main points. One aspect of the difference in commitment/involvement as I see it would be that in subscription agriculture, the farm manager(s)/operator(s) might tend to function like many small businesses -- analyzing a potential market, trying to provide a mix of products & services that they want, etc., with the management burden mostly on the grower(s). In a CSA, it seems that members of the core group are more involved in fundamental mangement decisions and responsibilities. I would guess that the way each individual operation defines itself would create quite a continuum with regard to that dimension. I would also guess that no two of us use the terms in precisely the same way. That just makes it all so much more interesting! Susan Smalley At 12:16 PM 10/17/97 -0400, Sarah Milstein wrote: >>Could someone provide me with a definition of subscription agriculture >>as compared to csa? > >There doesn't seem to be full consensus on these terms, but I've used (and >heard) them to mean the following: > >Subscription generally refers to an arranngemnet whereby the members are not >committed for a full season, but rather for a period of weeks or a month at >a time, and can cancel at any time. Usually there is less member >involvement in the farm, and there may be no core group. Subscription >farming seems to be more common on the West Coast. > >CSA generally refers to an arrangement in which the members are committed on >a season-long basis. Often, CSAs have higher levels of member involvement >w/the farm, and there's more likely to be a core group. This set-up is more >prevalent in the East. > >These are not hard-and-fast definitions, but some workable ones that account >for useful distinctions between famrs. > >Anyone (everyone) else have thoughts on the subject? > >Sarah > > > leftSusan B. Smalley Professional Development Coordinator smalley@msue.msu.edu Michigan State University Extension 517-432-0049 voice 11 Agriculture Hall 517-432-1048 fax East Lansing, MI 48824-1039 www://http.msue.msu.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Oct 19 21:13:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14549 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23735 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07700; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:05:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from odin.lcc.net (odin.lcc.net [207.70.128.240]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29407 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lizard (hunt-pri4-a3.lcc.net [207.70.180.147]) by odin.lcc.net (8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id WAA29104; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:38:52 GMT Message-Id: <344A986D.F771FDC9@lcc.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:31:59 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "M.L,Huff" To: HMSTDFRMS@aol.com Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Farmstand & CSA??? References: <971016072053_879834568@emout03.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C122E1AE1589905805B2B05A" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 --------------C122E1AE1589905805B2B05A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda at Homestead Farms wrote: > We are currently operating an organic vegetable farm in upstate NY, > marketing all produce through our farmstand. Our location is good for > local > and tourist traffic, so we don't want to discontinue this marketing > method. > We are considering adding a CSA to the farm next year, to broaden our > customer base. Has anyone had experience operating both CSA and > farmstand? Linda, I just read a book from a couple in Washington. The title is: Rebirth of the Small Family Farm - A Handbook for Starting a Successful Organic Farm Based on the CSA Concept. It is available from IMF Associates, Box 2542, Vashon Island, Wa. 98070. Or you could just write them. I got their address from the CSA-North America on the Web. It is: Island Meadow Farm, Bonnie and Bob Gregson, 10310 SW Cemetery Road, Vashon Island, WA, 98070 Their phone number is 206-463-9065. As you can tell, they published the book themselves. Any way, they suggest that someone starting out from scratch consider beginning with the local farmers market and/or a farm stand, and at least continue the farm stand concurrently with the CSA. They only sell excess through the farm stand. I hope this helps. Michael Huff Cana Farm (CSA to be) Huntsville, TX 77340-0607 409/294-9468 PS The WWW address for CSA-NA is: http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA/ --------------C122E1AE1589905805B2B05A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda at Homestead Farms wrote:
    We are currently operating an organic vegetable farm in upstate NY,
    marketing all produce through our farmstand. Our location is good for local
    and tourist traffic, so we don't want to discontinue this marketing method.
    We are considering adding a CSA to the farm next year, to broaden our
    customer base. Has anyone had experience operating both CSA and farmstand?
    Linda,
        I just read a book from a couple in Washington.  The title is: Rebirth of the Small Family Farm - A Handbook for Starting a Successful Organic Farm Based on the CSA Concept.  It is available from IMF Associates, Box 2542, Vashon Island, Wa. 98070.
       Or you could just write them.  I got their address from the CSA-North America on the Web.  It is:  Island Meadow Farm, Bonnie and Bob Gregson, 10310 SW Cemetery Road,
    Vashon Island, WA, 98070  Their phone number is 206-463-9065.  As you can tell, they published the book themselves.  Any way, they suggest that someone starting out from scratch consider beginning with the local farmers market and/or a farm stand, and at least continue the farm stand concurrently with the CSA.  They only sell excess through the farm stand.  I hope this helps.

    Michael Huff
    Cana Farm (CSA to be)
    Huntsville, TX 77340-0607
    409/294-9468

    PS

    The WWW address for CSA-NA is:  http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA/
       --------------C122E1AE1589905805B2B05A-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Oct 19 21:19:35 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14637 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26304 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07789; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:06:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03132 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:08:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA14806; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971019200810_1033370369@emout11.mail.aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: HMSTDFRMS@aol.com To: mlhuff@lcc.net Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Farmstand & CSA??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 Michael & all others- Thanks for all the great suggestions. We'll see some of you at the conference next month, and have some good books to check out. Thanks again for taking the time to help a CSA to-be. Linda From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 20 12:45:26 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22803 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16198 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20846; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19712 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA19965; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971020121401_-2113917304@emout17.mail.aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, BD-l@biodynamics.com Cc: lhalprin@ucdavis.edu Subject: Fwd: New Internet Book X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 Hi folks, As a member of all affected lists, I apologize for the cross-posting. I contributed to this book. It has good, practical examples of how to use Internet resources to further your farming operation or research a problem. There are lists of good sites, and search examples. If you aren't Internet connected or felt overwhelmed by all the information available, this book can help you make good use of a rich resource. Marcie Rosenzweig Full Circle Organic Farm --------------------- Forwarded message: From: lhalprin@ucdavis.edu (Lyra Halprin) Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: 97-10-15 15:23:14 EDT Internet Guide for Farmers, Extension Agents [Book excerpts on UC SAREP's Web site: http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu ] Farmers have joined business people and researchers worldwide in using the Internet, but are they finding the information they need for their farms? The University of California Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education Program (SAREP) has a new book to help them. "How to Find Agricultural Information on the Internet" shows farmers, ranchers, Extension agents, consultants and gardeners the basics of choosing an Internet provider, figuring costs, using electronic mail, getting answers from e-mail discussion groups, searching the World Wide Web for practical information, finding graphics on the Web, and copying information from the 'Net for their own use. "Farmers are going beyond using computers just for bookkeeping," says Jill Shore Auburn, SAREP associate director and editor of the book by Mark Campidonica. "But many of them are unsure of the methods used to get good information off the Internet, and need basic 'how to do it' details. Our book does just that." Auburn says the new book is aimed at both beginning and intermediate Internet users, and walks readers through real-life examples of farmers looking for and copying information, posting questions to international user groups, and shows a university scientist answering client questions. Although it is aimed at the agricultural community, the book offers plenty of good beginning Internet information and is useful for anyone who wants to "log on." A recent USDA survey shows that more than 2 million computers are in use on farms of all sizes in the U.S., with 13 percent having access to the Internet. In California, 23 percent of the state's farmers have access to the Internet, almost twice the national average (highest: 31 percent, New Jersey; lowest: 4 percent, Louisiana and Mississippi). Purchase the book through University of California DANR Communication Services, 6701 San Pablo Ave., Oakland, CA 94608-1239 for $12 (add $3 handling + $0.99 Calif. tax). Checks payable to UC Regents. VISA, MasterCard or purchase orders: (800) 994-8849, (510) 642-2431; FAX: (510) 643-5470. [Excerpts on the SAREP Web Site: http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu ] _______________________________________________ Lyra Halprin, Public Information Officer University of California Sustainable Agriculture Research & Education Program (UC SAREP) Davis, CA 95616 Voice: (916) 752-8664 FAX: (916) 754-8550 lhalprin@ucdavis.edu Award Winning Web Site: http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu [Note: After Nov. 1, 1997, area code will change to 530] To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 20 13:08:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23180 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25297 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24803; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23727 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id JAA15129; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id JAA25807; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710201645.JAA25807@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:45:55 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Fwd: Entry to Reachbook at www.ic.org Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-7810406-2661 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 --WebTV-Mail-7810406-2661 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am looking for information regarding CSA and other gardening projects between New Orleans and Austin, TX - but even as far north as Shreveport Louisiana. I'll be passing through and looking for some volunteer work opportunity in exchange for at least fresh produce or even a place to camp for the night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Christopher http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" --WebTV-Mail-7810406-2661 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710151818.OAA05207@m5.psc.lsa.umich.edu> To: ooasis@webtv.net From: ficweb@ic.org Subject: Entry to Reachbook at www.ic.org Thank you for adding to the Reachbook at the Intentional Communities Web site (www.ic.org) This is what you entered: ------------------------------------------------------ Seeking Community Citraketu dasa on Wed 15Oct97, 02:18 PM (EDT) Dear Friends, I must start my tour by travelling from New Orleans to Austin, TX. I have some pressing business there, but wish I could head towards the area of Knoxville, Tenn. If anyone is located between New Orleans and Austin, TX - please let me know. If you are interested I could stop by to talk about agricultural self-sufficiency, vegetarianism, or even Bhakti-yoga. Of course, I am looking for a place to settle down. But, I do like to collect information for networking regarding natural living. So, I wouldn't mind seeing your project and at least tell others about it. Actually I wouldn't mind visiting any where in the world, it is just certain concerns of practicality. I'm going to try and fit everything into my 1989 festiva. My birthdate is 12/17/57 and I was raised in the New Orleans area. Check my website to see my interests in regards to agriculture. I am a nonprofit community service career worker. Sincerely yours, Citraketu dasa Email Address: ooasis@webtv.net Web Address: http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis Mail Address: PO Box 8693, METAIRIE, LOUISIANA 70011 Phone: 504-837-0723 ------------------------------------------------------ If you find the REACHbook service useful, please consider becoming a supporter of our site. See our donation page at http://www.ic.org/in/donate.html --WebTV-Mail-7810406-2661-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Oct 20 14:27:53 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24157 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10319 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01031; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:11:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from homer.fast.net (homer.fast.net [198.69.204.15]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00964 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wlande.rodaleinst.org ([205.147.214.40]) by homer.fast.net (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA24237; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:12:13 -0400 Received: by wlande.rodaleinst.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDD62.9A77B080@wlande.rodaleinst.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:15:22 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCDD62.9A77B080@wlande.rodaleinst.org> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:15:21 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Bill Landesman To: "'CASANET-L@cornell.edu'" , "'CSA-L'" , "'D-MGT'" , "'Dairy-L'" , "'DAIRY-MG'" Subject: Position Openings at Rodale Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT Rodale Institute Kutztown, Pennsylvania Rodale Institute is a non-profit 501(c)3 non-government organization whose mission is to work with people worldwide to achieve a regenerative food system that renews environmental and human health. More precisely, we promote regenerative agriculture. The Institute's International Program operates according to a model called the RARC, or Regenerative Agriculture Resource Center, which integrates applied research, education and training, communications, and enterprise development. Current RARC projects are being implemented in the United States, Senegal, Guatemala, and Russia. Rodale Institute seeks individuals to fill two positions at the Institute's headquarters in Kutztown, Pennsylvania. Position I: Socioeconomic/M&E Coordinator Qualifications: An advanced degree, preferably a doctorate or equivalent, in a social science discipline (includes anthropology, sociology, economic, political science, education, etc.); Experience in monitoring and evaluation. Responsibilities: The SEC will work within a management team to: Ensure that social and economic issues are adequately addressed in the Institute's Global Program, especially those issues related to gender and community development. Oversee the monitoring and evaluation (M&E) of Program results and impacts. Develop existing and new Program initiatives and seek opportunities to sustain these initiatives. Represent Rodale Institute in the public sphere as needed. The ideal candidate will possess: Fluency in a language/s other than English, and preferably Spanish, and French as well. Administrative experience in the public or private sector. Supervisory experience in the workplace. Knowledge of and working experience with issues related to agriculture, food systems, and natural resource management in the United States and overseas. Knowledge of and working experience with income generating entrepreneurial initiatives. Demonstrated ability to communicate with administrators, researchers, lay people, farmers, and other sectors within a diverse set of clients. Demonstrated capability in successfully attracting financial resources for programmatic purposes. Exceptional writing and public speaking skills. Ability to travel extensively within and outside the U.S. for at least two weeks duration, four times per year. Knowledge and familiarity with computers and electronic communications Legal resident status in the United States (this is a U.S.-based position). Position II: International Projects Manager Qualification: A college degree, preferably a masters or equivalent in agronomy or related fields; Responsibilities: The international Project Manager will work within the management team to: Maintain daily communications with the RARCs; Explore, initiate , and develop support opportunities for the RARCs; Oversee and monitor the schedule of reporting requirements; Compile and edit monthly and trimestrial reports submitted to RI by the RARCs; Assist the SEC with M&E of project impacts; Travel to the RARCs. The ideal candidate will possess: Fluency in a language/s other than English, and preferably Spanish, and French as well. Demonstrated capability in successfully attracting financial resources for programmatic purposes. Exceptional writing and public speaking skills. Knowledge and familiarity with computers and electronic communications Legal resident status in the United States (this is a U.S.-based position). Please send a cover letter and cv by October 31, 1997 to: William Landesman Rodale Institute 611 Siegfriedale Road Kutztown, PA 19530 wlande@rodaleinst.org These positions are available immediately. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 23 11:38:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11754 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12414 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23750; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:31:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.114.144.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23643 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA02020 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:19 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: Community Supported Agriculture Subject: NW farm conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:10:09 EDT From: jody l padgham To: michelle@animal.blarg.net Subject: jlpadgham: Hi --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- "Growing Together: exploring a new vision of agriculture and community" A conference for those interested in organic and sustainable farming, November 14-16, 1997 at Skagit Valley College in Mount Vernon, WA, cosponsored by WA Tilth Producers, WSU Co-op Extension and Skagit Valley College. Over 45 workshops, from farm business planning and growing specifics to Land Trusts and CSA member retention. Keynote address by Elizabeth Henderson of Rose Valley Farm in Rose, NY. Gourmet meals prepared from regionally produced organic ingredients, wine tasting reception and dancing to locally popular world beat band Rivertalk. Reasonably priced and fun, a conference for anyone who farms or wants to support farmers! For Registration information, please call 1-800-731-1143 ( reg deadline Nov 7) -Jody Padgham, Olympia, WA jlpadgham@juno.com --------- End forwarded message ---------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Oct 24 08:18:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26725 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05044 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10120; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com (mrin46.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.156]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10067 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) id IAA28763; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971024081045_-2113479144@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, beer@cncnet.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full circle Organic Farm 10/22/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 Your Week's Worth 10/22/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, 3377 Early Times Ln, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad mix 1 lb Big Rainbow tomatoes 1 ea Nappa cabbage 1 lb Roc D'Or wax bean 4 Green peppers 1 lb Zucchetta Rampicante 4 Ancho chilies 2-3 Pomegranites 1 bu Salad Rose radishes 1 Creme de la Creme melon 1 lb Copra yellow onions OR 1pt Fern strawberries Strange Fruit We got pomegranates from our friend and neighbor Sally Allen. Place one in a plastic bag and roll the fruit around on a flat, hard surface to break the capsules around the seeds. Insert a straw and drink. OR Cut a head hole in the bottom of a garbage bag and slit holes in the side for arms, place over your child. Sit them on the porch, and let them pick the seeds out. The seeds look like jewels in salads and desserts. The strawberries look good but lack the sweetness they have at the height of the summer. We still find them better than the ones in the store. We were harvesting Winter Zucchetta when we came across Summer Zucchetta, enough for shares. One last treat. These are the last of the yellow beans, but it looks like we'll have green beans next week. The Nappa cabbage is starting to exhibit tip burn, that 2-3 yucky leaves about 1 inch down. We have no way to know from the outside which cabbages will have this and which won't. If you would like us to cut your cabbage in half to check it, we will do so. Just ask. These cabbages are running 1.5-2x larger than we accounted for in your share price. We use the outer leaves for stuffing, remove the tip burned leaves. Use the remaining top 2/3 for cole slaw and cabbage and noodles, and the remaining third gets stir-fried. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Oct 26 10:16:12 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24755 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11262 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23918; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:08:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from net3.netacc.net (root@net3.netacc.net [206.28.142.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23847 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:07:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lizard (dial-ferengi-0.netacc.net [206.28.142.50]) by net3.netacc.net (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00508; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971026111015.33a78d58@mail.netacc.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:10:15 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Deb Denome To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: annabond@together.net Subject: CARIBBEAN ORGANIC CSA OPPORTUNITIES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: ddenome@mail.netacc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id JAA23848 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 JOB OPENINGS ON CARIBBEAN ORGANIC FARM CSA de Rincón, a Community Supported Agriculture project in the beach town of Rincón, Puerto Rico, has openings for the 1997-1998 season (November - July). A committment to and conceptual understanding of organic farming is required, with further training to take place on site. Limited living quarters available. Outdoor work, hands-on learning experience for those who love Nature and the tropics. WANTED: FARM MANAGER Soil preparation, planting, crop maintenance (fertilizing, pest control, etc), harvesting, and overseeing farmhands. Planning work schedules, organizing farm work. Must have understanding of biology and love of farming. Salary: $9,600 for 40 weeks of hard work. WANTED: CSA ADMINISTRATOR Making payroll, caring for employee relations, balancing the checkbook, coordinating membership, CSA promotion, membership recruitment, fielding phone calls, organizing newsletter information. Must be bilingual (Spanish-English). Hourly wage: $6/hour. WANTED: CSA COORDINATOR Working with farm manager to meet planting and harvest deadlines, coordinating the harvest, cleaning and packing of orders for CSA members, organizing out-of-town shipments of produce. Hourly wage: $6/hour. WANTED: FARMHANDS Carrying out physical duties on the farm, as directed by the farm manager: roto-tilling, applying soil amendments, planting, transplanting, crop maintenance, harvesting, cleaning. Mechanical knowledge of farm machinery a big plus. Hourly wage: $5/hour. Please send resumé to CSA de Rincón, Box 735, Rincón, Puerto Rico 00677, or fax to (787) 823-6282, or e-mail to bectozer@coqui.net. For more information, call Rebecca at (787) 823-6282 or Joseph and Lynn at (787) 823-7786. The sooner, the better! From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Oct 28 17:18:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25133 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12370 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25506; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:10:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from NameSrv.mountain.net (root@Namesrv.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25117 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:04:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.77.38.107] (slip28-8.Mountain.Net [198.77.38.107]) by NameSrv.mountain.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00515 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:03:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:09:38 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: lfi@access.mountain.net (Lightstone Foundation Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Ginseng and Goldenseal Workshop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 Dear List Members, A hands-on agroforestry workshop on ginseng and goldenseal will be held Saturday, November 8, 1997, 10am to 3pm, at the Lightstone Farm Centre, Moyers, West Virginia. Experts will be on hand to show participants where and how to plant ginseng seeds and goldenseal rootlets, two medicinal herbs once common in Appalachia but now almost hunted to extinction. Returns of up to $40,000/acre are possible. Anyone interested is invited to attend. Wear work clothes and boots; bring work gloves. We will supply tools and a light lunch. Seeds and rootlets will be available for purchase at the workshop. Please call 304-249-5200, fax 304-249-5310 or email for more information and a map to the farm. Lightstone Foundation is a non-profit organization dedicated to sustaining rural communities through partnerships, education and demonstration of agroforestry, ecoforestry, watershed restoration, land stewardship principles and sustainable agriculture. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Oct 28 19:54:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27011 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12408 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07581; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:48:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07367 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:45:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26941; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA19279; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: burkik@elwha.evergreen.edu Subject: flower farm info. (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 Can you csa folks on this list come up with alist of csa's for Katie? Please reply to her directly rather than through me.\\Thanks, Lawrence ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Katie Robin Burki To: london@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: flower farm info. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message --------- We are a group of students, from The Evergreen State college, intersested in contacts for a flower farm, which is set up "CSA" style. We are most interseted in the Seattle area, and if you could donate the contacts to our study of farm related enterprises, it would greatly enhance our learning in the class, Ecological Agriculture. We saw your add on the Oregon Tilth Homepage. We would appriciate a response as soon as possible. Thank you Caitin Blethen, Ashley Krest, and Katie Burki -------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence F. London, Jr. - InterGarden - Venaura Farm mailto:london@sunSITE.unc.edu - mailto:llondon@bellsouth.net http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden/permaculture.html -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Oct 30 09:07:16 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19252 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21208 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02125; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:01:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02040 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:01:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA22284; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971030085721_-190685992@emout09.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 10/29/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 Your Week's Worth 10/29/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, 3377 Early Times Ln, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad mix 1 Eggplant 1 lb+ Stir-fry greens 1 bu Salad Rose radishes 1 bu Chioggia beets 2 Green peppers 1 Carnival Winter squash 4 Anaheim chilies 1pt Fern strawberries Bouquet of Greens Stir-fry greens are absolutely fabulous in the field; the scale and color of the leaves is a feast for the eye. I have always struggled with the cooling and rinsing process which homogenizes the look and breaks the leaves. This week I decided to try packaging the beauty the way I would flowers, in a bouquet. Beside looking pretty, this method makes sure everybody gets a full range of greens, and allows you to select the greens your family prefers in a mix. Here's what you see: Green leaf with red veins and stems - Ruby Swiss Chard Bluish leaf with purple stems, smooth edges - Purple Flower- ing Choi Sum, yellow flowers and pods are edible and used Medium green with white veins and stems, highly toothed - Mizuna mustard, very mild Dark purplish-red leaf with green back - Red Giant Japanese mustard, a strong green. We like this one on sandwiches instead of lettuce and mustard. Light green, strappy green - Vitamin Green, mild Round,dark green, white veins and stems-Komatsuna, mild Ruffled, bluish leaves with purple stems - Red Russian kale Other "greens in your share are the tops of the Chioggia beets, and the tops of your radishes. We grow Chioggia, an Italian heirloom beet, both for its beautiful red and white striped flesh and for the fabulous tops. Winter squash can be baked, stuffed, steamed and mashed, made into soup, puddings, pies, and fried into chips. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Nov 2 12:30:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04034 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06440 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16731; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:24:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12993 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03921 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24696 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:04:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:04:58 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Support SUSTAINABLY GROWN Labeling (Ecological & Biointensive) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence F. London, Jr. - Venaura Farm - Dragonfly Market Gardens mailto:london@sunSITE.unc.edu - mailto:llondon@bellsouth.net - Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the SUSTAINABLY GROWN (ecological & biointensive) label - http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden/permaculture.html http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden/orgfarm ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Nov 11 09:36:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14031 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02684 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24774; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:35:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin52.mail.aol.com (mrin52.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.162]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24673 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:34:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA24470; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971111093148_1404251943@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:31:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, jswansn@alaska.net, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm 11/5/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 Your Week's Worth 11/05/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, 3377 Early Times Ln, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad mix 1 bu Bay leaves 1 bu Broccoli 1/2 lb green beans or 1 bu mixed chard and kale snow peas 1 bu Chioggia beet greens 1 bu Salad Rose radishes 2 Sweet peppers 1 Carnival Winter squash 2 Jalepeno chilies 3 lbs Satsuma mandarines Orange you glad... It's mandarin season, and our friend, Steve Pilz, who manages the stone fruit orchard with Bryan, is now into his organic mandarin season. Steve has been running his grandfather's Penryn citrus orchard in tandem with him for the last ten years. Steve had wanted to take the orchard organic many years ago and, now that he has management control, he's able to do so. When Steve's mandarins run out, we'll have some available from Rich Johanson a fellow Master Gardener and grower in Orland. Rich supplies organic citrus to Whole Foods, Wild Oats, Mountain People's and other biggies. Both gentlemen have oranges available from January through March. These are the last of the radishes for the main season. Carrots are developing well and should be ready soon. Snow and snap peas are blooming profusely, and should be more available in the next few weeks. Use either beans or peas in the stew recipe. The beet greens and thinnings are tasty but fragile; eat them soon. Our Italian friends chop both leaves and baby beets coarsely, then stir-fry both in olive oil and garlic until they wilt. Some add a splash of balsamic vinegar for a sweet-and-sour side dish. The gorgeous broccoli comes from Bryan's place. Last Saturday, Lee finished bed preparation on the two other pieces of land Bryan's CSA and ours will be getting veggies from this Winter. REMINDER: SHARES ARE READY ONE DAY EARLIER AT THE USUAL LOCATIONS THANKSGIVING WEEK. 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Main Street Brewster, NY 10509 Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@owlsnest.com From owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Wed Nov 12 11:54:46 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03333 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15799 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 47173 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <222232-5846>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:52:55 -0500 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 48202 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <222801-5844>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:32 -0500 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03301; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03616; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: stoop@email.unc.edu Subject: Request for information about sustainable agriculture. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 Please send replies directly to Jennifer Reed, stoop@email.unc.edu. Thanks, Lawrence -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the BuyGreen and Sustainably Grown (natural, ecological & biointensive) labels http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:14:36 -0500 To: Jennifer Reed Subject: Re: alternative pesticide info... At 06:06 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >hi, my name is jen reed and i was contacting you in the hopes that you >might be able to assist me. i am a student at unc-chapel hill and a group >of students and i are working on a case study about sustainable >agriculture for our ecology class. it would be of great help if you could >provide us with some information on alternative pesticides, herbicides, >intercropping and covercrops. the web pages contain some valuable info, >but we are having trouble actually finding more detailed information about >specific techniques. >our main focus is on local farmers, mainly those who >sell crops at the farmer's market. if you have any information that would >be of any help to us that would be great. From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Wed Nov 12 11:54:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03338 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15812 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 47198 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <222469-5846>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:52:56 -0500 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 48202 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <222801-5844>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:32 -0500 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03301; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03616; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: stoop@email.unc.edu Subject: Request for information about sustainable agriculture. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 Please send replies directly to Jennifer Reed, stoop@email.unc.edu. Thanks, Lawrence -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the BuyGreen and Sustainably Grown (natural, ecological & biointensive) labels http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:14:36 -0500 To: Jennifer Reed Subject: Re: alternative pesticide info... At 06:06 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >hi, my name is jen reed and i was contacting you in the hopes that you >might be able to assist me. i am a student at unc-chapel hill and a group >of students and i are working on a case study about sustainable >agriculture for our ecology class. it would be of great help if you could >provide us with some information on alternative pesticides, herbicides, >intercropping and covercrops. the web pages contain some valuable info, >but we are having trouble actually finding more detailed information about >specific techniques. >our main focus is on local farmers, mainly those who >sell crops at the farmer's market. if you have any information that would >be of any help to us that would be great. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Nov 12 11:55:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03343 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15941 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04361; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:54:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04127 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03301; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03616; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:51:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: stoop@email.unc.edu Subject: Request for information about sustainable agriculture. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 Please send replies directly to Jennifer Reed, stoop@email.unc.edu. Thanks, Lawrence -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the BuyGreen and Sustainably Grown (natural, ecological & biointensive) labels http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:14:36 -0500 To: Jennifer Reed Subject: Re: alternative pesticide info... At 06:06 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >hi, my name is jen reed and i was contacting you in the hopes that you >might be able to assist me. i am a student at unc-chapel hill and a group >of students and i are working on a case study about sustainable >agriculture for our ecology class. it would be of great help if you could >provide us with some information on alternative pesticides, herbicides, >intercropping and covercrops. the web pages contain some valuable info, >but we are having trouble actually finding more detailed information about >specific techniques. >our main focus is on local farmers, mainly those who >sell crops at the farmer's market. if you have any information that would >be of any help to us that would be great. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Nov 14 22:21:18 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03622 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10063 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11851; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:20:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from blue.georgian.net (root@blue.georgian.net [204.101.160.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11756 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:19:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.172.13.61] (organix.georgian.net [206.172.13.61]) by blue.georgian.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28851 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:13:44 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: organix@georgian.net (Tomas L. Nimmo) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Any thoughts? Reports? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organix@mail.georgian.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 201 Did anyone go to the just-completed Massachusetts 2-day CSA Conference? Do you want to share your thoughts or observations on the workshops or the general program? I was unable to go but got some pamphlets from a friend who was there. It sounded intense. Thanks. Tomas From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Nov 15 07:01:14 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18349 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03114 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA00139; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:00:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00105 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:00:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23976 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:00:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711151200.HAA23976@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:55:40 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Relocating my CSA! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 202 Well, I did it this week, listed my beloved Ash Grove Farm with a realtor. It's 20 acres five miles from Corning, NY -- if anybody's seriously interested, e-mail me and I'll slip to you my bottom-line price. It's much lower than you would think. My rental truck is reserved, my goats' traveling pens are built, and I am on my way to Puget Sound within two weeks of Closing. My new project plan for the new CSA, "Our Farm" on South Whidbey Island, is almost complete. The primary reason for my move is climate -- going from Zone 4/5 to 6/7. Other farmers will respond as I did to the "why move?" question -- Well, Duh! Secondary is availability of off-farm employment in my area of specialty (technical writing) -- it's also a no-brainer that I'm less likely to suffer repeated extended spells of non-employment near Seattle than I am here. There's nothing wrong with this area, in fact it has many many special charms, and I seriously believe that it's ripe for an explosion of CSA and small organic "hobby"-type farming. $200,000 houses are springing up around me like mushrooms -- nobody is going to lose money on this property! Once more, e-mail me if you're interested. My past member and contact lists go with the sale, I'm leaving with fond and warm wishes -- striding toward something wonderful and new, not running away from anything! Next installment: driving cross-country with four goats, four cats, and a dirty yellow dog. Found a home for the turkey and the roosters killed the pet hen I was going to take with me. The rest of the flock is sold, just waiting for them to be picked up. Making progress! If anybody in my area would like to spend a cozy afternoon helping me pack and schlep stuff to the auction house next door, I'd be glad to swap picking my brain for 7 years of CSA and organic gardening wisdom! Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Nov 15 13:56:32 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29799 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24841 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16535; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:54:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16419 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:51:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA23208; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:50:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from wor-ma3-57.ix.netcom.com(206.217.145.121) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023199; Sat Nov 15 12:50:40 1997 Message-Id: <01bcf1f7$569d5960$7991d9ce@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:50:26 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: "Tomas L. Nimmo" , Subject: Re: Any thoughts? Reports? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 I would also love to hear, we three from our farm were supposed to go but due to successful! enrollment there was no room, hope this means that CSAs will be as successful. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Tomas L. Nimmo To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 10:22 PM Subject: Any thoughts? Reports? >Did anyone go to the just-completed Massachusetts 2-day CSA Conference? > >Do you want to share your thoughts or observations on the workshops or the >general program? > >I was unable to go but got some pamphlets from a friend who was there. It >sounded intense. > >Thanks. > >Tomas > > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 17 10:13:52 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16471 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16622 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03962; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:12:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin39.mail.aol.com (mrin39.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.149]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03814 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:11:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA14971 for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971117101107_2038493955@mrin39> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: KathiSueC@aol.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: farms in the northeast X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 Hello fellow farmers, I'm travelling to Connecticut, Rhode Island and eastern Massachusetts in the hope of visiting some organic farms over the next several days (Monday through Saturday). I was also hoping someone out there may be able to direct me or make suggestions of farms to visit. I've been farming in California (Santa Cruz) for the past 3 years and have an interest in the northeast as I am originally from the east coast. I realize this is not the most opportune time to visit...snow, etc. have blanketed the landscape in most places but as this is the time of recouperation here, it is also mine in Santa Cruz. Does anyone know what town in Massachusetts Caretaker Farm is located in? Or how to reach Jean Paul Courtens, and what the name of his farm is in NY? Any help is much appreciated!! Cheers! From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 17 15:30:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27550 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19836 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29508; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:27:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca (smtp1.sympatico.ca [204.101.251.52]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29377 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:26:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from Sympatico.sympatico.ca (ppp2127.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.244.15]) by smtp1.sympatico.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19065 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971117152806.006bf658@pop1.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:28:06 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Hilary Chop To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: You could really help me out Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: b1qbem96@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 Hi there, out there! You might remember me......I'm the woman who is doing her research paper on the sustainability of CSA's. Well, I have a few questions that I really need answered by CSA owners/operators. If any of you are willing to help me out by answering these questions, please write me and let me know. I will send you a copy of the questions. There are probably 10 questions, none of which are highly complex or anything. Thanks for your time and effort! Hilary Chop hchop@sympatico.ca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Nov 19 09:44:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11636 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27648 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28440; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from milhouse.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [206.30.88.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28271 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:41:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([208.138.96.30]) by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 141-39833U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA154 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3472B415.2FF4@webcity-development.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:40:39 +0000 Reply-To: janesherry@webcity-development.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jane Sherry To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: farms in the northeast References: <971117101107_2038493955@mrin39> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 KathiSueC@aol.com wrote: > > Hello fellow farmers, > I'm travelling to Connecticut, Rhode Island and eastern Massachusetts in the > hope of visiting some organic farms over the next several days (Monday > through Saturday). I was also hoping someone out there may be able to direct > me or make suggestions of farms to visit. I've been farming in California > (Santa Cruz) for the past 3 years and have an interest in the northeast as I > am originally from the east coast. I realize this is not the most opportune > time to visit...snow, etc. have blanketed the landscape in most places but as > this is the time of recouperation here, it is also mine in Santa Cruz. Does > anyone know what town in Massachusetts Caretaker Farm is located in? Or how > to reach Jean Paul Courtens, and what the name of his farm is in NY? Any help > is much appreciated!! Cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean Paul Courtens & Betsy Cashen run Roxbury BD Farm- a CSA in Claverack, NY. Their e-mail address is roxbury@mhonline.net . They are wonderful, generous folks who I'm sure will respond to your interest. Sincerely, Jane Sherry From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Nov 20 13:57:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20908 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16988; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:54:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com (mrin46.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.156]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16803 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:52:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA12068 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971120135146_2005429413@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:51:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: CURLIES@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Please help me unsubscribe X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 Hello - I cannot cut loose from this mailing list. I really need to. Can anyone help me out? The unsubscribe methods I'm familiar with don't seem to work for this list. Thanks VERY much! Anne Seales curlies@aol.com Santa Cruz, CA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Nov 21 10:02:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06949 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06297 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22583; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:00:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin85.mail.aol.com (mrin85.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.195]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22333 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:57:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA07672; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:55:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971121095507_-1005162218@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:55:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, jswansn@alaska.net, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm - 11/19/97 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 Your Week's Worth 11/19/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, 3377 Early Times Ln, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 3/4 lb Mesclun salad 3/4 lb green beans 1 bu Chioggia beets 1/4 lb Snow peas or Snap pea 1 Zucchetta Rampicante or Butternut Winter squash 2 Sweet peppers 3 lb Fuji apples 2 Anaheim chilies 1 lb English walnuts Winter Weather and Crops One of the basic tenets of Community Supported Agriculture is that the Community shares some of the risk with the Farm, thus providing the Farm with more stability. The farmer reduces the risk by growing a wide variety of crop so the share still has food in it even if a crop or two is a failure. Perhaps the biggest unknown in the farming equation is the weather. Hailstorms can destroy greens and beat down transplants. Days on end of rain or cloudy weather can keep greens from growing and root crops from developing. Rainy, foggy weather can hinder the picking of citrus- not because pickers are afraid of getting wet, but because if the citrus rind is damp when packed, the fruit becomes prone to rot in the box. The weather can affect us positively, too. Our mild Fall has let us have green beans and sweet peppers even in late November. We reminded ourselves of this when, because of the lack of sun in the last 10 days, the salad mix didn't grow fast enough to give the usual 1 lb per share and the chard hadn't put on enough leaves to make decent bunches. We always feel guilty when the share bag isn't full to overflowing. If you are considering an every-other-week Winter share starting in January, please remind yourself, too. This will be affecting Thanksgiving week, too. We have not been able to get regular potatoes and manderins are iffy. REMINDER: SHARES ARE READY ONE DAY EARLIER AT THE USUAL LOCATIONS THANKSGIVING WEEK. Curried Winter Squash Soup 1 med winter squash 1/2 t dried thyme 2 T butter 1 qt chicken or veggie stock 1 med onions, chopped 1/2 t salt 1 t curry powder 1 /2c heavy cream 2 med apples, peeled, chopped white pepper to taste 2 T celery, chopped Serves 4 - 6 Preheat oven to 350xF. Cut the squash in half, scoop out the seeds, brush the outside with oil and place, cut side down, on a cookie sheet. Bake until tender, 30 to 45 minutes. While the squash is baking, chop the onions and the apples. When the squash is done, remove it to cool. In a heavy pot, melt the butter , add onion and cook, without browning, until the onion softens. Add curry powder, stirring, one minute more. Add the apple. Scoop out pieces of cooled squash and stir them into the pot. Then add thyme, salt and chicken stock. Bring to a boil and simmer gently for 15 mins. Using a slotted spoon, remove squash, apple and onion pieces to a food processor or blender. Puree smooth, adding soup liquid as necessary to keep soup moving. Return puree to the pot, bring back to a boil, then remove from the heat. Add white pepper to taste, correct salt, and serve. Green Bean Salad with Asian-style Dressing DRESSING 3 T White wine vinegar 1-inch piece ginger, peeled and minced 2 T rice wine vinegar 2 t sesame oil 2 t soy sauce 1/3 c veggie oil 1 clove garlic SALAD 3/4 - 1 lb green beans, trimmed 2 green onions, finely chopped 1 T sesame seeds Credit: Gourmet Magazine April 1995 Serves 4 In a small bowl, whisk together vinegars, soy sauce, garlic, gingerroot, and sesame oil. Add veggie oil in a stream, whisking until emulsified. Season with salt and pepper. Toast sesame seeds in a small dry skillet over moderate heat, stirring, until golden and transfer to a small bowl. Cook beans in boiling water until crisp-tender, about 4 mins. Drain in a colander and rinse under cold water. Drain beans well. In a large bowl, combine beans, scallions, sesame seeds, and dressing and toss well. Serve salad chilled or at room temperature. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 13:52:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04017 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25572 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25857; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:46:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25765 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:44:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from sf-pm8-21-181.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.181] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xZPEF-0007JK-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:44:47 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:49:00 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Douglas Butdorf To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Help, I want to leave list too. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: douglas@mailhub.reel.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 If anyone knows the way to remove oneself from this list, please post it to the list. Thanks, Douglas *---------------------------------* Douglas Butdorf dbutdorf@slip.net http://www.slip.net/~dbutdorf/ *---------------------------------* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:46 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05017 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org ([192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08333 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15242; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:45:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15185 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:44:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12618 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:44:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711231944.OAA12618@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:23:07 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Member Benefits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 210 > Hi, Doris & All > > Thanks for bringing this up Doris . Just for the record, my name isn't Doris. It's a fine name, just doesn't belong to me. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05023 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14947 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10485; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:11:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com (mrin46.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.156]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10366; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:10:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA03108; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:09:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971123130945_786523300@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:09:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: FranksFarm@aol.com To: funfarm@servtech.com, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Member Benefits X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 211 Hi, Doris & All Thanks for bringing this up Doris . I hope it stimulates a lot of good posts. I too am considering starting up a small CSA on a homestead farm I hope to purchase soon. haven't settled on an area yet but am leaning to southern Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, western Virginia, SC or the Ozarks. Many of the areas selected are fairly rural with relatively small populations . Further in many of these areas there is relatively low disposable income, and many of the local folk are cash poor, and fairly self reliant. hardly ideal situation for a CSA. I'd love to hear from members that are running successful CSA's in such areas, and how they operate, what they charge etc. Thanks. Anyone out there in the Ozarks? Love to talk with you by private E_Mail about the area? Best wishes to all for a very Happy Thanksgiving. frank From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05026 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21947 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06500; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:37:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from hamptons.com (hamptons.com [204.141.112.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06464 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:37:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from Default ([204.141.112.118]) by hamptons.com with SMTP (IPAD 2.0) id 4052400 ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:40:31 EST Message-Id: <199711231640.4052400@hamptons.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:40:31 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: mc2 To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: howdy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: mc2@hamptons.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 212 greetings. i just joined the list, and want to introduce myself. my name is moe clancy. i want to start up and administer a CSA on eastern long island with my good friend who is an organic farmer. we know nothing about how to do it. he is a good farmer who grows beautiful stuff. my strengths are my organizational and people skills. we are both committed to organic farming, and making organic produce available to those who want it and who want to be involved in its production. can anyone offer advice as to where to start? what i have so far is a mailing list of about 50 interested families and individuals. and we also know that we don't want to offer working shares. i was shut out of the csa conference that was held in massachusetts earlier this month. did i miss lots of great stuff? thank you so much. pleasure to be here. - moe From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:55 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05034 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17661 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05780; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:19:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05731 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:18:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23790 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711231618.LAA23790@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:08:57 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Community-Shared Animals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 213 I've had some moderate success selling shares in my goat herd and chicken flock, am serious considering sharing a couple of horses when I relocate. Has anybody else co-opped animals? Good experiences or horror stories? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:55 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05036 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11381 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04613; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:49:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04575 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:49:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id HAA09181; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.22Aug97) id HAA29264; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:49:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711231549.HAA29264@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:49:38 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: hunger@tmn.com Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: intro/bio Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 214 Hi! Sounds like you have a nice project idea! Our dream is to see the development of small cruelty-free family farms all over the world. We now have 501(c)(3) tax exemption. Your donations are now tax deductible. You can also donate land, or donate the use of land for community gardening. Check our website for more details, Sincerely, CJ Flores http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living development center" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05040 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03497 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03282; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:13:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01155 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:53:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from Mizzou-AS9-45.missouri.edu (Mizzou-AS9-45.missouri.edu [128.206.209.189]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA110096 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:52:57 -0600 Message-Id: <34785F70.398F@tmn.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:53:04 -0800 Reply-To: hunger@tmn.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "William E. Dellinger" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: intro/bio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 215 Good Morning: By way of introduction, I am starting the process of forming a CSA, witha deliberate emphasis on developing the community first, in terms of time and importance. From that view, I am not attempting a new form of marketing to sell my produce, or attempting 'subscription' farming. Rather, I hope to see a community develop that together shares the responsibility and rewards of food. I prefer an economically and culturally diverse community group, from poor to affluent, some involved in work and distribution, some not, some alternative, some mainstream, and attempt to bring it all together in one diverse effort. Thanks for and to the list, Bill From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05047 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29660 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA21551; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:21:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21482 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:20:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06385 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:20:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711231220.HAA06385@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:09:25 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Member Benefits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 216 Hi, All! Looks like my relocation from New York to Puget Sound is going to be delayed by a few months (whew!) -- one of the goats is farther along than was first evident and we're going to have Christmas kids, so have to wait until they can be weaned and sold or transported. So while I'm hugging the woodstove and drooling over the seed catalogs (and packing and schlepping stuff to the auction house), I thought it might be fun to ask and compare with other CSA folks how they approach some of the details of operating a CSA. I'm throwing out three categories today. MEMBER BENEFITS: Do your members get any special considerations beyond great produce? Things aren't completely firm yet at Our Farm, but the general direction is "Yes, Absolutely". Here's what we're planning to offer: Certified organically-grown vegetables, herbs, fruits, and flowers -- weekly harvest bags from June through October - best quality and freshest "Paring Knife Specials" at half-price Group visits to area u-pick farms (loganberries and blueberries, apples, sweet corn, strawberries) Canning and freezing "bees" Small fee for use of the farm's dehydrators Monthly newsletter (member news, recipes, upcoming events) Free visiting privileges (non-members pay a small fee) 10% discount over farmstand and farm market prices 20% discount on workshops held at the farm (at least 1 per month0 Monthly dinner and Core Group meeting Quarterly Core Group Fun Days (team-building workshops) Garden supply buying co-op, 20% over wholesale (members only) Whole food buying co-op, 20% over wholesale (members only) Goat herd co-op (members only) Garden work co-op -- workers share income from farmstand and market sales, Core Group hours count toward this benefit Group tours and trips to other gardens and off-farm events Have we forgotten anything? Anybody have another benefit to add? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator temporarily still at Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html relocating in March to Our Farm Community-Shared Agriculture Project will be http://www.ourfarm.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:57 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05050 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29703 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA21608; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:22:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21493 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:20:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06390 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:20:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711231220.HAA06390@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:35:30 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Setting Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 217 How do other folks balance getting a fair price for everything they offer at their CSA versus the desire many of us have to include folks at all economic levels? At Ash Grove I charged $50 annual membership to cover newsletter and infrastructure items such as chemical toilets and wash stations along the hay road, and the $1200 per year extra liability insurance I had to carry in order to allow "civilians" onto my property. The remainder of our $300 annual minimum fee was based on harvest bags of $10 per week in June, $12 in July, $15 in August and September, $12 in October. Per-bunch and per-pound prices were based on that week's grocery store prices for commercial produce plus 20% to account for the fact that our stuff was organically grown -- it still cost about half what the stores charged for their organic produce (when they had it available). I asked for the first third of the annual "Harvest Share" payment by March 1 to cover seed purchases and certification fees, second third by May 1 to cover supplies purchases and plowing, final third by July 1 to make sure we'd be able to pay our weeding and harvesting helpers. Some people expressed appreciation over the break-down so they could better understand how and why I needed some money before they actually got their produce. Other people called me a faddist opportunist, yet others reviled me as a communist. Go please the world, right? One year I tried to make it easy on everybody, cut out the member fee and just sold "credit cards" good for $50 worth of produce. Only two people that year bought more than one card, 90% of the purchasers lost them (the only record of how much they had purchased and how much credit they had remaining). The next year my attitude was "support this farm with a $300 commitment or see us at the market if we have any surplus that week". I had fewer members that year but it was a heck of a lot more fun because they all cared. I learned CSA Lesson Number One: Success is not always measured by numbers or dollars. Absolutely committed to CSA as an expression of social justice in agriculture, I accepted USDA Food Stamps but gave that up when the one bank in the area that had agreed to hold a pass-through savings account without a fee changed their minds and started charging $5 a month. I only processed $200 per year in food stamps, losing more than 25% to the bank tied my knickers in a knot and I closed the account. Offered working shares instead. Gosh, that needs a lot of organizing and supervising! I still have a problem understanding how people can be so disconnected from their agricultural roots that they can't tell the difference between a weed and a crop plant even after you've spent fifteen minutes with them demonstrating. My newest plan for this is.....oops, that's another thread, I think! Discussion? Ideas? How do others set their prices? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:38:00 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05063 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11964 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11127; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:28:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11083 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:27:50 -0600 (CST) Received: (from xx206@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01108; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:27:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:27:49 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Community Supported Agriculture To: CSA Networking List Subject: Welcome to new CSA-L members & CSA-L FAQ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 218 Welcome, I added several new people to CSA-L who had registered via the World Wide Web and wanted to send out the Frequently Asked Questions (Below) again, as I'll try to do periodically. If new list members could say a little about themselves and any CSAs they're working with, it would be a nice introduction. In the FAQ are directions for unsubscribing which can also be found on the web page. As a general rules, save such files in a list file somewhere so your prepared when its time to unsubscribe. - John Barclay, CSA-L facilitator, Champaign, IL --------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions for CSA-L Networking List (available at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html) 1. What is CSA-L? 2. What is Community Supported Agriculture? 3. How do I subscribe to CSA-L? 4. How do I unsubscribe to CSA-L? 5. What is appropriate to post to CSA-L? 6. How do I post to CSA-L? 7. Who subscribes to CSA-L? 8. Where can I find archives of CSA-L? 9. How can I find a CSA where I live? 10. What are some useful CSA organizations? 11. What are some good books, articles, and videos of CSA? 12. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web. ******************************************************* 1. WHAT IS CSA-L? The e-mail list "CSA-L@prairienet.org" is for networking on Community Supported Agriculture. We hope to see discussions on goals, distribution styles, outreach tools, member retention, educational work, connections with non-CSA organizations, etc. We also would like to see the exchange of newsletter articles and information about resources on CSA such as networking organizations, books, journals, videos, audio tapes from conferences, speaker tours of interest to CSAs, etc. In short, we would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of as many CSA's as possible to help the CSA movement grow and strengthen! The listowners are John Barclay (jbarclay@prairienet.org) of Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois and Sarah Milstein (milstein@pipeline.com) of Just Food in New York, New York. ******************************************************* 2. What is Community Supported Agricutlure Community Supported Agriculture is a partnership between farmers and consumers. In CSA, consumers buy products directly from the farm, and pay for them in advance. Farmers do their best to produce sufficient quantity and quality of fresh, nutritious food for their customers' needs and palates. In some CSAs, people pay in advance to support a farm for a season. In return, these 'shareholders' or 'sharers' receive a share of whatever the farm has ready to harvest each week. In other CSAs, also called subscription farms, people subscribe to a share of a given value, prepaying monthly or quarterly. Although the size of subscription shares don't change throughout the year, the content varies with the season. CSA gives non-farmers a chance to get more involved in producing and distributing their own food. Farms sponsor tours, workdays, and even 'workshares' to bring shareholders out to the farm. CSAs also often ask shareholders to help deliver shares, sponsor drop-off sites, manage shareholder lists, write newsletters, and more ******************************************************* 2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname Lastname" in the message. Put your first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname and omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. ******************************************************* 3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "unsubscribe CSA-L" in the message. Omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. If this doesn't work, send an e-mail to jbarclay@prairienet.org and I will unsubscribe you. ******************************************************* 4. WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO POST TO CSA-L? All messages should meet the following criteria: -> Messages should be related to the purpose of the list. -> Messages should have a clear subject heading. -> Messages between individuals should not go to the entire list unless the information in them may be of interest to the list. -> Messages should include a good signature which includes your name, any organization that you represent, and where you are located geographically. -> Questions that are answered in the Frequently Asked Questions Postings (FAQs) should be avoided. These guidelines are to improve the quality and effectiveness of the list as a networking tool. As the number of subscribers to the list grows, the success of the list will depend on the quality of our postings. ******************************************************* 5. HOW DO I POST TO CSA-L? To post a message to the whole list, send it to CSA-L@prairienet.org In order to post to CSA-L, you must be subscribed to the list and send the message from the account name that you are subscribed on. In other words, If you have several e-mail accounts or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you subscribed from. ******************************************************* 6. WHO SUBSCRIBES TO CSA-L? Over 200 farmers, CSA members, students studying CSA, and other interested parties from around the world. To get a list of the subscribers send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "recipients CSA-L" in the body and a current list will be sent to you. Some subscriber biographies are available on the CSA-L web page. ******************************************************* 7. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA-L? On the world wide web at: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ ******************************************************* 8. HOW CAN I FIND A CSA WHERE I LIVE? Call the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association toll-free CSA/BDA Consumer Hot Line (1-800-516-7797) to request a free list of the CSA/BDA farms and/or gardens in your state. CSA West is a resource for finding CSAs on the west coast of the U.S., especially California. (408/459-3964). ******************************************************* 9. WHAT ARE SOME USEFUL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL RESOURCE ORGANIZATIONS ON CSA? CSA OF NORTH AMERICA (CSANA), founded by the recently deceased Robyn Van En, will be one of the lead organizations in the Northeast CSA Conference, scheduled for January 1998. Tel: 413.528.4374. http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA THE BIODYNAMIC FARMING AND GARDENING ASSOCIATION, Inc. is a major promoter of CSA in North America, especially in the Northeast. Located in Kimberton, PA, the Association publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, sponsors a CSA conference every winter and maintains a large and remarkably comprehensive database of established CSAs in North America. On request, the Association will provide a list of CSAs for any given area. They also sell Louise's Leaves. They can be reached at 1.800.516.7797 or PO Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19442. http://www.biodynamics.com/. EQUITY TRUST, INC. is a community development organization that has created a revolving-loan fund for CSAs to acquire and develop agricultural land with appropriate conservation easements and/or other tenure arrangements that serve both farmers and communities. Their Fund for Conservation and Community Supported Agriculture allows investors to make unusually safe, flexible financial investments that support progressive social change. Equity Trust also provides technical assistance and advises CSAs on lend tenure issues. Equity Trust can be reached at 539 Beach Pond Road, Voluntown, CT 06384. Tel: 860.376.6174. JUST FOOD. Just Food is building connections between urban communities and regional small farms. During the 1996-97 season, we were instrumental in enabling six new CSAs to begin delivery in New York City. For the 1997-98 season, Just Food will be focusing on low-income residents' access to CSA. We are not a core group, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU, AND WE CAN HELP YOUR CSA TAKE ROOT AND GROW IN THE CITY. Contact Sarah Milstein or Kathy Lawrence, at any point & with any questions: 290 Riverside Drive, #15D, New York, NY 10025-5287; Tel: 212/666.2168; Fax: 212.531.4849; Email: milstein@pipeline.com CSA WEST. CSA West was founded to expand the CSA movement by offering regional information to farmers, prospective and current CSA members, the media, student/interns, and related non-profit organizations. CSA projects are very much the product of a grassroots movement, where farmers and other CSA organizers swap information among themselves. We strive to expand this exchange of new ideas, tried-and-true practices, and helpful tips on running CSAs among new, old, and potential participants in the western United States. csawest@caff.org. 916-756-8518, extension 27; fax: 916-756-7857 US mail: CAFF, PO Box 363, Davis, CA 95617. http://www.caff.org/caff/programs/ MADISON AREA CSA COALITION (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ******************************************************* 10. WHAT ARE SOME GOOD BOOKS, ARTICLES, AND VIDEOS OF CSA? FARMS OF TOMORROW: COMMUNITY SUPPORTED FARMS, FARM SUPPORTED COMMUNITIES, by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden. Although published in 1990 -- only five years into the CSA movement in this country -- the book is still relevant today. With a section on the troubled relationship between modern agriculture, environment, people and food, plus profiles of seven CSAs that are beginning to address these problems, it's a very readable and useful work. Farms of Tomorrow is available from the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association (see above). A new version will be published later this year. COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE. . . MAKING THE CONNECTION. A 1995 HANDBOOK FOR PRODUCERS. Presented by University of California Cooperative Extension Placer County and Small Farm Center, UC Davis. 198 pages ** binder format. MAKING THE CONNECTION pulls together the experience of many innovative projects. While describing the diversity of CSA, this handbook for producers also addresses common questions and concerns including: What is CSA?, Developing a CSA, Finding and keeping members, Production for CSA, Managing the shares. $25. Contact UC Cooperative Extension at 916-889-7385 for ordering information or on the CSA-L web page or e-mail ceplacer@ucdavis.edu. THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL FOOD GUIDE, published by cornell coop extension, has excellent information and tips On eating local, seasonal produce. To order, call 607.255.2080. GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about CSA farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are $27/year. Gfm, fairplain publications, P.O. box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046; Tel/fax: 913.841.2559. ******************************************************* 11. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web? Links to all the web sites I can find related to CSAs can be found at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Nov 24 14:37:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05044 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29718 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA21644; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:22:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21507 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:20:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06399 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711231220.HAA06399@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:44:34 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Working Shares? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 219 Offered working shares instead. Gosh, that needs a lot of organizing and supervising! I still have a problem understanding how people can be so disconnected from their agricultural roots that they can't tell the difference between a weed and a crop plant even after you've spent fifteen minutes with them demonstrating. My newest approach is to form a garden work co-op in which everybody keeps track of their hours (and it's checked by somebody reliable, sigh, at some point no matter how much I try to empower people I do get turned into the policewoman). Income from farmstand sales, garden tours/visits by non-members, and farm market sales is recorded and the operating costs of those endeavors (advertising, stall fees, etc.) subtracted. Remainder (profit) is divided among the workers in the same proportion as their total hours (for example, if somebody provided 10% of the work, they get 10% of the profit). Note that these workers are not paid from CSA fees. We also have apprentices and teen workers who provide our steady workforce, and they are paid a salary from memberships. The Lead Farmer/Facilitator (me), Core Group, and members who want to help in the gardens but don't want to do so for free are those who are paid through the Garden Work Co-op. Regular workers may do additional work as co-op members, above and beyond their contracted time and salary. The problem I had with "working shares" was that I got lots of promises of work and lots of heartbreaking days when nobody remembered to show up. How do other CSAs handle working shares? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Nov 25 14:12:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05846 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25090 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13262; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:59:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin86.mail.aol.com (mrin86.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.196]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13163 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:58:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA17387; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971125134721_-690770546@mrin86.mail.aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: whblake@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, beer@cncnet.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, jswansn@alaska.net, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Full Circle Organic Farm- 11/26/97 (Recipes-long) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 220 Your Week's Worth 11/26/97 from Full Circle Organic Farm, 3377 Early Times Ln, Auburn, CA (916) 885-9201 1 lb Mesclun salad 1 bu Broccoli 1 bu Baby carrots 3 lb Sweet potatoes 3/4 lb green beans 3 lb Yukon Gold or German 1/4 lb Snow peas or Snap pea Butterball potatoes 2 Sweet peppers 3 lb Fuji apples 1 Rouge Vif D'Temps or 2 Pomegranites Lakota Winter squash Giving Thanks We are thankful this week for YOU, who have chosen to support Full Circle Organic Farm through your share purchase, your prayers, and your labor. We are thankful for all of YOU who go that extra mile (sometimes literally) to bring shares to your area, and bring people to the Farm, helping create a greater sense of community. To those of you who have reached out to other shareholders in a personal way, participated in workdays, and feasts, we are especially thankful, YOU are actively creating the Community we all want. We are thankful for our fellow farmers, who chose to grow organic produce, sustaining the land and allowing us access to crops we don't have space for, or that failed. We are especially grateful for the Smiths and Bryan Kaminsky who actively work with us to create a greater sense of Community among local growers. The sweet potatoes are from Nigel and Francis at Eatwell Farms in Winters, potatoes are from Happy Boy Farms in Watsonville and another coastal farm. Pomegranites are from our friend Sally in Lincoln. They make wonderful garnishes in the salad or the sweet potato casserole. A stuffed squash makes a beautiful, seasonal meal centerpiece for vegetarian families to carve and share. Make sure your dressing is firm and keep it with the squash slice rather than scooping it out. The sides are traditionally based and low-fat.A Vegetarian Thanksgiving Menu Mesclun Salad with Wanut-Mustard Dressing* Yogurt Mashed Potatoes (microwaveable)* Sweet Potato, Apple and Cranberry Casserole (microwaveable)* Steamed Broccoli Florets and Carrots Green Onion and Sesame Corn Muffins* Winter Squash with Stuffing Variations* Mushroom Gravy* Pumpkin or Apple Pie This meal works as either a buffet or sit down. Walnut Mustard Salad Dressing 4 T mayonnaise, regular or low-fat 1 1/2 T grainy Dijon mustard 4 T lemon juice, fresh 1 t honey 2 T olive oil + 2 T walnut oil 1 c walnuts, toasted & coarsely chopped Combine all ingredients except nuts in small bowl. Whisk to blend well. Season dressing to taste with salt and pepper. Add dressing; to salad and toss to coat evenly. Divide salad among 4 plates. Sprinkle with walnuts and serve. This dressing works well over chilled steamed veggies like green beans carrots and potatoes. Vegetarian Mushroom Gravy 1 lb mixed fresh mushrooms such as cremini, oyster, or shiitake 4 lg garlic cloves, minced 1/2 c dry red wine (opt) or 2T Brewer's yeast or Aminos in 1/2 c water 2 T unsalted butter 1 T balsamic vinegar 1 onion, chopped fine 1/2 t sugar 1 Tsoy sauce 2 T finely chopped fresh parsley leaves 1 T cornstarch dissolved in 1 1/2 c cold water Makes about 2 1/2 c Slice mushrooms. In a 10-inch heavy non-stick skillet cook garlic in butter over moderately low heat, stirring, until pale golden. Add onion and cook, stirring, until softened. Add mushrooms and soy sauce and saute mixture over moderately high heat, stirring, until liquid mushrooms give off is evaporated and mushrooms begin to brown. Add wine and vinegar, or yeast or Aminos and boil until liquid is evaporated. Stir cornstarch mixture and add to skillet with sugar. Bring mixture to a boil, stirring, and simmer 2 minutes. Stir in parsley and season gravy with salt and pepper. Gravy may be made 1 day ahead and chilled, covered. When reheating gravy, add water if necessary to thin to desired consistency. Green Onion and Sesame Corn Muffins 6 T butter 2 t baking powder 1 bu green onions, thinly sliced 1 1/2 t salt 1 c yellow cornmeal 1 c buttermilk 1 c unbleached flour 1 egg, beaten 1/3 c sugar additional sesame seeds, untoasted 1/4 c sesame seeds, toasted Credit: Bon Appetit March 96 Makes 12 muffins Preheat oven to 425xF. Line 12 muffin cups with foil muffin liners. Melt 2T butter in heavy small skillet over medium heat. Add green onions, sauteing, about 1 minute. Add remaining butter and stir until just melted. Remove from heat. Mix cornmeal, flour, sugar, 1/4 cup toasted sesame seeds, baking powder, salt and baking soda in large bowl. Make well in center. Add buttermilk, egg and onion mixture to well. Mix into dry ingredients until just moistened. Divide batter among prepared muffin cups. Sprinkle with additional sesame seeds. Bake muffins until golden and firm to touch, about 20mins. Transfer to rack. Serve warm or at room temperature. To lower the fat in this, substitute applesauce for 4 T of butter. Sweet Potato, Apple, and Cranberry Casserole 2 - 3 lg sweet potatoes 1 c apple juice 2 - 3 medium apples 1 c fresh cranberries Serves 4 - 6 I like sweet potatoes and hate to see them smoothered. This recipe is my alternative to marshmellow and brown sugar glazes. Peel sweet potatoes and slice into 1/2-inch rounds. Peel the apples. Cut them in half, lengthwise and core. Slice them crosswise into 1/2-inch slices. In a medium casserole, alternate slices of apples and sweet potatoes, overlapping slices so they slant /////. I usually get two rows of slices and I slant them in opposite directions. Pour apple juice over and sprinkle with cranberries. Cover with plastic wrap, waxed papper or a glass lid and microwave on high for about 10 minutes, checking for doneess at about 7 minutes. If you want more sweetness, try mixing a 1/4 c of maple syrup into the apple juice. Pomegranite seeds make a beautiful garnish. Sprinkle them on just before serving. Centerpiece Baked Winter Squash with Stuffing Variations 1 large winter squash or pumpkin, we like Rouge Vif D'Temps or a good Hubbard If you have a pumpkin, cut the top using a slant cut like you would a Jack o Lantern. Scoop out the seed cavity. If you are using a Hubbard squash, cut it in half lengthwise ( we use a cleaver and rubber malet to do this) Scoop out the seed cavity. Oil the outside of your squash and place it on a baking sheet in a 350xF oven for about 45 minutes to pre-cook. Make your dressing while this is happening. Onion-Sage Dressing 6 c stale bread cubes 2 -3 T ground or rubbed sage 2 med onions, coarsely chopped 2 t thyme, ground 2 stalks celery, coarsely chopped 2 t rosemary, well crushed 2 T garlic, chopped 1 - 1 1/2 c broth Combine bread cubes with dry spices mixing thoroughly. Saute veggies in a small amount of broth until just tender. Add the rest of the broth and the veggies to the bread cubes. I mix this by hand and season with salt and pepper. ( I've been known to add chopped apples and raisins for a sweeter dressing or green peppers, corn and chilies for a Southwest take) Pack dressing firmly into squash cavity.Wrap or cover your stuffed squash with foil to prevent excess browning and keep moisture in. If using half a Hubbard, place cut side down on the baking sheet. If using a round squash, cover the "lid" with foil separately. Return squash to the oven and bake another hour or until shell is fork tender and dressing is heated through. Remove from oven and let set for 10 minutes before carving. Rounds may be carved like separating an orange. Hubbards are placed cut side down usually cut down the middlle lengthwise and then sliced crosswise. I also like Lundburg's Jubilee Rice, the blend with the lentils, as a squash stuffing. I add mushrooms, onions and celery to it and pre cook. Yogurt Mashed Potatoes 1 1/4 c plain yogurt, regular or lowfat 2 lb potatoes, peeled and cut into 4 green onions, sliced eigths 1/4 c milk, regular or lowfat Salt and pepper to taste 1/2 - 1 t curry powder (opt) Parsley, fresh, chopped Combine yogurt, green onions and curry powder in bowl. Place potatoes in microwave-safe dish. Add milk. Cover tightly and cook on High until potatoes are tender but not mushy, about 12 minutes. Remove from microwave. Add yogurt mixture to potatoes and mash roughly. Season with salt and pepper. Garnish with parsley. This may also be cooked conventionally. Add roasted garlic for a treat. Bon Appetit November 1991 Kate Zentall: Venice, California 4 servings From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Nov 25 16:00:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08797 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28513 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21744; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:45:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21657 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:44:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from 208.224.73.27 (gb2ip7.bcn.net [208.224.73.27]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27051 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <347AF2B3.64EF@bcn.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:45:55 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: csana To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Growers Wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 221 Farmer(s) wanted for startup organic farm and planned CSA ...in Northern Berkshire County (extreme western MA, close to border with NY state) Cheshire/Lanesborough area voice: 413-743-4425 fax: 413-743-7580 email: vkgs28d@prodigy.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Nov 25 16:14:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09362 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02440 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23195; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:07:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from nicanor.acu.edu (woodm@nicanor.acu.edu [150.252.128.210]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23149 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:07:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (woodm@localhost) by nicanor.acu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27447; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:05:11 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:05:10 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marge Wood To: MARCIEROSE@aol.com Cc: whblake@ix.netcom.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, beer@cncnet.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, jswansn@alaska.net, snobear@teleport.com, julie@ssw.pdx.edu, Shiro@neworld.net Subject: Re: Full Circle Organic Farm- 11/26/97 (Recipes-long) In-Reply-To: <971125134721_-690770546@mrin86.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 222 Crushed pineapple is good in there with the sweet potatoes and apples, too. --------------------------------------------------- Marge Wood woodm@nicanor.acu.edu (915) 674 2341 http://www.acu.edu/~woodm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Nov 26 01:03:23 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21178 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09681 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26333; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:57:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26285 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:56:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA21829; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.22Aug97) id TAA03058; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:39:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711260339.TAA03058@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:39:27 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: arrowstar@webtv.net, CSA-L@prairienet.org, oxoasis@gnofn.org Subject: Ecovillage Cob Cottage Workshop Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1190567998-1427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 223 --WebTV-Mail-1190567998-1427 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis "The cruelty-free living center" --WebTV-Mail-1190567998-1427 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; X-URL-TITLE="Ecovillage Cob Cottage Workshop"; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.thefarm.org/etc/cob.html --WebTV-Mail-1190567998-1427-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Nov 26 22:15:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18503 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13306 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29680; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:59:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from bridgernet.com (bridgernet.com [192.41.13.73]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29581 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:57:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from jamison.bridgernet.com (ip148.bridgernet.com [192.41.70.148]) by bridgernet.com (8.8.5) id TAA26313; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:57:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711270257.TAA26313@bridgernet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:30:38 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: jamison@bridgernet.com (Paul, Michelle, Johanna Jamison) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: addresses for ben insects and questions for no-till Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Authentication-Warning: bridgernet.com: Host ip148.bridgernet.com [192.41.70.148] claimed to be jamison.bridgernet.com X-Sender: jamison@pop.bridgernet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 224 A while back someone was asking about slug control. I sent then the address of a group which sells the predatory snail Rumina decollata, and I thought maybe someone else may be interested, or has tried this out and can tell us if they had any sucess. Here is the address: ARBICO p.o. box 4247 Tucson Arizona 85738-1247 Also, I am interested in any information on small scale no-till farming which you may have. I have a small space (1/2 acre) which I have historically cultivated by hand. I feel the need to either purchase a tiller or find a method which works even better than this. From the couple of studies I have read it seems almost foolish to till if you can help it. Tilling just messes up the world of the underground critters which we rely on to work and create our soil. So, please let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks very much, Michelle J. Magpie Produce From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 2 13:28:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02062 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12829 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14830; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:31:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (root@relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14668 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:29:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from SERVER (a0002.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.2]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09530 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:29:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712012329.SAA09530@relay.mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:29:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: asba@asba.net To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Correct Address for Press Releases? 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Jennifer Howard American Small Business Association 720 Seventh Street, NW, Suite 304 Washington, DC 20001 Phone: (202) 332-4368 Fax: (202) 639-0999 email: marketing@asba.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 2 13:33:25 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02273 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org ([192.17.3.5] (may be forged)) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06734 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11039; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:23:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10991 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:23:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.103.16.183] (philly104.voicenet.com [207.103.16.183]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA17770 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:22:51 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: gmscullion@iname.com (Gail Scullion) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Bio on G.M.Scullion from Phila, PA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: gmscullion@mail.geocities.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 226 Hello everyone! My name is Gail and I was born and raised in Philadelphia, PA. I just finished working as an apprentice on a Biodynamic farm. The Kimberton CSA. I am told it is the third BD/CSA farm in the U.S. I am currently gathering information about CSA apprenticeships. I plan to write a book that will help people who want to do an apprenticeship on a CSA. I would like it to have as much resource information as I can find. I thought I hit the lottery when I found this place. I welcome all who are willing to share. Gail Scullion:) Philadelphia, PA gmscullion@iname.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/4200 PS My web page is under construction at it's present stage. Please visit after January 1998 when I have worked on it a bit. It will contain organic farming, CSA/BD and soil erosion information. Thank you:) From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Dec 3 16:12:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05302 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16263 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12942; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:03:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12821 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:01:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04971 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA21123 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:01:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:01:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. 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Anyone who sells or thinks they may in the future sell farm products needs a copy of this." - Gwen Roland, Communications Specialist, SARE, University of Georgia From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Dec 3 23:53:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16183 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21295 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15945; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:48:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP2@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15892 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:47:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 03 Dec 97 23:47:24 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:41:15 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Tactics to introduce CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 228 I have been having some difficulty trying to think of the best way to confront a local farmer to experiment 1-2 acres of his land to establish an organic CSA farming area. The farmer recently sold 12 acres to a house developer and I am deeply concerned that he may sell more property. His farm is boxed in by 3 surrounding neighborhoods that would support the farm for the future, greatly benefit from the open space of the farm, and develop a strong link between the community. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jonathan Layburn University of Maine at Orono student From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Dec 4 07:22:27 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26817 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01356 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA03016; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:21:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02938 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:20:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11871 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712041220.HAA11871@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:15:48 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Tactics to introduce CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 229 Rent or buy the land from him, do not suggest that he should sugar-daddy the project. If it ain't financially sustainable it ain't sustainable. You may be a penniless college student but you wouldn't be the first PCS who's organized a grant or a community cooperative to do something worthwhile. And do try "discussing" before you jump into "confronting", please. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Trainer of Trainers, Creative Conflict Resolution Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living, Corning NY Moving in March to Our Farm CSA, Whidbey Island WA http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Dec 4 12:37:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05954 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26694 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16515; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:24:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16401 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:22:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 04 Dec 97 12:21:40 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:01:15 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tactics to introduce CSA References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 230 Thank you to everyone who has given me advice and responding so quickly. Thanks again. Jonathan Layburn From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Dec 4 18:07:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15635 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10228 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13012; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:03:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12966 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:02:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from i22.dialup.seanet.com (i22.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.128.22]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.5/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22574; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712042302.PAA22574@mx.seanet.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Annalee Cobbett To: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tactics to introduce CSA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: coban@pop.seanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 231 With a lot of elbow grease and organizing of the local neighbors, you might be able to raise enough money to put the remaining land in a land trust and preserve it in perpetuity. Now that Mr. Farmer has cashed in at least part of his property and gotten some retirement money out, he can invest that and have his neighbors (with some help from local govt, evironmental groups and grants) buy out the rest of the land for their own "open space" and community garden. There are many innovative mechanisms to accomplish this, including land trusts, purchase of development rights, and conservation easements. For more info, contact the American Farmland Trust at: www.farmland.org. Annalee Cobbett FarmCity Alliance 206-626-0266 Seattle, WA At 11:41 PM 12/3/97 -0500, you wrote: > I have been having some difficulty trying to think of the best way to >confront a local farmer to experiment 1-2 acres of his land to >establish an organic CSA farming area. > The farmer recently sold 12 acres to a house developer and I am deeply >concerned that he may sell more property. His farm is boxed in by 3 >surrounding neighborhoods that would support the farm for the future, >greatly benefit from the open space of the farm, and develop a strong >link between the community. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > >Jonathan Layburn >University of Maine at Orono student > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Dec 5 10:17:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09205 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17018 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28718; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:15:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.18]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28646 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:14:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from ccshst01 (ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.14]) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA27136; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:08 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Robert J Olajos To: csa-l@prairienet.org, serf-net@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU, agric-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU, sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu, ag-impact@mtn.org Cc: Brenda Doner Subject: CUSO jobs in sust. ag. (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: rolajos@ccshst01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 232 Apolgies for cross postings Bob Olajos rolajos@uoguelph.ca www.uoguelph.ca/~rolajos ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:01:11 -0500 (EST) CUSO JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN SE ASIA - DEC/97 SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND FOOD Please post and circulate. Thank you for your help. JOB TITLES Community Shared Agriculture Advisors -Thailand and Indonesia (t.b.c.) Plant Protection Officer/Pest Management Officer - Thailand Irrigation/Rural Development Advisor - Lao PDR Agronomist - Lao PDR PLACEMENT DATE: March 1998 or later QUALIFICATIONS: Please see position summaries below. DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS: Dec 19, 1998 (N.B. the CUSO Guelph office will be closed from Dec. 19 to Jan. 2/98) CUSO is a non profit organization that works for social justice around the world. We offer 2-year contracts to Canadian citizens or landed immigrants with at least 2 years relevant work experience. Salaries are sufficient to cover modest expenses, and airfare, orientation, language training, infield support and benefits are provided by CUSO, plus $9200 in cash paid in Canada over 2 years. Opportunities for families with children are limited. TO APPLY: send a detailed resume and a cover letter saying why you are interested in the position to Brenda Doner, CUSO Guelph, 123 Woolwich Street, Guelph, Ontario N1H 3P8 tel; 519-767-2854, fax: 519-822-7089 email:cusoguel@web.net or contact the CUSO office nearest you. POSITION SUMMARIES COMMUNITY SHARED AGRICULTURE ADVISORS - THAILAND and INDONESIA (to be confirmed) Summary: To provide farmers, farmers' organizations, agriculture and consumer groups with an understanding of the concepts and practices of community shared agriculture (CSA), with a view to implementation, including workshops and follow-up. CSA is a marketing system that encourages environmentally safe and socially equitable agriculture under the control of small farmers and consumers. Qualifications: Experience in CSA, preferably as a producer. Experience in workshop organization, training, etc. PLANT PROTECTION OFFICER - PRACHINBURI, THAILAND Summary: Work with the plant protection section of the Department of Agricultural Extension in researching, testing and extending alternative pest control methods that are safe for the environment, the producer and the consumer, that are economically feasible, and that are as far as possible under the farmers' control. This work focuses mostly on fruit (durian, mango, sandorica, jackfruit, etc.) and rice, though there is also opportunity for work in vegetables. Qualifications:B.Sc. in Entomology or Plant Pathology or related field. 2 years work experience in agriculture, including plant protection. AGRICULTURALIST/PEST MANAGEMENT OFFICER - CHANTHABURI, THAILAND Summary: Assist in identifying pest problems (including insects and disease), in conducting research on these problems, especially on alternatives to the use of synthetic pesticides, in advising farmers on these alternatives and in training extension agents. This shall include visits to farmers' orchards and fields and laboratory work. Qualifications: M.Sc or B.Sc in Agriculture, specializing in pest management, including some diagnosis and laboratory experience. At least 2 years experience, preferably with tropical agriculture. IRRIGATION/RURAL DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR - VIENTIANE, LAO PDR Summary: To incorporate rural development into the bachelor level curriculum for the Department of Irrigation and Engineering within the Lao PDR National University, to strengthen the capacity of college staff in teaching and training, as well as coordination and cooperation with outside development agencies and nongovernmental organizations. Qualifications: 2 years experience in irrigation or a related field. Candidates with a strong background in rural development will also be considered. Teaching or training experience beneficial, as well as experience working and living overseas. AGRONOMIST - SAVANNAKHET, LAO PDR Summary: To promote techniques of sustainable agriculture and develop the institutional strength of the newly formed Sustainable Agriculture and Rural Development Training Centre, including research, training and collecting field data. Qualifications: Bachelors degree and at least 3 years experience in agriculture or a related field. Teaching or training experience and experience working and living overseas desirable. Can't go overseas? Get involved with our volunteer and education activities in Canada. For more information about these and other opportunities in community development, natural resources, small business and sustainable development, contact Brenda Doner, CUSO Guelph, 123 Woolwich Street, Guelph, Ontario N1H 3P8 tel; 519-767-2854, fax: 519-822-7089 email:cusoguel@web.net or contact the CUSO office nearest you. Brenda Doner, CUSO Guelph, 123 Woolwich Street, Guelph, Ontario N1H 3V1 tel:519-767-2854 fax:519-822-7089 email:cusoguel@web.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Dec 5 18:43:03 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23933 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29117 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06258; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:37:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (mrin38.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.148]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06149 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:35:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA04201; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:35:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971205183507_1611197917@mrin38.mx> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:35:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: coban@seanet.com, Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tactics to introduce CSA X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 233 Dear Jonathan, Urban encroachment is a major problem to famers. Please remember that most farmers love their land as an extension of their own bodies. The decision to sell a piece for financial security as one ages and your kids have no interest in farming, is a difficult one. Complaints by new non-farming neighbors about noise, time of operations, dust and smells can push that decision closer. In an occupation where your land and livelihood are at risk on a year-to-year basis from both Mother Nature and your own physical health, the ability to set money aside for the time your body will no longer allow you to farm is nil to minimal. Please don't look upon this person as an opportunist. The fact s/he is surrounded by new neighborhoods proves exactly the opposite - this guy is the last hold-out. Also, please look inside yourself, and have the discussion with others, to assess your views on open space, habitat, water quality etc. These are things we must all, as a society, value enough to protect. It is not the "job" of the last remaining farmers within an urbanizing area to be everybody else's park and wildlife protection area. I'm willing to bet that some of those new, non-farn ming neighbors would rather have a sustainably managed farm over their back fence than another housing tract. They may be a source of funding to buy the development rights to the remaining land. The local goverment entity, may be feeling some heat in preserving open/agricultural space. My approach to the farmer would be from the point of concern. Concern that s/he be able to continue to farm as long as they desire and are able. Concern they not be pushed off the land they love and have cared for. Concern that they remain in a community, albeit changing, that they helped to build by their participation in churches, governments, local trade etc. Concern that the art of farming they have practiced so long (possibly generations) be passed on to, and appreciated by, a new generation. If you can sharecrop or lease outright some land you may be able to discuss all these things with your landlord as s/he gets to know you. If these folks are open to it, you may want to start a community group to explore buying the development rights to the land and providing a living trust to enable the farmers to live out their lives in their home. Annabelle's suggestion of American Farmland Trust is a good one. They work on these issues all the time. Also, they just helped a CSA in California develop a funding mechanism where by the farmers can gain some equity in the land they have been farming and the CSA can hold the development rights so the land will always be farmed. Another good model for what you are proposing is Fairview Gardens in Goleta, CA. If you are unfamiliar with the name, the farm manager is Michael Abelman, author of From the Good Earth. Fairview is the remaining 12 acres of a 100 year old farm surrounded by houses and condos. They farm sustainably organically the orchards and veggie fields. They have a CSA and farmstand/store and participate in local farmers' markets. They are currently raising the last of the funds to buy the parcel. I believe they started with a lease, then went to a lease/option, then developed a nonprofit group to buy the land and hold it in trust. Good luck, Marcie Rosenzweig Full Circle Organic Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Dec 7 13:32:27 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17249 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28584 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06874; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:21:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04253 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:23:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 6249 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1997 17:19:20 -0000 Received: from ppp33.philly.pil.net (HELO ?207.8.165.137?) (207.8.165.161) by richard2.pil.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1997 17:19:20 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:27:18 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Alix To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: First Post-Greetings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 234 Hello to all. I have just recently discovered this list in the process of doing some research for a small foundation I am involved with. We are located in the Philadelphia area and are hoping to put some funds into an urban agriculture project. We have funded other types of economic development, both locally and abroad, but this will be our first venture into the world of urban farming. I would love to hear from anyone with experience in starting up a city farming enterprise. Or anyone interested in participating in such an effort in Philadelphia. Suggestions? Leads? Thanks very much, Alix Rabin Alix Rabin alix@pil.net Idyll Development Foundation Philadelphia, PA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Dec 8 12:34:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01487 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02300 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05735; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:20:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05625 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:19:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 08 Dec 97 12:19:18 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:14:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: minvase@aol.com, Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 235 Forwarding this from sci.environment folder... The person's email address is minvase@aol.com,NNTP2 Would like to find out more about Community Supported Agriculture. Wish to join group in So. Mn. or possibly start one here. Any info on the subject or experiences of other CSA members would be most helpful. Thanks interestedcitizen From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 9 10:25:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17596 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24784 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17297; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:23:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (mrin39.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.149]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17146 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:21:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA12726 for csa-L@prairienet.org; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971209102120_1882236868@mrin39.mx> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ETrust@aol.com To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: land tenure & financing X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 236 Gaining Ground: How CSAs Can Acquire, Hold, & Pass On Land The Equity Trust is a non-profit organization that provides technical assistance to CSA farmers on issues of land tenure and affordable financing. We have organized three regional "Gaining Ground" workshops in conjunction with other land and farm based groups. The workshops are designed for people interested in starting, maintaining, or expanding a CSA operation, including farmers and members, but pertain to land trusts, farm lenders, and other growers as well. The workshops will also be helpful for farmers concerned about preserving their land for future generations. The workshop dates and location are: January 17 -18 San Francisco, CA February 7-8 Voluntown, CT February 14-15 Ithaca, NY If you would like more information about the Gaining Ground workshops, call Equity Trust at (860) 376-6174. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 9 10:25:47 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17594 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24773 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17196; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:22:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (mrin54.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.164]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17147 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:21:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA08492; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:21:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971209102121_750527684@mrin54.mx> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:21:22 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ETrust@aol.com To: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu, csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Tactics to introduce CSA X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 237 Jonathan, The Equity Trust is a non-profit organization that provides technical assistance to CSA's on issues of land tenure and affordable financing. We worked with Live Power Community Farm in Covelo, CA to set up an innovative conservation easement which made the land more affordable to the farmers. Unlike traditional conservation agreements, the easement they designed requires continuing agricultural use of the land by resident farmers, using sustainable farming methods, and limits future transfer costs to the appraised agricultural value. We also worked with Michael Ableman of Fairview Gardens (another email respondent had mentioned his name). We provided technical assistance and a bridge loan to help him purchase an easement and option. We can provide limited financing, but focus more on helping farmers work with other lenders and their community to generate the necessary capital. We have an upcoming workshop called "Gaining Ground" in eastern Connecticut on February 7-8 where we'll discuss these issues. Give us a call at (860) 376-6174 to talk in more detail. Kevin Kilb Equity Trust From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Dec 10 11:58:55 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21311 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16294 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19225; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:53:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from Delta.capital.net (root@Omega.Capital.NET [204.97.168.17]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19062 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:52:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.97.173.229] (Dialup229.518.Capital.NET [204.97.173.229]) by Delta.capital.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26749 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: fojo@capital.net (Francis J. Scheib) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Seeking Interns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: fojo@capital.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 238 Seeking Interns at Roxbury Farm Roxbury Farm is seeking interns who are physically and emotionally fit, have a dedication to agriculture, an ability to live and work in a community setting, and an interest in a mechanized farm operation. We offer on-farm housing, food budget, $300 monthly stipend and Worker's Compensation to three interns for the eight month growing season. Roxbury Farm is a 190 acre biodynamic farm near Hudson,NY, owned and operated by Jean-Paul and Kelly Courtens and Betsy Cashen. We cultivate 25 acres of vegetable crops and distribute through a CSA membership to 550 households. We raise livestock which provide for a portion of our fertility needs and supply meat to our members. The farm also participates in the Collaborative Regional Alliance for Farmer Training (CRAFT), a six month program in which interns visit twelve organic and biodynamic farms in the region. If interested in applying, please contact us at (518) 851-3809, or at 124 Roxbury Road, Hudson, NY 12534. Thank you. Posted by Frank Scheib, Roxbury Farm CSA Core Group Scotia, NY 12302 fojo@capital.net mailto:fojo@capital.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Dec 11 01:37:25 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03549 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03628 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA14016; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:31:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13099 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:16:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.148.209.26] (ppp26.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.26]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21641 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:16:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:18:33 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA in Budapest Requests info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id AAA13100 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 239 >Dear John Barclay > >I'm glad to discover from an the Biodynamics Association of America's >internet site that there is a mailing list for CSA groups. I gues this is >mainly for and used by CSA groups in N.America, but I don't know of any >equivalent for Europe, so please could I subscribe to your list and see what >you're up to. > >I have been involved in the past as a grower for a couple of different CSA >groups in Britain, but for the past 2 years I have been living in Hungary, >and not so involved in CSA groups for the last 3 or 4 years. > >We are just starting to consider setting up a CSA/local food links project >here in Gödöllõ, a Hungarian town about 25 miles east of Budapest. I am >particularly interested in promotional material on CSA schemes (we could >make any necessary translation from English into Hungarian), to help get >something started here. > >CSA marketing is pretty novel to Hungary (in fact the home market for any >kind of organic produce is quite tiny, although organic/b-d production is >growing for the export market). I have only heard of one other scheme, and >this is only a small one. We also plan to only start small - perhaps around >40 weekly boxes at the start. > >Anyhow, I look forward to joining your discussion group and making contacts >with CSA activity where you are. > >Greetings >Matthew Hayes >============================================================================= > >Matthew Hayes >Institute of Environmental and Landscape Management >Godollo Agricultural University >H-2103 Godollo >Pater K.u.1. >Hungary >Tel: ++36 28-415 383,or 310 131 ext.1058 >Fax: ++36 28-415 383/310 804 >E-mail: Matthew@nt.ktg.gau.hu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 16 13:04:35 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13799 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26163 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06963; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:03:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu (root@sulu.biostat.washington.edu [128.95.125.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06561 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:57:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from sol by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.7.1/UW-NDC Revision: 2.23 id JAA25111; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:57:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:56:35 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Virginia Petrie To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: NEW USDA RULES FOR ORGANIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: virginia@sol X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 240 How are the new rules going to affect the small family farm? Will they create more red tape and expense for those small farms who want to be certified organic? (I have read in Organic Gardening magazine that the law exempts growers selling less than $5,000 per year from the certification requirements.) ******************************************************************************* Virginia Petrie P.O. Box 384 Duvall, WA 98019 206-685-9176 - Work ******************************************************************************* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 16 13:47:32 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14813 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09779 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10172; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:46:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.176]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10060 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:45:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6c44bed1.3496cb7c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:41:58 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Unexpected Wealth of CSA operation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 241 I have just finished the 3rd Season as a CSA. Last summer one of my families brought me a story their 5 year old daughter Claire had "written." (Claire dicated and her dad typed) This is a family well versed in fairie tales. I was honored to be one of the charaters in the story. The magic hardly just begins with a clapping of hands before they find themselves at the farm, where they jump on the backs of great cows and horses (which I don't actually have) "Off for the cornfield! screamed Clare. They zoomed to the cornfield. "Cornfield! shouted Clare. Soon they were among the great golden spikes of corn, eating and picking. Tatiana and Helen picked the most ripest bits of corn. Clare and Alex even gave Richard a strong knife which could cut any strong weed which was on his farm bothering him. The handle was mother-of-pearl and the blade was real gold. Richard led them to his farm kitchen and gave them enough food and vegetables to last the through their whole journey through the hole. There were grapes and corn and all the kinds of food he grew on his farm. Clare thanked him and after kissing him good-bye, they gave him many farewells. Then they went on their journey through the hole." I was honored that the farm was their first stop, and relieved that I did not accompany them. (I am pretty much a stay at home kinda guy.) Their adventures run for chapters, and still growing, as reported by their parents. I doubt that many commercial farmers ever recieved such a magnificent mother- of-pearl & gold knife, even in their wildest imaginings. I declare it here as part of a great pile of wealth available to those lucky farmers who grow food that will be eaten by people they know. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Dec 17 17:10:45 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00901 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14861 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11533; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:47:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09889 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:30:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 17 Dec 97 16:29:52 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:25:23 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: billysun@wildrockies.org, Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: organic fiasco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 242 >> >>>US Plans to Define Bio-Engineered Foods as 'Organic' >>> >>>Since 1990, organic food sales have jumped 20 percent annually, >reaching >>>$3.3 billion in 1996, and are projected to grow to $6.5 billion by the >>>year 2000. Organic cropland has more than doubled since 1991, and >organic >>>dairy sales are increasing by more than 100 percent a year. >>> >>>Currently, a "certified organic" label indicates that the farming >methods >>>employed were verified by one of approximately 40 private or state >>>certification programs. Genetically engineered foods cannot be >labeled as >>>"organic." >>> >>>Consumers generally define organic foods as those produced naturally, >>>without toxic chemicals, drugs or factory-farm techniques. But how >>>millions of US consumers define "organic" will soon become a moot >point >>>because the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) is about to create its >>>own definition of "organic." >>> >>>"This is the institutionalizing of the word 'organic' by the >government, >>>and we should pay close attention," says Michael Sligh, director of >the >>>Sustainable Agriculture Program at the Rural Advancement Foundation >>>INternational. Sligh is also former chairman of the National Organics >>>Standards Board (NOSB), a committee established by Congress to advise >the >>>USDA on organic standards and labeling practices. >>> >>>Despite the NOSB's recommendation to maintain strict organic >standards, >>>Washington sources report that the USDA intends to disregard the >NOSB's >>>explicit ban on genetically engineered food and intensive confinement >of >>>farm animals. >>> >>>The USDA also is expected to make it illegal for regional or >nongovernmental >>>organic certification bodies to uphold standards stricter than federal >>>standards. If such a rule were approved, the legal hammer of the World >>>Trade Organization (WTO) could be used to force European and other >>>nations to lower their organic standards as well. >>> >>>The Codex Alimentarius, the WTO's official rule-making body for >>>international trade issues related to food, has already held a series >of >>>meetings to define the term "organic." The US delegation and the >biotech >>>industry have lobbied the body for weaker international standards. >>> >>>Central to defining the word "organic" is to admit that a host of >>>agribusiness practices-including pesticide use, animal confinement, >>>hormone injection and genetic engineering- are somehow less healthy. >But >>>the USDA and the Food and Drug Administration have been staunch >defenders >>>of genetically engineered foods and high-chemical-input agriculture. >Both >>>agencies have actively opposed labeling genetically engineered foods, >>>despite a February 1997 poll by biotech giant Novartis that found 93 >>>percent of US consumers wanted mandatory labeling of such products. >>> >>>In 1997, a wide variety of genetically engineered foods will be >placed, >>>unlabeled, on supermarket shelves. Thousands of products-including >nearly >>>all non-organic processed foods-will soon include some genetically >>>engineered ingredients. Two dozen biotech foods and crops have already >>>been approved for use in the US, and millions of acres of biotech >crops >>>will be harvested this fall. >>> >>>The proposed federal regulations would allow the NOSB to evaluate >>>individual genetically engineered products on a case-by-case basis. >Those >>>approved would be passed on to the USDA, which would make the final >decision. >>> >>>But NOSB members are appointed by and subject to the authority of USDA >>>officials. USDA Secretary Dan Glickman is a vocal supporter of genetic >>>engineering as well as factory farming. >>> >>>"We must fight against an 'unfriendly takeover' of the organic food >movement >>>by Monsanto and the giant food cartels," says Ben Lilliston of the >>>Environmental Education Group. "We must not allow the destruction of >>>organic standards by Washington bureaucrats and Corporate America." >>> >>>Every food co-op, natural food store, buying club and organic farm >must >>>become a center for activism-mobilizing members, workers and >customers to >>>send letters, faxes, emails and phone calls to elected officials. >Unless >>>the USDA and Washington feel the heat, they could destroy a vital >>>alternative food system that has been laboriously built up over the >last >>>30 years. >>> >>>-Ronnie Cummins/Pure Food Campaign >>> >>>WHAT YOU CAN DO: Contact the Pure Food Campaign, 1130 17th St. NW, no. >>>300, Washington, DC 20036 (202) 775-1132, fax (202) 775-0074, >>>www.geocities.com/athens/1527 >> >>*********************************************************************** >******* >>Emily Miggins, Director ReThink Paper a project of Earth Island >Institute >> >> 300 Broadway, STE 28 San Francisco, California 94133 >> Phone 415 788 3666 x 132 Facsimile 788 7324 email >rtp@earthisland.org >> surf http://www.earthisland.org pager 888 >554 2165 >> >> ...the cyber fiber broker >>*********************************************************************** >******* >> Billy Stern PO Box 8251 Native Forest Network Missoula, MT 59807 PH (406) 542-7343 FX (406) 542-7347 Billysun@wildrockies.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Dec 17 19:12:38 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06232 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11769 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22803; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:11:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@[199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22759 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:11:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06119 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:11:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712180011.TAA06119@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:07:00 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: organic fiasco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 243 Hate to say it, but this is very old news to those of us who've been in the trenches for lo these many years. All the confusion and hype around "organic" is why I operate a CSA, have dedicated my life and my small personal fortune to developing and nurturing CSAs, and encourage fellow confused and hyped souls to not only join CSAs but get intimately involved with them. Know your farmer. When the chips are down and the unsustainable agricultural and food distribution system falls apart, farmers will reveal their humanity by taking care of the people who took care of them. Don't rely on the Government or even the Land Grant Universities to define what's "safe" or "healthy". Let's face it, the most ethical LGUs get billions of dollars for research from the chemical companies and maybe $50,000 from places like SARE. Guess where their loyalties reside? I learned how to grow food without artificial chemicals as a personal survival issue -- cancer, collapsed immune system, and multiple chemical sensitivities. Now in remission and nearly full recovery from all, thanks to great good fortune and lots of hard work. I hope others can elect to do the same without the motivations it took to get me moving. But I sure don't fault them if they haven't moved yet when their motivations aren't at least as strong! My point is, we each have to find our own way. Many times there is no one answer or treatment. That's part of the beauty of CSAs, each one can develop to meet the specific needs of its farmers and members. I actually think that a centralized codified set of definitions and rules is not a bad thing, it's about time some of us got out of the habit of calling that overgrown mess of out-of-control weeds "a natural cover crop". At the same time, I'm saddened to know that such a monster is needed. I wish everybody who eats would just get their food from somebody they've taken the time and trouble to bother to get to know, so they have an idea about their practices and philosophies and ethics. Wouldn't that be a different paradigm? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Dec 30 13:34:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14020 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25535 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18482; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:32:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin52.mail.aol.com (mrin52.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.162]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18235 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:28:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA23058; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971230131731_1977286885@mrin52> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:17:32 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: EWerb@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Don't Panic - Save Organic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.12245.mrin52.883505851" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 244 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.12245.mrin52.883505851 Content-ID: <0_12245_883505851@mrin52.381> Content-type: text/plain (text file also attached) what's the deal with the new usda organic regulations? read on, forwarded comments from Steve Gilman, about what steps to take next... apologies for the inevitable cross posts _Don't Panic - Save Organic_ by Steve Gilman The following is my personal response, somewhat starkly put, to recent E mail positions by Steve Sprinkel _The Mouse That Roared_, Mark Lipson -- _The Rule Blues_, and Eric Kindberg's response to Rule Blues as well as phone conversations with Elizabeth Henderson of the Campaign for Sustainable Agriculture and articles in the national press. Since NOFA will be playing a role in the upcoming retreat for the Northeast Interstate Certification Committee I think it is important to get some talking points and other contributions on the table from Interstate Council members and others for discussion purposes. 1. By now, it is well evident that USDA's National Organic Program (NOP) Rules bear little resemblance to the original 1990 Organic Food Production Act (OFPA) and are insidiously cynical at best -- and fraudulently illegal at worst. It is completely disingenuous and manipulative for USDA, at this point, to put up the questions of allowing genetically modified organisms (GMO'S), food irradiation, sludge, use of synthetics, inerts, antibiotics and confinement operations in livestock, etc., etc., etc. to the public for comment. This is a no-brainer -- not by any stretch are these Organic practices as defined by the country's (and the World's) existing certification programs, the OFPA or the years of work by the National Organic Standards Board (NOSB) that was legally constituted to work out the definitions of acceptable practices, procedures and products. 2. We've all known that this day would finally come, while all along the release date of the NOP rules has been a running sick joke -- they were originally due by October, 1993. Despite all the countless, good faith hours and deeply considered input contributed by a lot of dedicated organic supporters across the country -- THIS is all that USDA could come up with! The good news is that in the process our _Industry_ has tackled most of the hard questions that have divided us organic farmers, handlers, processors, advocates and consumers, etc. through the NOSB process and, in fact,we have already all taken a series of collective giant steps together. It might not be too difficult at this point to put together an overall, private, industry-based National Organic Program of our own. 3. In terms of what action we should take next, the appropriate working analogy is what happened to the proposed changes to the _Made in the USA_ legislation in early December. There, various industrial interests tried to get the Federal Trade Commission to change their rules to allow a greater percentage of foreign manufactured materials in American-made goods that would still qualify for the federal _Made in the USA_ logo/label. The ensuing stink was swift, sure and deafening from a large, previously unlikely coalition of (U.S.) Businesses and Labor Unions and the measure was shot down completely and definitively. 4. It is incumbent on us all to now marshal as much vast public and media support as possible and raise a Huge Stink of our own -- or _Organic_ as any kind of a meaningful term/label will go down the tubes forever, and another notch will get carved on the gun butt of Big Food. This time also presents a huge opportunity -- the world is watching, many people care and alot of others may be brought into the organic fold when they see it -- and their freedom to choose via a trustworthy label -- being victimized and trashed by Agribusiness and their Governmental minions. At this point, given the total insincerity of the NOP rule makers and their bosses, its hard to see how we can possibly hope to salvage these Rules and convert them to Real Organic. The same process which produced what we got now will most likely not be ABLE to do any differently if and when the process is allowed to proceed to fruition. It also will be next to impossible to rally support in the hopes of fixing something so completely flawed -- from our own farmers and supporters as well as a thoroughly confused public. No, these Rules must be completely rejected NOW. 5. This has to be done with complete responsibly. The public should understand that they are already well protected through the existing certification programs. The media has already built up tremendous public expectations based solely on the legitimacy of a USDA label -- the public has to be told loud and clear what the USDA has done/is doing to the definition of Organic and the public's freedom of choice. Having some additional Big Issues -- such as USDA's continuing discrimination against organic and lack of research, programs, staff support,etc. is all demonstrable. It never hurts to have a national forum to passionately state our case. 6. It is important to realize the position everyone is in. This comes at a time when the Clinton Administration is vastly increasing funding for new _safe food_ protections and USDA is beginning a major campaign to win the hearts and minds of the public to the benefits and glories of bio and other food technologies -- based on True Science -- while forcing open the doors of foreign trade to our GMO exports. Agribusiness doesn't want any labeling of anything, period (a la Bst in milk). The Nuclear industry is looking for a place to dump its cobalt (irradiation in the name of food safety) and the Waste industry its sludge. And in the middle of everything here comes the Organic label up for grabs, literally. Secretary Glickman, a longtime friend of Biotech, talks the old line that organic can't be officially considered better, safer, etc. than anything else -- but the mere presence of organic, so rapidly rising in the marketplace due to huge, widespread consumer demand, is threatening in itself. Meanwhile, Agribusiness is famous for giving huge and regular campaign contributions to Republicans and Democrats alike and USDA officials themselves have been known to be treated kindly -- the system is systematically corrupted. Since the 6, 7, 8 and 9 figure incomes of Corporate managers and executives as well as stock values, etc. are contingent on agribusiness as usual -- well, you do what you know how to do.... its just business. The Government R US, however -- its up to us citizens to reclaim it! 7. Therefore what we need is a National Campaign to Save Organic, or somesuch. An energetic combination of national, local and grass roots initiatives is necessary to defend Organic. A good case in point, albeit on a smaller scale, is the action over the Summer of 1997 conducted by NOFA-MA against Baystate Organics, a Boston sludge processor. The purpose of the action was to get them to change their name and stop labeling their fertilizer products as _organic_. A well organized, concerted campaign with letter writing, media alerts, legislative lobbying and on-site public protests proved ultimately to be very successful. In the process, a lot of people were educated about organic and NOFA-MA gained a number of valuable new members and supporters. 8. Our diverse organic groups across the country should individually and collectively petition Senator Leahy to conduct an immediate Congressional investigation of this whole mess. There may also be some additional recourse through the Courts -- which should also be vigorously pursued. Currently, for example, NOFA has joined with over 30 other farming, environmental and advocacy groups under the auspices of Greenpeace's legal department to petition/sue EPA to stop the field release of transgenic Bt in order to prevent sure and immediate pest resistance to this important biopesticide which has been in wide scale use by conventional and organic farmers alike for 40 years now. Part of the legal case is based on the fact that EPA has violated its own rules in its own processes. In addition, we need professional expertise to go over the legality/illegality of USDA's NOP Rules action. Not only has our Industry lost valuable time -- and suffered major economic losses due to the extreme lateness of this Rule, but also we are now back at square one. To quote Secretary Glickman at USDA's Rules Press Conference, _One, unified standard could clear the path and unleash even stronger growth in the organic industry. National standards would clear a similar hurdle on the international front. ...Greater income for small farmers and ranchers, stronger exports, one high consistent standard for consumers -- clearly we have a lot to gain from this rule._ In addition, the propose they d Rules place extreme fee barriers on the certifying agents which stand to drive many out of business and automatically disqualify a lot of small farmers who can't ante up in USDA's high price game. 9. Finally, as an Organic vegetable farmer I've been dealing with some of the same restaurants in our area for some 22 years now, as well as a CSA since 1990 and if _Organic_ gets trashed and co-opted I'll get by fine on my own earned reputation and I know many other farmers are in this position. I'm not about to let _Organic_ go however. There's alot of good people out there who have a true interest in rejecting such a perpetuated fraud. Any co-opted USDA label would quickly become a laughing stock and a national _Real Organic_ label could quickly capture the marketplace... The truth is that we've all bargained in good faith and actually have alot to show for it -- the OFPA and the NOSB process still stand as a valid agreed-upon basis for Organic. USDA is still legally bound to comply with its mandates. If it takes them another 7 years or more to try and put something out again, so be it -- its time now that our national Certification groups rounded up the wagons anyway -- the public deserves and is demanding an overall label that certifies the certification programs and such an industry label could become as important and legitimate in the marketplace as any USDA one, even more so. From the larger perspective, we've really struck the raw nerve at the heart of today's overblown and declining industrial food system -- just by the nature of our being. More and more they're having to resort to extreme, desperate and dangerous mega-technological fixes (like irradiating our food) just to stay in the same place. So -- here's this titanically huge agribiz/governmental entity that has just run into the smallish-appearing tip of a what is really an incredibly large iceberg... Steve Gilman NOFA Interstate Council Ruckytucks Farm 130 Ruckytucks Road Stillwater, NY 12170 sgilman@netheaven.com --PART.BOUNDARY.0.12245.mrin52.883505851 Content-ID: <0_12245_883505851@mrin52.382> Content-type: text/plain; name="Don't Panic - Save Organic" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't Panic -- Save Organic by Steve Gilman The following is my personal response, somewhat starkly put, to recent E = mail positions by Steve Sprinkel _The Mouse That Roared_, Mark Lipson --= _The Rule Blues_, and Eric Kindberg's response to Rule Blues as well as = phone conversations with Elizabeth Henderson of the Campaign for Sustaina= ble Agriculture and articles in the national press. Since NOFA will be pl= aying a role in the upcoming retreat for the Northeast Interstate Certifi= cation Committee I think it is important to get some talking points and o= ther contributions on the table from Interstate Council members and other= s for discussion purposes. 1. By now, it is well evident that USDA's National Organic Program (NOP) = Rules bear little resemblance to the original 1990 Organic Food Productio= n Act (OFPA) and are insidiously cynical at best -- and fraudulently ille= gal at worst. It is completely disingenuous and manipulative for USDA, at= this point, to put up the questions of allowing genetically modified org= anisms (GMO'S), food irradiation, sludge, use of synthetics, inerts, anti= biotics and confinement operations in livestock, etc., etc., etc. to the = public for comment. This is a no-brainer -- not by any stretch are these = Organic practices as defined by the country's (and the World's) existing = certification programs, the OFPA or the years of work by the National Org= anic Standards Board (NOSB) that was legally constituted to work out the = definitions of acceptable practices, procedures and products. 2. We've all known that this day would finally come, while all along the = release date of the NOP rules has been a running sick joke -- they were o= riginally due by October, 1993. Despite all the countless, good faith hou= rs and deeply considered input contributed by a lot of dedicated organic = supporters across the country -- THIS is all that USDA could come up with= ! = The good news is that in the process our _Industry_ has tackled most of t= he hard questions that have divided us organic farmers, handlers, process= ors, advocates and consumers, etc. through the NOSB process and, in fact,= we have already all taken a series of collective giant steps together. It= might not be too difficult at this point to put together an overall, pri= vate, industry-based National Organic Program of our own. 3. In terms of what action we should take next, the appropriate working a= nalogy is what happened to the proposed changes to the _Made in the USA_ = legislation in early December. There, various industrial interests tried = to get the Federal Trade Commission to change their rules to allow a grea= ter percentage of foreign manufactured materials in American-made goods t= hat would still qualify for the federal _Made in the USA_ logo/label. The= ensuing stink was swift, sure and deafening from a large, previously unl= ikely coalition of (U.S.) Businesses and Labor Unions and the measure was= shot down completely and definitively. = 4. It is incumbent on us all to now marshal as much vast public and media= support as possible and raise a Huge Stink of our own -- or _Organic_ as= any kind of a meaningful term/label will go down the tubes forever, and = another notch will get carved on the gun butt of Big Food. This time also= presents a huge opportunity -- the world is watching, many people care a= nd alot of others may be brought into the organic fold when they see it -= - and their freedom to choose via a trustworthy label -- being victimized= and trashed by Agribusiness and their Governmental minions. At this poi= nt, given the total insincerity of the NOP rule makers and their bosses, = its hard to see how we can possibly hope to salvage these Rules and conve= rt them to Real Organic. The same process which produced what we got now = will most likely not be ABLE to do any differently if and when the proces= s is allowed to proceed to fruition. It also will be next to impossible t= o rally support in the hopes of fixing something so completely flawed -- = from our own farmers and supporters as well as a thoroughly confused publ= ic. No, these Rules must be completely rejected NOW. 5. This has to be done with complete responsibly. The public should under= stand that they are already well protected through the existing certifica= tion programs. The media has already built up tremendous public expectati= ons based solely on the legitimacy of a USDA label -- the public has to b= e told loud and clear what the USDA has done/is doing to the definition o= f Organic and the public's freedom of choice. Having some additional Big= Issues -- such as USDA's continuing discrimination against organic and l= ack of research, programs, staff support,etc. is all demonstrable. It nev= er hurts to have a national forum to passionately state our case. 6. It is important to realize the position everyone is in. This comes at = a time when the Clinton Administration is vastly increasing funding for n= ew _safe food_ protections and USDA is beginning a major campaign to win = the hearts and minds of the public to the benefits and glories of bio and= other food technologies -- based on True Science -- while forcing open t= he doors of foreign trade to our GMO exports. Agribusiness doesn't want a= ny labeling of anything, period (a la Bst in milk). The Nuclear industry = is looking for a place to dump its cobalt (irradiation in the name of fo= od safety) and the Waste industry its sludge. And in the middle of everyt= hing here comes the Organic label up for grabs, literally. Secretary Gli= ckman, a longtime friend of Biotech, talks the old line that organic can'= t be officially considered better, safer, etc. than anything else -- but = the mere presence of organic, so rapidly rising in the marketplace due to= huge, widespread consumer demand, is threatening in itself. Meanwhile, A= gribusiness is famous for giving huge and regular campaign contributions = to Republicans and Democrats alike and USDA officials themselves have bee= n known to be treated kindly -- the system is systematically corrupted. S= ince the 6, 7, 8 and 9 figure incomes of Corporate managers and executive= s as well as stock values, etc. are contingent on agribusiness as usual -= - well, you do what you know how to do.... its just business. The Governm= ent R US, however -- its up to us citizens to reclaim it! = 7. Therefore what we need is a National Campaign to Save Organic, or some= such. An energetic combination of national, local and grass roots initiat= ives is necessary to defend Organic. A good case in point, albeit on a sm= aller scale, is the action over the Summer of 1997 conducted by NOFA-MA a= gainst Baystate Organics, a Boston sludge processor. The purpose of the a= ction was to get them to change their name and stop labeling their fertil= izer products as _organic_. A well organized, concerted campaign with le= tter writing, media alerts, legislative lobbying and on-site public prote= sts proved ultimately to be very successful. In the process, a lot of peo= ple were educated about organic and NOFA-MA gained a number of valuable n= ew members and supporters. 8. Our diverse organic groups across the country should individually and = collectively petition Senator Leahy to conduct an immediate Congressional= investigation of this whole mess. There may also be some additional reco= urse through the Courts -- which should also be vigorously pursued. Curre= ntly, for example, NOFA has joined with over 30 other farming, environmen= tal and advocacy groups under the auspices of Greenpeace's legal departme= nt to petition/sue EPA to stop the field release of transgenic Bt in orde= r to prevent sure and immediate pest resistance to this important biopest= icide which has been in wide scale use by conventional and organic farmer= s alike for 40 years now. Part of the legal case is based on the fact tha= t EPA has violated its own rules in its own processes. In addition, we ne= ed professional expertise to go over the legality/illegality of USDA's NO= P Rules action. Not only has our Industry lost valuable time -- and suffe= red major economic losses due to the extreme lateness of this Rule, but a= lso we are now back at square one. To quote Secretary Glickman at USDA's= Rules Press Conference, _One, unified standard could clear the path and = unleash even stronger growth in the organic industry. National standards = would clear a similar hurdle on the international front. ...Greater incom= e for small farmers and ranchers, stronger exports, one high consistent s= tandard for consumers -- clearly we have a lot to gain from this rule._ I= n addition, the propose they d Rules place extreme fee barriers on the ce= rtifying agents which stand to drive many out of business and automatical= ly disqualify a lot of small farmers who can't ante up in USDA's high pri= ce game. = 9. Finally, as an Organic vegetable farmer I've been dealing with some of= the same restaurants in our area for some 22 years now, as well as a CSA= since 1990 and if _Organic_ gets trashed and co-opted I'll get by fine o= n my own earned reputation and I know many other farmers are in this posi= tion. I'm not about to let _Organic_ go however. There's alot of good peo= ple out there who have a true interest in rejecting such a perpetuated fr= aud. Any co-opted USDA label would quickly become a laughing stock and a = national _Real Organic_ label could quickly capture the marketplace... Th= e truth is that we've all bargained in good faith and actually have alot = to show for it -- the OFPA and the NOSB process still stand as a valid ag= reed-upon basis for Organic. USDA is still legally bound to comply with i= ts mandates. If it takes them another 7 years or more to try and put some= thing out again, so be it -- its time now that our national Certification= groups rounded up the wagons anyway -- the public deserves and is demand= ing an overall label that certifies the certification programs and such a= n industry label could become as important and legitimate in the marketpl= ace as any USDA one, even more so. From the larger perspective, we've re= ally struck the raw nerve at the heart of today's overblown and declining= industrial food system -- just by the nature of our being. More and more= they're having to resort to extreme, desperate and dangerous mega-techno= logical fixes (like irradiating our food) just to stay in the same place.= So -- here's this titanically huge agribiz/governmental entity that has = just run into the smallish-appearing tip of a what is really an incredibl= y large iceberg... Steve Gilman = NOFA Interstate Council = Ruckytucks Farm = 130 Ruckytucks Road Stillwater, NY 12170 = sgilman@netheaven.com --PART.BOUNDARY.0.12245.mrin52.883505851-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jan 3 18:51:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27599 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07727 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24718; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:50:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo06.mx.aol.com (imo06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.86]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24633 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:49:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <70b0937.34aece4c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:48:26 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: KathiSueC To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: looking for farm work... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_883871306_boundary" X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 245 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_883871306_boundary Content-ID: <0_883871306@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable January 3, 1998=0A=0AHello fellow CSA Farmers!=0A=0AI=92m writing to ask = for your assistance. My partner and I are organic farmers=0Awithout a far= m and are therefore looking for work. I have been=0Ateaching/farming at t= he UC Santa Cruz Farm & Garden training program for the=0Alast several ye= ars (small-scale field operations with an emphasis on CSA and=0Aroadside = market stand) and my partner, Greg, has been working for the Sonoma=0AAnt= ique Apple Nursery, responsible for a wide range of agricultural activiti= es=0A(nursery operations; fruit tree care & management; field scale veg c= rops and=0Aflower seed saving; etc.). We have both recently left our posi= tions (3 hours=0Aapart from one another) in an effort to either pursue a = farming position=0Atogether, or, at least, in closer proximity to one ano= ther. Geographically we=0Aare most interested in finding work in the San = Francisco Bay area=0A(Marin/Sonoma/Santa Cruz counties), or, somewhere in= the northeastern US=0A(eastern NY state, MA, VT, RI, CT...we are both fr= om the NY area). 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(coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00658 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07432; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:03:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.166]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07396 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:03:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:59:44 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: KathiSueC To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: looking for farm work... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id RAA07399 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 246 Hello again. My message "looking for farm work..." was posted (translated?) oddly and the attachments (resumes) didn't make it at all. If anyone is in fact interested in learning more about Greg and me, I will send hard copies or try again to email our resumes independently. Thanks again for any assistance you can offer. Kathi ------------------------------------------------------ yesterday's message read: Hello fellow CSA Farmers! I’m writing to ask for your assistance. My partner and I are organic farmers without a farm and are therefore looking for work. I have been teaching/farming at the UC Santa Cruz Farm & Garden training program for the last several years (small-scale field operations with an emphasis on CSA and roadside market stand) and my partner, Greg, has been working for the Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery, responsible for a wide range of agricultural activities (nursery operations; fruit tree care & management; field scale veg crops and flower seed saving; etc.). We have both recently left our positions (3 hours apart from one another) in an effort to either pursue a farming position together, or, at least, in closer proximity to one another. Geographically we are most interested in finding work in the San Francisco Bay area (Marin/Sonoma/Santa Cruz counties), or, somewhere in the northeastern US (eastern NY state, MA, VT, RI, CT...we are both from the NY area). I am enclosing our resumes as attachments if anyone is interested in learning more about us and/or would be willing to pass them along to someone else who may be. Thanks for your time and attention, and any assistance is greatly appreciated! Happy New Year! Kathi Colen p.s. Our resumes are written in ClarisWorks and I'm not sure how they'll open/translate into other word processing programs--hopefully, well. We'd be happy to send out hard copies to anyone interested. Thanks again. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jan 4 23:39:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23718 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22489 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22559; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:38:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22502 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:37:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23658 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29497 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:37:42 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Eco-Ag Situations Wanted 1/98 (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 247 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Support your local organic market farmer, buy products with Sustainably Grown, Natural, Ecological or Biointensive labelling http://sunsite.unc.edu/london/vfm/ VIRTUAL FARMERS' MARKET http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:12:10 -0500 From: BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST To: bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: Eco-Ag Situations Wanted 1/98 ****************************************************************************** ECOLOGICAL FARMING-RELATED SITUATIONS WANTED Jan 1998 - (reproduced from BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century, the Journal of the Biodynamic Assoc. of North America Issue #215). See below for instructions for posting your 'Help Wanted' or 'Position Sought' announcements in the next issue of BIODYNAMICS. ****************************************************************************** GROWER and ASSISTANT GROWER POSITIONS OPEN at The Food Project, a youth development and farming program in Lincoln, MA. Grower and Assistant will plan, implement and supervise organic crop production on 8 acres of farm land in Lincoln and 2 acres of production food lots in inner-city Boston. Past experience in organic farming, education, and/or service work important. Grower Position is full time year round. Assistant Grower position is seasonal, with full time employment April - November. Send cover letter, resume, references to Greg Gale, CO-Director, The Food Project, P.O. Box 705, Lincoln, MA 01773. Foodproj@aol.com *** APPRENTICE POSITIONS at Beneficial Farms CSA, Santa Fe, NM Feb-Nov 1998. We are looking for enthusiastic women or men interested in learning more about biodynamic gardening, the CSA process, and the laying hen business in our unique setting. Do you enjoy physical work? Are you organized, creative, neat, self-reliant, flexible, good-humored/natured, have leadership qualities and work well with others? Mechanical and machine skills, cooking, garden/farm experience? If most apply, call or write! Great shared vegetarian meals, rustic living quarters, weekly planning meetings, wonderful silence, and lots of sunshine in exchange for your hard work and commitment of service. We are seeking Apprentices, visitors and guests who are willing to commit to work for from 1 day to 9 months. (505) 422-2238. *** FARMER-MANAGER WANTED. Laganza Farm is seeking an experienced farmer familiar with organic and preferably bd methods to farm and further develop an existing 20-acre organic orchard and farm beginning 2/98. Housing is available on site, and the farmer will receive a modest stipend plus a share in farm income. An application letter, resume of experience, and at least two references should be mailed to Laganza Farm, P.O. Box 714, Aguanga, CA 92536. For more info call (714) 497-2218. *** INTERNS/APPRENTICES WANTED. Laganza Farm is a CCOF and Demeter organic-certified CSA and demonstration site and field station for the EOS Institute and Permaculture Institute of Southern California.The farm comprises some 1100 trees (more than 20 varieties of apple plus peach, pear, almond and cherry) and several hundred grape vines along with several acres for vegetable gardens. An application letter, resume of experience, and at least two references should be mailed to Laganza Farm, P.O. Box 714, Aguanga, CA 92536. For more info call (714) 497-2218. *** APPRENTICE wanted for 1998 growing season, to help tend a research garden of botanicals used in traditional Chinese medicine. Full-time work, start and end dates flexible. Agricultural and/or perennial gardening experience helpful but not required. Excellent verbal and observational skills,precision and detail orientation necessary. Room, board, stipend and stimulating learning environment provided. Reply in writing to Ms. Jean Giblette, High Falls Gardens, P.O. Box 125, Philmont, NY 12565. No phone calls, please. *** CARETAKER WANTED: Flowers by the Sea is a highly diversified 45 acre farm on the coast of N. California. Esta. at this site last year, the operation has been BD from the start, with uncontaminated and fertile soil, pure water, clean ocean air and a long, mild growing season. The farm is surrounded by forests, creeks and wildlands, yet only a few minutes from services and recreation. Due to family problems, the status of the operation is in flux. Planning for the 1998 growing season is taking place now, with many changes likely to take place. An immediate need exists, which I would like to bring to the attention of the BioDynamic community at large: I am looking for a resident caretaker to assist me in caring for the basic needs of the farm. This is a very flexible position, and could be filled by someone who worked only a few hours a week, or by a person who wished to participate full time. The primary requirement is compatibility with me and the philosophy of the farm, and a genuine caring attitude that shows in their work. The right person could become involved in planning and management of the business, if so desired. A separate living facility with an ocean view is available. The position is available immediately. If you have interest in becoming a part of this beautiful and dynamic operation, please contact me via email, kcarter@fbts.com. Kermit Carter General Manager *** DAIRY INTERN WANTED: Two interns needed for SE WI dairy farm starting 3/1/98. In conjunction with Michaael Fields intern program we offer a hands on learning experience in all aspects of managing a 225 acre BD seasonal grazing operation. We offer room and board plus $400 per month. Contact Walter Moora 2728 Rt 90, Genoa, NY 123071. (315) 364-7067. *** EXPERIENCED GARDENER WANTED for 1998 season (Mar. 1 - Oct. 31) on a DEMETER-certified BD farm on Vancouver island, BC. Approx. 3 acres in vegetables, grapes, fruit and nut trees. The work will incl directing WWOOFers and training of 1 or 2 apprentices. The farm is the center of a larger initiative that also includes a bakery and a store, and it has developed markets for all of its products. There is also potential for further development and expansion. the farm can offer living quarters, board, plus 50% share of crop sales. For the right individual this situation has the potential for long term participation in this established an growing community initiative. For further information contact Christoph or Octavia Altemueller, Phone: (250) 746-4117 FAX (250) 748-4287. *** INTERNS WANTED: Little Seed Gardens is a 7 acres NOFA certified organic farm in Stuyvesant, NY. We offer positions for interns from May through November. The 50-60 hr work week incl. all areas of growing and marketing. We provide housing, stipend ($400 month), some meals, farm produce, workman's comp. and medical insurance. training is provided on farm and through biweekly visits to other Organic farms for study through the CRAFT program (Cooperative Regional Alliance for Farmer Training). Applicants should have their own transportation, the ability and desire to do physically demanding work and good cooperative living skills. We require and interview and farm visit. Contact: Willy Denner/Claudia Kenny, Little Seed Gardens, P.O. Box 158, Stuyvesant, NY 12173. (518) 758-1754 or (518) 828-1570. *** INTERNS WANTED: Roxbury Farm is looking for people who are physically and emotionally fit, with a dedication to agriculture and an interest in a mechanized operation. We offer on-farm housing, food budget, $300 monthly stipend and Worker's comp to 3 interns for the growing season. Roxbury Farm is a 190 acre BD farm near Hudson, NY owned and operated by Jean-Paul and Kelly Courtens and Betsy Cashen. We cultivate 25 acres of vegetable crops and distribute through a CSA membership to 500 households. We raise livestock which provide for a portion of our fertility needs and suppy meat to our members. The farm also participates in the Collaborative Regional Alliance for Farmer Training (CRAFT), a 6 mo. program in which interns visit 12 organic and BD farms in the region. If interested, contact Betsy Cashen or Jean-Paul Courtens at 124 Roxbury Rd., Hudson, NY 12353 or call (518) 851-3809. *** MATURE BD GARDENING COUPLE interested in nutrition, ecology, Biodynamic/organic gardening, in a shared living arrangement, (available in a La Mesa hilltop home) to maintain and produce veggies and fruits (including tropical) for you and homeowner, whole food preparation and house keeping. Offered: Private quarters, small stipend and board plus much free time for your own pursuits. If interested please call Pat at the office between 10 and 3 p.m. M-F, (619) 574-7763 or FAX to (619) 574-1314. *** DEMETER FARM WANTED by German family to spend summer holidays (Summer 1998) Contact: Peter Kroll, Heussweg 18, 25337 Eimshorn, Germany; Telephone +49-4121-78275; email:Peter.Kroll@de.eyi.com. *** VIRTUAL VOLUNTEERS NEEDED for BIODYNAMICS journal projects. Please contact Allan Balliett at biodynamics@biodynamics.com ============================================================================== Public announcments of ecological farming positions vacant, positions sought and offers to sell or buy appropriate land or equipment for the same, will be published for free in "BIODYNAMICS:Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century" (both in the journal itself and via the BIODYNAMICS email list) as a service to the natural farming community as a whole. BIODYNAMICS reserves the right to edit all submissions and to reject any submissions without explanation. Space is limited and inclusion will be determined by date received and appropriateness for the publication. All submissions directly related to biodynamics will be given priority. Send your TYPED or very, very, neatly printed submissions to: BIODYNAMICS, POB 3047, Shepherdstown, WV 25443, FAX (304) 876-9414 or biodynamics@biodynamics.com (no attachements, please). Submissions are due on the first of the month PRECEDING the issue date. (BIODYNAMICS appears on: Jan 1, March 1, May 1, July 1, Sept 1 and Decemer 1). If you still have questions, please contact managing editor ALLAN BALLIETT at biodynamics@biodynamics.com For a sample copy of BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century contact The Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of America, POB 550, Kimberton, PA 19442 USA 1-800-516-7797 or join the association for only $35 per year and receive the journal for free. VISA/AMEX/MasterCard accepted. (International Subscriptions are higher. Contact the BDFGA for a quote). The BD-L e-mail list is open to all and subscribing is easy: simply send an e-mail to: bd-l@biodynamics.com and put "subscribe BD-L" in the Subject. (Include your name and physical address in the BODY of the message.) The Biodynamic Association Home Page: http://www.biodynamics.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jan 6 07:32:16 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27973 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26981 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19224; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:31:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19182 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:30:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10881 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:30:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801061230.HAA10881@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:18:26 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Why I'm Not Going to Whidbey Island This Year MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 248 Sometimes arrangements and plans work out, and sometimes they don't. I will not be relocating to Whidbey Island this year to operate the "Our Farm" CSA after all. I do think that the "Our Farm" folks are sincere in their desire to form a CSA. I've suggested that they get a group together and work with the group to make a land use arrangement with the landowner and hire a farmer. And that they do some more research until they clearly understand that CSA is a different paradigm, not just a new marketing scheme for the old "Farmer makes all the investment, does all the work, takes all the risk" agribusiness model. But the communications -- strongly hampered by the long-distance nature -- were just too poor to convince me to undertake a sizeable financial investment and commitment of six months or more as an unpaid volunteer to get their show on the road. The opportunity turned out to be simply an offer of land and a small bedroom in a very small house to rent for lots of money, which I can find by contacting any real estate agent. It was inaccurate (though not, I'm sure, intentionally so) to represent it as a CSA Operator position. But it might work out just fine if somebody's interested in a farm to rent. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jan 6 07:41:32 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28110 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29785 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19650; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:40:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19610 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:40:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11159 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801061240.HAA11159@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:35:46 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Apprentice/Intern/Partner Openings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 249 Since I'm staying here, I guess I should let it be known that there will be 1998 openings for apprentices, interns, and partners at Ash Grove Community Farm and Center for Sustainable Living. Can start any time. Organic farming and gardening CSA development and maintenance Goat husbandry (Dairy, Pack, Harness) Poultry husbandry (chicken tractors) Good two-year college just 5 miles away Major tourist attractions just 5 miles away Housing, stipends etc. available depending on experience and the amount of time a person wants to commit to our little extended intentional community project. CSA (of course) membership and summer jobs cooperative participation encouraged (payment via market garden profit sharing). Oh yes -- draft horse component also available via neighbors, also computer (MS Office, HTML Web Design, database development, technical writing) components possible. Housing in house ($250 per month for 18x20 private room and whole-house sharing privileges includes utilities and cable TV -- rooms may be shared with friends for $50 additional per person) or in tents ($50 per month, house privileges and refuge during severe weather). Labor can be applied to housing value. Food is $70 per week; labor can be applied to food value. Meals are shared. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 7 09:14:04 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21276 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06377 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09848; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:12:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09764 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:12:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcf19.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.41]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07401 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:11:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980107101643.2b679dae@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:11:58 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: petersns@whidbey.com (Petersons family) (by way of Sarah Milstein ) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: new to list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 250 We operate a small (20 acres) farm on Whidbey Island, in Puget Sound, near Seattle, WA., while working at social work jobs and raising two daughters. Only about 3 acres are under cultivation; we are more a market garden than farm. We moved here 10 years ago, and began with selling overflow from a large garden at the local Tilth sponsored Farmer's Market. Now the enterprise has grown to a small business that sells salad greens to two grocery stores,several restaurants and caterers, operates a 29 member CSA, and sells at the weekly Farmer's Market. We became "certified organic" to be able to label the salad greens organic for the stores. Two students have received high school credit, through home-school contracts, for work done at our farm. Currently we are faced with the need to maximize our income to fund our daughters' college tuitions. Farming is a wonderful way to spend your life, but it doesn't, even with CSA, produce enough income for us. We explored the idea of a partnership, but discovered our need to control operations on this farm. At this point we are planning on cutting back much of the farm work for a few seasons, while working for money instead. Not a pleasant prospect, but temporary and necessary. Meanwhile we can continue to learn about CSA models. That has been the most rewarding - financially, socially, etc. but also the most heavy in terms of responsibility. I look forward to sharing our expericences with list members, and in turn learning from you. Molly Petersons From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 7 21:34:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05189 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05363 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27344; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:32:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.175]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27296; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:32:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <10f2394a.34b435f3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:12:02 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico To: petersns@whidbey.com, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: new to list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 251 The limited income of farming is one of the biggest hurtles to living our farming life. The best tool I have found for getting around that hurdle is the "inexpensive" book Your Money or Your Life. I recommend it highly. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 8 16:38:50 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26301 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12368 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06858; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:37:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06742; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:36:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <52953c79.34b450e6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:07:01 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: SCook21809 To: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: new to list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 252 After I read Your Money or Your LIfe, I said, so what are we who are already streamlined/minimized do now? Besides the basic decision of renting/owning (owning is quite preferable if you are growing I figure), we are there and still there is no college fund and 5 of us live in a 900 square foot house. We get by with a gross income of about 21,000 (CSA and Farmers' Market) from the farm and supplement it with night shifts as a nurse as needed during the winter. That's how farmers got along in early america - diversification. They had another trade to help during the cold/dark times. The only savings/investment we have had a chance to make is in our land. I hope our three kids figure out how to pay for their own college. I worked all through under grad and graduate school. We affectionately called it "work study"- the more your worked, the harder you studied to get through school faster. Suzy Ocean Sky Farm Bainbridge Island, WA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 8 18:37:34 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28459 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17013 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15918; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:36:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from ibd.ar.com ([204.152.144.52]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15089 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:28:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ibd.ar.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29917; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:28:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:28:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Rick H. Wesson" To: SCook21809 Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: new to list In-Reply-To: <52953c79.34b450e6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 253 hello, I'm new here too, i'm a computer person with the love of gardening. i have often wondered about starting a farm and suplimenting income by doing computer programming. infact i'm considering building such a farm/co-op in the south next year. i've seen lots of farmers strugle with the costs of running a farm, an think that using a little networking in the woods could provide a great environmant for both farmers and geeks other artists that like living in a non urban setting. thats my hopes anyways. -rick From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jan 11 14:32:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA29495 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16213 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11427; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:31:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11168 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:24:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:23:07 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 254 To subscribe to an electronic version of the publication, send a message to: Majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type: subscribe smallfarm-mg The Web site is located at http://www.reeusda.gov/smalfarm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 12 11:10:04 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA14646 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16261 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00298; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:08:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (mrin39.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.149]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00059 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:05:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA28548 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:04:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <980112110435_688741337@mrin39.mx> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:04:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: EquityTr@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Apprentices Needed X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 255 APPRENTICES NEEDED at Quail Hill Community Farm, a 150 member, pick-your-own, CSA program which grows mixed vegetables, extensive cover crops, raspberries, apple and young peach orchards on 25 certified organic acres, and maintains a small flock of laying hens. The farm also generates income by managing another 80 acres. This involves seeding fields, field mowing, garden design and maintenance, and composting. Apprentice tasks include: planting, cultivation, greenhouse upkeep, harvesting, care of tools and tractors, and supervision of the farm members, who pick the bulk of their own shares. Work week is 5 1/2 days, which includes Saturday member harvest day. Off farm housing only is avialable. Stipend is $250 per week, which includes a housing allowance. Quail Hill farm is a project of the Peconic Land Trust, a nonprofit conservation organization which has protected over 2000 acres of land on Eastern Long Island. The farm is located on a 192 acre preserve in Amagansett, NY, minutes from dunes and ocean beaches. Interested, hard working persons please contact Scott Chaskey by phone: 516-267-8492 or regular mail: P. O. Box 2088, Southampton, NY11969. Please do not respond by e-mail. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 14 07:24:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA10163 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02960 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA29820; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:23:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29721 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:19:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07416 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801141219.HAA07416@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:12:12 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Press Releases MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 256 Is everybody here clear about the uses and opportunities available through publicity? The difference between publicity and advertising, and why publicity is worth more? And getting good publicity through good press releases? Has everybody got their monthly press releases for the year prepared, at least outlined and scheduled? How about the use of software to help with this stuff -- track and write and etc. -- any favorites? Any interest in a thread on this topic? Sharing each other's releases (indicate whether other CSAs may use them as templates)? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 14 08:53:54 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA14286 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20168 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03270; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:52:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03237 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:52:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA15313; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:51:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from wor-ma2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.87) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015304; Wed Jan 14 07:50:56 1998 Message-Id: <01bd20f3$a860cd60$23a8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:52:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: "Dori Green" , Subject: Re: Press Releases MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 257 Dear Dori and list I think this is a great thread it been something we've been thinking of. Someone in our town has just started a local town paper, my sons boyscout leader sent in a picture and they printed it. So we were thinking we should get a blurb about our upcoming CSA, it will be our first year, the ground is plowed we have a idea of the seeds we'll order but we need customers (we'll be happy with 15-20). As Dori said any info? Beth -----Original Message----- From: Dori Green To: csa-l@prairienet.org Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 7:23 AM Subject: Press Releases >Is everybody here clear about the uses and opportunities available through >publicity? The difference between publicity and advertising, and why >publicity is worth more? > >And getting good publicity through good press releases? > >Has everybody got their monthly press releases for the year prepared, at >least outlined and scheduled? > >How about the use of software to help with this stuff -- track and write >and etc. -- any favorites? > >Any interest in a thread on this topic? Sharing each other's releases >(indicate whether other CSAs may use them as templates)? > >Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator >Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living >http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 14 12:50:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA24603 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24249 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19057; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18972 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA24369; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA18947; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: Dori Green Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Press Releases In-Reply-To: <199801141219.HAA07416@cyber1.servtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 258 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden (see small farmer questionnaire - publicise your farm) london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Dori Green wrote: > Is everybody here clear about the uses and opportunities available through > publicity? The difference between publicity and advertising, and why > publicity is worth more? > And getting good publicity through good press releases? > Has everybody got their monthly press releases for the year prepared, at > least outlined and scheduled? Not yet. > How about the use of software to help with this stuff -- track and write > and etc. -- any favorites? > Any interest in a thread on this topic? Sharing each other's releases > (indicate whether other CSAs may use them as templates)? Yes. I'd be very interested in discussion this a freely exchanging ideas and resources. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 15 13:34:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA13475 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16473 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29746; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:33:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29101 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:30:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2f1830f7.34be4eed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:01:15 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 259 A few days ago I Posted the following >>To subscribe to an electronic version of the publication, send a message to: >>Majordomo@reeusda.gov >>In the body, type: subscribe smallfarm-mg >>The Web site is located at http://www.reeusda.gov/smalfarm I have been unsuccessful in subscribing. I posted the note before trying. I got the info out of a Small Farm Newsletter - which I threw out, so I can't follow up on this with the publication. It may be that it is just in the works and will be posted later (?) Anyway - sorry. If anyone has any other info on what is going on with this please post. It seems like a good idea and I hope it floats. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 15 14:52:03 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA16805 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06003 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10300; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:50:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from kirkwood.hoosier.net (kirkwood.hoosier.net [206.106.64.12]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09561 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:42:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (simmonsm@localhost) by kirkwood.hoosier.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19896; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:42:15 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dr. H. Michael Simmons" To: RfarmChico Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter In-Reply-To: <2f1830f7.34be4eed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: simmonsm@kirkwood.hoosier.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 260 I also tried unsuccessfully but asked for the list from majordomo (use as the body of the message) which returned (among many other interesting entries) . By sending a message to majordomo@reeusda.gov I was able to subscribe. So the instructions are correct except for the <-mg> which should be left off. H. Michael Simmons, Director Community Garden Project Bloomington, Indiana On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, RfarmChico wrote: > A few days ago I Posted the following > > >>To subscribe to an electronic version of the publication, send a message to: > >>Majordomo@reeusda.gov > > >>In the body, type: subscribe smallfarm-mg > > >>The Web site is located at http://www.reeusda.gov/smalfarm > > I have been unsuccessful in subscribing. I posted the note before trying. > > I got the info out of a Small Farm Newsletter - which I threw out, so I can't > follow up on this with the publication. > > It may be that it is just in the works and will be posted later (?) > > Anyway - sorry. If anyone has any other info on what is going on with this > please post. It seems like a good idea and I hope it floats. > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 15 15:03:13 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA17156 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08582 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11265; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from dns.fgi.net (dns.fgi.net [206.101.112.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11225 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:01:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from iis.iar.org (mail.iar.org [208.149.184.226]) by dns.fgi.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15318 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:00:55 -0600 Received: by mail.iar.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:59:46 -0600 Message-Id: <01B69C152C3DD111A7EC006097AB820501B764@mail.iar.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:59:44 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jan Blythe To: "'RfarmChico'" , csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 261 Hello all: I was able to subscribe with no problems - try this - send a message to majordomo@reeusda.gov with the message "subscribe smallfarm". That should do it. Leave off the "-mg-" in the message. Good Luck. Jan > -----Original Message----- > From: RfarmChico [SMTP:RfarmChico@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:01 PM > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter > > A few days ago I Posted the following > > >>To subscribe to an electronic version of the publication, send a > message to: > >>Majordomo@reeusda.gov > > >>In the body, type: subscribe smallfarm-mg > > >>The Web site is located at http://www.reeusda.gov/smalfarm > > I have been unsuccessful in subscribing. I posted the note before > trying. > > I got the info out of a Small Farm Newsletter - which I threw out, so > I can't > follow up on this with the publication. > > It may be that it is just in the works and will be posted later (?) > > Anyway - sorry. If anyone has any other info on what is going on with > this > please post. It seems like a good idea and I hope it floats. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 15 17:37:09 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA24160 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17803 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22809; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:35:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22528 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:32:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RMX24576; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:18:24 EST Message-Id: <19980115.171608.14294.9.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:14:23 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: RfarmChico@aol.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Small Farm Digest, a new free quarterly newsletter References: <2f1830f7.34be4eed@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-32 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 262 After a failed attempt to subscribe, I tried again: same address, but in the body "subscribe smallfarm" without the quotes and without "-mg". That one went through and I received a welcome message today! Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land." -A. Lincoln On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:01:15 EST RfarmChico writes: >A few days ago I Posted the following > >>>To subscribe to an electronic version of the publication, send a >message to: >>>Majordomo@reeusda.gov > >>>In the body, type: subscribe smallfarm-mg > >>>The Web site is located at http://www.reeusda.gov/smalfarm > >I have been unsuccessful in subscribing. I posted the note before >trying. > >I got the info out of a Small Farm Newsletter - which I threw out, so >I can't >follow up on this with the publication. > >It may be that it is just in the works and will be posted later (?) > >Anyway - sorry. If anyone has any other info on what is going on with >this >please post. It seems like a good idea and I hope it floats. > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 15 23:03:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA06092 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10851 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13791; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:01:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13747 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:01:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19331 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:01:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801160401.XAA19331@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:56:23 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Press Releases MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 263 Sorry, I didn't mean to toss out a teaser and then disappear! Things got busy at work and here at the farm -- I support Ash Grove with a full-time technical writing job plus a part-time technical writing job and both of them sometimes go Whoosh! at the same time. And I'm on goat-baby watch, and hunkering down for the newest Nor'Easter. My e-mail fun time was suddenly very gone! I do have thoughts and an example or two to share on this thread, and I promise I'll get them posted by Sunday. Meanwhile if anybody else has something to share, let's hear it! Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 16 11:40:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA03807 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13774 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13969; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:38:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from wakko.efn.org (wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13918 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:38:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from DialupEudora (srialpop@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01898 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:28:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:38:48 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: wgfarm@efn.org (Mary Jo Wade) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: press releases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: wgfarm@mailhost.efn.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 264 Regular press releases are a great idea. One topic I'm considering(no I haven't written it yet)is a review of the recent consumer reports on Organic foods. Mary Jo From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 16 19:01:34 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA11117 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21262 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15538; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:59:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15421 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:58:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23214 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:58:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801162358.SAA23214@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:48:07 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: press releases MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 265 Step One: Sit down NOW with a calendar and mark every newsworthy date in the coming year -- events, commemorations, special harvest items coming due (for instance, in August we hold a Basil Pasta Pigout Party). Step Two: Count back three weeks from each of those dates and mark "Mail Out Press Releases for ____ (date)". Step Three: Count back one week from each of the Step Two dates and mark "Write Press Releases for ____ (date)". Meet those deadlines! Don't try to do the writing the day before the mailing date -- there's still labels to print, copies to get made, envelopes to stuff. Step Four: Write as many of them as you can between now and April. File them by date. Use the 5 Ws: WHO WHAT WHY WHERE WHEN HOW (HOW MUCH) Remember that you're making and reporting news, not advertising. The fact that I'm selling basil in August is best -- and most fairly -- communicated through a classified ad. My Basil Pasta Pigout Party is a community event, and it's news. What's news-worthy about what you're doing? CSAs are saving the planet and preserving a way of life that's fast-disappearing and providing people with a chance to stay connected to the land even if they live in an apartment. That's news! Tie your press release to those ideas. If you have a skilled writer in your CSA group, swap them a percentage off their share price for their expertise of either writing or editing what you write. They deserve recompense for their expertise just as you do for yours at farming, and everybody can use an editor. Don't get your knickers in a knot if they suggest a change, but don't implement a change if you don't agree with it. My favorite software for creating press releases is Word 6.0's Press Release template collection. My favorite software for tracking contacts and press releases is Microsoft Access's "Contacts" template. Start with the phone book and make a list of all of the newspapers, radio stations, tv stations, churches, non-profit organizations, and philanthropic organizations you can find. Add to this list constantly. Either set up your program to print labels or make one set of labels and make at least 12 copies onto more labels. Edit your list at least twice a year and weed out the "contacts" that aren't doing you any good. VERY IMPORTANT: For every press release, make a flyer that just gives the 5W information. Send that version to the "Public Service Announcement" folks at the media, send the full press release to the Regional Editor, Agriculture Editor, Business Editor, or News Editor. Also post the flyers when you mail the press releases. VERY IMPORTANT: Always include full contact information for more information. If you can send a photo along with your release, you might be far ahead of the game. Snapshots are just fine. Just don't expect to get it back. LAST STEP AND MOST IMPORTANT: Now comes the hard work! Call on every contact and find the person behind the job. Take along a little basket of home-grown preserves or something else nice. It isn't a bribe, it's just an introduction. Ask them if they'd rather receive notices one at a time or if it would be easier for them if you provided them with a list of events for the season or the year -- different people have different preferences and they'll appreciate that you asked. Then when you send your releases and/or flyers -- and especially if you send one list -- call to confirm that they received it without difficulty. Be friendly and helpful -- they're in a hectic and mostly thankless job for not a lot of money or recognition but with lots of demands on their time and effort. Be rememberable in a good way. It'll pay off. Just a few thoughts from 30 years on both sides of the media desk. Yes, I'll edit your press releases. I get $25 per hour, one hour minimum. I just gave the gist of my $100-a-person "How to Do A Great Publicity Job For Any Business Or Organization" seminar, so please be satisfied with that. Oh, gosh, look at the time. Off to my real job, time to feed the goats. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jan 17 11:05:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA01574 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23065 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10831; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10758 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:02:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801171602.KAA10758@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:53:30 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: CSA newsletter in the works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 266 /we at Five Springs Farm ( a small CSA in Northern Michigan) have decided to produce a national CSA newsletter. "The Community Farm", published quarterly will start with the May issue; the main theme of this first issue is membership retention (we hope to come up with something that sounds better by then). Our goal is to be a community supported newsletter. You are part of our community, at least we hope so. If you have an interest in writing articles, contributing ideas or tips, or being interviewed let us know soon. We are starting this on a shoestring so can offer little compensation at this point... "The Community Farm" can be a forum for growers, core group members, interns and others with an interest in sustainable agriculture. We are compiling a file of growers to contact for answers to specific questions. A farm "profile" will be in each issue- so we will be looking for farmers around the country who would like to be interviewed. Any assistance in these areas will be welcome. A letter will be going out in a couple of weeks to everyone on the CSANA mailing list, if you are not sure that you are on the list let us know and we will check. We are excited about this project (if a bit overwhelmed)...More later Jo Meller Jim Sluyter From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jan 17 14:27:45 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA06342 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13385 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21479; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:26:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21432 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:26:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26950 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:25:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801171925.OAA26950@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:18:24 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: CSA newsletter in the works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 267 Re: new national CSA newsletter -- have you done all of your homework to make sure that you're not re-inventing the wheel? Wasn't Melody (oh gosh, drawing a blank on her last name -- Townsend?) doing a regular national CSA newsletter, or maybe it was regional for the Northeast? I know she had been ill and I seem to remember hearing that we've lost her as well as Robyn Van En. I went through another bout of unemployment last year so cut all subscriptions out of my budget in favor of keeping the mortgage paid and am not on top of who's doing what these days, but it seems to me that there's already something in existance. The Demeter Association or ATTRA would probably have up-to-date info. Of course, Free Enterprise is a fine thing and there's probably room for another publication. Just be aware that many of us CSA folks are living hand to mouth while we put our resources toward getting these projects off the ground and if there's already something out there you might be asking for water from a well that's pretty much dry when you put out a call for subscribers. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html $100,000 tied up in my CSA farm now and it's time to order seed! Where ARE all of those subscribers? Besides waiting until July to indicate some interest, harrumph. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jan 18 11:59:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA02652 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19909 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02652; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:58:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02599 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:57:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801181657.KAA02599@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:48:10 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: CSA newsletter-homework MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 268 There have been two (that we know of) CSA newsletters in the past several years. Melody Newcombe edited one in 1994. It is no longer being published. Robyn Van En was on the staff of Seasonal News, which came from CSANA and was published perhaps twice in 1995. We have identified no other specifically CSA periodicals. We went to the Northeast CSA Conference in Massachesetts in November 1997, partly to see what, if anything, there was that we had overlooked. It was, by the way, a GREAT conference and was the final inspriation to take on a newsletter. We hope to interest CSA farmers, yes, but also core group members, interns and others in the publication. Recognizing that CSA farmers may not represent the wealth in agriculture, we hope to make it as affordable as possible and still pay the bills. Thanks for the warning, Dori, and this is not to say we have done ALL of our homework, but we have covered these issues as well as we could. Other comments will be appreciated! Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm and "The Community Farm" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jan 18 13:09:59 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA05515 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08949 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05780; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:08:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05727 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:08:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sun, 18 Jan 98 13:07:41 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:01:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Conference?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 269 I heard there will be a CSA conference or workshop in early February in Connecticut. I would greatly appreciate any information about it. Thank you. Jonathan Layburn From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 21 07:20:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA16615 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA20234 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA23461; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:19:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23421 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:18:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id HQE13922; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:11:22 EST Message-Id: <19980121.070825.14078.7.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:51:09 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: ddenome@netacc.net, wdhoward@netacc.net, Joy_Morris@mailer.zd.com, chasrizz@aol.com, YVillareale@juno.com, scassdon@frontiernet.net, Sally_Howard@zd.com, woodyw@juno.com, ddenome@netacc.net, Rita_Treichler@mc.xerox.com, dolphin820@aol.com, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Tawndor@aol.com (by way of BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST): New CSA book: Talk on Long Island X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20,22,24,26,28,30-32,34,36-39,41-43,45,47,49-51, 53,55,57,59,61,63,65,67-71,73,75,77-88 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 270 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Tawndor@aol.com (by way of BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST) To: bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: New CSA book: Talk on Long Island Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:10:25 -0500 Message-ID: Press Release For immediate release: 1/20/98 Contact Steven McFadden - 410-343-0856 Your Food, Your Family, Your Farms Author will Speak at Barnes & Noble Long Island, NY The best way to insure that you and your family are eating clean, healthy food is to know the people who do the growing, and how they are doing it. Over the last few years over 100,000 American families who live in cities and suburbs have starting doing this in partnership with farmers, and so can many of the households on Long Island, says Steven McFadden, director of The Wisdom Conservancy and co-author with Trauger Groh of the new book, "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited," published January, 1998 by the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. McFadden, the author of five other non-fiction titles, will speak and sign copies of his books, at the Barnes and Noble bookstore, 380 Walt Whitman Rd, Huntington Station, Long Island, NY on Thursday evening, February 5, from 7:30-9 PM. According to the author, very soon the government will issue new rules for organic food that, as written, will allow -- and will certify as "USDA Organic Approved" -- foods that have been genetically altered, fertilized with municipal sewage sludge, and exposed to irradiation. "That is not what the public thinks of as clean, healthy, organic food," the author said. "If Oprah Winfrey didn't have a court-imposed gag order on her now, this is the kind of thing she might have a lot to say about." The new book by McFadden and Groh, who wrote the first "Farms of Tomorrow in 1990," outlines these threats, but mainly explores in detail how a positive new movement called Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) has taken root in America over the last ten years. CSAs have brought over 100,000 US families into direct relationship with the over 1,000 local, US farms who grow their food. "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." - 30 - The Wisdom Conservancy is a private, non-profit, non-sectarian, membership institute based in Greenville, NH. The institute's mission is to conserve and communicate the wisdom of learned and compassionate elders and thereby encourage the public in cultivating and applying wisdom. The Wisdom Conservancy at Merriam Hill Education Center 148 Merriam Hill Greenville, NH 03048 --------- End forwarded message ---------- From london@sunsite.unc.edu Wed Jan 21 11:56:05 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu cc: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: New CSA book: Talk on Long Island (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 271 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:51:09 -0500 From: woodyw@juno.com --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Tawndor@aol.com (by way of BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST) To: bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: New CSA book: Talk on Long Island Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:10:25 -0500 Press Release For immediate release: 1/20/98 Contact Steven McFadden - 410-343-0856 Your Food, Your Family, Your Farms Author will Speak at Barnes & Noble, Long Island, NY The best way to insure that you and your family are eating clean, healthy food is to know the people who do the growing, and how they are doing it. Over the last few years over 100,000 American families who live in cities and suburbs have starting doing this in partnership with farmers, and so can many of the households on Long Island, says Steven McFadden, director of The Wisdom Conservancy and co-author with Trauger Groh of the new book, "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited," published January, 1998 by the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. McFadden, the author of five other non-fiction titles, will speak and sign copies of his books, at the Barnes and Noble bookstore, 380 Walt Whitman Rd, Huntington Station, Long Island, NY on Thursday evening, February 5, from 7:30-9 PM. According to the author, very soon the government will issue new rules for organic food that, as written, will allow -- and will certify as "USDA Organic Approved" -- foods that have been genetically altered, fertilized with municipal sewage sludge, and exposed to irradiation. "That is not what the public thinks of as clean, healthy, organic food," the author said." If Oprah Winfrey didn't have a court-imposed gag order on her now, this is the kind of thing she might have a lot to say about." The new book by McFadden and Groh, who wrote the first "Farms of Tomorrow in 1990," outlines these threats, but mainly explores in detail how a positive new movement called Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) has taken root in America over the last ten years. CSAs have brought over 100,000 US families into direct relationship with the over 1,000 local, US farms who grow their food. "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." The Wisdom Conservancy is a private, non-profit, non-sectarian, membership institute based in Greenville, NH. The institute's mission is to conserve and communicate the wisdom of learned and compassionate elders and thereby encourage the public in cultivating and applying wisdom. The Wisdom Conservancy at Merriam Hill Education Center 148 Merriam Hill Greenville, NH 03048 --------- End forwarded message ---------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 11:39:26 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA07873 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15337 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04584; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04482 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA01004 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10560 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:48:22 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: APPRENTICES NEEDED (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 272 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Milstein To: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: APPRENTICES NEEDED I'm posting this on behalf of Quail Hill Farm. Please respond to EquityTr@aol.com, not to me. Thanks! >APPRENTICES NEEDED for '98 season at Quail Hill Community Farm, a 150 member, >pick-your-own, CSA program which grows mixed vegetables, extensive cover >crops, raspberries, apple and young peach orchards on 25 certified organic >acres, and maintains a small flock of laying hens. The farm also generates >income by managing another 80 acres. This involves seeding fields, field >mowing, garden design and maintenance, and composting. > >Apprentice tasks include: planting, cultivation, greenhouse upkeep, >harvesting, care of tools and tractors, and supervision of the farm members, >who pick the bulk of their own shares. > >Work week is 5 1/2 days, which includes Saturday member harvest day. Off >farm housing only is available. Stipend is $250 per week, which includes a >housing allowance. > >Quail Hill Farm is a project of the Peconic Land Trust, a nonprofit >conservation organization which has protected over 2000 acres of land on >Eastern Long Island. The farm is located on a 192 acre preserve in >Amagansett, NY, minutes from dunes and ocean beaches. > >Interested persons please contact Scott Chaskey by phone: 516-267-8492 or >regular mail: P. O. Box 2088, Southampton, NY 11969. Please do not respond >by e-mail. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 11:40:22 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA07883 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15622 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04691; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04484 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA01071 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10635 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:51:51 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Farm Management Staff needed (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 273 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:55:53 EST From: Fgu3 To: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Farm Management Staff needed Farm Management-Based Internship Opportunity Program Description "From the Ground Up" seeks farm-based interns for the 1998 growing season. >From the Ground Up is a community development project sponsored by the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the Capital Area Food Bank, and the Chesapeake Community Supported Agriculture Group. The project was developed in 1992 to bring diverse groups of people together for a community building activity centered on food and environment, while developing a food system for low- income participants. From the Ground Up (FGU) uses the "Community Supported Agriculture" (CSA) arrangement to grow and distribute seasonal vegetables. Vegetables are delivered for 25 weeks to project participants (shareholders). In addition, we host several festivals yearly and publish a monthly newsletter. Internship Program The "FGU" internship program is unique compared to other CSA's in that vegetable production is only one part of our agricultural activity. In addition to vegetable production, interns will become familiar with intensive rotational grazing of a cow-calf production herd and a pastured poultry production flock. While our production at the Clagett Farm Center is exclusively low-input with regard to agricultural chemicals, other production management methods will be discussed. Weekly farm tours of varying production systems will be scheduled. Field trips with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation' education staff will also occur. Interns will be provided housing on-farm and a weekly stipend. Applicants should have a strong interest in whole farm management of small-scale, limited resource production systems. Applicants should be willing to use machinery and comfortable with other tools. Applicants must be willing to make investments of time in reading and becoming technically familiar with agricultural production. Two positions are available. Interested applicants should contact: Jonathan Moscatello FGU Production Manager Chesapeake Bay Foundation (301) 574-2490 FGU3@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 11:40:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA07888 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15653 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04735; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04491 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA00999 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10532 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:46:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:46:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: New CSA book: Talk on Long Island (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 274 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:51:09 -0500 From: woodyw@juno.com --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Tawndor@aol.com (by way of BIODYNAMIC MAIL LIST) To: bd-l@biodynamics.com Subject: New CSA book: Talk on Long Island Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:10:25 -0500 Press Release For immediate release: 1/20/98 Contact Steven McFadden - 410-343-0856 Your Food, Your Family, Your Farms Author will Speak at Barnes & Noble, Long Island, NY The best way to insure that you and your family are eating clean, healthy food is to know the people who do the growing, and how they are doing it. Over the last few years over 100,000 American families who live in cities and suburbs have starting doing this in partnership with farmers, and so can many of the households on Long Island, says Steven McFadden, director of The Wisdom Conservancy and co-author with Trauger Groh of the new book, "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited," published January, 1998 by the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. McFadden, the author of five other non-fiction titles, will speak and sign copies of his books, at the Barnes and Noble bookstore, 380 Walt Whitman Rd, Huntington Station, Long Island, NY on Thursday evening, February 5, from 7:30-9 PM. According to the author, very soon the government will issue new rules for organic food that, as written, will allow -- and will certify as "USDA Organic Approved" -- foods that have been genetically altered, fertilized with municipal sewage sludge, and exposed to irradiation. "That is not what the public thinks of as clean, healthy, organic food," the author said." If Oprah Winfrey didn't have a court-imposed gag order on her now, this is the kind of thing she might have a lot to say about." The new book by McFadden and Groh, who wrote the first "Farms of Tomorrow in 1990," outlines these threats, but mainly explores in detail how a positive new movement called Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) has taken root in America over the last ten years. CSAs have brought over 100,000 US families into direct relationship with the over 1,000 local, US farms who grow their food. "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." The Wisdom Conservancy is a private, non-profit, non-sectarian, membership institute based in Greenville, NH. The institute's mission is to conserve and communicate the wisdom of learned and compassionate elders and thereby encourage the public in cultivating and applying wisdom. The Wisdom Conservancy at Merriam Hill Education Center 148 Merriam Hill Greenville, NH 03048 --------- End forwarded message ---------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 11:40:32 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA07893 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15674 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04777; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04495 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA00777 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10358 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:38:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:38:17 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Steven McFadden/CSA book (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 275 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:30:32 -0500 From: "Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison" To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Steven McFadden/CSA book Howdy, all-- Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble, the MegaCorp That Devoured A Zillion Independent Bookstores? Or is this my foolish-consistency-hobgoblin hog-tying my tiny mind? :^) Barnes & Noble is to the book trade what Starbuck's is to coffee houses: devouring local businesses and gorging themselves on impulse shoppers. (As a WebHead friend said the other day as we perused a wall of brick-thick "How to use Windows" volumes in a Silicon Valley computer bookstore, "Buy a book, kill a tree!" But I digress.) ...oughtn't we sustaggies use sustainable ag to teach a progressive/local ethic of communication and business as well as a progressive/local ethic of land use and community? And to challenge things like the lifestyle of the shopping mall and the mega-store? Picture it: people come to the local shopping mall's Barnes & Noble to talk about sustainability and local economy and a self-sustaining food system? Tell me, please, that the authors are going to raise this as an issue at their reading! And will ask those who attend the reading to shop henceforth at local independent bookstores. [Regional Food Systems axiom 3.578: Biting the hand that feeds one can be a good first step toward feeding oneself.] Then there's this: > "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who > care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought > to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the > community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." Are the authors and the publisher promoting this book and CSA in the Bronx too? Lots of open space there for gardens. Last I was thru they'd torn down a whole buncha buildings. Big empty lots. Hungry people. Not much by way of stores. And need for community axis. And for green. Barnes & Noble got a store there? You bet your boopkey they don't. Disclaimer: there's nothing personal in my comments. Ya see, I saw one too many upscale suburban Madisonians drinking coffee in shiny new Sport Utility Vehicles with environmentalist bumperstickers parked outside the whole foods (small letters) store this a.m. I'm not saying that's what Steven and Trauger are doing...I've got my red flags up, is all. Sure, you can sell the Obvious to the Affluent and call it social change. But they'll buy something else when they get tired of arugula and root vegetables. In my not so humble opinion, any CSA member who has a household income of over $X per year--or who owns one of those bleeping SUVs or has more than 500 square feet of lawn--should be required by the CSA's formers/farmers to provide a half-share for people with low incomes. $100-300?--that's not many tanks of gas to run around suburbia at 13 mpg or whatever the riding lawn mower gets these days. Seems a small tithe in return for the privilege of choosing excellent food and the wisdom to know the difference. Of course, that may well be akin to selling sustainable ag as indulgences for environmental and other sins (SUVs excluded), but somebody's gotta lure the next Martin Luther up to the door, demmit. :^) peace michele <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Michele Gale-Sinex, communications manager Center for Integrated Ag Systems UW-Madison College of Ag and Life Sciences Voice: (608) 262-8018 FAX: (608) 265-3020 http://www.wisc.edu/cias/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody. --Richard Nixon : : : http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 13:01:32 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA08883 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21443 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11595; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:00:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11516 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from showme.missouri.edu ([128.206.61.83]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA223292 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:58:39 -0600 Message-Id: <34C78898.D24D0311@showme.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:57:45 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Mary Hendrickson To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book (fwd) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9F55355CA4C4175BF06F3E68" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 276 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9F55355CA4C4175BF06F3E68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michele: You're exactly right in pointing out inconsistencies of booksignings about CSA in a Barnes/Noble bookstore. Unfortunately, the structure of our economy and society make it VERY hard (not impossible, mind you) to consistently make good decisions for our local community in terms of what we buy and where we buy it. I agree that we have to be very vigilant about seeing the contradictions (the SUVs owned by CSA members.) of our actions and I'm glad you pointed it out. It's a constant struggle for all of us. Sustainable Agriculture and Food has to be within a consistent framework for all of our actions or it won't be very long term. But we need to support people wherever they are at -- naive environmentals w/ bumperstickers on their SUVs, sus. ag farmers who shop at Walmart etc, an ethical consumer who has to buy sport shoes made in China b/c they're the only ones that fit -- and work on education about contradictory actions and the interconnections of all spheres of life in order to make a long-term viable movement. Mary Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:30:32 -0500 > From: "Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison" > To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu > Subject: Steven McFadden/CSA book > > Howdy, all-- > > Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that > Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble, the > MegaCorp That Devoured A Zillion Independent Bookstores? Or is this > my foolish-consistency-hobgoblin hog-tying my tiny mind? :^) > > Barnes & Noble is to the book trade what Starbuck's is to coffee > houses: devouring local businesses and gorging themselves on > impulse shoppers. (As a WebHead friend said the other day as we > perused a wall of brick-thick "How to use Windows" volumes in a > Silicon Valley computer bookstore, "Buy a book, kill a tree!" But I > digress.) > > ...oughtn't we sustaggies use sustainable ag to teach a > progressive/local ethic of communication and business as well as a > progressive/local ethic of land use and community? And to challenge > things like the lifestyle of the shopping mall and the mega-store? > > Picture it: people come to the local shopping mall's Barnes & Noble > to talk about sustainability and local economy and a self-sustaining > food system? Tell me, please, that the authors are going to raise > this as an issue at their reading! And will ask those who attend the > reading to shop henceforth at local independent bookstores. > > [Regional Food Systems axiom 3.578: Biting the hand that feeds one > can be a good first step toward feeding oneself.] > > Then there's this: > > > "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who > > care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought > > to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the > > community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." > > Are the authors and the publisher promoting this book and CSA in the > Bronx too? Lots of open space there for gardens. Last I was thru > they'd torn down a whole buncha buildings. Big empty lots. Hungry > people. Not much by way of stores. And need for community axis. > And for green. > > Barnes & Noble got a store there? You bet your boopkey they don't. > > Disclaimer: there's nothing personal in my comments. Ya see, I saw > one too many upscale suburban Madisonians drinking coffee in shiny > new Sport Utility Vehicles with environmentalist bumperstickers > parked outside the whole foods (small letters) store this a.m. I'm > not saying that's what Steven and Trauger are doing...I've got my > red flags up, is all. Sure, you can sell the Obvious to the Affluent > and call it social change. But they'll buy something else when they > get tired of arugula and root vegetables. > > In my not so humble opinion, any CSA member who has a household > income of over $X per year--or who owns one of those bleeping SUVs or > has more than 500 square feet of lawn--should be required by the > CSA's formers/farmers to provide a half-share for people with low > incomes. $100-300?--that's not many tanks of gas to run around > suburbia at 13 mpg or whatever the riding lawn mower gets these days. > Seems a small tithe in return for the privilege of choosing > excellent food and the wisdom to know the difference. > > Of course, that may well be akin to selling sustainable ag as > indulgences for environmental and other sins (SUVs excluded), but > somebody's gotta lure the next Martin Luther up to the door, demmit. > > :^) > > peace > michele > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Michele Gale-Sinex, communications manager > Center for Integrated Ag Systems > UW-Madison College of Ag and Life Sciences > Voice: (608) 262-8018 FAX: (608) 265-3020 > http://www.wisc.edu/cias/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. > Therefore, I have to beat somebody. --Richard Nixon > : > : > : > http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden > london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net --------------9F55355CA4C4175BF06F3E68 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mary Hendrickson, PhD Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Mary Hendrickson, PhD n: Hendrickson, PhD;Mary org: Department of Rural Sociology adr;dom: ;;University of Missouri;Columbia;MO;65211; email;internet: rusomh@showme.missouri.edu tel;work: 573-882-7463 tel;fax: 573-882-1473 note: "Food Circles: Creating Local Sustainable Food Systems" x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------9F55355CA4C4175BF06F3E68-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 13:35:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA09402 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06594 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14271; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:34:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14216 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:33:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA09383 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA14696 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id MAA14217 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 277 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Milstein To: "Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison" , sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book Michelle, while I agree with you that there's deep irony and even distate in Steven McFadden's appearing at a Barnes & Noble (I don't spend my money at that chain), there are a few things going on in NYC you might not know about. >> "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who >> care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought >> to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the >> community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." > >Are the authors and the publisher promoting this book and CSA in the >Bronx too? In fact, Steven is promoting CSA in New York City -- an area where CSA groups are flourishing. With the help of Just Food, a number of New York City community groups have partnered with regional farmers and seven CSA groups have taken root in four boroughs (none on Staten Island yet) over the past two years. All seven groups are doing very well, and we're looking to add at least three new groups to the list this coming summer. Of the new groups, at least two will be in "low-income" neighborhoods (probably Red Hook (Brooklyn) and East Harlem (Manhattan), possibly in Bedford-Stuyvesant (Brooklyn)). One of the ongoing CSA groups is in the Bronx, and next year, we are likely to help set up additional group in that borough, certainly in a less affluent neighborhood than the current one. Just Food does not sell shares, and we don't grow food. We help New Yorkers and farmers build lasting, mutually benefical relationships. The options we're exploring for 1998 with community groups in low-income neighborhoods include: · Establishing revolving loan funds (through local banks, community groups or foundations) to pay farmers up front and/or cover costs of buying in food if a farm has a significant failure of some sort. · Working out "sister neighborhood" arrangements, whereby those who can afford more, pay more. · Accepting food stamps. · Accepting payments on a long-term installation plan. · Offering sliding-scale share fees. · Offering scholarship shares, which are usually paid for by members or organizations who donate a share OR by members who agree to pay more for their share, with the proviso that the extra funds will go towards scholarship shares. · Allowing sharers to work off some or all of a share, either through farm labor or through administrative and distribution-site work. · Growing some portion of vegetables specifically for a food pantry or soup kitchen. · Donating weekly surplus vegetables to a food pantry or soup kitchen. Steven interviewed me for the book and is well aware of the work we're doing. >Lots of open space there for gardens. Last I was thru >they'd torn down a whole buncha buildings. Big empty lots. Hungry >people. Not much by way of stores. And need for community axis. >And for green. Setting up community gardens in empty lots is, of course, no simple matter. In addition to the physical barriers to creating arable lots (rubble removal, installation of fencing and irrigation, etc.) and costs of establishing gardens (soil testing and replacement, container building, etc.), land tenure -- of all things -- is a serious matter. In New York City, most of the community gardens are located on city property and hold year-to-year leases with the city. As the city faces a growing housing crisis and chronic budget problems, such garden lots -- the cheapest sites on which to build -- are increasingly threatened by residential development. About a dozen gardens throughout the city were levelled this past fall, and many more are scheduled for demolition, which is a high-priority policy of the Giuliani administration (a coalition of greening groups, bolstered by a grant from the Philanthropic Collaborative, is working furiously to halt or slow this trend). As you know, successful food production is tough to establish on land that is only available for a year or even less -- which is very probably the case with most of the currently vacant lots. Despite these obstacles, The City Farms, a collaborative project of five New York organizations (including Just Food), is helping people who live in low-income neighborhoods establish urban farms. The City Farms goals are to: i. Improve the availability of fresh food in New York City’s low-income neighborhoods by expanding the capacity of urban growers to produce healthful, nutritious food and distribute it to local residents through established food sites; ii. Promote community-based entrepreneurship and economic opportunity through food production, processing and marketing; iii. Strengthen urban markets for farmers by fostering relationships among city residents and regional and local growers; iv. Build public support for the preservation of open space for food production. The five project partners are: Just Food; Green Guerillas; Cornell Cooperative Extension-NYC; Food for Survival, Inc.; and Northeast Organic Farming Association-NY. We recently received a three-year Community Food Security grant from the USDA and have hired a community organizer to coordinate the project as it enters its second year. Although none of last year's four sites was in the Bronx (one each in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island), one of next year's probably will be. In future years, we hope to meld our CSA in NYC program with The City Farms and set up city-based CSA farms. For more info on The City Farms, contact Kate Sullivan at the address/phone below. In addition to the partners involved in The City Farms, Bronx Green-Up (the community-gardening arm of the NY Botanical Garden) and many other organizations are working hard to make that borough a greener place. Throughout NYC, there are more than a dozen urban greening groups -- many of which have an increasing understanding of the role community gardens can play in promoting food security. By the way, the Green Guerrilas, one of the oldest greening groups in the NYC, has generously allowed Just Food to share their office space. >Barnes & Noble got a store there? You bet your boopkey they don't. Actually, they do. It's located at/near Fordham University. Not that B&N improves the Bronx, but for the record, the chain is an equal-opportunity homogenizer. Sarah Milstein Coordinator of CSA Programs, Just Food 625 Broadway, Suite 9C New York, NY 10012 212/674.8124 phone 212/505.8613 fax From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 13:41:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA09521 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09139 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14753; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:40:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14704 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:40:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcf5f.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.175]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA32436 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:39:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980122144416.422f1a70@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:39:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id MAA14707 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 278 >Michelle, while I agree with you that there's deep irony and even distate in Steven McFadden's appearing at a Barnes & Noble (I don't spend my money at that chain), there are a few things going on in NYC you might not know about. > >>> "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who >>> care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought >>> to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the >>> community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." >> >>Are the authors and the publisher promoting this book and CSA in the >>Bronx too? > >In fact, Steven is promoting CSA in New York City -- an area where CSA groups are flourishing. With the help of Just Food, a number of New York City community groups have partnered with regional farmers and seven CSA groups have taken root in four boroughs (none on Staten Island yet) over the past two years. All seven groups are doing very well, and we're looking to add at least three new groups to the list this coming summer. Of the new groups, at least two will be in "low-income" neighborhoods (probably Red Hook (Brooklyn) and East Harlem (Manhattan), possibly in Bedford-Stuyvesant (Brooklyn)). One of the ongoing CSA groups is in the Bronx, and next year, we are likely to help set up additional group in that borough, certainly in a less affluent neighborhood than the current one. > >Just Food does not sell shares, and we don't grow food. We help New Yorkers and farmers build lasting, mutually benefical relationships. The options we're exploring for 1998 with community groups in low-income neighborhoods include: > >· Establishing revolving loan funds (through local banks, community groups or foundations) to pay farmers up front and/or cover costs of buying in food if a farm has a significant failure of some sort. >· Working out "sister neighborhood" arrangements, whereby those who can afford more, pay more. >· Accepting food stamps. >· Accepting payments on a long-term installation plan. >· Offering sliding-scale share fees. >· Offering scholarship shares, which are usually paid for by members or organizations who donate a share OR by members who agree to pay more for their share, with the proviso that the extra funds will go towards scholarship shares. >· Allowing sharers to work off some or all of a share, either through farm labor or through administrative and distribution-site work. >· Growing some portion of vegetables specifically for a food pantry or soup kitchen. >· Donating weekly surplus vegetables to a food pantry or soup kitchen. > >Steven interviewed me for the book and is well aware of the work we're doing. > >>Lots of open space there for gardens. Last I was thru >>they'd torn down a whole buncha buildings. Big empty lots. Hungry >>people. Not much by way of stores. And need for community axis. >>And for green. > >Setting up community gardens in empty lots is, of course, no simple matter. In addition to the physical barriers to creating arable lots (rubble removal, installation of fencing and irrigation, etc.) and costs of establishing gardens (soil testing and replacement, container building, etc.), land tenure -- of all things -- is a serious matter. In New York City, most of the community gardens are located on city property and hold year-to-year leases with the city. As the city faces a growing housing crisis and chronic budget problems, such garden lots -- the cheapest sites on which to build -- are increasingly threatened by residential development. About a dozen gardens throughout the city were levelled this past fall, and many more are scheduled for demolition, which is a high-priority policy of the Giuliani administration (a coalition of greening groups, bolstered by a grant from the Philanthropic Collaborative, is working furiously to halt or slow this trend). As you know, successful food production is tough to establish on land that is only available for a year or even less -- which is very probably the case with most of the currently vacant lots. > >Despite these obstacles, The City Farms, a collaborative project of five New York organizations (including Just Food), is helping people who live in low-income neighborhoods establish urban farms. The City Farms goals are to: > >i. Improve the availability of fresh food in New York City’s low-income neighborhoods by expanding the capacity of urban growers to produce healthful, nutritious food and distribute it to local residents through established food sites; >ii. Promote community-based entrepreneurship and economic opportunity through food production, processing and marketing; >iii. Strengthen urban markets for farmers by fostering relationships among city residents and regional and local growers; >iv. Build public support for the preservation of open space for food production. > >The five project partners are: Just Food; Green Guerillas; Cornell Cooperative Extension-NYC; Food for Survival, Inc.; and >Northeast Organic Farming Association-NY. We recently received a three-year Community Food Security grant from the USDA and have hired a community organizer to coordinate the project as it enters its second year. Although none of last year's four sites was in the Bronx (one each in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island), one of next year's probably will be. In future years, we hope to meld our CSA in NYC program with The City Farms and set up city-based CSA farms. For more info on The City Farms, contact Kate Sullivan at the address/phone below. > >In addition to the partners involved in The City Farms, Bronx Green-Up (the community-gardening arm of the NY Botanical Garden) and many other organizations are working hard to make that borough a greener place. Throughout NYC, there are more than a dozen urban greening groups -- many of which have an increasing understanding of the role community gardens can play in promoting food security. > >By the way, the Green Guerrilas, one of the oldest greening groups in the NYC, has generously allowed Just Food to share their office space. > >>Barnes & Noble got a store there? You bet your boopkey they don't. > >Actually, they do. It's located at/near Fordham University. Not that B&N improves the Bronx, but for the record, the chain is an equal-opportunity homogenizer. > >Sarah Milstein >Coordinator of CSA Programs, Just Food > >625 Broadway, Suite 9C >New York, NY 10012 >212/674.8124 phone >212/505.8613 fax > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 15:30:24 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA11665 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29650 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22701; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:28:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22508 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:26:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA02255 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:25:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from wor-ma1-12.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.44) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002090; Thu Jan 22 14:24:37 1998 Message-Id: <01bd2773$bc0f8d20$2ca8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:24:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: Subject: Barnes and Noble MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 279 Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble............ As a CSA thats about to accept its first members I think its good that the "general public" will find out about the concept. Our farm is one of the last open spaces left in our town (yep big houses, Sport utillity v.) so we "need" this population to be our customers so that we can afford in the coming years to 1. keep the space open 2. Quit the real jobs and farm full time. We envision as the years progress including an educational componet to the farm ie: school tours, classes, and I've been giving thought to volunteering to give "farmy" talks in the local schools. About the later any suggestions? My childrens former 2nd grade teacher is the first teacher I would approach I think she very much would enjoy such a program. And the Massachusetts Farm Bureau(think thats right) has a program something like Agriculture in the classroom where I can get some info. Thank-you for an interesting thread and any info you can share. Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 22 22:57:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA18463 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21147 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26192; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:55:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26117 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:54:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA18449 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24044 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:54:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:54:53 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 280 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:45:13 -0500 From: Bittersweet Farmstead To: "Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison" Cc: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Steven McFadden/CSA book Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison wrote: > Howdy, all-- > Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that > Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble, the > MegaCorp That Devoured A Zillion Independent Bookstores? Or is this > my foolish-consistency-hobgoblin hog-tying my tiny mind? :^) Michele, I adore your postings on the net. Such logic! Having just written and released a new book concerning sustainable (and local) ag myself, I thought you might be interested in knowing that we treat the book just like any of our other farm products - we direct market and cut all the middle men out! Consider the following significa. - written by um wah - illustrations by um wah - designed by um wah - marketed by um wah - distributed by um wah - profits go to . . . um wah! By the way, I just shipped a book today to the University of Wisconsin at Madison "Memorial Library" on State Street. Do I owe you a much appreciated "Thank You for Your Order?" Jeff Commercial follows: New Book Announcement Title: Dynamic Farmers' Marketing: A Guide to Successfully Selling Your Farmers' Market Products by Jeff W. Ishee Softbound, 129 pages Published by Bittersweet Farmstead e-mail:farmsted@cfw.com Published July,1997 Dimensions: 8 1/2 x 11 ISBN: 096568900X Fed ID# 9422767023 List price: $14.95 + $2.50 shipping (international slightly higher) This new non-fiction work from market gardener and Shenandoah Valley farm radio broadcaster Jeff Ishee addresses the explosive growth of public farmers' markets in the United States and how family-scale farmers can capitalize on this trend. Step-by-step procedures for vendors, market management and new market organizers. Initial reviews include: "Packed with information. My kind of book! It has so much good information, I think I should make it mandatory each one (of our vendors) buy a copy." - Lynn Wettach, Market Master, St. Augustine, Florida " . . . the sort of thing that makes me want to become a farmer. With this his first book, Jeff Ishee has done a great service to the movement to reestablish the small family farm as an economically viable way of life in America. I hope this will not be the last we see of Jeff as an author. It is excellent." - Robert Green, Editor and Publisher, QYLM and Provider Books "A practical and fun to read book on a crucial topic. Anyone who sells or thinks they may in the future sell farm products needs a copy of this." - Gwen Roland, Communications Specialist, SARE, University of Georgia To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 12:01:47 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA25834 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10977 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04387; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:00:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04093 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:56:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id L_C18633; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:54:54 EST Message-Id: <19980123.115135.10646.2.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:45:44 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: gale-sinex@aae.wisc.edu, CSA-L@prairienet.org, ddenome@netacc.net Subject: Yuppies, SUVs, CSAs References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,11-12,15-17,23-112 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 281 Michele: Good points you make, ironies exposed, but I gotta tell you, as a CSA grower some of my best friends are Yuppies. Who else has the disposable income to take a flyer on a startup CSA, as ours was last season? Most of these folks--two income families who earn more from their corporate jobs than I've ever dreamed of--are under great stress and in a time debt, but they made it to the farm every week for their veggies. When I wasn't wincing at their choice of vehicles, I had both compassion and gratitude for these people, since even in startup mode with only 36 full shares sold we were able to offer two "scholarships" to lower-income families and bootstrap this farm into being. <> They ain't gonna get tired of _eating_ Michelle! The food we offer is fresh, local and wholesome...values these folks appreciate. We expect to have to establish a waiting list this spring and there'll be more scholarships. Meanwhile a garden-quality farm is born, kids get to see where and how food comes to the table, kitchen waste comes back to the farm for compost, we are repopulating the area with honeybees with an Adopt-a-Hive project...all with Yuppiebucks. Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land." -A. Lincoln Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:30:32 -0500 From: "Michele Gale-Sinex/CIAS, UW-Madison" To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Steven McFadden/CSA book Howdy, all-- Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble, the MegaCorp That Devoured A Zillion Independent Bookstores? Or is this my foolish-consistency-hobgoblin hog-tying my tiny mind? :^) Barnes & Noble is to the book trade what Starbuck's is to coffee houses: devouring local businesses and gorging themselves on impulse shoppers. (As a WebHead friend said the other day as we perused a wall of brick-thick "How to use Windows" volumes in a Silicon Valley computer bookstore, "Buy a book, kill a tree!" But I digress.) ...oughtn't we sustaggies use sustainable ag to teach a progressive/local ethic of communication and business as well as a progressive/local ethic of land use and community? And to challenge things like the lifestyle of the shopping mall and the mega-store? Picture it: people come to the local shopping mall's Barnes & Noble to talk about sustainability and local economy and a self-sustaining food system? Tell me, please, that the authors are going to raise this as an issue at their reading! And will ask those who attend the reading to shop henceforth at local independent bookstores. [Regional Food Systems axiom 3.578: Biting the hand that feeds one can be a good first step toward feeding oneself.] Then there's this: > "The movement is continuing to grow," McFadden says. "People who > care about their food, the environment, and their children, ought > to take a close look at CSA and what it can do for them and the > community where they live. It would work great on Long Island." Are the authors and the publisher promoting this book and CSA in the Bronx too? Lots of open space there for gardens. Last I was thru they'd torn down a whole buncha buildings. Big empty lots. Hungry people. Not much by way of stores. And need for community axis. And for green. Barnes & Noble got a store there? You bet your boopkey they don't. Disclaimer: there's nothing personal in my comments. Ya see, I saw one too many upscale suburban Madisonians drinking coffee in shiny new Sport Utility Vehicles with environmentalist bumperstickers parked outside the whole foods (small letters) store this a.m. I'm not saying that's what Steven and Trauger are doing...I've got my red flags up, is all. Sure, you can sell the Obvious to the Affluent and call it social change. But they'll buy something else when they get tired of arugula and root vegetables. In my not so humble opinion, any CSA member who has a household income of over $X per year--or who owns one of those bleeping SUVs or has more than 500 square feet of lawn--should be required by the CSA's formers/farmers to provide a half-share for people with low incomes. $100-300?--that's not many tanks of gas to run around suburbia at 13 mpg or whatever the riding lawn mower gets these days. Seems a small tithe in return for the privilege of choosing excellent food and the wisdom to know the difference. Of course, that may well be akin to selling sustainable ag as indulgences for environmental and other sins (SUVs excluded), but somebody's gotta lure the next Martin Luther up to the door, demmit. :^) peace michele <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Michele Gale-Sinex, communications manager Center for Integrated Ag Systems UW-Madison College of Ag and Life Sciences Voice: (608) 262-8018 FAX: (608) 265-3020 http://www.wisc.edu/cias/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 12:31:04 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA26432 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19913 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06863; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:29:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from node21.frontiernet.net (root@node21.frontiernet.net [205.232.174.29]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06623 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:26:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from sam (srv-2-17.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [209.130.130.122]) by node21.frontiernet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA56026; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:51:38 -0500 Message-Id: <34C8CC77.1989@frontiernet.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:59:35 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Sarah C. Donaldson" To: Dan Hook Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Barnes and Noble References: <01bd2773$bc0f8d20$2ca8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 282 Hi Beth For education programs, you might want to check out your cooperative extension. They have programs for children on a number of agriculture projects. Also the National Gardening Association has a curriculum available w/lesson plans for around $50. They also have grant money for approved projects. Have you considered a children's garden at the farm? (We have one at Seeking Common Ground,CSA in Honeoye Falls). One of my goals is to have a day care or other organization, come to the farm to help tend the children's garden, and weave some eductational workshops into the visit. Good luck with your first year, we started SCG last year. The first year is exciting, and a real eye opener! Sarah Donaldson Seeking Common Ground, CSA Honeoye Falls, NY Dan Hook wrote: > > Does a vast and potentially instructive irony lie in the fact that > Steve McFadden is doing a CSA book-signing at Barnes & Noble............ > > As a CSA thats about to accept its first members I think its good that the > "general public" will find out about the concept. Our farm is one of the > last open spaces left in our town (yep big houses, Sport utillity v.) so we > "need" this population to be our customers so that we can afford in the > coming years to 1. keep the space open 2. Quit the real jobs and farm full > time. We envision as the years progress including an educational componet > to the farm ie: school tours, classes, and I've been giving thought to > volunteering to give "farmy" talks in the local schools. About the later > any suggestions? > > My childrens former 2nd grade teacher is the first teacher I would approach > I think she very much would enjoy such a program. And the Massachusetts Farm > Bureau(think thats right) has a program something like Agriculture in the > classroom where I can get some info. > Thank-you for an interesting thread and any info you can share. Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 12:56:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA26854 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27537 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09159; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:54:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09106 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:54:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA26850 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA19392 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 283 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:05 -0500 From: REAP To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic I couldn't agree more with Michele Gale-Sinex's comments yesterday about the CSA book signing at Barnes and Noble. It is just a wee bit hippoish trying to encourage consumers to be more conscious of their food through the development of an alternative food production and distribution system and then delivering the message through the biggest book store that is cleaning up the independents. Wrapped around all the light lingo of Michel's comments is a pretty heavy message..a calling for a sustainable living ethic in much the same spirit as Aldo Leopold called for a Land Ethic. We have to become conscious of all our actions and not just worry about our particular field. Otherwise we are falling into the same trap as reductionist science with the same results...no real progress for society. So all we "sustaggies" need to take up the call and become individual Martin Luthers and start walking the talk of a sustainable living ethic. Roger Samson Executive Director REAP-Canada Box 125, Ste Anne de Bellevue, Quebec, H9X 3V9 From guldann@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 23 13:12:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA27058 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02860 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04571; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:10:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.40) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004544; Fri Jan 23 12:10:13 1998 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" From: "Dan Hook" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." , Subject: Re: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd282a$28683f60$2ca8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 284 While these comments have merit, isn't our hope that persons of all types will visit our farms. We are preaching to the choir on this list, but out of the thousands (hopefully) CSA members who visit our farms (with the next generation of food purchasers in tow) some will appreciate the process as much as the product. I have been able since I was quite small to walk in a garden and identify the various plants how many of our contemporaries are as fortunate. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. To: csa-l@prairienet.org Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 12:54 PM Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:05 -0500 >From: REAP >To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu >Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic > >I couldn't agree more with Michele Gale-Sinex's comments yesterday >about the CSA book signing at Barnes and Noble. It is just a wee bit >hippoish trying to encourage consumers to be more conscious of their >food through the development of an alternative food production and >distribution system and then delivering the message through the biggest >book store that is cleaning up the independents. > >Wrapped around all the light lingo of Michel's comments is a pretty >heavy message..a calling for a sustainable living ethic in much the same >spirit as Aldo Leopold called for a Land Ethic. We have to become >conscious of all our actions and not just worry about our particular >field. Otherwise we are falling into the same trap as reductionist >science with the same results...no real progress for society. > >So all we "sustaggies" need to take up the call and become individual >Martin Luthers and start walking the talk of a sustainable living >ethic. > >Roger Samson >Executive Director > > >REAP-Canada >Box 125, >Ste Anne de Bellevue, >Quebec, H9X 3V9 > > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 13:13:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA27095 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03252 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10528; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:11:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10490 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:11:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04571; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:10:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.40) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004544; Fri Jan 23 12:10:13 1998 Message-Id: <01bd282a$28683f60$2ca8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." , Subject: Re: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 285 While these comments have merit, isn't our hope that persons of all types will visit our farms. We are preaching to the choir on this list, but out of the thousands (hopefully) CSA members who visit our farms (with the next generation of food purchasers in tow) some will appreciate the process as much as the product. I have been able since I was quite small to walk in a garden and identify the various plants how many of our contemporaries are as fortunate. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. To: csa-l@prairienet.org Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 12:54 PM Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:05 -0500 >From: REAP >To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu >Subject: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic > >I couldn't agree more with Michele Gale-Sinex's comments yesterday >about the CSA book signing at Barnes and Noble. It is just a wee bit >hippoish trying to encourage consumers to be more conscious of their >food through the development of an alternative food production and >distribution system and then delivering the message through the biggest >book store that is cleaning up the independents. > >Wrapped around all the light lingo of Michel's comments is a pretty >heavy message..a calling for a sustainable living ethic in much the same >spirit as Aldo Leopold called for a Land Ethic. We have to become >conscious of all our actions and not just worry about our particular >field. Otherwise we are falling into the same trap as reductionist >science with the same results...no real progress for society. > >So all we "sustaggies" need to take up the call and become individual >Martin Luthers and start walking the talk of a sustainable living >ethic. > >Roger Samson >Executive Director > > >REAP-Canada >Box 125, >Ste Anne de Bellevue, >Quebec, H9X 3V9 > > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 14:49:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA28420 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02771 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18576; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:48:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18522 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:47:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19453 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801231947.OAA19453@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:35:38 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: CSA Book comments ...and a Sustainable living ethic (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 286 Unfortunately, most folks aren't going to take up sustainable lifestyles until they become a heck of a lot more convenient! Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 19:14:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA03703 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22521 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08876; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08809 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:12:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TtK18633; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:35 EST Message-Id: <19980123.190715.10646.4.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:27:05 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Adopt-A-Hive X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-12,24-28,35,39-41,43-45,49-55 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 287 To the List: In response to a request, I'm submitting the following letter, reprinted from the Biodynamic Honey Bee Symposium, Winter Solstice edition, published electronicaly by Jim Jensen of Georgia. I can picture other "Adopt-A..." projects appropriate for CSAs...milk cows, chickens (for eggs)...what else? Woody Jim, I conceived the idea for a co-op bee project here at our CSA when, last Spring, I made the following observations: We are blessed by the presence of old hedgerows at the boundaries of the property, with apple, cherry, and honey locust trees predominating. The hedgerows, I knew, would provide, in the Permaculture lexicon, edges, habitat for many plant and animal species that would not be present if the place were farmed fenceline-to-fenceline. The farm being new to me, I greeted the blossoming of each species with much anticipation...followed by much distress as I saw not a single honeybee working blossoms that I knew should be prime forage for them. The heartbreaking, soul-deadening conclusion I was forced to draw was that the entire area was bereft of honeybees, domestic or wild. That conclusion was reinforced later in the year when few bees were to be seen working the buckwheat bloom, when in my experience we should have seen and heard thousands of them. Fortunately, a local commercial beekeeper moved 48 palleted hives to an outyard three miles away in June, in time for reasonable if not ideal pollination of our cucurbits...pure happenstance and nothing a grower should depend upon. I informed our CSA members of this dismal situation via our newsletter and invited them to participate in a possible solution: I calculated that, for $275, a family could become owner-proprietor of a colony of bees. This sum would underwrite the purchase of woodenware, bees, and foundation; if 10 families would agree to hazard a total of $2,750, the CSA could also purchase a hand-cranked extractor, enough bee suits to outfit a family and the beekeeper, and other miscellaneous supplies. In exchange, members would be welcome--though not required--to help with the seasonal manipulations of the colonies and with the extraction, and would receive half the honey harvested. The other half would be sold to non-participating members to boost the CSA budget and finance a modest expansion of the operation in ensuing years. I made clear the risks involved and the fact that little, if any, honey would be harvested in the first year. Within a couple of months we had commitments from enough members to finance a 10-colony bee project, a heartening example of the power of economic cooperation and the burgeoning awareness CSA members have of agricultural/ecological issues and their willingness to underwrite solutions. Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land." -A. Lincoln From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 23 20:07:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA04643 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06594 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12373; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:06:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12312 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:06:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13703 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:05:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801240105.UAA13703@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:51:11 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Adopt-A-Hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 288 WHOA! Be very, very, careful with the "adopt-a" ideas for livestock. Especially milk. I'm now trying to work with New York Ag & Markets and Cornell Cooperative Extension to try and work out some way that my CSA members can "adopt" or share goats and get goats milk. Uh uh, so far. They all agree it's a bad idea. In almost all states in the US, farm sales of milk are prohibited unless you have a Grade A dairy and full facilities. Basically, selling milk or even giving it away, even labelled in 3-foot-high-letters that it is for animal consumption only (as for puppies), is one of the best ways to lose a farm. Between the regulatory agencies who can and are likely to swoop down, and the liability in today's sue-happy world, this is a great big no, no, no. Buy a couple of feeder pigs, feed them the milk, and sell the pork. If anybody really wants fresh real milk about the only way they can legally get it is to buy a farm and raise their own. Sorry, but the $2 or so I'd get for a quart of goat's milk -- as tempting as the help toward the feed bills would be -- is not worth losing what I've worked so very hard to gain here. Folks can now buy goat's milk for $2.69 a quart in Tops Supermarket. But they can pet my goats and even take them on hikes -- I've even ordered goat packs so the guys can carry canteens and gardening tools and lunches. But that's just part of the CSA draw, no extra charge. They just can't get milk from my goats. Some fights are not worth fighting, and I'm tired. I myself will keep drinking fresh raw goat's milk. I was nearly crippled with arthritis and fibromyalgia before I started, and I'm now in better health than I enjoyed ten years ago. But I am maintaining a farm and a goat herd for this "privilege" of good health. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jan 24 10:36:59 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA14370 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25813 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16073; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:35:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin52.mail.aol.com (mrin52.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.162]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16022 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:35:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA13830 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:34:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <980124103435_-1631508618@mrin52> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:34:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Subscribe - unsubscribe X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 289 Hi folks, I'm changing from aol to a local isp. 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 11:42:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA16869 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03455 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20346; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:41:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20293 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:40:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from spiritone.com (m7-67.spiritone.com [205.139.109.67]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09508; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:38:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34CCBC39.E5B45DD0@spiritone.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:21 -0800 Reply-To: aphoenix@spiritone.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Phoenix Rising To: Sigrid Stagl Cc: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Subject: Re: Commercial email ads - how to get rid of? References: <34CCB97F.1F04536B@wu-wien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 292 I don't seem to be able to post to the list (although I am trying again). According to the headers on the SPAM I received, it originated from prarienet. The reply-to was faked. I do not like SPAM, whether it's canned or electronic. Hopefully someone will get this straightened out ASAP. Holly ;-d Sigrid Stagl wrote: > > Dear friends, > Today I also received two advertisements for some kind of software, but > could not see how they come to my address. From the last email from > Oasis (Mr./Mrs. Flores) I learn that all list readers were bothered by > ads which are not related to the topic of the list at all. > I strongly object to advertisements being sent to my email and expressed > this in a message which I returned to the sender (a882ws@flash.net), but > it came back -- this means that the address given does not even exist. > (The second address was equally cryptic, but I did not bother any more > to try. b772ds ) > Not only was the list misused, it is also in my opinion unethical to > send messages from false addresses. This takes the opportunity away to > protect myself against a farther invasion of the economic into my > private life/correspondence. > If others are also bothered by these mails - how can protect ourselves > against these practices? Any ideas? > Looking forward to the next messages concerning CSAs. > Sincerely, > Sigrid > > Subject: Home Business > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:46:18 -0600 > From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) > To: CSA-L@prairienet.org > > Hi! > > I'm wondering about the ads that have been coming through. I like the > home business idea for what it is worth, but how are these > advertisements related to agriculture? > > Still looking for association of experienced vegetable gardeners. > > Sincerely, > > CJ Flores > > This was the first message which I am referring to: > > Subject: > Date: > Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:48:41 -0600 (CST) > From: > a882ws > To: > > > Authenticated sender is > Subject: Monday > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! > > Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool. > This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email > addresses. 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 11:45:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA16944 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04435 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20694; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:44:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.cfed.org (mail.cfed.org [38.246.65.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20653 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:44:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.cfed.org (38.246.65.19) by mail.cfed.org (Worldmail 1.3.167) for csa-l@prairienet.org; 26 Jan 1998 11:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980126113806.0082e250@mail.cfed.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:38:06 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Helen Payne Watt To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA in DC? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: hpayne@mail.cfed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 293 Can anyone recommend a CSA that delivers to the District of Columbia? I know of two, have tried a year at each as a shareholder, and have been somewhat disappointed in the variety and quantity of produce for my share. Maybe I was just spoiled by my three years as a shareholder at Bambi Jones' Hidden Valley Farm in Alna, Maine. In any case, please let me know if you can refer me to a local grower. If all else fails I'll visit the farmers' market sunday mornings this season - but here's one potential customer looking for a home! HINT - My surrounding neighborhoods are full of people with lots of income and the desire to support wholesome ventures through creative arrangements like CSA - plus the urban-rural dynamic has so much potential for learning and sharing - even if we are yuppies (no SUV here though...). Helen Payne Watt left,left ************************************** Helen Payne Watt, Program Associate Corporation for Enterprise Development 777 North Capitol St, NE Ste. 410 Washington DC 20002 (202)408-9788 fax(202)408-9793 helen@cfed.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 11:53:26 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA17108 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06821 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21349; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:51:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.cfed.org (mail.cfed.org [38.246.65.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21263 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:51:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.cfed.org (38.246.65.19) by mail.cfed.org (Worldmail 1.3.167) for csa-l@prairienet.org; 26 Jan 1998 12:02:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980126114407.00883b80@mail.cfed.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:44:07 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Helen Payne Watt To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Commercial email ads - how to get rid of? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: hpayne@mail.cfed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 294 >I think all we can do is ask our list administrator/manager to check her/his logs and see if they can find a real reply address - or deny anyone from those addresses future access to this listserv...can someone take this on? > left,left ************************************** Helen Payne Watt, Program Associate Corporation for Enterprise Development 777 North Capitol St, NE Ste. 410 Washington DC 20002 (202)408-9788 fax(202)408-9793 helen@cfed.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 12:03:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA17310 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10202 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22340; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:02:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22279 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:01:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26538; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA885844977; Mon, 26 Jan 98 12:00:46 EST Message-Id: <9800268858.AA885844977@smtpmail.atsva.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 12:00:46 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com To: aphoenix@spiritone.com, stagl@wu-wien.ac.at Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re[2]: Commercial email ads - how to get rid of? X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 295 I also received the ads and deleted them without reading. However, when this complaint came I quickly glanced through the ad (which was included) and noticed the company's mailing address is in Los Angeles and the info phone number is 213-980-7850. Perhaps if enough list members in or near Los Angeles (who can call without long distance charges) were to call this number and complain the company would revise its junk mailing policies. Tom Marshall From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 12:15:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA17582 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13434 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23391; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:13:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23056 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:10:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06735 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA885845517; Mon, 26 Jan 98 12:10:13 EST Message-Id: <9800268858.AA885845517@smtpmail.atsva.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 12:10:13 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA in DC? X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 296 While you're recommending, can you recommend one in northern Virginia near DC? Helen is ahead of me. I don't know of any. Tom Marshall (another "potential customer looking for a home") tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com Helen Payne Watt wrote: Can anyone recommend a CSA that delivers to the District of Columbia? I know of two, have tried a year at each as a shareholder, and have been somewhat disappointed in the variety and quantity of produce for my share. Maybe I was just spoiled by my three years as a shareholder at Bambi Jones' Hidden Valley Farm in Alna, Maine. In any case, please let me know if you can refer me to a local grower. If all else fails I'll visit the farmers' market sunday mornings this season - but here's one potential customer looking for a home! HINT - My surrounding neighborhoods are full of people with lots of income and the desire to support wholesome ventures through creative arrangements like CSA - plus the urban-rural dynamic has so much potential for learning and sharing - even if we are yuppies (no SUV here though...). Helen Payne Watt left,left ************************************** Helen Payne Watt, Program Associate Corporation for Enterprise Development 777 North Capitol St, NE Ste. 410 Washington DC 20002 (202)408-9788 fax(202)408-9793 helen@cfed.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 17:34:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA24586 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22746 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21394; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:33:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from clgrps05.agt.net (clgrps05.agt.net [198.161.156.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21134 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:29:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.209.201.200] ([204.209.201.200]) by mail.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <271793-10677>; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:28:39 -0700 Message-Id: <98Jan26.152839-0700_mst.271793-10677+374@mail.telusplanet.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 15:27:42 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Rob Gilgan To: Subject: Unwanted email ads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 297 It appears that this company in Los Angeles got access to the membership of the CSA list. I called them and they said if I'd tell them my email address, they'd take me off their list. If you read the post, they sell software to facilitate unauthorized, unsolicited email advertising. As a Canadian, I am powerless to invoke the authorities. I will deal with the company on my own behalf, but hope that many of the American CSA listers who have been vicitmized will contact American government representatives and have the matter addressed legally. Thanks for your time and interest, Rob A decision is what people make when they can't find anyone to form a committee. Robert Gilgan Box 244 Rimbey, Alberta, Canada TOC 2J0 (403) 843-6495 Read the Rimbey Review on-line at www.tamarac.com/rimrev From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 18:13:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA25272 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04797 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24811; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:11:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from uranium.nb.net (uranium.nb.net [207.113.179.33]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24657 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:08:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (squash-25.nb.net [209.60.211.125]) by uranium.nb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA16425; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <34CCD18C.6AB0@nb.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:10:20 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: William J Farley To: tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: CSA in DC? References: <9800268858.AA885845517@smtpmail.atsva.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 298 tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com wrote: > > While you're recommending, can you recommend one in northern Virginia near > DC? Helen is ahead of me. I don't know of any. Tom Marshall (another > "potential customer looking for a home") tmarshall@smtpmail.atsva.com > > Helen Payne Watt wrote: > Can anyone recommend a CSA that delivers to the District of Columbia? I know of > two, have tried a year at each as a shareholder, and have been somewhat > disappointed in the variety and quantity of produce for my share. Maybe I was > just spoiled by my three years as a shareholder at Bambi Jones' Hidden Valley > Farm in Alna, Maine. In any case, please let me know if you can refer me to a > local grower. If all else fails I'll visit the farmers' market sunday mornings > this season - but here's one potential customer looking for a home! > > HINT - My surrounding neighborhoods are full of people with lots of income and > the desire to support wholesome ventures through creative arrangements like CSA > - plus the urban-rural dynamic has so much potential for learning and sharing - > even if we are yuppies (no SUV here though...). > > Helen Payne Watt > > left,left > > ************************************** > > Helen Payne Watt, Program Associate > > Corporation for Enterprise Development > > 777 North Capitol St, NE Ste. 410 > > Washington DC 20002 (202)408-9788 fax(202)408-9793 > helen@cfed.orgHello, We are new to the list, but not to organic farming. I would be more than glad to discuss CSA with you. We have supplied a variety of resellers in the DC Farmers Markets. Fell free to contact us. Bill Farley Fran's Produce 717-573-4488 f21484@nb.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 18:19:35 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA25359 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06916 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25363; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:18:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24710 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:09:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16159 invoked from network); 26 Jan 1998 23:09:17 -0000 Received: from laf-0001-21.iquest.net (HELO sbonney) (204.95.254.213) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 1998 23:09:17 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980126180837.00796240@iquest.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:08:37 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steve Bonney To: Sigrid Stagl Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Commercial email ads - how to get rid of? In-Reply-To: <34CCB97F.1F04536B@wu-wien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: sbonney@iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id RAA24711 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 299 I get 2 to 4 per day of these "business" propositions. They are a great intrusion, but I just hit the delete button. I am disturbed by the entire issue of privacy. Evidently, our email addresses are spread around frequently when we search various sites. I don't like it! I have had every removal request bounced back to me. By the way, I have studied offers such as this for many years, and they are all scams. No one will send envelopes to have stuffed, etc. All these folks want is your enrollment fee. I the deal "looks" too good to be true, it "is". Best, Steve At 05:27 PM 1/26/98 +0100, you wrote: >Dear friends, >Today I also received two advertisements for some kind of software, but >could not see how they come to my address. From the last email from >Oasis (Mr./Mrs. Flores) I learn that all list readers were bothered by >ads which are not related to the topic of the list at all. >I strongly object to advertisements being sent to my email and expressed >this in a message which I returned to the sender (a882ws@flash.net), but >it came back -- this means that the address given does not even exist. >(The second address was equally cryptic, but I did not bother any more >to try. b772ds ) >Not only was the list misused, it is also in my opinion unethical to >send messages from false addresses. This takes the opportunity away to >protect myself against a farther invasion of the economic into my >private life/correspondence. >If others are also bothered by these mails - how can protect ourselves >against these practices? Any ideas? >Looking forward to the next messages concerning CSAs. >Sincerely, >Sigrid > >Subject: Home Business >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:46:18 -0600 >From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) >To: CSA-L@prairienet.org > >Hi! > >I'm wondering about the ads that have been coming through. I like the >home business idea for what it is worth, but how are these >advertisements related to agriculture? > >Still looking for association of experienced vegetable gardeners. > >Sincerely, > >CJ Flores > > >This was the first message which I am referring to: > >Subject: > Date: > Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:48:41 -0600 (CST) > From: > a882ws > To: > > > > > >Authenticated sender is >Subject: Monday >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! > >Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool. >This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email >addresses. 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Lafayette IN 47906 tel(765)463-9366, fax(497)0164, sbonney@iquest.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 21:33:23 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA01042 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00721 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08755; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08633 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:30:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 23943 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1998 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from laf-0001-10.iquest.net (HELO sbonney) (204.95.254.202) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 1998 02:30:00 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980126212919.0079b870@iquest.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:29:19 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steve Bonney To: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Home Business In-Reply-To: <199801261546.HAA14499@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: sbonney@iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 300 CJ, sadly, home based businesses are related to agriculture in that I hardly encounter anyone in agriculture who doesn't have to earn money off the farm in order to continue farming. As I said before, email solicitations are not bona fide business enterprises. They are only expecting a fee from you. Best, Steve At 09:46 AM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi! I'm wondering about the ads that have been coming through. I like the >home business idea for what it is worth, but how are these advertisements >related to agriculture? Still looking for association of experienced >vegetable gardeners. Sincerely, CJ Flores This yoga society arranged >a farm project to assist the unemployed. Check our website to find out >more regarding cruelty-free agrarian arts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting the Cruelty-free Survival Center! Steve Bonney Sustainable Earth a 501(c)3 rural development organization 100 Georgton Ct., W. Lafayette IN 47906 tel(765)463-9366, fax(497)0164, sbonney@iquest.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jan 26 22:36:43 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA02337 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18049 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13016; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:35:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.95]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12937 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:34:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.216]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA29942; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.08Dec97) id TAA15660; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:33:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801270333.TAA15660@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:39 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: healthy family oriented fund raising Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-793135649-1459 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 301 --WebTV-Mail-793135649-1459 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi! If farming and gardening isn't earning enough then there is opportunity simply working the net. Many sites are offering commissions for web assistance. A project for those who are unable to work elsewhere. Sincerely, CJ Flores --WebTV-Mail-793135649-1459 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: INLINE Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
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    Thank you for contacting the Cruelty-free Survival Center!
    --WebTV-Mail-793135649-1459-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jan 27 15:22:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA22054 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05090 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05361; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:18:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (0@mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.53]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05216 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:16:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by mhub3.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:16:43 -0600 Received: from pub-27-b-210.dialup.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:16:42 -0600 Message-Id: <34ce40ab0cb8005@mhub3.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:16:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Brendan J. Taaffe" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Brendan J. Taaffe" To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Seeking Accounting and tax information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 302 I am looking to start a CSA operation in southern Vermont this season, and would like to become more informed about accounting and farm taxes that I may make intelligent choices. If anyone knows of pertinent resources, I would appreciate it. -Brendan Taaffe Brendan.J.Taaffe-1@tc.umn.edu P.O.Box 368 Shrewsbury, Vt 05738 =========================================== Brendan Taaffe DREAMS Child Development Project 710 East 23th Street, Suite 308 Minneapolis, MN 55405 612-627-1861 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 28 09:32:43 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA15009 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09795 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04577; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:31:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04529 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:30:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcf74.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.228]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18075 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980128103502.2a17a044@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:37 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Seeking Accounting and tax information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 303 At 02:16 PM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >I am looking to start a CSA operation in southern Vermont this season, and would >like to become more informed about accounting and farm taxes that I may make >intelligent choices. If anyone knows of pertinent resources, I would appreciate >it. Brian -- I'm not sure that I understand your question. Are you looking for a farm to join *and* for information that will help you figure out which farm to join, based on their budgets and accounting? Sarah From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jan 28 11:38:55 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA18065 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14767 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13239; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:37:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13112 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1024200f.34cf5c6b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:27:21 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311 To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: sorry about this.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 304 I need to unsubscribe for awhile. I am leaving as soon as I send this message. I saved the instructions, but my files were corrupted, so I no longer have the instructions. Sorry :-( Wendy WSM311@AOL.COM From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jan 29 00:01:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA08018 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27843 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08216; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:59:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08058 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:57:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA07919 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24630 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:57:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:57:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: labeling (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 305 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:10:46 -0600 From: Kathryn Gilje To: london@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: labeling To whom it may concern, Labeling products to indicate the sustainability of their production, processing and distribution is potentially a powerful means toward driving more ecologically sound, socially just and regionally-based development. Recently there has been a surge of interest in these ecolabels, social labels and regional labels as ways to differentiate products in the market place. The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy is developing a United States and International Directory of label groups, label advocates and related organizations. The directory is being compiled on the world wide web and will also be available in hard copy once it is complete. The directory can be found on the web at http://www.iatp.org/labels. If you or your organization would like to be included, please copy the attached form, fill it out, and email it back to kgilje@iatp.org. If you have questions, contact Kathryn Gilje at +01/612/870/3422. This form can also be faxed to +01/612/870/4846. If you know of a group that should be included, please email kgilje@iatp.org with your suggestion. Thank you very much. We hope this proves to be a valuable resource for those interested in labeling issues. Best, Kathryn Gilje Name: Organization: Address: Phone: Fax: Email: web site: Description of the project/organization: From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 14:09:49 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA00467 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10123 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07504; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:08:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from wakko.efn.org (wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07442 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:07:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from DialupEudora (srialpop@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06449 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:16:38 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: wgfarm@efn.org (Mary Jo Wade) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Web Pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: wgfarm@mailhost.efn.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 306 Hi, We are a 100 member, 7th year CSA in Oregon who looking at doubling our CSA this year. We are thinking about setting up a web page and are looking for advice. Who out there has a web page we can look at? Is there a handy directory of CSA web pages on the net? What links are important to have? Have CSA's found web pages to be helpful and important? For marketing? Is it worth it? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks much. Jack Gray From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 14:21:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA00688 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13606 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08365; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:20:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.clarityconnect.com (mail.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08289 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:19:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from cramer.clarityconnect.com (206.114.171.49) by mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:21:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130142436.01b8f22c@clarityconnect.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:24:36 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Craig Cramer To: wgfarm@efn.org (Mary Jo Wade) Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Web Pages In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cdcramer@clarityconnect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 307 I'd start with the csa-l webpage at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html You might also explore some of the links from our Growing for Market page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/growmark/home.htm If you run into any good direct marketing and csa links in your travels, please pass them my way. Best of luck with your page. Craig At 12:16 PM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, We are a 100 member, 7th year CSA in Oregon who looking at doubling our >CSA this year. We are thinking about setting up a web page and are looking >for advice. Who out there has a web page we can look at? Is there a handy >directory of CSA web pages on the net? What links are important to have? >Have CSA's found web pages to be helpful and important? For marketing? Is >it worth it? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks much. Jack >Gray > > > Craig Cramer mailto:cdcramer@clarityconnect.com Sustainable Farming Connection -- "Where farmers find and share information." http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection "The water will never clear up 'til you get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 14:31:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA00916 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16598 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09287; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:30:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09245 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:30:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA24486; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com(207.88.156.10) by ns-1.macromedia.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024447; Fri, 30 Jan 98 11:29:32 -0800 Received: from phoebe.macromedia.com (phoebe.macromedia.com [192.168.64.10]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21164; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.41.171] ([192.168.41.171]) by phoebe.macromedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23994; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:35:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:33:11 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Peter Fenczik To: wgfarm@efn.org (Mary Jo Wade), csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Web Pages In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: pfenczik@smpo.macromedia.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 308 Hi there, I think one of more interesting sites is Eatwell Farms (http://www.eatwell.com/). They have a page of links to other farms in their community section (includes an email link to your farm). Prairenet has a list of CSAs with web pages (http://www.prairenet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html). I'm working on a similar project for a CSA that I'm a member of and would also like to hear how other farms have approached building web sites and if they are useful. Thanks, Peter Fenczik At 12:16 PM -0800 1/30/98, Mary Jo Wade wrote: >Hi, We are a 100 member, 7th year CSA in Oregon who looking at doubling our >CSA this year. We are thinking about setting up a web page and are looking >for advice. Who out there has a web page we can look at? Is there a handy >directory of CSA web pages on the net? What links are important to have? >Have CSA's found web pages to be helpful and important? For marketing? Is >it worth it? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks much. Jack >Gray From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 16:00:51 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA03604 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13950 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16287; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:59:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16205; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:58:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jbarclay@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03534; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:58:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:58:27 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: Mary Jo Wade Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Web Pages In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 309 I've listed all the CSA web pages I know of at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 16:53:23 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA04967 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00698 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19966; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:51:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.interhop.net (root@mail.interhop.net [204.50.138.29]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19882 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:50:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from pppA18.oakv.interhop.net (pppA18.oakv.interhop.net [207.107.38.115]) by mail.interhop.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20637 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:50:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801302150.QAA20637@mail.interhop.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:50:28 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eppinger To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: CSA / organic store near Buffalo NY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: leppinger@interhop.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 310 We operate a CSA near Guelph, Ontario. A cousin of mine just moved to East Aurora NY (Buffalo) and is desperately looking for a CSA to join and an orhanic market to shop at. Can anyone help with some information ? thanks, Lorenz / Switch Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 18:30:06 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA07799 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29427 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26767; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:25:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from milhouse.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [206.30.88.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26731 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:24:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([208.138.96.27]) by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 141-39833U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA231; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:24:34 -0500 Message-Id: <34D21B3D.241F@webcity-development.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:26:06 +0000 Reply-To: janesherry@webcity-development.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jane Sherry To: csa-l@prairienet.org Cc: fullcircle@jps.net Subject: Rumors... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 311 Marcie- So sorry to hear about your scary health episodes. Please please give yourself a break & rest!!! Learn to delegate. I don't know you, but your "Your Week's Worth" posts got me through a tough winter last year when I moved back to the city from the Catskill Mountains. I read with longing every list of exotic names-chiogga beets, Rouge Vif D'Temps, Fuji apples-- & your cheerful suggestions each week & it gave me hope to look forward to the spring when the CSA I once belonged to would have things coming up from the ground once again. So please, for those of us who value you long distance, rest & nourish yourself. Take some time to regather your strength. Write up recipes. Be Well. Jane Sherry Member of Roxbury CSA in NYC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MARCIEROSE@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Rumors of my death have been only slightly exaggerated. For those of you who > don't know, after emergency room visits in July, September and November, I > was hospitalized in ICU on a ventilator for a near-fatal asthma attack just > after Christmas. This will explain, but not excuse the lack of a Seasons > Greetings to you all, and the silence at the other end of message left on > email and our answer machine. I am working my way through the incredible > backlog and will honor my obligations to each of you. > > I am grateful to be able to report I am once again vertical, but it will be a > long road back. Instead of being able to do 10 things at once, I'm capable > of doing only about 2, and the projections are for my eventually being able > to do only 6. But, hey, it beats the hell out of the alternative! From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 19:02:45 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA09306 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07059 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29121; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:58:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29094 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:58:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08948 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:58:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801302358.SAA08948@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:17 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Web Pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 312 Just happen to have just this week almost finished a complete top-to-bottom rework of my website! Happy reading, but please observe copyright laws. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/agrove1.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 19:16:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA09665 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10409 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00577; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:14:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00542 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:13:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09591 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:13:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801310013.TAA09591@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:04:39 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: CSA / organic store near Buffalo NY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 313 Tell them to try their local Cooperative Extension office. If the agents there don't know of formal CSAs they should at least be able to direct your friend to a local contact person for the Buffalo chapter of the Northeast Organic Farming Association. I do know that somebody in that area was doing a CSA several years ago but haven't heard from him for a while. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Jan 30 13:15:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA29064 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23766 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03095; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:14:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (mrin51.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.161]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02970 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:12:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA15124; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:02:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <980130130254_-1735015260@mrin51.mx> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:02:54 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com To: igg@igg.com, BD-l@biodynamics.com, beer@cncnet.com, csa-l@prairienet.org, dlvisher@ucdavis.edu, organic@eatwell.com, ffo@together.net, ben1@axe.humboldt.edu, BugLuvGirl@aol.com, twisted@teleport.com, nag1@cornell.edu, BlueCat@psyber.com, VolkerWitt@aol.com, woodm@nicanor.acu.edu, jswansn@alaska.net, geveerkamp@ucdavis.edu, veerkamp@netshel.net, campbell@psyber.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu, korr@cdpr.ca.gov, mkorr@ix.netcom.com, gkouis@jps.net, lkohler@pacbell.net, pjy666@macconnect.com, Valorie@pacbell.net, kfelch@ns.net, HTBale@psyber.com, kmargo@inforum.net Subject: Rumors of my death... X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 314 Dear Friends, Rumors of my death have been only slightly exaggerated. For those of you who don't know, after emergency room visits in July, September and November, I was hospitalized in ICU on a ventilator for a near-fatal asthma attack just after Christmas. This will explain, but not excuse the lack of a Seasons Greetings to you all, and the silence at the other end of message left on email and our answer machine. I am working my way through the incredible backlog and will honor my obligations to each of you. I am grateful to be able to report I am once again vertical, but it will be a long road back. Instead of being able to do 10 things at once, I'm capable of doing only about 2, and the projections are for my eventually being able to do only 6. But, hey, it beats the hell out of the alternative! Two things: We are looking for an experienced apprentice/working partner for this season - who can take some of the physical load off me, and is willing to learn the management part as well as the horticulture on a micro-farm with a 50 member CSA. Room, some shared meals, big learnign opportunity, and a small stipend. We are so totally tired of paying to download sleazy spam, we are quitting aol. Our new address is fullcicle@jps.net Warmly, Marcie A. Rosenzweig Full Circle Organic Farm Auburn, CA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 2 18:19:30 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27275 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08323 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20591; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:13:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.170]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20551 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:13:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from GIFTCAL@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id BRJMa29748 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:13:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:13:28 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: GIFTCAL@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: start-up CSA in central Maryland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 315 Hello all: I am new to this group and have a few technical questions to ask and an offer to make to anyone out there in my area interested in joining a CSA for the 1998 season. As part of our farms diversified sales approach we are starting a small CSA for 1998. Currently we sell most of our certified organic produce at farmers markets and to area health food stores. The problem comes in finding people who want to be involved. We had fliers advertising our plans at our 1997 markets, in the health food stores and only got 7 interested individuals. We then put an add in our local paper but that only got a few more people. I am not interested in spending any more money in advertising at this point and I feel we need about 20 serious inquiries in order to make a go of it. Any ideas? or if anyone is interested in joining our CSA please contact us and I will send out information. Thanks From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 3 08:51:28 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA19276 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25533 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA00361; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:44:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00301 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:44:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-37kb69o.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.153.56]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29073 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:44:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980203094827.2b5f59ee@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:44:08 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: start-up CSA in central Maryland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 316 > The problem comes in >finding people who want to be involved. We had fliers advertising our plans >at our 1997 markets, in the health food stores and only got 7 interested >individuals. We then put an add in our local paper but that only got a few >more people. I am not interested in spending any more money in advertising at >this point Have you tried speaking with church pastors and/or school principals, or other community leaders? You might be able to generate more intereset from a concentrated group of people who are already connected with one another, and slide shows or personal presentations by you to groups of parents (or church members, or whomever) could be an effective way for people to "meet their farmer" and learn about the CSA idea. If you do approach community leaders to set up such events, bring your brochure or other printed material you have so that they can show it to others. The seven interested members that you have may have some good suggestions for groups you could contact. By the way, what's your name? And where's your farm? How far to the nearest city? Sarah Milstein Coordinator of CSA Programs, Just Food 625 Broadway, Suite 9C New York, NY 10012 212/674.8124 x109 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 3 19:07:45 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA01717 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16364 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06414; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:51:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.emapnet.com (mail.emapnet.com [208.226.206.9]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06386 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:50:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ron ([208.226.206.16]) by mail1.emapnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-17720) with SMTP id AAA180 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:35:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980203214627.32ffbc60@208.226.206.9> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:46:27 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Ron Cusano To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Looking For Members Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: trader@208.226.206.9 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 317 Hi all! We are a new CSA in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, and we are looking for members. Our CSA provides vocational opportunities for those who are developmentally disabled, and we are not-for-profit. Anyone interest, please contact me. Our second meeting is this Saturday, Feb7th. Ron Cusano Greenery Farms CSA c/o Developmentally Disabled Institute (516) 360-4644 trader@emapnet.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 3 19:14:41 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA02072 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17951 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05878; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:44:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.emapnet.com (mail.emapnet.com [208.226.206.9]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05840 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:44:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ron ([208.226.206.16]) by mail1.emapnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-17720) with SMTP id AAA230 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:29:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980203214012.3f2f013e@208.226.206.9> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:40:12 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Ron Cusano To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: New CSA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: trader@208.226.206.9 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 318 Hi Sarah! I manage a new CSA on Long Island, and we are looking for members. I was told that you could possible help put us in touch with folks in NYC that are looking for a CSA. We have the means to deliver to the city. Our CSA provides jobs for people who are developmentally disabled. I would appriciate any help you could give us. Have a great week! Ron Cusano Greenery Farms CSA Div. of Developmentally Disabled Institute A Not-For-Profit Agency. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 3 21:50:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA05070 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26893 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27112; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:36:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27059 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:35:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA04820 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA05000 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:35:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:35:39 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: USDA-CREES Small Farm Resource Guide (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 319 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:42:13 GMT From: Small Farm Owner We have nearly completed compiling the 1998 "Small Farm Resource Guide." This guide will augment the resources available to small farmers and people that work with the small farm community. We need your To: Multiple Recipients of the List ORGANIZATIONS, SMALL FARM RELATED WEBSITES, PUBLICATIONS, VIDEOTAPES, with information relevant to small farms and other materials that can enhance the economic viability and quality of life within the small farm community. If you have any information you would like to submit, please send it by e-mail to: sfp@reeusda.gov or fax it to 202-401-5179 on or before FEBRUARY 13, 1998. If you have already sent your information to us, you do not need to resubmit. We have already compiled about 160 pages of information, but we can expand the guide if you have any additional information, you would like us to consider. We especially need to make sure our list of small farm organizations is complete. Some examples of the kinds of organizations that we want to include are: Land Loss Prevention Project, New England Small Farm Institute, Small Farm Today, Federation of Southern Cooperatives, Rural Coalition, Arkansas Land and Farm Dev. Corp, the Small Farm Programs at the land grant institutions, other universities, and other public and private sectors. If you have suggestions, please let us know. We also want to list organizations that are not specifically small farm organizations but have grants/beginning farmer programs or information to offer the small farm community. Examples include: Center for Rural Affairs, Farm Foundation, W. K. Kellogg Foundation, SARE, the National Agricultural Library, Pennsylvania Farm Link, ATTRA, Missouri Alternatives Center, The Leopold Center, Metro-Farm, Organic Associations, State Departments of Agriculture, and others. When the guide is completed in late February, it will be posted on our website at: http://www.reeusda.gov/smallfarm. It will also be available in hardcopy. If you would like to receive a hardcopy at no cost, please send your name and mailing address to: sfp@reeusda.gov Example of format to be submitted: PROGRAM DESCRIPTION: Please send name, address, fax, e-mail, and website address of the organization. Write a description of 100 words or less of the types of programs and services that are available through this organization-- i.e. farm management modules, marketing strategies, grants available, beginning farmer programs and others. PUBLICATIONS: Please send name of publication, order number, price, and where it can be obtained. VIDEOTAPES: Please send name of video, order number, price, and where it can be obtained. SMALL FARM WEBSITES: Please send the website addresses of small farm organizations, small acreage, vegetable garden, etc to: sfp@reeusda.gov or by fax to 202-401-5179 Please accept my apology for this lengthy message. If you have any questions, I can be reached by calling: 202-401-4385 Thanks! Denis Ebodaghe National Program Leader Small Farms USDA-CSREES Phone:202-401-4385 Fax: 202-401-5179 E-mail: debodaghe@reeusda.gov -- To Subscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- subscribe smallfarm To Unsubscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- unsubscribe smallfarm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Feb 4 18:53:11 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA24703 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14793 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14326; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:49:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from merlin.rtpnc.epa.gov (merlin.rtpnc.epa.gov [134.67.208.148]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14237 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:48:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from RT-MAIL2.RTPTOK.EPA.GOV by epamail.epa.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #22480) with SMTP id <0ENVOHA26004UM@epamail.epa.gov> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from RTPMAINHUB-Message_Server by RT-MAIL2.RTPTOK.EPA.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:45:48 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:06:14 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: KARL ARNE To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Promoting CSAs MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id RAA14243 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 320 CSAs near larger cities may be able to pick up members at agencies whose purpose are to protect the environment or human health: Regional Offices of the Environmental Protection Agency; State Departments of Ecology; Departments of Health, and so on. Subscribing to a CSA gives them an opportunity to promote an agricultural system that is attractive not only because of the good, well-grown food but because of the environmental advantages and the potential for CSAs to generate some needed thinking about sustainable communities. I work in the Pesticide Section of EPA*s Region 10 Office in Seattle. In 1996, I invited Bob Gregson, who with his wife Bonnie operates Island Meadow Farm on Vashon Island, to visit EPA and describe and how they can make a living off a few acres. (The Gregsons have written a good and practical little book on CSAs: *The Rebirth of the Family Farm*). Bob started by asking the group of about 40 EPA employees how many would like to be farmers. More than half raised their hands. It struck me that one reason people join CSAs is to somewhat vicariously live out dreams to be farmers. And this desire is likely stronger in people who work all day in offices and also have some responsibility for promoting environmental or human health protection. They can see that CSAs are accomplishing this in a very real way that has not and could not happen through laws, regulations, and the other tools of bureaucracy. Last year I arranged for several CSAs to come on one day over lunchtime to promote their operations, sort of a CSA fair. This helped EPA employees to get to know CSA farmers, and several at this office have joined CSAs (there are many that serve the Seattle area). I don*t think anyone has been disappointed. They perhaps have been puzzled at times over what to do with bok choy or tomatillas, but overall pleased with the fresh, good-tasting food. Some join because they want organic food, some because they see the economic and environmental advantages of local agriculture, and some join because of the satisfaction of supporting, for example, Seattle*s Rainier Vista Sunrise Garden, which is operated by seven immigrant Vietnamese families. The point is this: these agencies provide a potential source of CSA members in one (hopefully) convenient location in a city. A CSA might be able to efficiently deliver several shares to this one location, and at the same time gain some valuable allies in promoting local agriculture. I encourage those of you who operate CSAs to foster connections with agencies and other organizations whose employees or members might naturally tend toward supporting CSAs. Private and Academic organizations might also be worth contacting. The Center for the Biology of Natural Systems at Queens College or other such academic groups are possibilities. This is not to rule out trying to make connections with more traditional and business oriented organizations, but to focus efforts where there is the best possibility of a ready customer. Success in the long run will be the slow, steady growth of local agriculture so that someday the local countryside will provide a substantial portion of the food for a city. It may be a while before a CSA makes deliveries to employees at the headquarters of Archer-Daniels-Midlands, but it*s worth working towards. Karl Arne From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 5 08:49:11 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA01567 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19056 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23732; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:46:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23703 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:46:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802051346.HAA23703@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:35:39 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: "CSA List" Subject: CSA newsletter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 321 A mailing for "The Community Farm" has gone out, announcing the newsletter and asking for subscriptions. If you haven't received one and would like to, email us your address and we will get one right out.The first issue will be sent in May with a theme of "Keeping Community" (membership retention, you know?) Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 5 09:22:05 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA02103 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29404 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25992; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:20:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.cfed.org (mail.cfed.org [38.246.65.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25964 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:19:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.cfed.org (38.246.65.19) by mail.cfed.org (Worldmail 1.3.167) for csa-l@prairienet.org; 5 Feb 1998 09:32:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980205091405.0088fc60@mail.cfed.org> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:14:05 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Helen Payne Watt To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Promoting CSAs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: hpayne@mail.cfed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 322 In the same vein...most cities have a concentration of nonprofit groups which usually employ progressive people who are thoughtful and realize that each dollar they spend is a vote for an economic system. Here's another "captive" market. left,left ************************************** Helen Payne Watt, Program Associate Corporation for Enterprise Development 777 North Capitol St, NE Ste. 410 Washington DC 20002 (202)408-9788 fax(202)408-9793 helen@cfed.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 5 09:26:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA02187 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00471 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26379; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:23:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26348 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:23:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13691 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from MERLINFR (clifford-223.wcl.on.ca [207.81.101.223]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA24830 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802051429.JAA24830@mail.hurontel.on.ca> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:29:10 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Merlin Von Frankenberg To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: merlinvf@mail.wcl.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 323 hi, this is our first entry to this list,and hopefully gets received well. Circle sun Farm farm is located south of the bruce -peninsula ON. A bio-dyn dairyfarm for 10 jears,200 ac.2 farmhouses, well established setting. We are trying to adjust to a new lifesituation (health) Therefore the farm is for rent to a "livestockenthusiast" Circle sun farm could stand for C.S.F.as well. We have the "sun" for sharing and the farm for caring,but to complete the circle we need the community. Our offer to you includes 30jears exp. in biodynamics,gardening,animal husbandry,art ... In the future learning-teaching relations will be our main focus. let me hear from you soon. joe and maria von frankenberg rr1 elmwood n0g 1s0 ON From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 7 20:22:51 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA07976 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13944 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28670; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:19:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24478 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:44:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20981 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:44:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802080044.TAA20981@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:37:15 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Disappearing CSA Workshop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 324 To the CSA-L readership: here's the post I just sent to the folks who were promoting a CSA workshop in Ithaca and another in California, originally a two-day romp at $85: I can't imagine what your motivation was to jump me through this hoop, but I just got back from the 100-mile round trip to 401 Warren Hall where they never heard of your workshop or you at the hall or at the Cornell information desk where all meetings are supposed to be registered. I don't know if this was a scam from the beginning or just the result of colossal incompetence but hoo boy am I glad I didn't send you people a check in advance. Don't bother me with any empty apologies; if you want me to take an apology seriously you can accompany it with a $100 check to reimburse me for the travel expenses and day of overtime wages I lost on this nonsense. And yes you can bet your bonnet I'm posting a copy of this to CSA-L. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html ---------- > From: ETrust@aol.com > To: funfarm@servtech.com > Subject: CSA workshop > Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:53 AM > > Dori, > > We received your fax. > > The format for the Gaining Ground workshop in Ithaca has changed a little. > It will be a one day event, held on Saturday Feburary 7th from 10:00 a.m. > until sometime in the evening. The cost has been lowered to $45 not > including meals, but we've been telling folks to pay what they can afford. > > We'll be discussing options for obtaining long-term land security and > affordable financing. > > The meeting will be held on the Cornell University campus in 401 Warren Hall. > > Please let us know if you're still interested in attending. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Kilb > Equity Trust From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 7 21:42:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA08566 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11852 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04259; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:29:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02452 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:07:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from Mizzou-AS10-35.missouri.edu (Mizzou-AS10-35.missouri.edu [128.206.209.227]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA107142 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:04:11 -0600 Message-Id: <34DD3C6A.6388@tmn.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:02:35 -0800 Reply-To: hunger@tmn.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "William E. Dellinger" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: error? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 I received an e-mail that I had been unsubscribed from csa-l. I did not send an e-mail requesting this however. What happened? From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 7 23:50:24 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA09465 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15613 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10961; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:46:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10926 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:45:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from dante15.u.washington.edu (maclark@dante15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.41]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id UAA28204; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:45:48 -0800 Received: from localhost (maclark@localhost) by dante15.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id UAA37446; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:45:48 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:45:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "M. Clark" To: jengel@laplaza.org, SCook21809@aol.com, David.Stallings@metrokc.gov, dcole@silverlink.net, miles@wsu.edu, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Organic Regulations- How to Comment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 326 TO ORGANIC FOOD CUSTOMERS: from Margaret Clark, former Town and Country Organic Produce Manager The US Department of Agriculture has released proposed regulations for Organic Foods. The USDA is now in a formal comment period, which is as close as we get to democratic participation in the administrative rule-making process. It is very very important that everyone who sees themselves affected by these regulations speak up now. The USDA is accepting comments on the rule on a Website: http://www.ams.usda/nop The site also contains a copy of the proposed rule and the NOSB recommendations. You can view comments posted by others, by category. They have received thousands of comments. Because of this they have extended the comment period to May 1st. Four public hearings on the rule will be held nationally, and one will be in Seattle on Thursday, February 26, at the Seattle Center Rainier Room, from 9 AM to 4PM. You must pre-register to testify, and will be limited to speak for 5 minutes. You may register on line with the Webmaster at the site above, or by calling Karen Thomas at the USDA/NOP, 202-720-3252. As you may know, these rules have been a long time coming, as the statute that enables them, The Organic Foods Production Act (OFPA), was passed in 1990. I was on the original National Organic Standards Board (NOSB), which was appointed to make recommendations to USDA on the regulations. We spent over 2 years taking and analyzing public comments in the formulation of our recommendations, which were submitted to them in August of 1994. In addition, a great deal of time was spent in research to enable us to make informed recommendations on The National List, which outlines what substances can and cannot be used in organic production. The responsibility for the List was given to the NOSB under OFPA. The proposed rule is a great disappointment to most of us who have worked with organic certification for years. The standards it would allow include practices and substances which have never been allowed in organic production, and which contradict the recommendations of the NOSB. The recommendations are so deficient in so many areas that rather than try to fix it, so USDA can issue a Final Rule in the near future, both the Organic Trade Association and the Committee for Sustainable Agriculture have called on USDA to withdraw the rule. Some of the problems with the proposed rule are that it would allow for: Genetically modified organisms, municipal sewage sludge and food irradiation in organic food production Weakening of standards for pesticide residues Use of processing aids not approved by the NOSB Use of hormones and antibiotics in livestock USDA proposes to collect $500,000. in fees from organic farmers and handlers to run a program in Washington D.C. staffed with 14 people, to accredit 45 certification agencies, with site visits every 5 years. The largest certification organizations in the country, which inspect several hundred farms and processors each year, do not have anything near this sort of budget or staff. No provision has been made for meaningful participation of experts experienced in organic production and certification to participate in the site evaluations. This was called The Peer Review Panel in the OFPA. What was envisioned as a public/private partnership at the time of OFPAa passage is now looking like it has been taken captive by interests who would like to ride free on the integrity of an organic label. No organic producers I know are interested in using GMOs, irradiation or sewage sludge, any more than consumers are interested in eating it. But if they have to compete with companies who do use those things, and are not allowed to tell you on their label how they are different, you will not be able to know what you are buying. The rule has a number of provisions which would restrict the types of label claims that can be made, and the types of criticisms which could be made of the USDA program. There are number of lawsuits and state laws now which would make it a crime to say bad things about food. (Oprah and the cattle industry.) The FDA seems to support this type of restriction in not requiring labeling of GMOs and hardly allowing labels to say they dont use GMOs. (like bovine growth hormone.) The Organic Trade Association has a Website with their latest comments on the rule: http://www.ota.com I will be posting my further comments to an e-mail list. If you want to be included, please send me a message at maclark@u.washington.edu. Additionally, a public discussion of the regulation, sponsored by Seattle Tilth and Puget Consumers Coops, will be held at the Good Shepherd Center, Senior Center, on February 19th at 7:30 PM. I will be speaking, as will Miles Mc Evoy from the Washington Dept, of Agricultures Organic Program. Please use these opportunities to speak out. Organic food production is hard work. Farmers and producers are doing us a public service. The existing certification programs are doing a great job, with limited resources. They need support and appreciation, not more fees and poor standards. Thank you. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Feb 8 02:18:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA10621 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16752 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16635; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:14:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16597 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:13:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from [130.126.26.176] (archbald-52.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.26.176]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03189 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:13:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:16:32 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA-L Administative Notes In-Reply-To: <34DD3C6A.6388@tmn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 327 CSA-L Subscribers, When I clean up the list, I delete subscribers whose mail has bounced frequently. I do adds and deletes once a month more or less. Deleting mail that bounces lightens the load on the listserve and its hard to tell if someone has abandonded an account or just has a full mailbox. Sorry for the inconvenience. In the future, please post these types of administrative concerns to myself and not the entire list. Likewise, if anyone is having trouble unsubscribing, subscribing, or other stuff that is covered in the FAQ posting, please email me directly. I'll resend the FAQ and I would encourage everone to keep it in their mailbox or print it out and save it for when they want to unsubscribe for vacation or permanently. For those of you who are active on the world wide web, you might just bookmark the FAQ at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html By doing this you will accomplish three things: - lighten traffic on the list - lighten my workload - share the responsibility for making the list work Thanks, John Barclay, jbarclay@prairienet.org >I received an e-mail that I had been unsubscribed from csa-l. I did not >send an e-mail requesting this however. What happened? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Feb 8 02:21:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA10676 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17199 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16837; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:18:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16806 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:18:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from [130.126.26.176] (archbald-52.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.26.176]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03294 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:18:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:21:47 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA-L FAQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 328 I haven't made any changes to the FAQ in a while so please send any corrections you see to me. One new thing of interest I noticed was that an online list of CSAs is now on the CSANA web pages at: http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA John --------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions for CSA-L Networking List (available at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html) 1. What is CSA-L? 2. What is Community Supported Agriculture? 3. How do I subscribe to CSA-L? 4. How do I unsubscribe to CSA-L? 5. What is appropriate to post to CSA-L? 6. How do I post to CSA-L? 7. Who subscribes to CSA-L? 8. Where can I find archives of CSA-L? 9. How can I find a CSA where I live? 10. What are some useful CSA organizations? 11. What are some good books, articles, and videos of CSA? 12. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web. ******************************************************* 1. WHAT IS CSA-L? The e-mail list "CSA-L@prairienet.org" is for networking on Community Supported Agriculture. We hope to see discussions on goals, distribution styles, outreach tools, member retention, educational work, connections with non-CSA organizations, etc. We also would like to see the exchange of newsletter articles and information about resources on CSA such as networking organizations, books, journals, videos, audio tapes from conferences, speaker tours of interest to CSAs, etc. In short, we would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of as many CSA's as possible to help the CSA movement grow and strengthen! The listowners are John Barclay (jbarclay@prairienet.org) of Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois and Sarah Milstein (milstein@pipeline.com) of Just Food in New York, New York. ******************************************************* 2. What is Community Supported Agricutlure Community Supported Agriculture is a partnership between farmers and consumers. In CSA, consumers buy products directly from the farm, and pay for them in advance. Farmers do their best to produce sufficient quantity and quality of fresh, nutritious food for their customers' needs and palates. In some CSAs, people pay in advance to support a farm for a season. In return, these 'shareholders' or 'sharers' receive a share of whatever the farm has ready to harvest each week. In other CSAs, also called subscription farms, people subscribe to a share of a given value, prepaying monthly or quarterly. Although the size of subscription shares don't change throughout the year, the content varies with the season. CSA gives non-farmers a chance to get more involved in producing and distributing their own food. Farms sponsor tours, workdays, and even 'workshares' to bring shareholders out to the farm. CSAs also often ask shareholders to help deliver shares, sponsor drop-off sites, manage shareholder lists, write newsletters, and more ******************************************************* 2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname Lastname" in the message. Put your first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname and omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. ******************************************************* 3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "unsubscribe CSA-L" in the message. Omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. If this doesn't work, send an e-mail to jbarclay@prairienet.org and I will unsubscribe you. ******************************************************* 4. WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO POST TO CSA-L? All messages should meet the following criteria: -> Messages should be related to the purpose of the list. -> Messages should have a clear subject heading. -> Messages between individuals should not go to the entire list unless the information in them may be of interest to the list. -> Messages should include a good signature which includes your name, any organization that you represent, and where you are located geographically. -> Questions that are answered in the Frequently Asked Questions Postings (FAQs) should be avoided. These guidelines are to improve the quality and effectiveness of the list as a networking tool. As the number of subscribers to the list grows, the success of the list will depend on the quality of our postings. ******************************************************* 5. HOW DO I POST TO CSA-L? To post a message to the whole list, send it to CSA-L@prairienet.org In order to post to CSA-L, you must be subscribed to the list and send the message from the account name that you are subscribed on. In other words, If you have several e-mail accounts or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you subscribed from. ******************************************************* 6. WHO SUBSCRIBES TO CSA-L? Over 200 farmers, CSA members, students studying CSA, and other interested parties from around the world. To get a list of the subscribers send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "recipients CSA-L" in the body and a current list will be sent to you. Some subscriber biographies are available on the CSA-L web page. ******************************************************* 7. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA-L? On the world wide web at: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ ******************************************************* 8. HOW CAN I FIND A CSA WHERE I LIVE? CSANA has an online listing of CSAs at: http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA Call the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association toll-free CSA/BDA Consumer Hot Line (1-800-516-7797) to request a free list of the CSA/BDA farms and/or gardens in your state. CSA West is a resource for finding CSAs on the west coast of the U.S., especially California. (408/459-3964). They have an online listing of CSAs at: ******************************************************* 9. WHAT ARE SOME USEFUL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL RESOURCE ORGANIZATIONS ON CSA? CSA OF NORTH AMERICA (CSANA), founded by the recently deceased Robyn Van En, will be one of the lead organizations in the Northeast CSA Conference, scheduled for January 1998. Tel: 413.528.4374. http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA THE BIODYNAMIC FARMING AND GARDENING ASSOCIATION, Inc. is a major promoter of CSA in North America, especially in the Northeast. Located in Kimberton, PA, the Association publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, sponsors a CSA conference every winter and maintains a large and remarkably comprehensive database of established CSAs in North America. On request, the Association will provide a list of CSAs for any given area. They also sell Louise's Leaves. They can be reached at 1.800.516.7797 or PO Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19442. http://www.biodynamics.com/. EQUITY TRUST, INC. is a community development organization that has created a revolving-loan fund for CSAs to acquire and develop agricultural land with appropriate conservation easements and/or other tenure arrangements that serve both farmers and communities. Their Fund for Conservation and Community Supported Agriculture allows investors to make unusually safe, flexible financial investments that support progressive social change. Equity Trust also provides technical assistance and advises CSAs on lend tenure issues. Equity Trust can be reached at 539 Beach Pond Road, Voluntown, CT 06384. Tel: 860.376.6174. JUST FOOD. Just Food is building connections between urban communities and regional small farms. During the 1996-97 season, we were instrumental in enabling six new CSAs to begin delivery in New York City. For the 1997-98 season, Just Food will be focusing on low-income residents' access to CSA. We are not a core group, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU, AND WE CAN HELP YOUR CSA TAKE ROOT AND GROW IN THE CITY. Contact Sarah Milstein or Kathy Lawrence, at any point & with any questions: 290 Riverside Drive, #15D, New York, NY 10025-5287; Tel: 212/666.2168; Fax: 212.531.4849; Email: milstein@pipeline.com CSA WEST. CSA West was founded to expand the CSA movement by offering regional information to farmers, prospective and current CSA members, the media, student/interns, and related non-profit organizations. CSA projects are very much the product of a grassroots movement, where farmers and other CSA organizers swap information among themselves. We strive to expand this exchange of new ideas, tried-and-true practices, and helpful tips on running CSAs among new, old, and potential participants in the western United States. csawest@caff.org. 916-756-8518, extension 27; fax: 916-756-7857 US mail: CAFF, PO Box 363, Davis, CA 95617. http://www.caff.org/caff/programs/ MADISON AREA CSA COALITION (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ******************************************************* 10. WHAT ARE SOME GOOD BOOKS, ARTICLES, AND VIDEOS OF CSA? FARMS OF TOMORROW: COMMUNITY SUPPORTED FARMS, FARM SUPPORTED COMMUNITIES, by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden. Although published in 1990 -- only five years into the CSA movement in this country -- the book is still relevant today. With a section on the troubled relationship between modern agriculture, environment, people and food, plus profiles of seven CSAs that are beginning to address these problems, it's a very readable and useful work. Farms of Tomorrow is available from the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association (see above). A new version will be published later this year. COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE. . . MAKING THE CONNECTION. A 1995 HANDBOOK FOR PRODUCERS. Presented by University of California Cooperative Extension Placer County and Small Farm Center, UC Davis. 198 pages ** binder format. MAKING THE CONNECTION pulls together the experience of many innovative projects. While describing the diversity of CSA, this handbook for producers also addresses common questions and concerns including: What is CSA?, Developing a CSA, Finding and keeping members, Production for CSA, Managing the shares. $25. Contact UC Cooperative Extension at 916-889-7385 for ordering information or on the CSA-L web page or e-mail ceplacer@ucdavis.edu. THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL FOOD GUIDE, published by cornell coop extension, has excellent information and tips On eating local, seasonal produce. To order, call 607.255.2080. GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about CSA farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are $27/year. Gfm, fairplain publications, P.O. box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046; Tel/fax: 913.841.2559. ******************************************************* 11. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web? Links to all the web sites I can find related to CSAs can be found at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 9 07:54:55 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA28047 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA13161 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19775; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:52:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from net3.netacc.net (root@net3.netacc.net [206.28.142.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19728 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:51:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from lizard (dial-ferengi-29.netacc.net [206.28.142.79]) by net3.netacc.net (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA21852 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:50:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980209075037.22277114@mail.netacc.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:50:37 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Deb Denome To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Disappearing CSA Workshop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ddenome@mail.netacc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 I found this post to be exceedingly inflammatory and, IMO, inappropriate for this list. Another perspective... This workshop was billed as 'pre-registration required', not 'walk-ins welcome'. When I registered for the workshop last Friday I immediately received a confirmation including the correct date (Feb 14), time, location, directions, and detailed agenda. It might be that this was not a scam, colossal incompetence, or some plot to jump any one individual through hoops, but rather an unfortunate typo that would have been discovered upon registration. I'm looking forward to this event and appreciate the efforts of Equity Trust. Deb Denome Seeking Common Ground CSA >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:37:15 -0500 >Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org >From: "Dori Green" >To: >Subject: Disappearing CSA Workshop >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 > >To the CSA-L readership: here's the post I just sent to the folks who were >promoting a CSA workshop in Ithaca and another in California, originally a >two-day romp at $85: > >I can't imagine what your motivation was to jump me through this hoop, but >I just got back from the 100-mile round trip to 401 Warren Hall where they >never heard of your workshop or you at the hall or at the Cornell >information desk where all meetings are supposed to be registered. > >I don't know if this was a scam from the beginning or just the result of >colossal incompetence but hoo boy am I glad I didn't send you people a >check in advance. > >Don't bother me with any empty apologies; if you want me to take an apology >seriously you can accompany it with a $100 check to reimburse me for the >travel expenses and day of overtime wages I lost on this nonsense. > >And yes you can bet your bonnet I'm posting a copy of this to CSA-L. > >Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator >Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living >http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html > > >---------- >> From: ETrust@aol.com >> To: funfarm@servtech.com >> Subject: CSA workshop >> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:53 AM >> >> Dori, >> >> We received your fax. >> >> The format for the Gaining Ground workshop in Ithaca has changed a >little. >> It will be a one day event, held on Saturday Feburary 7th from 10:00 >a.m. >> until sometime in the evening. The cost has been lowered to $45 not >> including meals, but we've been telling folks to pay what they can >afford. >> >> We'll be discussing options for obtaining long-term land security and >> affordable financing. >> >> The meeting will be held on the Cornell University campus in 401 Warren >Hall. >> >> Please let us know if you're still interested in attending. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin Kilb >> Equity Trust > > > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 9 11:34:13 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA01463 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16839 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02649; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00717 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:06:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.11.218.2] ([206.11.218.2] (may be forged)) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA05320 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:06:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.aveda.com by [206.11.218.2] via smtpd (for ns.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) with SMTP; 9 Feb 1998 16:08:51 UT Received: by mail.aveda.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1NFSP8RK>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:07:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199802091606.KAA05320@mixer.visi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:07:00 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Ann Rinkenberger To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Want to Start a Farm School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 330 Hi! 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Tom Marshall ******************** February 9, 1998 Federal Register Sender: owner-smallfarm@reeusda.gov Precedence: bulk To: Multiple Recipients of the List From: Small Farm Owner DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE Agricultural Marketing Service 7 CFR Part 205 [TM-98-00-2] National Organic Program; Extension of Comment Period on Proposed Rule AGENCY: Agricultural Marketing Service, USDA. ACTION: Extension of comment period on the National Organic Program proposed rule. SUMMARY: The Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS) is extending the public comment period on the proposed rule to establish a National Organic Program (NOP) from March 16, 1998 to April 30, 1998. This proposed rule was published in the Federal Register on December 16, 1997. DATES: Comments must be submitted on or before April 30, 1998. ADDRESSES: Interested persons are invited to submit written comments on this proposal to: Eileen S. Stommes, Deputy Administrator, USDA-AMS-TM-NOP, Room 4007 South Building, Ag Stop 0275, P.O. Box 96456, Washington, D.C. 20090-6456. Comments also may be sent by fax to (202) 690-4632. Additionally, comments may be sent via the Internet through NOP's homepage at: http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop. See the SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION for further details on submitting comments. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Michael I. Hankin, Senior Agricultural Marketing Specialist, USDA-AMS-TM-NOP, Room 2510 South Building, P.O. Box 96456, Washington, D.C. 20090-6456; Telephone: (202) 720-3252; Fax: (202) 690-3924. SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: Purpose A proposed rule to establish a NOP was published in the Federal Register (62 FR 65849) on December 16, 1997. The program is proposed under the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990, as amended (7 U.S.C. 6501 et. seq.), which requires the establishment of national standards governing the marketing of certain agricultural products as organically produced to facilitate commerce in fresh and processed food that is organically produced and to assure consumers that such products meet consistent standards. This program would establish national standards for the organic production and handling of agricultural products, which would include a National List of synthetic substances approved for use in the production and handling of organically produced products. It also would establish an accreditation program for State officials and private persons who want to be accredited to certify farm, wild crop harvesting, and handling operations that comply with the program's requirements, and a certification program for farm, wild crop harvesting, and handling operations that want to be certified as meeting the program's requirements. The program additionally would include labeling requirements for organic products and products containing organic ingredients, and enforcement provisions. Further, the proposed rule provides for the approval of State organic programs and the importation into the United States of organic agricultural products from foreign programs determined to have requirements at least equivalent to those of the NOP. Submission of Comments Comments may be submitted, electronically, in writing or by fax. Written comments submitted by regular mail and faxed comments should be identified with the National Organic Program Proposed Rule Docket Number: TMD-94-00-2. Multiple page comments submitted by regular mail should not be stapled or clipped to facilitate the timely scanning and posting of these comments to NOP homepage. Persons submitting written or faxed comments are requested to identify the topic and section number, if applicable, to which the comment refers: for example, for a comment regarding feed for organic livestock, reference Livestock and section 205.13. Topics should be selected from the following list: General, Proposed Effective Date, Regulatory Impact Assessment, Regulatory Flexibility Analysis, Paperwork Reduction Act, Definitions, Applicability (section 205.3), Crops, Livestock, Handling, National List, Labeling, Certification, Accreditation, State Programs, Fees, Compliance, Appeals, and Equivalency. It is our intention to have all comments, whether mailed, faxed or submitted via the Internet, available for viewing the NOP homepage at http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop in a timely manner. Comments submitted in response to this proposal will be available for viewing at USDA-AMS, Transportation and Marketing, Room 2945-South Building, 14th and Independence Ave., S.W., Washington, D.C., from 9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m., and from 2:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday (except official Federal holidays). Persons wanting to visit Department of Agriculture, South Building to view comments received in response to this proposal are requested to make an appointment in advance by calling Martha Bearer at (202) 720-8037. Reasons for Granting an Extension The National Organic Standards Board (NOSB), an advisory board to the Secretary regarding the program, has requested an extension of the comment period. NOSB requested an extension to accommodate the timing of the next NOSB meeting, which NOSB intends to conduct during the week of March 16-20, 1998. The schedules of the individual members of NOSB prevented holding NOSB meeting prior to March 15. At the meeting, details of which will be announced shortly in the Federal Register, NOSB intends to review Committee reports and prepare NOSB comments to the proposed rule for submission to USDA. Others have also requested an extension of the comment period. These individuals and organizations include: State government officials, manufacturers, and a trade organization representing the organic industry. Examples of reasons given for requesting an extension of the comment period include the length and complexity of the proposed rule, and the time required for commenters to arrange and conduct listening sessions to obtain input from constituents who will be affected by the finial regulations. After careful consideration of the requests submitted to the Agency, AMS has decided to grant an extension of the ---- page 6499 ---- comment period for an additional 45 days, or until April 30, 1998. This extension of the comment period will provide interested persons a total of 135 days to review the proposed rule and submit comments. AMS believes that this 45 day extension will provide a sufficient period of time for all commenters so that a further extension would be unnecessary. Accordingly, AMS is extending the comment period on the NOP proposed rule until April 30, 1998. Authority: 7 U.S.C. 6501-6522. Dated: February 5, 1998. Eileen S. Stommes, Deputy Administrator, Transportation and Marketing. [FR Doc. 98-3285 Filed 2-5-98; 11:09 am] BILLING CODE 3410-02-P ***************************** From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 13 21:37:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA28114 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04531 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00024; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:34:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29963; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:34:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from showme.missouri.edu ([128.206.109.196]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14594; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:40:51 -0600 Message-Id: <34DF309F.90D79DDF@showme.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:36:47 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "William E. Dellinger" To: listproc@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE CSA-L References: <199802070543.XAA02277@coneflower.prairienet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 335 I did not unsubscribe the CSA list. What's up? Prairienet ListProcessor wrote: > Dear user, > > your request > > UNSUBSCRIBE CSA-L > > has been successfully processed. > > You have been removed from list CSA-L (csa-l@prairienet.org). > Thank you for being with us. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 13 22:40:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA28847 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20692 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02669; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:33:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02628 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:33:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28445 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from MERLINFR (clifford-160.wcl.on.ca [207.81.101.160]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA08567 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:40:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802140340.WAA08567@mail.hurontel.on.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:40:44 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Merlin Von Frankenberg To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: merlinvf@mail.wcl.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 336 please UNSUBSCRIBE j.v.frankenberg From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 14 10:21:13 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA05718 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17790 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21982; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:18:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from node21.frontiernet.net (root@node21.frontiernet.net [209.130.129.196]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21888 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:16:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from sam (srv-21-1.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [209.130.134.58]) by node21.frontiernet.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA202608; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:14:23 -0500 Message-Id: <34E5B6D6.47CD@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:23:02 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Sarah C. Donaldson" To: community supported agriculture list Cc: scassdon@frontiernet.net Subject: Involving teenagers in CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 337 Hi: We have about 10-12 teenagers in our members families. Currently, they have minimal participation in CSA events for whatever reasons. I am looking for programs that have successfully incorporated teenagers from member families to participate in the CSA. Does anyone know about any daily or residencey programs (3-5 days or 1 week)for teenagers (ages 14-17) that have been developed that incorporated gardening in a way that encourages social interaction, art, music and/or crafts? We do have a teenager that would like to make a film about our farm for a commuunity project at school. I've been thinking that this might be a great opportunity/project for the teens to get to know one another. (Meetings could be followed with volleyball or something.) I'd like to build on this,and develop more opportunities. All thoughts welcomed. Thanks in advance. Sarah Donaldson Seeking Common Ground, CSA Honeoye Falls, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 16 09:43:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA26488 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22042 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13435; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:40:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from host.accessin.com.au (root@host.accessin.com.au [203.24.23.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13393 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:40:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from buckleys (accint-114.accessin.com.au [203.24.23.114]) by host.accessin.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA27160 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:07:35 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <01bd3ae7$a02249e0$721718cb@buckleys> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:31:53 +0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Buckley" To: Subject: codling moth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD3B2A.AE4589E0" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 338 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD3B2A.AE4589E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you have any information on the management of codling moth using = organic methods specifically in regards to pest control and fumigation. 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    Do you have any information on the = management of=20 codling moth using organic methods specifically in regards to pest = control and=20 fumigation.
     
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    Reply to quest@accessin.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD3B2A.AE4589E0-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 16 13:30:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA02769 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24568 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02957; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:25:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02917 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:24:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from KathiSueC@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 9ZPHa01991; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5b384488.34e8844e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:24:12 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: KathiSueC@aol.com To: quest@accessin.com.au, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: codling moth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 339 There is a lot you can do to reduce your Codling Moth population. Your strategy will depend on numerous factors (acreage, varieties, topography etc.), so I recommend contacting your local land grant university extension service, most county's in agricultural regions have at least one. Some of the techniques I have used include: predatorial Trichogramma wasps, pheromone confusion (this one seems to only work well on blocks of over five acres), banding trees in the fall with corrugated cardboard-in which the larvae like to crawl into to cocoon--and than removing and burning the strips (long enough to go all the way around the tree trunk and about six inches wide), and Granulosis Virus, which is hopefully going to be available in California this year. Good orchard maintenance also goes a long way--cleaning up ground falls and other debris where Codling Moths will over-winter. Here are some WWW sites that might point you in some helpful directions: Apple IPM-Maine http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/applpage.htm Virtual Orchard http://orchard.uvm.edu/ Also Sean Swezey at UC Santa Cruz extension is a great resource for organic apple growers. I don't have his number off hand, but you can probably track him down. Good Luck, Greg Peck From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 16 20:17:58 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA18271 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26879 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04871; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:12:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04832 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:12:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22609 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:12:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802170112.UAA22609@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:06:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Happy Beginnings.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 340 I'm happy to report that I've received a nice apology from Kevin at Equity Trust; the glitch in communications did in fact turn out to be just a typo that could have happened to anybody. So I in turn offer back an apology for the loudness of my wail of protest and my hope that we can step forward from here together. These folks do indeed seem to be on the up-and-up; I expect to communicate in more depth with them in the future and sincerely recommend them to other CSA folks. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 17 20:51:52 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA26140 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01175 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28262; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:06:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from martha.greatnorthern.net (root@greatnorthern.net [206.129.66.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28179 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.129.66.62] (pm2-70.greatnorthern.net [206.129.66.70]) by martha.greatnorthern.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12307 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:08:12 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:04:51 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Rob Peterson or Joanne Jewell To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: naturemark potatoes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 341 I received an advertisement for the Potato Patch catalog, including information about the Naturemark potato with the following statement: >And the good news is it has no effect on the environment. I don't understand how anyone could make the above statement about any agricultural product. Certainly no honest scientist could make that statement, even about a potato that is not a product of genetic engineering. When a body of scientific evidence suggests that use of the NatureMark potato would be very likely to accelerate Colorado Potato Beetle resistence to Bt, making the above statement seems to be an arrogent deceit. Potato Patch may have the right to choose to sell NatureMark potatos, but making such obviously undefendable and deceptive statements discredits them. I chose to order the potato seed for my farm from a source with more credibility. Sincerely, Rob Peterson, Brigit Croft Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Feb 18 01:29:02 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA13670 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA15691 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAB18472; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:22:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17785 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:15:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA13301; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA10072; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:15:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:15:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: Rob Peterson or Joanne Jewell Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: naturemark potatoes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 342 On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Rob Peterson or Joanne Jewell wrote: > I received an advertisement for the Potato Patch catalog, including > information about the Naturemark potato with the following statement: [text deleted] It was typical SPAM, i.e. unsolicited adverts in my email inbox, in fact ABOUT 15 OF THEM! Their loss. I wouldn't buy their products if potatoes were going extinct. Looks like they would know better than to compile commercial mailing lists with subscribers in credible discussion forums they lurk in. LL From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Feb 18 10:51:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA01320 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20175 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08301; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:48:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from tully.jetstream.net (tully.jetstream.net [207.23.175.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08243 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:48:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.23.187.171] (I171-P56.jetstream.net [207.23.187.171]) by tully.jetstream.net (8.8.7/SCO5) with ESMTP id HAA14737 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:48:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:48:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Anne Warren To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: salutations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 343 hello there , glad to be apart of CSA list! This by way of introductions: We farm a 126 acre homestead in S. Central B.C. where we grow 5 acres of vegetables, 3 of covercrop rotates with vegies and 40 acres hay, organically. There are woods, ponds and pasture and animals. We cultivate and practice no-till both. Our primary income falls to Farmers Markets and retail but we depend upon C.S.A shares to hold us together for a year round income. This allows both of us to work full-time on the farm and employ people to help and get a little break in the winter! We have 20 CSA shareholders this season, 8 who were with us last year. Most advertising was done word of mouth or through the markets. We don't segragate the CSA plantings from our other crops because this would muss with roatations but we do grow a number of things especially for the CSA and those have there own plot. Quantities of food for weekly boxes are determined subjectively and we might try something different this season: Has anyone (who also does farmers markets) tried a self-serve box? I'm worried these days about Genetically Altered seed and soil bacterial that is being released unprecedentedly as in foul, beligerent experiment on a grand scale and what we can possibly do about it now. Also interested in land trusts and apprenticeship programs. Looking forward to the list, Anne Sudoa Farm, Notch Hill BC From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 19 18:14:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA26669 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03749 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08457; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:10:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.emapnet.com (mail.emapnet.com [208.226.206.9]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08321 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:08:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ron ([208.226.206.11]) by mail1.emapnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-17720) with SMTP id AAA195 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:53:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980219230431.3cd70c36@208.226.206.9> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:04:31 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Ron Cusano To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: L.I. CSA NEEDS MEMBERS! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: trader@208.226.206.9 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 344 Hi Folks! "Greenery Farms CSA" is brand new, and looking for more members from Long Island or NYC! "Greenery Farms CSA" is a div. of Developmental Disabilities Institute, a not-for-profit agency that provides vocational opportunities for the developmentally disabled. That means that almost all of the work done on the farm, is done by people who are dev. disables, and the "share" fees go toward paying their salaries. If anyone from our area is interested in fresh, chemical-free, organic veggies this season, and would like to help our guys at the same time, please contact me. We would welcome your support! Thanks - Ron From london@sunsite.unc.edu Thu Feb 19 18:14:31 1998 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu cc: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: (Fwd) Re: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 345 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:25:07 +0000 From: Tom Hodges To: sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:18:09 +0700 (GMT+0700) From: Richard Tinsley To: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" Cc: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture Subject: Re: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) While I have concentrated my career on smallholder agriculture in developing countries with normally less than 10 ha. of land. I do occassionally get to make comparisions with family farms in the US mostly Colorado. The notes I have are: Colorado dry landers, 7000 ac, father, and two sons. Father high shool education, son both graduatres of Colorado State University, one in economics and the other in mechanization. Where is the Agronomy. Income in the mid income range. Colorado irrigated farm some 10 miles away. 700 ac, father and 2 sons, father with highschool education sone graduates for Colorado State Univetrsity, one in farm management, one in mechanization, Still looking for the agronomy. Again mid income range California rice farmer. 2700 acres, father, son, one hired machinery person. Did not ask on education. Since sold out to developers. Very interesting note, in former Soviet Union,visited state rice farm of same size, but supporting 900 people. Divide people into area and get 3 ac per person the same as my 3rd world smallholder. I hope this puts some perspective on the discussion. Dick Tinsley From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 19 18:23:07 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27831 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06650 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09218; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:19:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09192 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27654; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA17747; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 346 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:25:07 +0000 From: Tom Hodges To: sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:18:09 +0700 (GMT+0700) From: Richard Tinsley To: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" Cc: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture Subject: Re: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) While I have concentrated my career on smallholder agriculture in developing countries with normally less than 10 ha. of land. I do occassionally get to make comparisions with family farms in the US mostly Colorado. The notes I have are: Colorado dry landers, 7000 ac, father, and two sons. Father high shool education, son both graduatres of Colorado State University, one in economics and the other in mechanization. Where is the Agronomy. Income in the mid income range. Colorado irrigated farm some 10 miles away. 700 ac, father and 2 sons, father with highschool education sone graduates for Colorado State Univetrsity, one in farm management, one in mechanization, Still looking for the agronomy. Again mid income range California rice farmer. 2700 acres, father, son, one hired machinery person. Did not ask on education. Since sold out to developers. Very interesting note, in former Soviet Union,visited state rice farm of same size, but supporting 900 people. Divide people into area and get 3 ac per person the same as my 3rd world smallholder. I hope this puts some perspective on the discussion. Dick Tinsley From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Thu Feb 19 18:28:16 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA28251 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08338 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 62050 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <226027-8117>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:23:27 -0500 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 45961 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <226086-8114>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:17:58 -0500 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27654; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA17747; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 347 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:25:07 +0000 From: Tom Hodges To: sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:18:09 +0700 (GMT+0700) From: Richard Tinsley To: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" Cc: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture Subject: Re: NATIONAL STRATEGY TO ASSIST FAMILY FARMS (fwd) While I have concentrated my career on smallholder agriculture in developing countries with normally less than 10 ha. of land. I do occassionally get to make comparisions with family farms in the US mostly Colorado. The notes I have are: Colorado dry landers, 7000 ac, father, and two sons. Father high shool education, son both graduatres of Colorado State University, one in economics and the other in mechanization. Where is the Agronomy. Income in the mid income range. Colorado irrigated farm some 10 miles away. 700 ac, father and 2 sons, father with highschool education sone graduates for Colorado State Univetrsity, one in farm management, one in mechanization, Still looking for the agronomy. Again mid income range California rice farmer. 2700 acres, father, son, one hired machinery person. Did not ask on education. Since sold out to developers. Very interesting note, in former Soviet Union,visited state rice farm of same size, but supporting 900 people. Divide people into area and get 3 ac per person the same as my 3rd world smallholder. I hope this puts some perspective on the discussion. Dick Tinsley From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 20 00:06:25 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA24049 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14062 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02717; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:03:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02679 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:03:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from discovery(130.111.71.8) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 20 Feb 98 00:02:34 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:54:37 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Soil Erosion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Original-Sender: Jonathan_Layburn@discovery.umeres.maine.edu (Jonathan Layburn) X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 348 I have been taking a sustainable agriculture class here at the University of Maine at Orono and we have recently learned ideas and practices to limit soil erosion. I was curious how some of you out there control soil erosion on your farmland. Thank you. Jonathan Layburn University of Maine student Natural Resources major Junior/Senior Year Jonathan_Layburn@voyager.umeres.maine.edu OR bkpakbmper@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 20 13:34:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA29221 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16837 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08690; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:44:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from batnet.com (wombatnet.batnet.com [140.174.136.17]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08565 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:43:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from lmdavidson (IP10-10.DBC.COM) by batnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12717; Fri, 20 Feb 98 09:34:59 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980220173554.0091cc94@pop.batnet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:35:54 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Loren Davidson To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Soil Erosion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: beauty@pop.batnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 349 At 11:54 PM 2/19/98 -0500, Jonathan Layburn wrote: > I have been taking a sustainable agriculture class here at the >University of Maine at Orono and we have recently learned ideas and >practices to limit soil erosion. I was curious how some of you out >there control soil erosion on your farmland. > Thank you. Well, at this point there are things we've *done* and things we *plan* to do. The first and best preventative medicine, I think, is to plant and landscape on contours. This traps and holds runoff until it has a chance to infiltrate. The "contour swale" of Permaculture, in places where you're not planting, also provides this double-duty of reducing sheet erosion and infiltrating more water into your soil. The second best preventative medicine is to not allow bare ground. If you don't have a crop there, have a cover crop. Plants provide a vital buffer against the energy of rainfall, as well as providing root systems to hold soil in place. If you've already got gullys and erosion on your property, you'll need to do other things. Above the gullys, create swales to stop and infiltrate the water *before* it gets into your gully. In the gully itself, you want to trap and hold as much particulate matter as possible to help it fill itself back in. Gabions -- wire cages full of rocks anchored into the sides and bottoms of the gullys -- allow water to pass through but trap sediment. Once the gully fills with sediment, you can plant it. Most of what we've done so far has involved swales and cover crops, and works reasonably well. We have at least one gully that needs to be "fixed" with swales, diversions, and a gabion or two...when we have the time, materials and person-power to do it. The guiding principle of all erosion control is to slow down and trap the flow of water. The faster water moves, the more soil it picks up. Keep runoff from moving in straight lines -- this will slow it down. Make the water meander as it runs across your property. The more water that infiltrates your soil, the less you'll have to irrigate in the long run. (Caveat: Obviously, try not to create flooding problems when doing that. A lot will depend on what type(s) of soil you have, the slope and aspect of your land, etc. Each site will have specific solutions that will work best *for that site*.) Hope this helps, Loren, Harmony Hill Permaculture Demo Site (in development) -- Loren Davidson loren@wombat.net http://www.batnet.com/beauty/ "Follow your dreams. Make your wishes. Create the future. And above all, believe in yourself." -- J. Michael Straczynski From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 20 20:00:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA01825 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14633 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10415; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:57:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (root@alpha.vaxxine.com [198.53.148.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10355 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:56:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp191.st-cath.niagara.net [198.53.148.210]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14469 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802210056.TAA14469@alpha.vaxxine.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Laura Sabourin To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: New CSA in Niagara, Ontario Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: laura_s@vaxxine.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 350 HI list My name is Laura and this will be our first year operating a CSA so all the advice I get will be received with gratitude. I received our first membership in the mail today ! As I've hung up many (MANY) poster and given out about 50 brochures - yes I was getting discouraged. I had decided to go ahead even if we only got one - so we got one. One thing that I can see taking lots of time, and I know you've all done, is recipes. If anyone has some set up on their computer, easy to email as an attachment, I'd really appreciate receiving them. A CSA operator friend of mine from Stouffville (North of Toronto) said that she felt like she spent way too much time telling people how to use the items that she was giving them and ended up doing recipes. Other CSA operators I've talked to have also said they did this so maybe it would be a good idea for us as a group (CSA_L) to create a FAQ with standard CSA recipes and vegetable descriptions ? Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc - Organic Farm Ragenesque Ragdoll Cattery R R # 1, St. Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 20 20:46:22 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA05354 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29145 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12633; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:43:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12604 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:42:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18164 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:42:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802210142.UAA18164@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:28:37 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: Recipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 351 Rose Valley Farm in New York has published a great CSA recipe book -- I think they sell them for about $10 a copy and they might be available through NOFA-NY. When somebody pays $300 for a full-season membership I figure I can splurge $10 on a good recipe book (actually I send back about $50 in "incidental" items like a cloth bag for the weekly harvest share, recipe books, cloth garden gloves, their very own straw hat, etc. It adds up quickly but really makes people feel like they're getting a lot for their money. After all, it isn't just about vegetables! Liz Henderson, are you on line? She and David Stern are the Rose Valley folks. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Feb 20 21:58:58 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA12709 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22898 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15757; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:55:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15706; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:55:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from RfarmChico@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 3NBKa04363; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:54:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:54:59 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: RfarmChico@aol.com To: Comm_Supported_Agri@discovery.umeres.maine.edu, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Soil Erosion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 352 I use to work for the Soil Conservation Service and worked with what is called the soil erosion equation, used to estimate sheet erosion on a variety of land slopes, textures and field conditions. The equation included what is called the "T" factor = the soil loss that the land could "tolerate" . This "T" factor or "tolerance" ranged from 1 to 5 tons per acre dependent upon the fragility of the particular site. The assumption was that the soil could replenish itself at this rate indefinitely. Geologically not much happens very fast. Well 1 ton per acre = about 1/60th of an inch. In a million years at the lowest "tolerance" factor for marginal soils and you come up with an overall elevation decrease of about1400 feet. This is much faster than what the cutting edge of major mountain streams did through the lava flows near where I live. What I mean to say is THERE IS NO "limit" of "soil erosion" which is sustainable. Basicly nature knows this and so when working in the field in undisturbed - naturally vegetated sites the formula allowed us "Soil Conservationists" to plug a zero into the equation to reflect actual erosion on such sites. "Zip" is the only erosion that is sustainable. Everything else is a mind game. The point I am trying to make is that when you attack the problem of soil erosion you need to approach the problem with the idea that you will do what you need to do, to stop it completely. To do less is to fail before you start. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 21 07:59:29 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA14426 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08379 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01746; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:57:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01717 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:56:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from Mizzou-AS9-24.missouri.edu (Mizzou-AS9-24.missouri.edu [128.206.209.168]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA211700 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:55:09 -0600 Message-Id: <34EEF8A5.2160@tmn.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:54:14 -0800 Reply-To: hunger@tmn.com Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "William E. Dellinger" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: new CSA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 353 Hi: This will also be my first year as a CSA in central Missouri. Referrals of persons interested in membership would be appreciated. I intend to focus more on development of the initial community than upon attaining a certain size, but 5-10 members would be great. I've been on the list for awhile, then received an 'unsubscribe' meaasge, out of the blue, and re-subscribed. Thanks, William E. Dellinger P.O. Box 15 Hallsville, MO 65255 573-696-3604 http://www.hunger.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 21 09:49:52 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA22243 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06026 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA05061; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:47:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo21.mail.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.148]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05026 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:47:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from IeatSBGA@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id BAEFa04354 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:46:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:46:36 EST Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: IeatSBGA@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSAs near Racine Wis? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 354 I am new to the Racine Wisconsin area. Does anyone know of any CSA's in the Milwaukee, South Milwaukee, and maybe even extreme northern IL.? Any direct or indirect contact information will be greatly appreciated? Thanks, Keith Anderson ieatsbga@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Feb 21 10:59:51 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA27963 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24681 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08471; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:56:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08445 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:56:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15683 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802211556.KAA15683@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:30:59 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Old CSA, New Program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 355 This is the first year that I've admitted that in 8 years all I've done with this CSA is pour $10,000-$15,000 per year into it. With a rather predictable resulting sense of frustration. So this year I've started by gladly and cheerfully admitting that I donate the use of the farm and my time, and that CSA shares are priced defray the actual operating costs of the project. My books are open to any member -- I'm a technical writer and database designer by profession and have a professional-quality computer system so keeping good books is not a problem. The operating costs include labor -- and any CSA member is welcome to be a paid laborer. We're all sharing the risks by running a "Summer Job Co-op" -- every worker keeps track of their hours and we keep good records of expenses and sales (including the CSA shares), then split any profits at the end of the season according to the percentage of total time each person worked. Several members say they'll treat this as a Christmas Club with full family involvement. Children's hours carry the same weight as adults'. It's an exercise in equality -- a little bit of social action. Time spent by members on Core Group meetings and work count toward the profit share. In my neck of the woods it's also very important to offer non-working shares, delivered to their front porches, cooked if possible . So far I have 10 people who say they're going to join but I haven't received their checks yet -- I offer a three-installment plan and the first check isn't due until April 1st. I don't count anybody as a member until the silver crosses my palm . One lady is coming next weekend and paying her full share, which should just about cover all of the seed orders. After eight years of beating my head against this wall of the truth that there's just no way to force people to cooperate even if it's good for them, this year is showing tremendous success with an approach of "Hey, I'm giving this away, no skin off my nose and no hard feelings if you don't take it." This would not work for me if I was a rigid, everything-has-to-be-planned-and-controlled person. Something tells me that farming in general doesn't work real well for that type. If I can be kind of free-wheeling and balanced as the center of a gyroscope rather than in the middle of a teeter-totter, and stay focused on the goals of having fun with this rather than trying to make it into a primary life-supporting business, I think it'll work. Once I get this thing working so well that I can disappear for six months at a time, I'd like to travel around the country helping other CSAs get going. Sounds like a fun retirement plan! Everything else about Ash Grove Community Farm is posted at the website. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/agrove1.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 23 15:08:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA25891 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06054 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21268; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:03:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21218 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:03:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802232003.OAA21218@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:55:57 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: "CSA List" Subject: recipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 356 Another recipe book of note, designed for the CSA farm member is "From Asparagus to Zucchini". It was put together by MACSAC (Madison Area CSA Coalition) and has recipes and essays by and for CSA folks. Cost per copy is $18.50, but wholesale rates are available at (I think) $12.00 plus shipping. We added the cost to our shares this year and everyone gets one. We expect this to save us LOTS of time telling our members about the nutritional value, storage, how to prepare blah, blah every year. Contact Lauri McKean, 1228 Rutledge St., Madison, WI 53703 (608)251-8049 for all the details. Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Feb 23 18:27:19 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA04242 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA06479 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07774; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:22:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07706 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:22:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from dante26.u.washington.edu (maclark@dante26.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA28916; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:21:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (maclark@localhost) by dante26.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id PAA13298; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:21:25 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:21:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "M. Clark" To: orgmailing , bkneen@rapidnet.net, CSA-L@prairienet.org, David.Stallings@metrokc.gov, dcole@silverlink.net, dwadkins@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us, EcoFem@csf.colorado.edu, fsfarm@mufu.org, goldie@pccsea.com, jamison@bridgernet.com, jorob@greatnorthern.net, jvp@u.washington.edu, khatiba@juno.com, lmcmaken@telebyte.net, SCook21809@aol.com, seeley@u.washington.edu, Tryggur@aol.com, virginia@biostat.washington.edu, KIM LEATHAM , woodyw@juno.com, Yvonne Frost Cc: "S. Dods" Subject: Organic Farming Rule changes (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1936847004-1570641419-888276085=:56368" Content-ID: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 357 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1936847004-1570641419-888276085=:56368 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: <0_888273385@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> I hope you can open this attachment - it is a brief analysis of the Rule by the members of WSDA's adviosry group and Washington Tilth. Also contains further info on how to ccomment, the hearing this Thursday in Seattle, etc. We have a short list of people who will put up out-of-towners, if needed, let me know. I understand that a number of people dressed as fruits and vegetables will be around when the press conference is held at 11:00 Am. Se you there! Margaret ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:36:25 EST From: PieReport1@aol.com To: maclark@u.washington.edu Subject: Organic Farming Rule changes This is being sent at the request of Diane Dempster ---1936847004-1570641419-888276085=:56368 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="Tilth.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: <0_888273385@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-Description: Washington Tilth Producers and the WSDA Organic Advisory Board=0D=0D=0DOR= GANIC STANDARDS ARE IN JEOPARDY!!=0D=0DAs Tilth Board members and members= of the WSDA Organic Advisory Board we are writing this letter because th= is is a crucial time within the Organic Foods Industry. The USDA has rece= ntly released their proposed rules for the National Organic Program (NOP)= . After reviewing this document, we believe there is a strong need for a = coordinated response. We must insist on standards that follow the true me= aning of organic agriculture.=0D=0DTo summarize the process to this point= . In 1990 Congress passed the Organic Foods Production Act (OFPA). This m= andated the USDA to set up a National Organic Program (NOP). Within this = mandate, authority was given to form the National Organic Standards Board= (NOSB), a fourteen member board comprised of people within the organic c= ommunity. The NOSB worked for six years to come up with recommendations f= or the program. From these recommendations, the USDA wrote the NOP propos= ed rules released December 16, 1997 for Public review and comment through= April 30.=0D=0DAs written, the proposed rule will undermine a meaningful= organic program. The rule should be rewritten to more closely reflect th= e NOSB recommendations. We need your comments now! Write a letter; send E= -mail; attend the hearing.=0D=0DWe have outlined some key issues to use i= n your letter. Please identify yourself, where you live, what you do, and= why this proposed rule is unacceptable. Be as specific as possible.=0D= =0DCome to the USDA Meeting on the Organic Standards=0DFebruary 26 - Rain= ier Room at the Seattle Center, =0D305 Harrison Street, from 9 a.m. to 4 = p.m. =0DWe need to fill the room. =0DPeople are invited to comment and th= eir comments will become part of the public record. Please attend and sub= mit written and oral comments. Comments are limited to 5 minutes per pers= on. To sign up, call Karen Thomas at (202) 720-3252. Soon!=0DWRITE or E-m= ail:=0DThe USDA proposed rule can be viewed through the internet NOP hom= epage at http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop or a copy can be purchased for $8.00= from the federal Register by calling =0D(202) 512-1800. Comments must be= received by April 30, 1998, and can be mailed, faxed, or e=10mailed to:= =0DEileen Stommes, Deputy Administrator =0DUSDA=10AMS=10TM=D1NOP =0DRoom = 4007=10S, Ag stop 0275 =0DP.O. Box 96456, Washington DC 20090-6456 =0Dhtt= p://www ams.usda.gov/nop Fax: (202) 690=104632=0D=0DComments should = include docket number TMD=1094-00=102. It is also helpful to include the = specific information including the Comment Topic Heading and Federal Regi= ster page no. (ex. 62 FR 65801). These are provided with the issues.=0D= =0D=0DThe top threats to the Organic Industry as set forth in the Propose= d Rule.=0D=0D1. The Rule needs to be rewritten =0D(comment topic: Genera= l: 62 FR 65869)=0D=0DThe definition of organic as written in the proposed= national organic standard fails to adhere to the requirements of the Org= anic Foods Production Act (OFPA 7 U.S.C.S. 6501). Additionally, the OFPA = clearly mandates that the NOSB has the authority to 1) provide the Secret= ary of Agriculture with recommendations and 2) to develop the Proposed Na= tional List. The rule should be revised to more closely reflect the origi= nal intent of the law.=0D=0D2. Genetically Engineered Organisms (GEO) =0D= (comment topic General/Crops/ National List, sec. 205.2, 205.6)=0D=0DThe = NOSB recommended prohibiting the use of GEO=D5s in organic production sys= tems. We support this position.=0D=0D3. Food Irradiation =0D(comment topi= c: Handling/National List Section 205.17, 62 FR 65884)=0D=0DThe NOSB reco= mmended against the use of ionizing radiation in the handling of organic = food. There should be no irradiation of organic foods.=0D=0D4. Sewage Slu= dge =0D(comment topic: Crops/National List sec. 205.22, 62 FR 65892-3)= =0D=0DSewage Sludge from municipalities may contain heavy metals, pestici= des and other contaminants. The NOSB found sewage sludge unacceptable for= organic food production. We support their recommendation.=0D=0D5. Weaken= ed Livestock Section =0D(comment topic: Livestock sec. 205.14, 205.15)=0D= =0DThe proposed rule disregards careful consideration by the NOSB that re= quires livestock to have access to the outdoors, pasture and sunlight. Th= e proposed rule would allow most confinement operations including caged l= aying hens, feedlot beef and confinement hog operations. Furthermore, it = reduces the requirement for 100% organic feeds to 80% and reduces or elim= inates the restrictions of use of animal protein for feed and medications= including antibiotics and parasiticides. We support the NOSB recommendat= ions.=0D=0D6. Fees and reCOrd keeping requirements =0D(comment topic: Fee= s sec. 205.421=10425, 62 FR 65890)=0D=0DThe NOSB recommended that the USD= A minimize the financial impacts to small businesses. The proposed rule c= reates a regressive flat fee structure which will cause a severe financia= l burden on small farmers, organic food handlers and private certifying o= rganizations. This rule could reduce the numbers of companies willing to = offer organic foods to consumers.=0D=0D7. Loopholes and Inert ingredients= =0D(comment topic: Crops/Handling/National List, sec 205.20, 62 FR 65890= )=0D=0DThe proposed USDA rule eliminates the carefully crafted language a= nd definitions governing specific materials in the National List. These c= hanges will create loopholes that will allow inappropriate materials to b= e included in the National List. Additionally, the USDA proposed allowin= g Materials in EPA list 2, =D2Suspected Toxic Inerts.=D3 The NOSB recomm= ended that these inert ingredients be prohibited from organic product for= mulations They do not belong in the organic program.=0D=0D8. USDA would p= rohibit eco-labeling =0D(comment topic: Labeling, sec 205.103)=0D=0DIt wa= s the intention of the NOSB to allow specific production claims that rein= force knowledge of production practices to the consuming public. As prop= osed the USDA would eliminate any labeling not in accord with the rule. = This would eliminate the ability of consumers to choose those practices i= mportant to them, such as humanely raised livestock.=0D=0D9. Vague unenfo= rceable language =0D(comment topic: General/Crop Production, sec. 205.3, = 205.7(a,b,c,) )=0D=0DThe proposal states that growers must use production= materials according to an order of preference but does not define what t= hat means. The proposal states that materials must be used in a manner th= at does not significantly contribute to environmental degradation but the= n does not define any parameters. The NOSB recommended that a farm plan = to address these issues and more be provided with the application as a wa= y to monitor the farm practices over time.=0D=0D=0DIn closing, we all hav= e seen the phenomenal growth, in both quantity and diversity of organic f= ood over the last few years. The integrity that now exists in organic agr= iculture has evolved in a twenty year process from our farms to the priva= te and state certification organizations. If now is the time for a Nation= al Program, it has to be one that reflects the standards and integrity th= at now exist, not one that blurs the lines between conventional and organ= ic agriculture. We need a strong vocal response before the proposed progr= am becomes a reality=0D=0D=0DThe time to comment is now=D1 =0Dthe time to= act is now!!=0D=0D=0DFor more information, please contact :=0D =0DThe Or= ganic Trade Association (OTA) (413) 774-5484 or visit their website at ww= w.ota.com;=0DWashington State Department of Agriculture (WSDA), Miles McE= voy (360) 902=101877;=0DWashington Tilth Producers 800-731-1143;=0DWashi= ngton Sustainable Agriculture Working Group (WA=10SAWG) =0D=09John Faucet= t- Long (206) 935=108738.=0D ---1936847004-1570641419-888276085=:56368-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 24 00:09:07 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA15765 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA08136 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29377; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:03:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29340 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:02:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01913 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:02:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802240502.AAA01913@cyber1.servtech.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:55:06 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: CSA Goat Baby! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 358 The first goat baby of the 1998 season arrived between 7 and 8 PM here at Ash Grove Community Farm. "Zephram Cochran" is a beautiful little buck by "Ivy Acres Instigator" (aka "Stinky Scotty"), a registered Alpine buck, out of "Gassy Gabriella", a Toggenburg/Saanen/Kitchen Sink mutt doe with a lot of class. All of Scotty's babies will have Star Trek names; the next one will be "The Companion". Zephram promptly found a 3-inch hole in the wall and squeezed outside. Good thing I was hanging around, huh? Found him, whisked him inside to get dried off and warmed up and navel dipped in iodine, then back out to his mom. I knew babies would arrive tonight -- we're having a blizzard. Gabby passed a small afterbirth and is still having contractions; I did the second baby bump and it does feel like we can expect another. I'll be going back out to the barn in another hour to check. And Heidi Ho-Ho Houdini was making goo-goo eyes when I left to warm toes and report Zephram's arrival. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she went into labor tonight, too. How did these girls know I have a very important meeting to run tomorrow afternoon and I'm supposed to be something more than a total zombie to do that? Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 24 06:15:40 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA00573 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA12548 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA11531; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:13:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11495 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:12:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from dg6.ceh.servtech.com (dg6.ceh.servtech.com [207.41.74.105]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22824 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:12:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802241112.GAA22824@cyber3.servtech.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:05:24 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dori Green" To: Subject: Re: CSA Goat Baby MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 359 Just a quick note to let y'all know that Zephram Cochran and his mom are doing fine; he may indeed need a nickname of "Stoopid" -- still hadn't located the magic button on Gabby when I went back down again at 5 AM but once I forced it into his mouth and squeezed while Gab stimulated his suck reflex with a little back-end massage, he got the idea and should have a gallon or so ingested within another ten minutes at the rate he was going when I came back up here to post the report. Looks like he's the only one for Gab this year. And a fine little harness wether he's going to be, too! I should be able to get the pictures posted by this weekend. Heidi Ho-Ho Houdini was making goo-goo eyes at me when I came back up to the house to haul warm water down to the blizzard-bound barn residents -- I wouldn't be surprised if she follows Gabby into motherhood by this evening. Gabby and Zephram will be leaving along with her daughter Lynn (who's expecting around St. Pat's Day) to their new home on Sunday -- they've been sold since Thanksgiving. Zephram will be coming back to me, along with any other boy-babies Gabby has in the future, part of the deal of the sale. They're going to a great home but one where boys are butchered. I've promised Gabby that my thanks to her for teaching me about goats (and surviving my many mistakes) is providing a home for her boy-babies forever. One of her previous owners (an "organic" farmer) butchered buck kids and hung the hides right in front of the barn stall where the mothers could see and smell them. Not my idea of humane treatment. My CSA members think it's a hoot and a Very Worthwhile Thing to train wethers how to earn their keep with packing and harness work. And brush-hogging, of course. Somebody actually paid me last year to take my goats and portable fence to his back yard to spend an afternoon eating out a patch of poison ivy! (The goats, not me -- I like salad but...) And it looks like we're also going to be approved as a horse rescue foster home. They'll get into that one too, I'm sure. Already have three interested members for the horse and pony co-op and half-a-dozen volunteers to clean the barn and do grooming on any rescues. Dori Green: Writer, Farmer, Facilitator (and willing slave to the animals) Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living http://www.servtech.com/public/funfarm/index.html From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Feb 24 14:09:36 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA20222 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA09903 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12065; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:04:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12016 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:03:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.169.228.158] (ghana-158.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.158]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11804 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:02:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802241902.LAA11804@mom.hooked.net> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 11:03:14 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: mesa To: "CSA member list" Subject: Internship wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 360 Hi folks: Anyone looking for a great, willing-to-work for food/lodging intern? I'm inquiring for a young man (age 21) who's my friend's son. Marc is a great guy and I think anyone would find him easy-going, hardworking and earnest. He's lived in Nepal and will graduate from Oberlin this May. Please let me know if you're at all interested in hearing from him, or contact him directly at: Marc.Arndt@oberlin.edu. I've enclosed a recent email that he sent me. Thanks and regards, Lauren E. Augusta, Executive Director Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA) 5337 College Avenue #508 Oakland, CA 94618 USA Tel# (510)654-8858//Fax# (510)843-6280 http://www.wenet.net/~mesa hello lauren, thanks for helping me look for an organic farming internship. i am quite inexperienced, and i'm really looking for an introduction to farming. i don't need pay if room and board are included. if it's more like a job, living away and commuting and feeding myself then i would like pay. i am willing to go anywhere in california and i'm open to any kind of crop. do you need any more info ? bye, marc From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Feb 26 16:41:40 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA05296 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA04347 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA14605; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:27:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.cfw.com (milo.cfw.com [205.219.240.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA14404 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:24:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11661 invoked from network); 26 Feb 1998 14:24:33 -0000 Received: from ras2stn16.cfw.com (HELO farmsted.cfw.com) (208.217.185.217) by milo.cfw.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 1998 14:24:33 -0000 Message-Id: <34F57B2D.16FA@cfw.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:24:45 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jeff Ishee To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: 2002 parody MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 361 Dear Friends, The following news article is a pure parody, intended to shed a bit of humor on the hilarious situation regarding federal organic certification efforts. Jeff Ishee Bittersweet Farmstead **************************** USDA unveils certification requirements on food adjectives WASHINGTON (June 3, 2002) - Just what makes a bean "green", or rice "wild" or vanilla ice cream "french"? For the first time, the government began answering that question by proposing rules Monday to help consumers get the foods they think they're getting. "The rules are going to clear up the confusion that sometimes exists in the minds of consumers, processors and merchandisers," said one official of the USDA. "For years now, we've heard rumors in the industry that some vegetable processors have been selling 'green' beans, when in reality, the product they were merchandising was olive-colored or lime-tinted. Some unscrupulous operators were were even selling cull wax beans with green food coloring added. The UURGF (United Uncultivated Rice Gatherers Federation) has also been courting our department to certify 'wild' rice as only that rice which, indeed was harvested from wildlands. And we all know that French citizens have unintentionally been offended by the USDA's allowance for certain ice creams to be labeled 'French Vanilla' when the product has nothing to do with France whatsoever." "These adjectives have no place in our system of food production unless they are certified by the government," said Peter A. Rabbit, president of the UCBFP (United Council of Bigtime Food Producers). "The public should say no to them, too." Yet, because there are currently no national rules, consumers could never be certain that products with certain adjectives on the label are actually genuine. Examples include: "sweet" corn, "snow" peas, "baking" potatoes, and "sour" cherries. The Secretary of Agriculture said "We are proposing certification requirements that will guarantee the following: 1) When a consumer buys a can of "green" beans, he can be sure that the beans will be a certain natural color of green, and the color will be uniform year after year. 2) When a U.S. citizen purchases "wild" rice, they will be assured that the rice was not grown by conventional methods, but that, indeed, the rice was gathered from "wildlands" and not commercial farms. 3) When you buy a carton of "French vanilla" ice cream, you can be certain that the beans that produced the vanilla were harvested in France by French farmers, and that the dairy personnel who processed the ice cream were speaking the French language as they mixed the French ingredients. Officals were uncertain how they would apply the certification requirements to the varieties of ice cream known as "rocky road" and "tin roof sundae." The secretary continued "We don't know how long this certification proposal will take, nor do we know how much additional funding will be requested from congress, but our goal is to have the new certification requirements in place by 2008. We've had a staff of 74 scientists and linguists working on this proposal for three years and they have done a wonderful job. I want to assure farmers that this is a step forward for agriculture, and will not affect the profitability of their operations whatsoever. The cost to have 'green' bean, 'Wild' rice and 'French vanilla' inspectors visit their farming operation for certification will be minimal. We all want this to be as painless as possible for our agricultural community and we hope this will help small farmers continue to build a niche for themselves." For a copy of the 433-page certification proposal on food adjectives, visit the following website: http://www.howdidwegettothispoint.com/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Mar 3 13:44:54 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA15148 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA11481 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25663; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:40:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25532 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:38:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.11.218.2] ([206.11.218.2]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA20342 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:38:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.aveda.com by [206.11.218.2] via smtpd (for ns.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) with SMTP; 3 Mar 1998 18:41:21 UT Received: by mail.aveda.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1XPPKGFK>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:39:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199803031838.MAA20342@mixer.visi.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:38:17 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Ann Rinkenberger To: "'csa-l@prairienet.org'" Subject: Volunteers in MN needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 362 Harvest Moon Community Farm, a non-profit organization located in Scandia, Minnesota, (about 40 minutes north of downtown Minneapolis & St. Paul) will be starting a farm school this summer, and is in search of volunteers to fill several unpaid opportunities (teaching assistants, public relations/communications intern, web site designer, development consultant, and development assistant). The farm school will provide an opportunity for 3-11 years olds to learn about rural life, farm animals, nature, organic gardening, crafts, music, and down-to-earth skills. Some activities will include: planting and harvesting vegetables, herbs, and flowers; feeding and caring for animals; gathering eggs; preserving and enhancing wildlife habitats; making herbal soap and candles; cooking food in a kitchen and over an open fire; developing a greater understanding, respect, and care for our environment; and developing skills in tie dying, painting, drawing, printmaking, and quilting. If these topics interest you...and you want to make a significant difference in the lives of children this summer, then please review the following positions, and apply for the one that interests you the most: Teaching Assistants (3 positions available) - to assist with the teaching of classes and special projects in organic gardening, farm animal care, protecting the environment, arts & crafts, rural living, and nature. Lesson plans will be provided, but the T.A. can adapt them as needed. Expertise in all areas is not necessary; but enthusiasm for educating children and expanding one's skills and knowledge is. Most work will be outside. Minimum number of hours per week: 10. Days to choose from: Mondays-Thursdays. Web Site Designer (1 position available for the creation; 1 for ongoing maintenance. The positions can be combined) - to create a web site based on information and some images that are supplied to you. Assist with on-going programming or train the director to do simple modifications to site as needed. Prior experience in web site development is necessary, and a graphic design background is preferred. Individual will work out of his/her home or business during March and April for a May 1st web site launch. Ongoing work would require about 10 hours per month. Public Relations/Communications Intern (2 positions available) - to develop a marketing and promotions plan, write press releases, create a media list, send mailings as needed, secure free press, take photographs and submit to local papers, assist with the writing and design of a weekly flier sent to parents, assist with the writing and design of a monthly newsletter, and assist with web site development and maintenance. Intern would work between 8-10 hours per week for one or two days (Monday-Thursday). Development Consultant and Assistant (2 positions available) - to assist in the development of a fundraising plan - including corporate and foundation support, a membership drive, and contributions drive. Write direct mail letters, create fliers, and write/call businesses for in-kind donations. Writing and/or fundraising background preferred. Individuals will create their own schedules and work out of their homes. Minimum time commitment is about 4-6 hours per week. If you are interested in applying for one of the positions, please send your resume and a letter describing which position you are interested in to: Ann Rinkenberger, Harvest Moon Community Farm, 14363 Oren Road North, Scandia, MN 55073. You may also respond via email to this notice or fax your information to: (612) 433-4652. If you know of anyone who would be interested in any of these positions, please pass this notice onto him/her. Posting of this notice is also encouraged and appreciated. Thank you for your interest and support! Ann Rinkenberger Executive Director Harvest Moon Community Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 6 11:59:49 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA23267 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA05741 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07799; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:57:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from blue.georgian.net (root@blue.georgian.net [204.101.160.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07736 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:57:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.172.13.61] (organix.georgian.net [206.172.13.61]) by blue.georgian.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25205 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:57:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:57:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: organix@georgian.net (Tomas L. Nimmo) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Question to all about 'CSA season extension' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: organix@mail.georgian.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 363 Hello: I have previously posted on this forum regarding a CSA Market Development Manual I'm writing. I have a question for anyone who would like to take a stab at it: Imagine: A CSA market garden grower in the Great Lakes Region runs a 6-acre plot from which s/he sells 100 shares and 20 half-shares. Season duration is 20 weeks... mid-June through late October. What would be a good cropping plan/strategy for extending this enterprise's share-delivery to 24 weeks? To 28 weeks? I realize this imaginary farm leaves out all the details, but I'd appreciate hearing your ideas and techniques. Tomas Nimmo Collingwood, Ontario (705) 444-0923; FAX: 444-0380 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 6 15:56:02 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA04872 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA07724 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10968; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:27:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from radiks.net (jwoods@sr.radiks.net [205.138.126.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10918 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:27:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jwoods@localhost) by radiks.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17975; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:26:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:26:33 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jay Woods To: "Tomas L. Nimmo" Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Question to all about 'CSA season extension' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jwoods@radiks.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 364 Two approaches that extend the season come to mind. The older method is the use of perennials and biennials. Crops such as asparagus and parsnips allow an earlier season and winter crops such as cabbages and radishes along with late harvesting tree fruit and nuts extend the fall season. The second is to use row covers and "tunnels" to extend the season both ways. I am experimenting with using "tunnels" on the perennials (that are not trees) to get earlier crops. It has worked so far on various berries. ---Jay On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Tomas L. Nimmo wrote: > Hello: I have previously posted on this forum regarding a CSA Market > Development Manual I'm writing. > > I have a question for anyone who would like to take a stab at it: > > Imagine: A CSA market garden grower in the Great Lakes Region runs a 6-acre > plot from which s/he sells 100 shares and 20 half-shares. Season duration > is 20 weeks... mid-June through late October. > > What would be a good cropping plan/strategy for extending this enterprise's > share-delivery to 24 weeks? > > To 28 weeks? > > I realize this imaginary farm leaves out all the details, but I'd > appreciate hearing your ideas and techniques. > > Tomas Nimmo > Collingwood, Ontario > (705) 444-0923; FAX: 444-0380 > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Mar 10 23:10:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA10730 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA21136 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA24652; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:07:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24594 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:06:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA10700; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17066; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:49 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: scullen@onr.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Small farm for sale. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 365 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:39:44 -0600 From: suzette cullen I have a nursery. greenhouse, residence outside of Austin, Tx. for sale, on 1 acre. I am looking for sites to post the sale, organic gardening has been practiced for about 3 years on this property. Thanks, Suzette Cullen scullen@.juno.com From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Mar 10 23:11:06 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA10776 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 45339 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <227384-4161>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:07:54 -0500 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 51801 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <227634-4162>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:07:08 -0500 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA10700; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17066; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: scullen@onr.com, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Small farm for sale. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 366 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:39:44 -0600 From: suzette cullen I have a nursery. greenhouse, residence outside of Austin, Tx. for sale, on 1 acre. I am looking for sites to post the sale, organic gardening has been practiced for about 3 years on this property. Thanks, Suzette Cullen scullen@.juno.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 13 09:26:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA10997 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA04630 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08030; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:23:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07947 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:23:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803131423.IAA07947@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:19:02 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: "CSA List" Subject: Nitrates in Greens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 367 At the Midwest Organic Farmers Conference in Wisconsin last month we heard some disturbing information about the build-up of nitrates in greens, including lettuce, other salad greens and cooking greens (especially Swiss chard). Specifically, we were advised that it is inappropriate to pick lettuce and other greens in the morning (that is when we like to pick , in the cool of the day) as nitrates can build up to serious levels over night; exposure to 4-6 hours of sun dissipates the nitrate concentration. Fall-grown greens are, according to the speaker, particularly vulnerable because of reduced sunshine and shorter days. There is also some risk of build up of nitrates if the greens are stored above 35 degrees or so for any length of time, we were told. While we are certainly interested in avoiding health risks this seemed to be alarmist. Does anyone have specific information on this? Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 13 12:40:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA15058 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA26852 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00474; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:38:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.124.128.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00429 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:37:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA30247; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:37:17 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:37:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm Cc: CSA List Subject: Re: Nitrates in Greens In-Reply-To: <199803131423.IAA07947@coneflower.prairienet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 368 I have heard this as well and don't pick/sell greens from Nov. til March, but the March pickings are winter grown plants. I'd appreciate learning more. Suzy, are you out there? I have lost your address. Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm wrote: > At the Midwest Organic Farmers Conference in Wisconsin last month we heard > some disturbing information about the build-up of nitrates in greens, > including lettuce, other salad greens and cooking greens (especially Swiss > chard). Specifically, we were advised that it is inappropriate to pick > lettuce and other greens in the morning (that is when we like to pick , in > the cool of the day) as nitrates can build up to serious levels over night; > exposure to 4-6 hours of sun dissipates the nitrate concentration. > Fall-grown greens are, according to the speaker, particularly vulnerable > because of reduced sunshine and shorter days. There is also some risk of > build up of nitrates if the greens are stored above 35 degrees or so for > any length of time, we were told. > > While we are certainly interested in avoiding health risks this seemed to > be alarmist. Does anyone have specific information on this? > > Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Mar 13 13:15:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA15596 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA00011 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03517; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:12:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03264 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:09:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.102.67.72] (pm3shep1-68-133.intrepid.net [206.102.68.133]) by intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17006 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:17:00 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Intergalactic Garage To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Nitrates in Greens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 369 Michelle / Suzy - This is something I've been concerned with for some time after running across the old New Alechemy information regarding dangerous levels of nitrates in winter greens. My own subsequent research revealed that actually a fair amount of literature has been written on this topic. I have a rather large stack of information here from Woods End (the lab which did the analysis for New Alchemy) which I have not had a chance to fully analyze. After I do, I'll put up a page on my findings, but I can pass on the paraphrase of the study: In the summer, eat salad, in the winter, drink soup or even natural people can't get away with fooling Mother Nature. It's these little quirks where logic fails and common sense is not realiable enough for us to be certain that our product is not detrimental to the people who eat it that draws to my attention how necessary it is for all of us who are working to produce healthy food for healthy families to find associations such as this one where we can share and discuss both the front and the backsides of novel, and seemingly harmless, methods of increasing our productivity and yields. -Allan Balliett =============== >I have heard this as well and don't pick/sell greens from Nov. til March, >but the March pickings are winter grown plants. I'd appreciate learning >more. > Suzy, are you out there? I have lost your address. Michelle > >Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, >27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 > On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm wrote: > At the Midwest Organic Farmers Conference in Wisconsin last month we heard > some disturbing information about the build-up of nitrates in greens, > including lettuce, other salad greens and cooking greens (especially Swiss > chard). Specifically, we were advised that it is inappropriate to pick > lettuce and other greens in the morning (that is when we like to pick , in > the cool of the day) as nitrates can build up to serious levels over night; > exposure to 4-6 hours of sun dissipates the nitrate concentration. > Fall-grown greens are, according to the speaker, particularly vulnerable > because of reduced sunshine and shorter days. There is also some risk of > build up of nitrates if the greens are stored above 35 degrees or so for > any length of time, we were told. > > While we are certainly interested in avoiding health risks this seemed to > be alarmist. Does anyone have specific information on this? > > Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm > >>My Opinions are my own!!<< =========================================================================== To Post to the Bio-Dynamics Mailing list: bd-l@biodynamics.com =========================================================================== Subscribe to BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century the Bi-Monthly Magazine about Developments in the Art and Science of Biodyamics. Noted viticulturist, orchardist and Biodynamic growing consultant, Alan York, editor. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Mar 25 11:35:58 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA07880 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA05290 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07254; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:33:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (root@alpha.vaxxine.com [198.53.148.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07192 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:32:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp171.st-cath.niagara.net [198.53.148.190]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04279 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:32:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251632.LAA04279@alpha.vaxxine.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:32:40 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Laura Sabourin To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: how much to grow !/!?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: laura_s@vaxxine.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 370 I'm sure this is the most often asked (and hardest to answer) question. For my first year CSA, I had planned to have 10 shares (based on 2 people not 4). The response has been great so I am considering acception 20 members. I realizemost CSA's base a share on a family of 4 so you could consider my shares to be 1/2 shares. Does someone have a planting guideline, suitable to zone 6B ? or similar ie Northern NY state ? Thanks Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc - Organic Farm Ragenesque Ragdoll Cattery R R # 1, St. Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7 http://www.vaxxine.com/laura From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Mar 31 09:39:03 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA10609 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA20606 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24054; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:36:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from whidbey.whidbey.com (whidbey.whidbey.com [204.94.52.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23882 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:35:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.94.52.203] (asn203.whidbey.com [204.94.52.203]) by whidbey.whidbey.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA29251 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:34:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:34:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: petersns@whidbey.com (Petersons family) To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: burlap bags Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: petersns@mail.whidbey.com (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 371 One of our CSA members has a coffee roasting business and brings us burlap bags by the truckload. We've easily found uses for the 10-15 bags/year that came our way before this; truckloads are a challenge. Do any of you have experience using this resource?( my daughter says"I've got it, Mom: We'll re-paper(bag) the swamp!" I tried them as flooring in our tunnel greenhouse, and got mold and mildew. They're great for keeping certain crucial areas of the chicken yard from becoming a mud wallow - this is the Pacific Northwet. I"m using them now to cover paths in the perennial beds, but there's still big pile. Some of the bags are from organic coffee, some are not. We worry a bit about herbicide/pesticide residue on the bags, although I've been assured that would be on the husk, not the bean. Any ideas are welcome. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 1 20:41:25 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA23542 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA18436 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA06424; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:38:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.tds.net (mail.tds.net [204.246.1.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06343 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:37:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mycp.tdsnet.com (buwiusr0-a40.bbw.tds.net [208.137.65.232]) by mail.tds.net (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04488 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:37:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <001001bd5dd7$ee3144c0$e84189d0@mycp.tdsnet.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:37:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Marv Hughes" <@mail.tds.net@mail.tds.net> Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Marv Hughes" To: Subject: Organic Seeds/Plants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5DA5.9A85F820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 372 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5DA5.9A85F820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Am expanding from a hobbie garden into a start up CSA this season. Am = looking a source where I can purchase large quanties of Strawberries, = Aspargus blueberry and other similar plants. I have 14 acre an plan on = dedicating 3 to CSA this year. I would like to grow organic soy beans = on the remaing 11 acre as as a cash crop and also to fix nitrogen for = next years expansion and crops. So I'm also looking for a source where I = can purchase wholesale soybeans that are proven and tested under organic = growing conditions in the Midwest (Wisconson) area . Would appreaciate = any sources or suggestion you may have. =20 Thanks Marv Hughes Badger Botanical Farms =20 hughesm@bbw.tds.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5DA5.9A85F820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Am expanding from a hobbie garden = into a start=20 up CSA this season.  Am looking  a source where I can purchase = large=20 quanties of Strawberries, Aspargus blueberry and other similar = plants.  I=20 have 14 acre an plan on dedicating 3 to CSA   this year. I = would like=20 to grow organic soy beans on the remaing 11 acre as as a cash crop and = also to=20 fix nitrogen for next years expansion and crops. So I'm also looking for = a=20 source where I can purchase wholesale soybeans that are proven and = tested under=20 organic growing conditions in the Midwest (Wisconson) area . Would = appreaciate=20 any sources or suggestion you may = have.    
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5DA5.9A85F820-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Apr 2 01:15:58 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA00699 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA25144 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21087; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from tempest.nac.net (tempest.nac.net [209.123.20.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20678 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:08:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 8100 invoked from network); 2 Apr 1998 01:04:34 -0500 Received: from nac-den2-s13.nac.net (HELO sys-a) (207.99.2.83) by tempest.nac.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 1998 01:04:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199804020608.AAA20678@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:08:16 -0500 Reply-To: mailbox@gsenet.org Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Phil Reynolds" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: BIODYNAMIC GARDENING COURSE - SPRING VALLEY NY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 373 980402 BIODYNAMIC GARDENING COURSE - SPRING VALLEY NY :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Date: 980402 From: enerjet@aol.com A One-Year Part-Time Program of the Pfeiffer Center BIODYNAMICS A scientific and spiritual approach to gardening and farming. "If you live a life in balance with the universe...all nature is your congratulation, and you have cause momentarily to bless yourself." -- Henry David Thoreau There is a delicate balance to the coexistence of all living things. Through an understanding of this interdependence, we can maintain harmony and encourage healing. During the course of our one year program, we will teach the Biodynamic approach, a holistic and healing method of ecological farming, gardening and landscaping...a practice which has been developed for over 70 years, on millions of acres, in every climate. Through talks, hands-on participation and observation, we will explore composting, pest management, companion planting and planetary influences. This is a thoroughly unique opportunity to learn how to work with nature rather than manipulating it. COURSE DETAILS The course consists of eight weekend sessions which begin September 12, 1998 and end with a five day intensive in the Summer of 1999. * Saturday, September 12, 1998, 9am-5pm Introduction: Evaluation, Environment and Ecology * Friday Evening, Saturday, October 2-3, 1998, 8pm-9:30pm & 9am-5pm Creating and understanding the healing and harmonizing effects of biodynamic preparations. A hands-on workshop. * Saturday, October 24, 1998, 9am-5pm Soil science and composting. A hands-on session with composting expert Will Brinton, Director of the Woods End Research Laboratories in Maine. * Saturday, November 21, 1998, 9am-5pm The influence of cosmic forces on plant growth and nutritional qualities. * Saturday, February 20, 1999, 9am-5pm Life rhythms and garden tasks. * Saturday, March 20, 1999, 9am-5pm The 4-fold plant, crop rotation, pest management and bees. * Saturday, April 17, 1999, 9am-5pm Water, H2O or much more? A fascinating discovery/adventure with Jennifer Greene, Director of the Water Research Institute in Blue Hills, Maine. * Saturday, May 15, 1999, 9am-5pm Planetary influences on plant forms and colors. * Late June or early July, Monday-Friday An intensive week, reviewing and applying the material covered during the course. We will concentrate on application of the biodynamic sprays, compost and herb tea, weed and pest management, companion planting and bees. Gunther Hauk, Director of the Pfeiffer Center, will be the principal instructor, drawing on over 20 years of experience as a biodynamic gardener and teacher in Germany. LOCATION The campus is on the grounds of the Threefold Educational Foundation, and Sunbridge College in Chestnut Ridge, N.Y. (formerly Spring Valley). The campus includes the site of the first biodynamic garden in North America, originally planted in 1927. TUITION $1,000 includes all materials. Participants in the full course will receive a certificate of completion. ROOM & BOARD Housing is available at the Holder House student residence, in private homes or at the Holiday Inn in Montvale, N.J. Room rates range from $25-50, depending on the type of accommodation. APPLICATION Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Address ---------------------------------------------------------------------- City/State/Zip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Home Phone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Work Phone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fax ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You will be sent confirmation of your registration along with a registration packet. Applications should be sent to: Pfeiffer Center Threefold Educational Foundation 260 Hungry Hollow Road Spring Valley NY 10977 A $25 deposit (non-refundable) should accompany your application. Please make your check payable to Threefold Educational Foundation. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION Threefold Educational Foundation 260 Hungry Hollow Road Spring Valley NY 10977 Tel: 914-352-5020 x 20 Fax: 914-352-5071 Email: enerjet@aol.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * G A R D E N S T A T E E N V I R O N E T * * Tel 973-586-4128 MAILBOX@GSENET.ORG Fax 973-627-8616 * * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * * EcoNet Conference: env.nj * * WWW Site: http://www.gsenet.org * * Listserver: majordomo@igc.org subscribe gsenet-L * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * =END= From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Apr 5 04:56:59 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id EAA05151 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id EAA01191 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA10038; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:54:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09994; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:50:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GreenManFm@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 8PTFa10381; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:49:37 -0500 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:49:37 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: GreenManFm To: petersns@whidbey.com, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: burlap bags Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 374 Do your burlap bags bio-degrade? Why not just compost your unused bags? Or, use them in the "lasagna" method of composting. In the late fall, cover your "cover" crop, (or sod, or any place grown over with light vegetation) with the bags where you intend to cultivate and plant in the coming season. Leave them there to block out the sun from the plants underneath so they die and add to the humus in the following spring, when you can easily till under the remaining material, (as long as the bags decompose over the winter). This saves you from having to double till in the spring because you won't have any living plant material left by then when you till only once before planting. Let me know what you end up with. And if you still have too many of those things, maybe I could take them off your hands! Martin Nyberg The GreenMan Farm Vashon, WA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 15 11:57:11 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA22241 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA05571 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10043; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:54:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10008 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.181.214] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id KAA58240 (8.8.6/50); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:54:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980415110538.006b555c@facstaff.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:05:38 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Bob Meyer To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Apprentice Opportunity w/ WI CSA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rhmeyer1@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 375 LUNA CIRCLE FARM is looking for apprentices. Contact Tricia, Rt. 1 Box 126CC, Gays Mills, WI 54631 tel (608) 735-4990. Luna Circle is a wimmin-owned and operated organic vegetable farm. We are dedicated to an ideal of low-input, small-scale agriculture and to carrying on the tradition of wimmin in farming. We raise over 40 kinds of vegetables, herbs, and flowers on 3 acres, and sell at the Madison (WI) Farmer's Market and through our CSA in the Madison area. We live off-grid using alternative technology such as a windmill and an outhouse. Apprentices learn all aspects of organic vegetable farming from seeding, transplanting, and weeding to harvesting and marketing. Apprentices also learn some seed-saving, canning, root-cellaring, and other rural living skills. This year we will be putting in strawberry and raspberry beds. Apprentices are needed May 1 to October 31. We prefer a 6 month commitment, but wimmin can come for 3-6 months. A new building for housing apprentices is currently under construction. It will provide a small private room for each apprentice and a communal kitchen area. We all share cooking and cleaning responsibilities. The farm provides food and all meals are vegetarian and vegan. We also offer a monthly stipend. Many recreational activiities (e.g. hiking, biking, canoeing) exist in the area. Please respond by phone or mail to Tricia at the above address, or respond by email to Astrid Newenhouse, astridn@facstaff.wisc.edu. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Apr 24 10:40:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA19884 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA28347 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15277; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:30:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dry3.jps.net (dry3.jps.net [208.25.63.31]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15196 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.142.56.91] ([209.142.56.91]) by dry3.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10736 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:37:10 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marcie Rosenzweig To: CSA-l post Subject: Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: fullcircle@mail.jps.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 376 Hi all, Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? I've seen a lot less activity this year in farms asking for apprentices, and I've gotten virtually no response to my own postings. This is getting scary as we can't do this alone. Anybody got similar problems? Marcie From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Apr 24 12:57:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA22728 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA15149 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27477; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:53:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from batnet.com (wombatnet.batnet.com [140.174.136.17]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27416 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:53:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from IP10-10.DBC.COM by batnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB09330; Fri, 24 Apr 98 09:49:05 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980424165052.008fa85c@pop.batnet.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:50:52 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Loren Davidson To: Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: beauty@pop.batnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 377 At 07:37 AM 4/24/98 -0800, Marcie Rosenzweig wrote: >Hi all, > >Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? I've seen a lot less >activity this year in farms asking for apprentices, and I've gotten >virtually no response to my own postings. This is getting scary as we >can't do this alone. Anybody got similar problems? Well, from what I recall of your posts to this list, you were strongly emphasizing prior experience as one of the qualifications you were seeking. The definition of "apprentice" that I recall from school was that of a learning position. The emphasis on experience might have intimidated some otherwise good people from applying. Perhaps you'll need to be willing to do a little more training than you were hoping to do. I also don't know where else you've done your looking, but if you haven't done so already, you might advertise with your client base - maybe some of them are interested or have high school age kids who would like to learn organic farming. You might also try local health food stores, even as far away as Sacramento, and local high school vocational offices. There's also an organization, more active abroad than in the US, called WWOOF: Willing Workers On Organic Farms. I don't currently have contact info for them, but either someone else on this list does or you can find them quickly with a Web search. Good luck, Loren -- Loren Davidson Permaculturist. Poet. Philosopher. loren@wombat.net http://www.batnet.com/beauty/ Medical Marijuana in California - it's not just a good idea, it's THE LAW! From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Apr 24 15:27:00 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA25445 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA12787 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07698; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:22:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hirama.hiram.edu (hirama.hiram.edu [143.206.40.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07573 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:20:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 143.206.106.8 ([143.206.106.8]) by hirama.hiram.edu with SMTP; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3540AE48.F8C@hiram.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:23:25 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jan Goodland Metz To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? References: <2.2.32.19980424165052.008fa85c@pop.batnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 378 At a regional OEFFA meeting here in Northeast Ohio, a young man mentioned that he wants to put togethor a newsletter which helps interns find farms and farms find interns. You can contact him at Michael Kaplan, 3160 Meadowbrook, Cleveland Hts., OH 44118. He passed out a zerox letter asking for information and to send letters to him at the above address. let us know what happens Jan Goodland Metz Meadowlark Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Apr 25 10:33:21 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA14834 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA21315 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21809; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21778 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:29:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804251429.JAA21778@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:21:06 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 379 ---------- > From: Jan Goodland Metz > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble getting an apprentice? > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:23 AM > > At a regional OEFFA meeting here in Northeast Ohio, a young man > mentioned that he wants to put togethor a newsletter which helps interns > find farms and farms find interns. You can contact him at Michael > Kaplan, 3160 Meadowbrook, Cleveland Hts., OH 44118. He passed out a > zerox letter asking for information and to send letters to him at the > above address. > > let us know what happens > > Jan Goodland Metz > Meadowlark Farm This seems a really good idea: we have had several calls from our listings for apprentices (Willing Workers... and ATTRA) from folks who could not find a place to apprentice, so there is a need for putting work and situation together! Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Apr 25 18:56:26 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA18940 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27297 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12678; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.stlnet.com (root@mail.stlnet.com [209.96.6.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12650 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from stlnet.com (MOTNT02-95.stlnet.com [209.96.3.95]) by mail.stlnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09355 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3542690D.A8A5293A@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:51:57 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: a To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: 4 sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 380 We are hanging up the hoes. for sale: two hoop house frames....20X96 two Model G's with cultivators one refrigerated delivery truck with electric stand-by some three point implements... liliston rolling cultivators ... two of 'em roto tiller ... befco 60" disc bedder bed shaper plastic layer gang of four planet junior seeders two row transplanter with fingerling potato adapters potato plow 6000 feet of 3" aluminum irrigation pipe, with Wade Rain bells and Rain Bird Sprinkler heads portable 3' pump with Honda gas engine, suction lines etc. Buddingh weeders for the G's .. ... two of 'em also for G's, mold board plow two new tires, shovels, sweeps, custom cultivators, etc, also, we have a dandy portable roadside stand. one of a kind, built last season, really neat a few other items if interested please reply andy & abbie ashley all prices fair and negotiable we will stand behind everything except the manure spreader. sold that already anyway 314-536-2236 . From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Apr 26 12:29:43 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA29473 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA11491 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11877; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:25:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11840 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:25:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (usr1-d40.cwnet.com [209.21.20.40]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.1) with SMTP id JAA13037 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft Mail id <01BD70F7.5E20C1C0@localhost>; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:40:37 -0700 Message-Id: <01BD70F7.5E20C1C0@localhost> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:40:36 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Frances & Nigel Walker To: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Subject: FW: community supported agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 381 -----Original Message----- From: MrsKurz [SMTP:MrsKurz@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 1998 2:55 AM To: organic@eatwell.com Subject: community supported agriculture We're looking for CSAs in western Massachusetts - can you help? Thanks! Penny & Kurzy mrskurz@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Apr 27 07:30:34 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12166 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA18377 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA27522; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:26:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27485 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FranksFarm@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BARAa02804 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5c7d3772.35446b37@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:40 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: FranksFarm To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: community supported agriculture/ Kentucky Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 382 Hey, Any CSA"ers out in Kentucky? I'd love to hear about them, and would welcome any advice or tips as I hope to start a small CSA from scratch. I'd especially like info on: 1- ( Sorting, Grading and Packing )machines. 2- ( Planting and Harvesting )machines. 3- ( Physical , Chemical and Mechanical )properties of seeds and fruits. Thank you so much, and best wishes to all. frank From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Mon Apr 27 07:30:41 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12171 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 63869 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <239905-21534>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:26:11 -0400 Received: from TIMEDOUT@imo26.mx.aol.com (port 2934 [198.81.17.70]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <239900-21532>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:25 -0400 Received: from FranksFarm@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id SPAZa02437; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8e598ef2.35446b32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:37 EDT Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: FranksFarm To: homestead@listserv.oit.unc.edu, permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, CSA-L@prairienet.org, FranksFarm@aol.com Subject: Organic Rules Ltr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 383 Hey, We only have till 4/30/98 to make our voices heard on the proposed rule, which most organic growers, and even the National Organic Board is strongly opposed to because it permits the use of sewer sludge, genetic enginneering,irradiation etc. It also creates a cumbersome , and possibly expensive certification process that will be a real burden to the small, local growers that I believe should be encouraged or even subsidized. Please make voice your concerns, and get your friends to do so also. Keep those cards and letters pouring in. For those who have not yet submitted >their 2 cents on the proposed ruling, point your browsers at >for an easy automated form letter to the President and dozens of >representatives down the line. >Please do it now. frank From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Apr 27 07:31:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12180 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA18483 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA27618; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27506 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:26:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FranksFarm@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id SPAZa02437; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8e598ef2.35446b32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:37 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: FranksFarm To: homestead@listserv.oit.unc.edu, permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, CSA-L@prairienet.org, FranksFarm@aol.com Subject: Organic Rules Ltr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 384 Hey, We only have till 4/30/98 to make our voices heard on the proposed rule, which most organic growers, and even the National Organic Board is strongly opposed to because it permits the use of sewer sludge, genetic enginneering,irradiation etc. It also creates a cumbersome , and possibly expensive certification process that will be a real burden to the small, local growers that I believe should be encouraged or even subsidized. Please make voice your concerns, and get your friends to do so also. Keep those cards and letters pouring in. For those who have not yet submitted >their 2 cents on the proposed ruling, point your browsers at >for an easy automated form letter to the President and dozens of >representatives down the line. >Please do it now. frank From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Apr 29 17:12:45 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA18202 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11316 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24332; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24183 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [206.169.227.94] (congo-94.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.227.94]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14820; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804292106.OAA14820@mom.hooked.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 14:05:55 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WEN4/mesa To: "BDA" , "Sustag" , "CSA member list" , "Dennis Sauer" , "Mailing List" Subject: Kenyan intern seeks host farm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 385 Greetings all--- Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA) seeks a 3 month farm placement for Henry Sibwoga, a 34 year old farmer-intern applicant from Kenya. Henry has hands-on experience in mixed vegetable crops, coffee, tea & poultry production plus oxen ploughing. He is well educated, in excellent health and very eager to make his program with MESA useful to his native peoples upon return. MESA seeks an appropriate organic or sustainably operated host farm for Henry from May 15th to August 31st. He will work full-time at your farm. Host farms provide housing and send monthly program fees to MESA ($725/mo. with meals provided or $850/mo. for independent accommodations). MESA will then provide Henry with $300-$425/mo. stipends, medical insurance, legal training visa, orientation and educational seminar, domestic travel and coordinator support. Hosts incur no payroll taxes. If you or anyone you know may be interested in hosting Henry---particularly if located on the West or East coast---please contact MESA ASAP. Please be able to provide at least two references from former interns or employees. Thank you for your time! Lauren E. Augusta, Executive Director Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA) 5337 College Ave., #508, Oakland, CA 94618 Tel: 510-654-8858/ Fax: 510-843-6280 http://www.wenet.net/~mesa/ "Promoting sustainable farming communities around the world through farmer-to-farmer exchange" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 1 16:50:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA01158 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA03275 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29026; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:45:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28777 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:41:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from usr2-d14.cwnet.com (usr2-d14.cwnet.com [209.21.20.62]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.1) with SMTP id NAA18697; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by usr2-d14.cwnet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7509.1D03B6A0@usr2-d14.cwnet.com>; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:57:43 -0700 Message-Id: <01BD7509.1D03B6A0@usr2-d14.cwnet.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:57:42 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Frances & Nigel Walker To: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Cc: "'dmccarth@alex.capcon.net'" Subject: FW: organic produce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 386 Can anyone help Debra with a CSA in DC? -----Original Message----- From: Debra McCarthy [SMTP:dmccarth@alex.capcon.net] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 1:33 PM To: organic@eatwell.com Subject: organic produce Help! I just moved to the Washington DC area from California and I am vegan! There's one store in my neighborhood (Fresh Fields) that tries to pass itself off as a vegie store. (It's really like an over-priced Giant). I NEED organic vegetables. Can you help me find a place, a farmer's market or even a local farmer who would drop off vegies in exchange for pre-payment. I live in Arlington, Virgina. Thanks a mil, Starved for clean green, Debra McCarthy dmccarth@alex.capcon.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri May 1 21:30:38 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA07554 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA11265 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA14677; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14569 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:23:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DRush35007@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BFQFa25732 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:22:54 +2000 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:22:54 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DRush35007 To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: New member introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 387 My name is David Rushton (Dave) is fine. I live in Oklahoma City U.S.A. I am hoping to buy a small piece of land here in the Oklahoma City area, and start a small farm/market garden, or a C.S.A. My gardening experience is limited to a few vegtables in my back yard, so I have lots of learning to do. I am currently working as a house parent in a group home for the deaf, and I work part time as a free lance sign language interpreter. My wife Chris works as a pre-school teacher/parent educator for the Even Start program that works with at risk families. The main problem for the next couple of years is how to make the transition to the point that we can support ourselves through farming. If anyone knows of any established C.S.A.'s around Oklahoma City, we would appreciate that information. We contacted the Biodynamic association, and they sent us a list of the two Biodynamic farms in Oklahoma, both of which are quite a ways from OKC. I am currently reading "Farms of the Future revisited" and would appreciate any and all suggestions for other rescources. Looking forward to learning from everyone, and keeping you updated on our situation. Dave From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon May 4 10:54:51 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA03691 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA25006 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10672; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:46:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emerald.tufts.edu (pmdf@emerald.tufts.edu [130.64.1.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10470 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:42:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by emerald.tufts.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23568) with SMTP id <0ESF00H01SUD9T@emerald.tufts.edu> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marla Rhodes To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: how to subscribe MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Envelope-to: csa-l@prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 388 Could someone send me subscription information to this csa list? I'm subscribed, but a friend wants to subscribe as well, and I can't find the subscription address--thanks ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Marla Rhodes Northeast Food System Partnership Information and Outreach Coordinator 617-627-2246 mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu Interested in sharing ideas and information about community food security and sustainable food systems in the Northeast? Sign up to the email group nefood-l. Send the message SUBSCRIBE NEFOOD-L YOUR NAME to the following address: listproc@listproc.tufts.edu. Leave the subject line blank. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon May 4 12:09:23 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA05499 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA14589 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17307; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emerald.tufts.edu (pmdf@emerald.tufts.edu [130.64.1.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17071 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by emerald.tufts.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23568) with SMTP id <0ESF00G01WGWSU@emerald.tufts.edu> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Marla Rhodes Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marla Rhodes To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: internship opp MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Envelope-to: csa-l@prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 389 Dear csa-l folks, I am posting this for Hartford Food Systems, a non-profit looking for 3 farm workers to start SOON...please pass along or post where you think there may be interest. Note, do not respond to my email but to the email listed below. Thanks. Marla Rhodes, Northeast Partnership * * * * * * * * SUSTAINABLE FOOD SYSTEM/AGRICULTURE INTERNSHIPS Holcomb Farm Organic CSA in Granby, CT seeks interns for the 1998 growing season. The 16-acre CSA grows over 50 types of vegetables, flowers and herbs and markets directly to both suburban households and to organizations which serve low-income Hartford residents. While the farm's focus is production, we are also involved in educational and community building programs. There will be opportunities to work with/educate visiting groups of all ages. Interns will get to spend 50-60 hours of their week involved in all aspects of organic production, including planting, cultivation, harvesting and distributing. A passion for growing vegetables, a strong work ethic, mechanical inclination, and a good sense of humor desirable. Positions offered May-June to Sept/Oct. Pay $150-250/week, assistance with housing possible, fresh vegetables...................... for more info, contact Mike Raymond, Hartford Food System at 860-296-9325 or email MRAYM10343@aol.com or Liz Wheeler, Hartford Food System, hfoods@erols.com ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Marla Rhodes Northeast Food System Partnership Information and Outreach Coordinator 617-627-2246 mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu Interested in sharing ideas and information about community food security and sustainable food systems in the Northeast? Sign up to the email group nefood-l. Send the message SUBSCRIBE NEFOOD-L YOUR NAME to the following address: listproc@listproc.tufts.edu. Leave the subject line blank. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 5 05:26:28 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id FAA06331 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 05:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id FAA00152 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 05:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA18002; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:21:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17966 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:21:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.126.25.150] (arboria-54.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.25.150]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21661 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:21:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:21:22 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: CSA-L Welcome, FAQ, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 390 Welcome everyone! I added several people to the CSA list today and am re-posting the CSA-L Frequently asked questions letter. There are 274 subscribers on the list now; mostly from the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Australia. Recently someone was generous enough to offer me a donation for maintaining this list. I appreciated the thought, but I'd prefer if donations were sent to the local freenet which houses the list. (A freenet is the internet equivelent of community radio.) Checks shoud be made out to UIF-Prairienet and sent to Prairienet, c/o UI Foundation, P.O. Box 3429, Champaign, IL 61826 John Barclay, Urbana, IL --------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions for CSA-L Networking List (available at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html) 1. What is CSA-L? 2. What is Community Supported Agriculture? 3. How do I subscribe to CSA-L? 4. How do I unsubscribe to CSA-L? 5. What is appropriate to post to CSA-L? 6. How do I post to CSA-L? 7. Who subscribes to CSA-L? 8. Where can I find archives of CSA-L? 9. How can I find a CSA where I live? 10. What are some useful CSA organizations? 11. What are some good books, articles, and videos of CSA? 12. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web. ******************************************************* 1. WHAT IS CSA-L? The e-mail list "CSA-L@prairienet.org" is for networking on Community Supported Agriculture. We hope to see discussions on goals, distribution styles, outreach tools, member retention, educational work, connections with non-CSA organizations, etc. We also would like to see the exchange of newsletter articles and information about resources on CSA such as networking organizations, books, journals, videos, audio tapes from conferences, speaker tours of interest to CSAs, etc. In short, we would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of as many CSA's as possible to help the CSA movement grow and strengthen! The listowners are John Barclay (jbarclay@prairienet.org) of Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois and Sarah Milstein (milstein@pipeline.com) of Just Food in New York, New York. ******************************************************* 2. What is Community Supported Agricutlure Community Supported Agriculture is a partnership between farmers and consumers. In CSA, consumers buy products directly from the farm, and pay for them in advance. Farmers do their best to produce sufficient quantity and quality of fresh, nutritious food for their customers' needs and palates. In some CSAs, people pay in advance to support a farm for a season. In return, these 'shareholders' or 'sharers' receive a share of whatever the farm has ready to harvest each week. In other CSAs, also called subscription farms, people subscribe to a share of a given value, prepaying monthly or quarterly. Although the size of subscription shares don't change throughout the year, the content varies with the season. CSA gives non-farmers a chance to get more involved in producing and distributing their own food. Farms sponsor tours, workdays, and even 'workshares' to bring shareholders out to the farm. CSAs also often ask shareholders to help deliver shares, sponsor drop-off sites, manage shareholder lists, write newsletters, and more ******************************************************* 2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname Lastname" in the message. Put your first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname and omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. ******************************************************* 3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "unsubscribe CSA-L" in the message. Omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. If this doesn't work, send an e-mail to jbarclay@prairienet.org and I will unsubscribe you. ******************************************************* 4. WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO POST TO CSA-L? All messages should meet the following criteria: -> Messages should be related to the purpose of the list. -> Messages should have a clear subject heading. -> Messages between individuals should not go to the entire list unless the information in them may be of interest to the list. -> Messages should include a good signature which includes your name, any organization that you represent, and where you are located geographically. -> Questions that are answered in the Frequently Asked Questions Postings (FAQs) should be avoided. These guidelines are to improve the quality and effectiveness of the list as a networking tool. As the number of subscribers to the list grows, the success of the list will depend on the quality of our postings. ******************************************************* 5. HOW DO I POST TO CSA-L? To post a message to the whole list, send it to CSA-L@prairienet.org In order to post to CSA-L, you must be subscribed to the list and send the message from the account name that you are subscribed on. In other words, If you have several e-mail accounts or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you subscribed from. ******************************************************* 6. WHO SUBSCRIBES TO CSA-L? Over 200 farmers, CSA members, students studying CSA, and other interested parties from around the world. To get a list of the subscribers send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "recipients CSA-L" in the body and a current list will be sent to you. Some subscriber biographies are available on the CSA-L web page. ******************************************************* 7. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA-L? On the world wide web at: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ ******************************************************* 8. HOW CAN I FIND A CSA WHERE I LIVE? CSANA has an online listing of CSAs at: http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA Call the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association toll-free CSA/BDA Consumer Hot Line (1-800-516-7797) to request a free list of the CSA/BDA farms and/or gardens in your state. CSA West is a resource for finding CSAs on the west coast of the U.S., especially California. (408/459-3964). They have an online listing of CSAs at: ******************************************************* 9. WHAT ARE SOME USEFUL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL RESOURCE ORGANIZATIONS ON CSA? CSA OF NORTH AMERICA (CSANA), founded by the recently deceased Robyn Van En, will be one of the lead organizations in the Northeast CSA Conference, scheduled for January 1998. Tel: 413.528.4374. http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA THE BIODYNAMIC FARMING AND GARDENING ASSOCIATION, Inc. is a major promoter of CSA in North America, especially in the Northeast. Located in Kimberton, PA, the Association publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, sponsors a CSA conference every winter and maintains a large and remarkably comprehensive database of established CSAs in North America. On request, the Association will provide a list of CSAs for any given area. They also sell Louise's Leaves. They can be reached at 1.800.516.7797 or PO Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19442. http://www.biodynamics.com/. EQUITY TRUST, INC. is a community development organization that has created a revolving-loan fund for CSAs to acquire and develop agricultural land with appropriate conservation easements and/or other tenure arrangements that serve both farmers and communities. Their Fund for Conservation and Community Supported Agriculture allows investors to make unusually safe, flexible financial investments that support progressive social change. Equity Trust also provides technical assistance and advises CSAs on lend tenure issues. Equity Trust can be reached at 539 Beach Pond Road, Voluntown, CT 06384. Tel: 860.376.6174. JUST FOOD. Just Food is building connections between urban communities and regional small farms. During the 1996-97 season, we were instrumental in enabling six new CSAs to begin delivery in New York City. For the 1997-98 season, Just Food will be focusing on low-income residents' access to CSA. We are not a core group, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU, AND WE CAN HELP YOUR CSA TAKE ROOT AND GROW IN THE CITY. Contact Sarah Milstein or Kathy Lawrence, at any point & with any questions: 290 Riverside Drive, #15D, New York, NY 10025-5287; Tel: 212/666.2168; Fax: 212.531.4849; Email: milstein@pipeline.com CSA WEST. CSA West was founded to expand the CSA movement by offering regional information to farmers, prospective and current CSA members, the media, student/interns, and related non-profit organizations. CSA projects are very much the product of a grassroots movement, where farmers and other CSA organizers swap information among themselves. We strive to expand this exchange of new ideas, tried-and-true practices, and helpful tips on running CSAs among new, old, and potential participants in the western United States. csawest@caff.org. 916-756-8518, extension 27; fax: 916-756-7857 US mail: CAFF, PO Box 363, Davis, CA 95617. http://www.caff.org/caff/programs/ MADISON AREA CSA COALITION (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ******************************************************* 10. WHAT ARE SOME GOOD BOOKS, ARTICLES, AND VIDEOS OF CSA? FARMS OF TOMORROW: COMMUNITY SUPPORTED FARMS, FARM SUPPORTED COMMUNITIES, by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden. Although published in 1990 -- only five years into the CSA movement in this country -- the book is still relevant today. With a section on the troubled relationship between modern agriculture, environment, people and food, plus profiles of seven CSAs that are beginning to address these problems, it's a very readable and useful work. Farms of Tomorrow is available from the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association (see above). A new version will be published later this year. COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE. . . MAKING THE CONNECTION. A 1995 HANDBOOK FOR PRODUCERS. Presented by University of California Cooperative Extension Placer County and Small Farm Center, UC Davis. 198 pages ** binder format. MAKING THE CONNECTION pulls together the experience of many innovative projects. While describing the diversity of CSA, this handbook for producers also addresses common questions and concerns including: What is CSA?, Developing a CSA, Finding and keeping members, Production for CSA, Managing the shares. $25. Contact UC Cooperative Extension at 916-889-7385 for ordering information or on the CSA-L web page or e-mail ceplacer@ucdavis.edu. THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL FOOD GUIDE, published by cornell coop extension, has excellent information and tips On eating local, seasonal produce. To order, call 607.255.2080. GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about CSA farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are $27/year. Gfm, fairplain publications, P.O. box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046; Tel/fax: 913.841.2559. ******************************************************* 11. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web? Links to all the web sites I can find related to CSAs can be found at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html I'm not dilligent about updating these web pages, but they are agood place to start. From nyej@vt.edu Tue May 5 12:12:10 1998 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA16744 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12850; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-7.sl031.cns.vt.edu [128.173.38.136]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14750; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505120845.006de104@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:08:45 -0400 To: llondon@bellsouth.net, london@sunsite.unc.edu, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org From: "jeanne A. nye" Subject: MESA Internship/J. Nye Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 391 This definately takes some money, but the info maybe useful to others... Jeanne >X-Originating-IP: [206.133.24.48] >From: "Erin Rice" >To: BuyGreen >Subject: MESA Internship/J. Nye >Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:36:16 PDT > >Hello Jeanne: > >I talked with the Director, Lauren Augusta, and she gave me the URL to >the website. It is http://www.wenet.net/~mesa/ >It is a really thorough website and has all the information that a >potential intern or farm sponsor would need to know. > >Some basic details of the program are: >1) The farm sponsor would need to provide room, board and $725/mo > ($850/mo w/out food)--the fee would be paid to MESA >2) MESA provides $300-$400/mo to the intern plus medical insurance, >domestic travel, J-1 visa, and administrative support > >To small farmers, the fee may seem exorbitant, but the interns are >farmers from their own country and have a lot of experience. They know >farming is hard work and are here to learn and share. > >I had the chance to work with MESA volunteers while I was a farm intern >in California and I found them to be integral to the farm life in the >valley where I worked. > >I really appreciate the help that you have given me. If you have any >questions about this program or if anyone is interested please let me >know. > >L.Erin Rice >lerin71@hotmail.com >703-330-2580 > >Lauren Augusta, Director of MESA(Multinational Exchange for Sustainable >Agriculture) >510-654-8858 > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h BuyGreen@vt.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 7 09:07:48 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA06802 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA14578 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09897; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:03:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from access1.lan2wan.com (root@access1.lan2wan.com [205.177.8.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09740 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from steve.lan2wan.com (pm1-21.lan2wan.com [205.177.8.61]) by access1.lan2wan.com (8.8.5/Config By A.D.Simmons) with SMTP id JAA15279 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980507160130.00696a28@access1.lan2wan.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:01:30 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steve Schultze To: csa-l@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: steve@access1.lan2wan.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 392 who csa-1 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 12 00:32:47 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA05034 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA17939 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19120; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19070 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:26:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hiper1-d157.cwnet.com (usr1-d30.cwnet.com [209.21.20.30]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.5/DCN8.8.1) with SMTP id VAA17241 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hiper1-d157.cwnet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7D25.C512D690@hiper1-d157.cwnet.com>; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:43:00 -0700 Message-Id: <01BD7D25.C512D690@hiper1-d157.cwnet.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:42:59 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Frances & Nigel Walker To: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Subject: Clip art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 393 Can anyone give us a good source of fruit, veggie,farm etc clip art for our csa newsletter, free or otherwise. Thanks...Nigel Walker From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 12 00:35:19 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA05081 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA18846 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19377; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:31:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19209 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:29:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Aagda@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BPWZa15187 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:27:59 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Aagda To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 394 Hello, I am writing a paper on CSA farms as a subculture for my Anthropology class. Can you help me out? Grace Olson Sunnyvale, CA From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue May 12 12:41:02 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12337 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 49726 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <17825-26509>; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:07 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 39327 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <17840-26508> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:35:13 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12272; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27013; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, permaculture@envirolink.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: Gone Postal (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 395 Let's work with Sal to help build a new self-regulating agricultural industry for small, local, natural-biological-ecological farmers and their valued customers and put the USDA thievery behind us!!! Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:09:21 -0700 From: sal Subject: Re: Gone Postal A lot of folks say give the USDA more rope and see if they can pull their selfs out the pit they dug for the organic grower yet  I feel the USDA  will just save more rope to hang their selfs.  The USDA  have broke the public/private partnership that Congress intended to establish in its passage of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1960.  The USDA published a proposed rule that is so unacceptable to the organic community and the public at large and caused the organic movement many hours of expense, time and dismay and seem like they are going to cause the organic movement even more time and money and steal even more of our meditation while the USDA  bum raps the organic growers saying we are no safer then conventional growers.  Because of this as well as on general principle we take strong exception to any fees  that this federal government would levy on organic certifiers,producers and processors to pay for the program .Not one cent!  I feel the certifiers  ,organic clubs,associations,inspectors,and growers and buyers should stay vigilant and I feel we should forget the USDA now and lets put all our energy into industry self regulation .  Tell the USDA they cannot have our certifiers nor our inspectors nor our growers processors handlers .  Get your own USDA agents. We have worked too hard for too long to just turn every thing we call ours to the USDA.  The USDA has show many of us that they are truly the wolf in sheeps' clothing and we would be a fool to let the fox watch the hen house.  First time shame on you second time shame on me for thinking  the leopard can change its spots.  The organic movement will keep on keeping on despite the USDA and all the little organic Gestapo that want to take over the organic movement . We are not the droids you are looking for.  We will overcome this day!  Lets us forget the USDA now and let us put all our energy into industry self regulation .  let us not waste another day trying to change the wolf into the shepherds. The USDA is a the problem and the organic movement is the solution.  Do you all want to be part of the problem? An organic growers homepage check out http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue May 12 12:41:06 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12345 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 49735 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <17839-26492>; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:10 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 39327 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <17840-26508> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:35:13 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12272; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27013; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, permaculture@envirolink.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: Gone Postal (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 396 Let's work with Sal to help build a new self-regulating agricultural industry for small, local, natural-biological-ecological farmers and their valued customers and put the USDA thievery behind us!!! Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:09:21 -0700 From: sal Subject: Re: Gone Postal A lot of folks say give the USDA more rope and see if they can pull their selfs out the pit they dug for the organic grower yet  I feel the USDA  will just save more rope to hang their selfs.  The USDA  have broke the public/private partnership that Congress intended to establish in its passage of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1960.  The USDA published a proposed rule that is so unacceptable to the organic community and the public at large and caused the organic movement many hours of expense, time and dismay and seem like they are going to cause the organic movement even more time and money and steal even more of our meditation while the USDA  bum raps the organic growers saying we are no safer then conventional growers.  Because of this as well as on general principle we take strong exception to any fees  that this federal government would levy on organic certifiers,producers and processors to pay for the program .Not one cent!  I feel the certifiers  ,organic clubs,associations,inspectors,and growers and buyers should stay vigilant and I feel we should forget the USDA now and lets put all our energy into industry self regulation .  Tell the USDA they cannot have our certifiers nor our inspectors nor our growers processors handlers .  Get your own USDA agents. We have worked too hard for too long to just turn every thing we call ours to the USDA.  The USDA has show many of us that they are truly the wolf in sheeps' clothing and we would be a fool to let the fox watch the hen house.  First time shame on you second time shame on me for thinking  the leopard can change its spots.  The organic movement will keep on keeping on despite the USDA and all the little organic Gestapo that want to take over the organic movement . We are not the droids you are looking for.  We will overcome this day!  Lets us forget the USDA now and let us put all our energy into industry self regulation .  let us not waste another day trying to change the wolf into the shepherds. The USDA is a the problem and the organic movement is the solution.  Do you all want to be part of the problem? An organic growers homepage check out http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue May 12 12:41:03 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12339 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 49720 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <17422-26507>; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:07 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 39327 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <17840-26508> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:35:13 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12272; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27013; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, permaculture@envirolink.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: Gone Postal (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 397 Let's work with Sal to help build a new self-regulating agricultural industry for small, local, natural-biological-ecological farmers and their valued customers and put the USDA thievery behind us!!! Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:09:21 -0700 From: sal Subject: Re: Gone Postal A lot of folks say give the USDA more rope and see if they can pull their selfs out the pit they dug for the organic grower yet  I feel the USDA  will just save more rope to hang their selfs.  The USDA  have broke the public/private partnership that Congress intended to establish in its passage of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1960.  The USDA published a proposed rule that is so unacceptable to the organic community and the public at large and caused the organic movement many hours of expense, time and dismay and seem like they are going to cause the organic movement even more time and money and steal even more of our meditation while the USDA  bum raps the organic growers saying we are no safer then conventional growers.  Because of this as well as on general principle we take strong exception to any fees  that this federal government would levy on organic certifiers,producers and processors to pay for the program .Not one cent!  I feel the certifiers  ,organic clubs,associations,inspectors,and growers and buyers should stay vigilant and I feel we should forget the USDA now and lets put all our energy into industry self regulation .  Tell the USDA they cannot have our certifiers nor our inspectors nor our growers processors handlers .  Get your own USDA agents. We have worked too hard for too long to just turn every thing we call ours to the USDA.  The USDA has show many of us that they are truly the wolf in sheeps' clothing and we would be a fool to let the fox watch the hen house.  First time shame on you second time shame on me for thinking  the leopard can change its spots.  The organic movement will keep on keeping on despite the USDA and all the little organic Gestapo that want to take over the organic movement . We are not the droids you are looking for.  We will overcome this day!  Lets us forget the USDA now and let us put all our energy into industry self regulation .  let us not waste another day trying to change the wolf into the shepherds. The USDA is a the problem and the organic movement is the solution.  Do you all want to be part of the problem? An organic growers homepage check out http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 12 12:42:25 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12366 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA10444 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22327; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22149 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:36:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12272; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27013; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, permaculture@envirolink.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: Gone Postal (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id LAA22150 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 398 Let's work with Sal to help build a new self-regulating agricultural industry for small, local, natural-biological-ecological farmers and their valued customers and put the USDA thievery behind us!!! Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:09:21 -0700 From: sal Subject: Re: Gone Postal A lot of folks say give the USDA more rope and see if they can pull their selfs out the pit they dug for the organic grower yet  I feel the USDA  will just save more rope to hang their selfs.  The USDA  have broke the public/private partnership that Congress intended to establish in its passage of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1960.  The USDA published a proposed rule that is so unacceptable to the organic community and the public at large and caused the organic movement many hours of expense, time and dismay and seem like they are going to cause the organic movement even more time and money and steal even more of our meditation while the USDA  bum raps the organic growers saying we are no safer then conventional growers.  Because of this as well as on general principle we take strong exception to any fees  that this federal government would levy on organic certifiers,producers and processors to pay for the program .Not one cent!  I feel the certifiers  ,organic clubs,associations,inspectors,and growers and buyers should stay vigilant and I feel we should forget the USDA now and lets put all our energy into industry self regulation .  Tell the USDA they cannot have our certifiers nor our inspectors nor our growers processors handlers .  Get your own USDA agents. We have worked too hard for too long to just turn every thing we call ours to the USDA.  The USDA has show many of us that they are truly the wolf in sheeps' clothing and we would be a fool to let the fox watch the hen house.  First time shame on you second time shame on me for thinking  the leopard can change its spots.  The organic movement will keep on keeping on despite the USDA and all the little organic Gestapo that want to take over the organic movement . We are not the droids you are looking for.  We will overcome this day!  Lets us forget the USDA now and let us put all our energy into industry self regulation .  let us not waste another day trying to change the wolf into the shepherds. The USDA is a the problem and the organic movement is the solution.  Do you all want to be part of the problem? An organic growers homepage check out http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-permaculture@envirolink.org Tue May 12 12:53:36 1998 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12560 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06289; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02940 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA12272; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27013; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: london@sunsite.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@envirolink.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, permaculture@envirolink.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: Gone Postal (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by envirolink.org id MAA02952 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 399 Let's work with Sal to help build a new self-regulating agricultural industry for small, local, natural-biological-ecological farmers and their valued customers and put the USDA thievery behind us!!! Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:09:21 -0700 From: sal Subject: Re: Gone Postal A lot of folks say give the USDA more rope and see if they can pull their selfs out the pit they dug for the organic grower yet  I feel the USDA  will just save more rope to hang their selfs.  The USDA  have broke the public/private partnership that Congress intended to establish in its passage of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1960.  The USDA published a proposed rule that is so unacceptable to the organic community and the public at large and caused the organic movement many hours of expense, time and dismay and seem like they are going to cause the organic movement even more time and money and steal even more of our meditation while the USDA  bum raps the organic growers saying we are no safer then conventional growers.  Because of this as well as on general principle we take strong exception to any fees  that this federal government would levy on organic certifiers,producers and processors to pay for the program .Not one cent!  I feel the certifiers  ,organic clubs,associations,inspectors,and growers and buyers should stay vigilant and I feel we should forget the USDA now and lets put all our energy into industry self regulation .  Tell the USDA they cannot have our certifiers nor our inspectors nor our growers processors handlers .  Get your own USDA agents. We have worked too hard for too long to just turn every thing we call ours to the USDA.  The USDA has show many of us that they are truly the wolf in sheeps' clothing and we would be a fool to let the fox watch the hen house.  First time shame on you second time shame on me for thinking  the leopard can change its spots.  The organic movement will keep on keeping on despite the USDA and all the little organic Gestapo that want to take over the organic movement . We are not the droids you are looking for.  We will overcome this day!  Lets us forget the USDA now and let us put all our energy into industry self regulation .  let us not waste another day trying to change the wolf into the shepherds. The USDA is a the problem and the organic movement is the solution.  Do you all want to be part of the problem? An organic growers homepage check out http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 12 16:47:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA15986 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA20747 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11526; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:42:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11379 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mda.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Tue, 12 May 98 15:41:47 -0500 Received: from STP-Message_Server by mda.state.mn.us with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:39:57 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:39:26 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Prescott Bergh" To: pbergh@mda-is.mda.state.mn.us, CSA-L@prairienet.org, Prescott.Bergh@state.mn.us Subject: Re: Clip art resource Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id PAA11382 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 400 The USDA Online Photo Center provides a complimentary source of high-quality digital photographs. The digital collection has grown to over 20,000 images. This is a work in progress and many of the categories are under construction. Check it out at http://www.usda.gov/oc/photo/opclibra.htm Prescott Bergh Sust. Ag. Prog. / Mn Dept. of Ag. 90 W. Plato Blvd. St. Paul, MN 55107 612-215-0367 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu May 14 17:21:09 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA29816 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA25056 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26814; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:15:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emerald.tufts.edu (pmdf@emerald.tufts.edu [130.64.1.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26711 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by emerald.tufts.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23568) with SMTP id <0ESY00101TOTNU@emerald.tufts.edu> for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Marla Rhodes Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marla Rhodes To: Frances & Nigel Walker Cc: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Subject: Re: Clip art In-Reply-To: <01BD7D25.C512D690@hiper1-d157.cwnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Envelope-to: CSA-L@prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 401 * Need some food graphics for documents? Try the following website to download some nice clipart: www.cateringnet.co.uk/clipart/clipfood.htm Check out the jolly laughing strawberry on page 4! -Marla Rhodes, Northeast Partnership On Mon, 11 May 1998, Frances & Nigel Walker wrote: > Can anyone give us a good source of fruit, veggie,farm etc clip art for our csa newsletter, free or otherwise. > Thanks...Nigel Walker ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Marla Rhodes, Northeast Partnership 617-627-2246 mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu Interested in sharing ideas and information about community food security and sustainable food systems in the Northeast? Sign up to the email group nefood-l. Send the message SUBSCRIBE NEFOOD-L YOUR NAME to the following address: listproc@listproc.tufts.edu. Leave the subject line blank. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 26 09:04:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA18410 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA25839 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01363; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:00:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01310 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.12.221.47] ([209.12.221.30]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 221 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:00:16 -0400 Message-Id: <356AC603.2428@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:39:16 -0500 Reply-To: tawndor@tidalwave.net Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: tawndor@tidalwave.net To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Farms of Tomorrow Revisited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C (Macintosh; U; 68K) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 402 (Note: readers are welcome to repost this material elsewhere, though we ask that you notify us of your intention first via e-mail, especially if you plan to alter the text in any way. - S.M. and TG. FARMS OF TOMORROW REVISITED: Copyright 1998 by Steven McFadden and Trauger Groh In 1990 when we wrote "Farms of Tomorrow" there were perhaps 60 community supported farms (CSAs) in America. Seven years later, when we returned to the subject to research our new book, "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited" (Jan., 1998), we found that there had been a phenomenal surge of growth in the movement, and a general deepening of commitment and knowledge among the existing farms. In the face of the world's general agricultural and social news, this struck us as wholesome and heartening. Our first book contained basic essays on new structures for community supported farms which acknowledged that farming is not just a business like any other profit-making business, but a precondition of all human life on earth, and a precondition of all economic activity. As such, farming is everyone's responsibility, and has likewise to be accessible for everyone. Emerging awareness of this reality was, we felt, steadily inspiring the creation of CSAs: new farms for a new time. The millennium, after all, lay just 10 years ahead. In addition to essays, "Farms of Tomorrow" contained case descriptions of community farms to give farmers, and those who aspire to become farmers, practical advice from people who were pioneering the movement, and also models of how the new ideas were being brought to life. The book was well received because it seemed to meet an imminent need in a world situation where fewer and fewer people participate in farming, which has become largely remote, industrialized, and mineralized, with harshly negative consequences for food quality, life quality, and the environment. Eventually the book was translated into Russian, Korean, and Japanese. When the original book sold out, the question arose of whether to reprint that version, or whether the experience of nearly seven years justified a new book. We decided for the latter -- to maintain the core of the first book, and to add the insights gained over the years. We named the new book "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited," for through it we revisit both the concepts, and the actual farms described in the first book, and are thus able to document their development. To round out our return visits, we added descriptions of many other farms that reveal yet other aspects of the central agricultural, environmental, economic, and social questions. We found a host of new CSAs to choose from, for by now there are nearly 1,000 CSAs, and they involve an estimated 100,000 households. We wrote five new essays on pertinent themes: the economic, spiritual and legal questions faced by CSAs; the development of community; the role of animals; and observations of farm-member families. We also made an effort to describe the larger context in which CSA arises -- global, industrial agriculture -- for this context is likely to have a continuing impact, as exemplified by the debate this year over the allegedly organic standards proposed by the USDA. To all this scholar Marcia Ostrom contributed an essay on the emergence of CSA coalitions, and land-trust expert Chuck Matthei authored an invaluable appendix on securing and holding land for the farms. Dozens of other people contributed insights via discussions or shared materials, and yet others offered beautifully written descriptions of their CSAs. Thus with this wide community support, we were enabled to enrich "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited" far beyond our original vision, and to produce a volume that we hope will stand in long and provocative service to the next stage of development. As we posited in our first book, and as we reiterate in this new volume, agriculture is the foundation of modern civilization. It will remain so in whatever ages are yet to come. Without a steady supply of clean, life-giving food, we have neither the leisure nor the energy to develop other aspects of life, such as industry, science and art. Worldwide, our agricultural foundation has been mutating dangerously. Global agricultural giants offer what is to many observers a troublesome vision of the future -- with the millennium now less than two years away. We share in the widely held view that our agricultural foundation requires immediate and comprehensive restructuring, that it might wisely support the cultures that rise upon it. But how can farmers and communities even begin to approach this task? Community farms, we have come to see, offer a range of clear, practical and enormously helpful possibilities. "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited" exists as a book because of the Biodynamic Association, which supported the research, writing, and publication. Thus, while insights come from all quarters, the new book is rich in both the foundational and emerging insights of biodynamics as articulated by a corps of veteran practitioners. We hope a wide range of citizens will be informed by these voices. After all, the problems of agriculture and the environment belong not just to a small minority of active farmers; they are the problems of all humanity, and thousands of people are searching for new ways and new solutions. As we conferred and looked to the universal questions of agriculture and society, and considered the manifold modern dimensions of these questions, we understood quickly that there is no universal solution. There is no simple recipe or remedy for the many challenges we face. But there are positive directions to move in. Hundreds of farmers and thousands of families are moving in those positive directions through the vehicle of CSA. Yet while the movement's growth has been phenomenal, it is still very much at the seedling stage of development. In plain terms, a CSA is a community-based organization of consumers and growers. The consumer households live independently, but agree to provide direct, up-front support for the local growers who produce their food. The growers agree to do their best to provide a sufficient quantity and quality of food to meet the needs and expectations of the consumers. In this way the farms and families form a network of mutual support, whether the community be a region, a neighborhood, a church, a school, or something else. Within the general framework of CSA there is wide latitude for variation, depending on the resources and desires of the participants. No two community farms are entirely alike. The experiments in farming described in "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited" represent new social and ecological forms of agriculture which have arisen in recent years while traditional family farms have declined and industrial agriculture has increased. These new farms involve many local families directly in the decisions and labor which produce the vegetables, fruits, milk, and meat they eat. As we revisited the subject to do research over the last two years, we learned that some CSAs have risen only to collapse. They failed because of poor growing technique, poor financial management, or poor community building skills. Yet many more community farms succeed than fail, and many important lessons have been learned. As we conceive of it -- and as it is being practiced at a great many farms -- CSA is not just another new and clever approach to marketing for farmers. Rather, community farming is about the necessary renewal of agriculture through its healthy linkage with the human community that depends upon farming for survival. From experience, we also see the potential of community farming as the basis for a renewal of the human relationship with the earth. While CSAs confront a host of challenges and questions, they do work: they feed people, they save energy and money, they take care of the land, they make it possible for people to farm the land on a sensible scale, and they bring networks of independent households back into direct connection with each other and the Earth. For increasingly large circles of families and farmers, CSAs are working. If not growing all the answers, these farms can at least be said to be cultivating the right questions. - END - ------------------------------------------------------------- Steven McFadden is the author of several non-fiction books on aging, wisdom, and contemporary Native American philosophy. He is director of The Wisdom Conservancy at 148 Merriam Hill Rd., Greenville, NH 03048. Trauger Groh has over 40 years experience as a farmer in Europe and America, and is an active farmer at the Temple-Wilton Community Farm, 135 Temple Rd., West Wilton, NH 03086. ------------------------------------------------------------- "Farms of Tomorrow Revisited: Community Supported Farms, Farm Supported Communities," by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden, 1998, 310 pp., Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association, Kimberton, PA (1-800- 516-7797) ISBN# 093825013-2 ------------------------------------------------------------- The book costs $17.50 US. To order, send a check for that amount plus $3.50 postage and handling (total $21.00) to: THE WISDOM CONSERVANCY at Merriam Hill Education Center 148 Merriam Hill Rd. Greenville, NH 03048 Order via credit card from: Chelsea Green, Inc. 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FOR GENERAL INFORMATION ON THIS ANNOUNCEMENT Contact Steven McFadden: Tawndor@tidalwave.net -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 26 10:17:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA20367 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA13835 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06141; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:13:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tully.jetstream.net (tully.jetstream.net [207.23.175.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06083 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:13:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [207.23.187.147] (I147-P56.jetstream.net [207.23.187.147]) by tully.jetstream.net (8.8.7/SCO5) with ESMTP id HAA08986 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sudoa Farm To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: farmer's market levys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 403 We participate at the Vancouver Farmers Market and supply tables, awnings, etc and pay a table rent of 25$ per 10 foot space - a decision by the board was made this year (no farmers are on the board) to levy farmers 5% off gross sales. There is some contention about this. I am seeking information from growers selling their products at farmers markets in urban centers -what fees do you pay, is there a levy? Thanks for your help. Anne Sudoa Farm, Notch Hill, BC awarren@jetstream.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue May 26 21:21:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA12056 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA16043 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20352; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from uranium.nb.net (uranium.nb.net [209.161.64.33]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20305 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:17:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nb.net (squash-24.nb.net [209.161.71.124]) by uranium.nb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29144; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356B3280.85619F63@nb.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:22:08 +0000 Reply-To: f21484@nb.net Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: William Farley To: Sudoa Farm Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: farmer's market levys References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 404 I am presently doing four Farmer's Markets. I pay the following: Tuesday Market - free, Thursday Market - $15.00 for 100 square feet, Friday Market - $25.00 for 150 square feet, Saturday Market - $25.00 for 150 square feet and an electrical outlet. I also do several road side stands later in the season. These are free and very profitable for us. Take care, Bill Sudoa Farm wrote: > We participate at the Vancouver Farmers Market and supply tables, awnings, > etc and pay a table rent of 25$ per 10 foot space - a decision by the board > was made this year (no farmers are on the board) to levy farmers 5% off > gross sales. There is some contention about this. > > I am seeking information from growers selling their products at farmers > markets in urban centers -what fees do you pay, is there a levy? Thanks for > your help. > Anne > > Sudoa Farm, Notch Hill, BC > awarren@jetstream.net From owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Thu May 28 17:54:22 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA14356 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA07516 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20103 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20099 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aquatfs@aol.com Received: from Aquatfs@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BWMSa14384; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93aec677.356ddaac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Food rage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 405 In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: << Dragging food safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political manipulation. >> Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: 1. To make money, or more money 2. To mitigate environmental impact 3. To improve product quality 4. To improve product safety As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: optimal not cheapest price) 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was intended to 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short change us. Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged political manipulation is occuring. Regards, Alan Ismond, P.Eng. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Mon Jun 1 22:48:25 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA01884 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 42282 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18381-12871>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:43:31 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 60719 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18381-12869>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:43:01 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA01856; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21206; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 406 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net -------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT From: Aquatfs@aol.com To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Food rage In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: << Dragging food safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political manipulation. >> Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: 1. To make money, or more money 2. To mitigate environmental impact 3. To improve product quality 4. To improve product safety As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: optimal not cheapest price) 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was intended to 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short change us. Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged political manipulation is occuring. Regards, Alan Ismond, P.Eng. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jun 1 22:53:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA02167 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA08685 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12031; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:50:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11356 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA01856; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21206; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 407 http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net -------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT From: Aquatfs@aol.com To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Food rage In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: << Dragging food safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political manipulation. >> Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: 1. To make money, or more money 2. To mitigate environmental impact 3. To improve product quality 4. To improve product safety As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: optimal not cheapest price) 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was intended to 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short change us. Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged political manipulation is occuring. Regards, Alan Ismond, P.Eng. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From michelle@animal.blarg.net Tue Jun 2 01:19:42 1998 Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.124.128.1]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA11510 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA29702; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." cc: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 408 I totally agree with this writer, but I do also pause at my situation, where I supply very wonderful food, grown as consumers would want it grown, but my prices are too high for ME to purchase...Am I too low income to buy good food? Is it enough that I grow and can eat this food myself? With land prices and taxes so high, I use what I need to get by, as the basis for my pricing, but ethically it offends me...I would prefer to make what I grow affordable to all, but that would make my farm fail and I would not grow for anyone... I am sure this is a common problem, but any insights?? Thanks, Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden > london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net > -------- > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT > From: Aquatfs@aol.com > To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu > Subject: Re: Food rage > > In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: > > << Dragging food > safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political > manipulation. >> > > Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved > methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are > several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: > > 1. To make money, or more money > 2. To mitigate environmental impact > 3. To improve product quality > 4. To improve product safety > > As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: > > 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment > 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: > optimal not cheapest price) > 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was > intended to > 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. > > There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate > all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to > include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or > political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me > telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy > because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it > anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short > change us. > > Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on > the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in > safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need > more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel > just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production > methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and > food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the > health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, > from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are > opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged > political manipulation is occuring. > > Regards, > > Alan Ismond, P.Eng. > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 2 01:20:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA11525 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA12467 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21231; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:16:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from animal.blarg.net (mail@animal.blarg.net [206.124.128.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21185 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:16:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (michelle@localhost) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA29702; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:07 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." Cc: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 409 I totally agree with this writer, but I do also pause at my situation, where I supply very wonderful food, grown as consumers would want it grown, but my prices are too high for ME to purchase...Am I too low income to buy good food? Is it enough that I grow and can eat this food myself? With land prices and taxes so high, I use what I need to get by, as the basis for my pricing, but ethically it offends me...I would prefer to make what I grow affordable to all, but that would make my farm fail and I would not grow for anyone... I am sure this is a common problem, but any insights?? Thanks, Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden > london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net > -------- > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT > From: Aquatfs@aol.com > To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu > Subject: Re: Food rage > > In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: > > << Dragging food > safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political > manipulation. >> > > Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved > methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are > several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: > > 1. To make money, or more money > 2. To mitigate environmental impact > 3. To improve product quality > 4. To improve product safety > > As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: > > 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment > 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: > optimal not cheapest price) > 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was > intended to > 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. > > There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate > all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to > include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or > political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me > telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy > because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it > anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short > change us. > > Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on > the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in > safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need > more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel > just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production > methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and > food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the > health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, > from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are > opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged > political manipulation is occuring. > > Regards, > > Alan Ismond, P.Eng. > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > From ooasis@webtv.net Tue Jun 2 11:42:22 1998 Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.95]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA17131 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.216]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id IAA09533; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA15489; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806021538.IAA15489@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: ooasis@webtv.net (Ooasis Inc.) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:47 -0500 To: michelle@animal.blarg.net (Michelle Y. Crawford) Cc: london@sunsite.unc.edu (Lawrence F. London, Jr.), permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-897591195-4388 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 410 --WebTV-Mail-897591195-4388 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To make your produce affordable to all start a food relief kitchen in a more heavily populated area and teach the recipients organic gardening. Peace, Christopher --WebTV-Mail-897591195-4388 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: INLINE Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
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    --WebTV-Mail-897591195-4388 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Michelle Y. Crawford" To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." Cc: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I totally agree with this writer, but I do also pause at my situation, where I supply very wonderful food, grown as consumers would want it grown, but my prices are too high for ME to purchase...Am I too low income to buy good food? Is it enough that I grow and can eat this food myself? With land prices and taxes so high, I use what I need to get by, as the basis for my pricing, but ethically it offends me...I would prefer to make what I grow affordable to all, but that would make my farm fail and I would not grow for anyone... I am sure this is a common problem, but any insights?? Thanks, Michelle Michelle Crawford, Pacific Potager, organic farm and nursery, 27918 Vashon Hwy SW Vashon, WA 98070 On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: > http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden > london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net > -------- > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:44:11 EDT > From: Aquatfs@aol.com > To: WILSONDO@phibred.com, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu > Subject: Re: Food rage > > In a message dated 98-05-28 14:44:44 EDT, WILSONDO@phibred.com writes: > > << Dragging food > safety into this is too murky an issue, and very prone to political > manipulation. >> > > Talk about losing sight of reality! What's the point of having approved > methods of producing food if the product is not safe and wholesome? There are > several reasons for adopting a method of producing food: > > 1. To make money, or more money > 2. To mitigate environmental impact > 3. To improve product quality > 4. To improve product safety > > As a consumer, I would like the producer to adopt production methods that: > > 1. Allow the producer to realize a fair return on investment > 2. Allow me to purchase food at a price that reconciles externalities (read: > optimal not cheapest price) > 3. Allow me to consume food that actually tastes and smells the way it was > intended to > 4. Allow me to consume food that does not endanger my health. > > There is no point in having food production standards that don't incorporate > all 4 attributes. Frankly, all 4 attributes are inseparable. To say that to > include these attributes in food production standards is too confusing or > political is *not* a good reason to exclude any of them. That's like me > telling the farmer that I can only pay him 99 cents for anything that I buy > because I can't count any higher than 99. The farmer isn't going to buy it > anymore than we, as consumers, should buy into production methods that short > change us. > > Let's stop fence sitting. Different farming methods have different impacts on > the 4 attributes that I outlined. Either the organic standards will result in > safer food or they won't. Let's decide which it is. If we feel that we need > more research, wouldn't it be in the interest of the U.S. government to funnel > just a little more money into the area of food safety versus farm production > methods? Maybe then we can finally put the issue of production standards and > food quality and safety to rest. From the point of view of protecting the > health of Americans, you would think that this would be good policy. However, > from the point of view of politics and lobbying, I suspect that there are > opposing forces to this kind of research. Perhaps this is where the alleged > political manipulation is occuring. > > Regards, > > Alan Ismond, P.Eng. > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > --WebTV-Mail-897591195-4388-- From london@sunsite.unc.edu Tue Jun 2 17:30:36 1998 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu bcc: aspalt@mindspring.com, jem@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: Silent Spring Revisited (was: Fooling With Nature) FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM EST PBS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 411 Be sure to watch this important edition of Frontline tonight: ------------------------------------------------------------- "Silent Spring Revisited" (was: "Fooling With Nature") FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS Public Television "FRONTLINE examines new evidence in the controversy over the danger of manmade chemicals to human health and the environment, thirty-five years after Rachel Carson first raised concerns of an impending ecological crisis. Currently, millions in research and public relations dollars are being spent in the battle, and President Clinton is calling this one of his top environmental priorities. The film takes viewers inside the world of scientists, politicians, activists, and business officials embroiled in this high-stakes debate that threatens the multi-billion dollar chemical industry." Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 2 17:34:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11602 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA17094 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09452; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:31:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09396 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11548; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07178; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Silent Spring Revisited (was: Fooling With Nature) FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM EST PBS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 412 Be sure to watch this important edition of Frontline tonight: ------------------------------------------------------------- "Silent Spring Revisited" (was: "Fooling With Nature") FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS Public Television "FRONTLINE examines new evidence in the controversy over the danger of manmade chemicals to human health and the environment, thirty-five years after Rachel Carson first raised concerns of an impending ecological crisis. Currently, millions in research and public relations dollars are being spent in the battle, and President Clinton is calling this one of his top environmental priorities. The film takes viewers inside the world of scientists, politicians, activists, and business officials embroiled in this high-stakes debate that threatens the multi-billion dollar chemical industry." Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Jun 2 17:35:36 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11680 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 54270 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18185-11347>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:29:57 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 34689 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18540-11342>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:29:37 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11548; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07178; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Silent Spring Revisited (was: Fooling With Nature) FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM EST PBS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 413 Be sure to watch this important edition of Frontline tonight: ------------------------------------------------------------- "Silent Spring Revisited" (was: "Fooling With Nature") FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS Public Television "FRONTLINE examines new evidence in the controversy over the danger of manmade chemicals to human health and the environment, thirty-five years after Rachel Carson first raised concerns of an impending ecological crisis. Currently, millions in research and public relations dollars are being spent in the battle, and President Clinton is calling this one of his top environmental priorities. The film takes viewers inside the world of scientists, politicians, activists, and business officials embroiled in this high-stakes debate that threatens the multi-billion dollar chemical industry." Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Jun 2 17:35:37 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11682 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 54273 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18471-11347>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:29:58 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 34689 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18540-11342>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:29:37 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11548; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07178; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Silent Spring Revisited (was: Fooling With Nature) FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM EST PBS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 414 Be sure to watch this important edition of Frontline tonight: ------------------------------------------------------------- "Silent Spring Revisited" (was: "Fooling With Nature") FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS Public Television "FRONTLINE examines new evidence in the controversy over the danger of manmade chemicals to human health and the environment, thirty-five years after Rachel Carson first raised concerns of an impending ecological crisis. Currently, millions in research and public relations dollars are being spent in the battle, and President Clinton is calling this one of his top environmental priorities. The film takes viewers inside the world of scientists, politicians, activists, and business officials embroiled in this high-stakes debate that threatens the multi-billion dollar chemical industry." Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Jun 2 17:35:39 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11688 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 54285 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18540-11347>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:03 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 34689 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18540-11342>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:29:37 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA11548; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07178; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: Silent Spring Revisited (was: Fooling With Nature) FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM EST PBS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 415 Be sure to watch this important edition of Frontline tonight: ------------------------------------------------------------- "Silent Spring Revisited" (was: "Fooling With Nature") FRONTLINE documentary special tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS Public Television "FRONTLINE examines new evidence in the controversy over the danger of manmade chemicals to human health and the environment, thirty-five years after Rachel Carson first raised concerns of an impending ecological crisis. Currently, millions in research and public relations dollars are being spent in the battle, and President Clinton is calling this one of his top environmental priorities. The film takes viewers inside the world of scientists, politicians, activists, and business officials embroiled in this high-stakes debate that threatens the multi-billion dollar chemical industry." Lawrence http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@sunSITE.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 2 18:57:13 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA27768 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA08680 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15989; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:53:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15925 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:53:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LQCa022587 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <90872412.357481f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:51:35 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Food rage (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 416 Hi, Michelle! Nice to "hear" you! The way I get around the "can't afford" issue is to offer working shares and a clear explanation that I can find anything for anybody to do -- "work" doesn't necessarily mean grubbing in the garden. I have senior citizens who make phone calls and paste together a newsletter, etc., for 50% off on their harvest share (20 hours of work). And even at that I can't bloody give away organic food in this area via the CSA model. This year I'm making money, but only because I finally got a contract with a local restaurant. The farm is temporarily back off the real estate market, but only until I get a coat of paint slapped onto the house and the flowers up and blooming. Then the asking price goes up by $10,000 and I'll get it and will be in the next rental truck West. I believe in CSA and I believe in my ability to grow good, safe food. And I want to do it with a supportive community. I make my living in other ways, money is not part of the issue for me but community certainly is, so I'm going where I've found an indication that people understand its importance in the equation. As the only CSA within five counties (and one of only two certified organic farms in New York State's largest and most rural county), I've been twisting alone in the wind for long enough here. Which is not bad -- I'm not retreating from, I'm moving forward to embrace something new. Been through the anger, now into the acceptance and it feels very good. And wouldn't you know it, the garden fields have worked up better this year than ever before. I'm leaving this place better than I found it, so I'm satisfied. If anybody out there would like to take up my project here in New York with a turnkey CSA farm including contacts, past members, and the executive chef -- and all equipment and even some livestock, flash me a line! But a warning -- food here is still cheap and convenient in the big grocery stores and people are very slow to take to new ideas. With lots of big fields (mostly hay and feed corn) the general attitude is one of "What agricultural crisis?" It's a tough nut to crack. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm Southern Tier, Upstate New York From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jun 4 02:18:41 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA09352 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA24969 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00583; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:14:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00523 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:13:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from POWELLHOME@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LZUGa03745 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <351ea249.35763afa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:13:13 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: POWELLHOME@aol.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: biography Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 417 Julie Powell Seattle, WA My father is a grower of organic apples and grapes in Eastern Washington. I will be representing his farm at the Pike Place Organic Day Farmer's Market this summer I am interested in continuing to bring organic apples to Seattle-area consumers all year round since most farmer's markets end just as apples are being harvested. It seems like a CSA would be a viable way to do this, but I am wondering if any other subscribers have information or experience operating a CSA with only one product. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jun 4 02:54:17 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA10598 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA01840 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01443; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:50:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01413 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:50:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from salkind.sirius.com (ppp-asfn-a--034.sirius.net [205.134.230.34]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id XAA28790 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980604064522.006f3b84@pop.sirius.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:45:22 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Heisler and Jesse Brown To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: one-product CSA query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bonbon@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 418 How about teaming with a multi-product CSA, piggy-backing your apples onto an existing framework? This seems more viable, from the p.o.v. of a CSA member, as there are considerable organizational "costs" (time, energy, effort to secure drop-sites, coordinate, communicate) that you and your members will contribute to sustain distribution. These costs would be similar for the apples alone or for a basket of produce with your apples included. Karen From tmarshall@atsva.com Thu Jun 4 08:17:27 1998 Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA23077 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15798; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA896962292; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:11:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9806048969.AA896962292@smtpmail.atsva.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:13:31 -0500 From: "Teri Marshall" To: , Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Food rage (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 419 please remove me from your mailing list. From tmarshall@atsva.com Thu Jun 4 08:18:13 1998 Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA23127 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15979; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA896962330; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9806048969.AA896962330@smtpmail.atsva.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:14:07 -0500 From: "Teri Marshall" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re[2]: Food rage (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 420 please remove me from your mailing list. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jun 4 08:28:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA23598 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA06907 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA09257; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09221 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17366; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA896962808; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:21:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9806048969.AA896962808@smtpmail.atsva.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:21:49 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Teri Marshall" To: , Subject: Re: one-product CSA query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 421 I received the following email in error and determined that I should not receive it at all. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jun 4 08:29:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA23636 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA07125 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA09373; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:25:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09328 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17249; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA896962927; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:22:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9806048969.AA896962927@smtpmail.atsva.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:23:55 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Teri Marshall" To: , Subject: Re: biography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 422 I received a bcc: of this email in error. Correct your list so that this does not happen in the future. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jun 4 18:07:06 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA21841 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA03864 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19286; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:03:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19249; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:03:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from STannehill@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id GDYNa03745; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4b4263db.35771957@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:01:58 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: STannehill@aol.com To: bonbon@sirius.com, owner-csa-l@prairienet.org, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: one-product CSA query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 423 Just FYI. Our CSA, in its first year (95) worked out a subscription sevice for apples with a local organic grower. We're near Buffalo, NY so we can't work out a deal with you unfortunately! People paid the grower directly. I sent the grower labels for the people who subscribed along with their group letter. The grower then brought the bags before our regular pickup time and distributed them to the various group's. It worked VERY well and people who did it were pleased. The farmer left for Washington state the next year having been hailed out two years in a row. too bad. Sue Tannehill Porter Farms CSA -- Elba, NY From owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Fri Jun 5 10:57:45 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA15908 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA27807 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08443 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.rodaleinst.org (mailhost.rodaleinst.org [205.147.214.3]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08334 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bill.ns.fast.net ([205.147.214.40]) by mailhost.rodaleinst.org (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA4296 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35780688.32FD@rodaleinst.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:54:00 -0400 From: rhartmn@rodaleinst.org (Rebecca Hartman) Reply-To: rhartmn@rodaleinst.org Organization: Rodale Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAN Mailing List Subject: suggestion for kid sites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 424 Dear san folk, I am looking for suggestions for sites on the internet to talk with young adults about organic food, organic methods, sustainable agriculture and other related topics. Do you have some chat rooms you could recommend. many thanks. rebecca hartman. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jun 6 00:48:46 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23910 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA13315 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15064; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:44:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15022 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23871; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA10483; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: suggestion for kid sites (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 425 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:54:00 -0400 From: Rebecca Hartman To: SAN Mailing List Subject: suggestion for kid sites Dear san folk, I am looking for suggestions for sites on the internet to talk with young adults about organic food, organic methods, sustainable agriculture and other related topics. Do you have some chat rooms you could recommend. many thanks. rebecca hartman. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sat Jun 6 00:49:20 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23933 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 33384 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18095-26604>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:15 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 58112 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18903-26605>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:43:29 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23871; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA10483; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: suggestion for kid sites (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 426 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:54:00 -0400 From: Rebecca Hartman To: SAN Mailing List Subject: suggestion for kid sites Dear san folk, I am looking for suggestions for sites on the internet to talk with young adults about organic food, organic methods, sustainable agriculture and other related topics. Do you have some chat rooms you could recommend. many thanks. rebecca hartman. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sat Jun 6 00:49:20 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23936 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 33388 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <18613-26603>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:15 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@luna.oit.unc.edu (port 58112 [152.2.22.4]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <18903-26605>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:43:29 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA23871; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA10483; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, organic-gardening@listserv.oit.unc.edu Subject: suggestion for kid sites (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 427 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:54:00 -0400 From: Rebecca Hartman To: SAN Mailing List Subject: suggestion for kid sites Dear san folk, I am looking for suggestions for sites on the internet to talk with young adults about organic food, organic methods, sustainable agriculture and other related topics. Do you have some chat rooms you could recommend. many thanks. rebecca hartman. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jun 8 09:06:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA09704 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA25136 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15399; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:00:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15316 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:59:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) id IAA28821 for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806080858_MC2-3F7D-588D@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:58:35 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: charles couzens To: Community Supported agri Subject: CSA in the Eastern US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: charles couzens X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id HAA15317 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 428 I am working with the Soil Association in the UK on its Local Food Link programme which is promoting different aspects of CSA in the UK, such as box schemes and farmers' markets. I am interested to learn more about community owned farms or CSA in the US and have an opprotunity to visit the Eastern states in Mid August of this year. I am reseraching contacts to visit in New Hampshire or Vermont. My particular interest is in how CSAs have been supported at the state or national level, including training and extension programmes, which might be applicable to the UK. Thank you for your assistance Charles Couzens Charles Couzens Associates Tolpenny, Tolbury, Bruton, Somerset, BA10 0DJ. Tel: +44 (0)1749 813914 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 9 16:53:51 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA10342 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA06289 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05692; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:49:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05627 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:49:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18387 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-12.sl057.cns.vt.edu [128.173.39.110]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07340 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609164812.006bfa40@mail.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:48:12 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "jeanne A. nye" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSAs and Social Justice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 2 (High) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 429 Anyone have a response for this fellow? Send it to me and I will forward it to the other listserve... Thanks! Jeanne >Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:33:29 -0400 >Sender: owner-nefood-l@sardonyx.tufts.edu >From: HFS >To: NE community food systems >Subject: CSAs and Social Justice >X-To: nefood-l@sardonyx.tufts.edu >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >Our organizations has developed a community supported agriculture (CSA) >farm that produces half of its food for and with low income >organizations from Hartford and half of its food for middle and upper >income households from suburban towns. I am looking for information >about CSAs that have developed a process to include lower income >households (nonvoluntary poor) as members. Specifically, I would like >to know: > * By what means has this been accomplished, e.g. reduced price >shares, "work shares", soliciting donations to pay for or subsidize >shares > * Approximately what percentage of the CSAs membership receive >some form of assistance or otherwise benefit from the CSA. In other >words, how big or small a part of the CSA's orientation are social >justice concerns. > * What other ways has the CSA assisted low income communities. >e.g. donating food regularly to food banks > >I'm interested in both successes and failures. I would also appreciate >any other comments that shed light on how closely the CSA movement is >linked to social justice concerns. These comments could address both >practical as well as philosophical issues. > >Thanks so much, > >Mark Winne >Hartford Food System >509 Wethersfield Ave. >Hartford, CT 06114 >860 296 9325 > Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 9 19:28:28 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA14789 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA00023 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14184; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:24:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from big.seorf.ohiou.edu (ab210@big.seorf.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.252]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14129 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ab210@localhost) by big.seorf.ohiou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23339 for csa-l@prairienet.org; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806092323.TAA23339@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Kevin Smyth To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: S.E. Ohio C.S.A. Content-Type: text X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 430 Far Corner Farm C.S.A. provides vegetables for 75 households in Colombus Ohio. Our farm is located in eastern Athens County. This is our fifth year. We are a husband/wife team with one intern. We live in one of the most beautiful places in the world. We welcome visitors. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jun 10 09:02:18 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA09182 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA08257 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14755; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bag-2.mail.digex.net (bag-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.99.101]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14679 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpmail.atsva.com (smtpmail.atsva.com [207.86.49.132]) by bag-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02118; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.atsva.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA897482885; Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:55:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9806108974.AA897482885@smtpmail.atsva.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:57:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Teri Marshall" To: , Subject: Re: CSAs and Social Justice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 431 Take me off your mailing list. I was placed on it in error. **TMarshall** Anyone have a response for this fellow? Send it to me and I will forward it to the other listserve... Thanks! Jeanne >Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:33:29 -0400 >Sender: owner-nefood-l@sardonyx.tufts.edu >From: HFS >To: NE community food systems >Subject: CSAs and Social Justice >X-To: nefood-l@sardonyx.tufts.edu >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >Our organizations has developed a community supported agriculture (CSA) >farm that produces half of its food for and with low income >organizations from Hartford and half of its food for middle and upper >income households from suburban towns. I am looking for information >about CSAs that have developed a process to include lower income >households (nonvoluntary poor) as members. Specifically, I would like >to know: > * By what means has this been accomplished, e.g. reduced price >shares, "work shares", soliciting donations to pay for or subsidize >shares > * Approximately what percentage of the CSAs membership receive >some form of assistance or otherwise benefit from the CSA. In other >words, how big or small a part of the CSA's orientation are social >justice concerns. > * What other ways has the CSA assisted low income communities. >e.g. donating food regularly to food banks > >I'm interested in both successes and failures. I would also appreciate >any other comments that shed light on how closely the CSA movement is >linked to social justice concerns. These comments could address both >practical as well as philosophical issues. > >Thanks so much, > >Mark Winne >Hartford Food System >509 Wethersfield Ave. >Hartford, CT 06114 >860 296 9325 > Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org From owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Mon Jun 29 18:00:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA20642 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA03059 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18155 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18151 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08416; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-1.sl045.cns.vt.edu [128.173.34.117]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23703; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980629175243.006a1150@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:52:43 -0400 To: mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu, sanet-mg-digest@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, bdnow@igg.com From: "jeanne A. nye" Subject: Job Opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 432 2 job opps in Iowa in the Organic Agriculture Program at the Iowa Department of Agriculture. One is for the head of their statewide organic cert program, and the other is for a program planner in that same program. If you know of anyone in Iowa or interested in going to Iowa, they can contact > >Dale M. Cochran >Secretary of Agriculture >Iowa Dept. of Agriculture and Land Stewardship >Wallace State Office Building >Des Moines, Iowa 50319 > >515-281-5321 > >The cutoff date for applications is July 8, 1998. Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Mon Jun 29 18:23:51 1998 Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA21507 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18155 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18151 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08416; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-1.sl045.cns.vt.edu [128.173.34.117]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23703; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980629175243.006a1150@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:52:43 -0400 To: mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu, sanet-mg-digest@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, bdnow@igg.com From: "jeanne A. nye" Subject: Job Opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 433 2 job opps in Iowa in the Organic Agriculture Program at the Iowa Department of Agriculture. One is for the head of their statewide organic cert program, and the other is for a program planner in that same program. If you know of anyone in Iowa or interested in going to Iowa, they can contact > >Dale M. Cochran >Secretary of Agriculture >Iowa Dept. of Agriculture and Land Stewardship >Wallace State Office Building >Des Moines, Iowa 50319 > >515-281-5321 > >The cutoff date for applications is July 8, 1998. Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jun 30 06:16:24 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA15584 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA21177 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA01131; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:11:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00223 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08416; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-1.sl045.cns.vt.edu [128.173.34.117]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23703; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980629175243.006a1150@mail.vt.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:52:43 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "jeanne A. nye" To: mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu, sanet-mg-digest@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org, bdnow@igg.com Subject: Job Opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 434 2 job opps in Iowa in the Organic Agriculture Program at the Iowa Department of Agriculture. One is for the head of their statewide organic cert program, and the other is for a program planner in that same program. If you know of anyone in Iowa or interested in going to Iowa, they can contact > >Dale M. Cochran >Secretary of Agriculture >Iowa Dept. of Agriculture and Land Stewardship >Wallace State Office Building >Des Moines, Iowa 50319 > >515-281-5321 > >The cutoff date for applications is July 8, 1998. Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 9 12:58:43 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA04357 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA09167 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01900; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from red1.netwurx.net (root@red1.netwurx.net [206.54.227.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01844 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:53:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 54-48.mwci.net (54-48.mwci.net [209.207.54.48]) by 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ESMTP id BAA29621 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA14323 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19024; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.ap.net (mail.ap.net [205.134.237.20]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18078 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vogmudet (D-08.Portal-01.ap.net [207.44.186.9]) by mailhost.ap.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21283; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Mildred Martin To: csa-l@prairienet.org, publications@bbg.org, svogel@ncat.org, mooney@bc.seflin.org, krayg@esperanto.org, rmhi@rmhiherbal.org, schult2@open.org, webslave@fna.org, milliman@nwf.org, emalia@rmi.org Subject: Reversing Plant Aging Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 436 Keeping Your Flowers and Trees Growing and Blooming Longer When plants age, they stop growing and flowering, and their leaves stop making protein and chlorophyll. Eventually the leaves turn yellow and fall off, and the plants become susceptible to fungal (rust) infections and insect attack. Plant aging or senescence is a biochemical process that is highly susceptible to environmental conditions. It can easily be stopped by plant hormones, either made by the plants themselves or by soil microorganisms. If your roses stop flowering after two months, your plants are either aging prematurely, or they are not receiving enough light. The aging process of plants can be slowed dramatically by gardeners who understand why plants "shut down" biochemically. Plants can grow in a bucket of rocks if they are fed chemical fertilizers that contain water-soluble minerals. Unfortunately for plants, most minerals in the soil are not water-soluble. This means that most plant growth is controlled by soil microorganisms that break down organic matter into simple molecules that the plants can use. Although plants can make their own vitamins and amino acids, they can also take them up from the soil if microorganisms "pre-process" them first. Becoming a successful gardener does not require a degree in botany or horticulture, but it does require some knowledge of plant nutrition and how plants grow in response to their natural environment. This knowledge is freely available, but it is generally "locked up" in the scientific literature in a form that is not readily understandable to the average person. I know all about "science speak". My name is Dr. Stephen Martin and I am Chief Scientist of Wyoming DnaVaccine, LLC. I am responsible for the design and development of vaccines against the HIV, and hepatitis B/C viruses, animal and human herpes viruses, and the TB bacterium (http://www.wyomdnavaccine.com). In an effort to keep sane, I adopted organic gardening as my passion about 6 years ago. Since that time, I have become very knowledgeable about plant nutrition and the physiology of plant cell growth regulation. I intend to share that knowledge, translated into understandable English, with others. I am starting a WEB site in about two months called Milly's Gourmet Organics. Milly is my 76 year-old mother, an avid gardener, and my business partner in this enterprise. The site will include useful information about all commercial and non- commercial fertilizers and how they can or cannot affect plant growth. Of particular interest will be a discussion of "Potting Soil" and why most commercial brands, in and of themselves, provide very few nutrients for plants. The site will also include recipes that I developed for making "bug juice", a non-odorous concoction of soil bacteria and easily obtained household items such as cornstarch, fruit and yeast that will make your plants grow and flower beyond your wildest expectations. If you want to be put on the mailing list, please send your request to milly@ap.net. In the interim, please bear with me. I have an interesting story to tell. In my mother's garden, the soil is 50% clay. When she moved to her present house, the lawn was sparse, and obviously dying. We ripped it up. It wasn't worth saving. We planted roses and numerous other plants, but they never did well. The soil conditions are barely suitable for the growth of even the hardiest of plants. About five years ago, a friend gave me a few pounds of high-grade fish meal for making soups and stocks. On a whim, I put one tablespoon of the meal in one gallon of water and fed it to my mother's sickly rose bushes. The results were apparent within weeks. Milly's roses started growing and budding to an extent that is difficult to believe. The roses now bloom 8 months of the year, the leaves are lush green, and there is very little rust even though my mother lives on the edge of a fog belt. Surprisingly, there have been no aphid infestations since the fish meal was first fed to the roses. I treated her sick apple and pear trees in the same manner. Both trees were sparsely foliated with little fruit, the leaves were yellow and covered with rust, and the fruit was small, spotted with fungus and worm-ridden. My mother was going to have both trees removed. One year later, after applying 4 gallons of the fish meal slurry to the base of the trees, both trees are lush green with foliage and have more fruit that any ten families could possibly use. There is no rust, and the fruit is completely worm-free. A plumb tree that was planted 5 years ago as a small bare root sapling is now over 12 feet tall, and has so many plumbs that the limbs of the tree sag under the weight. The lower limbs touch the ground. It took me awhile to find out why fish meal, per se, is such a good fertilizer at such low concentrations. The answer turned out to be more complicated than I originally thought. First, this fish meal works as a fertilizer because it is actually a human food product. It consists of fresh whole fish that are either too small to be filleted or the wrong species. The fish are processed within 8 hours of harvesting in order to preserve freshness. The rapid cooking process stops the ammonification process, and other natural degradation processes that occur when a fish or animal dies. The intense steam heat stops the enzymatic breakdown of the fish organs and preserves the integrity of the plant growth factors in the meal. These growth factors, and the vitamins that are present in high concentrations in fish organs, are heat stable. The enzymes that break down growth factors into simpler compounds are not. The potency of the fish meal as a fertilizer has nothing to do with its high protein content. If that were true, chicken manure would probably work just as well. It doesn't. Manure does not contain these molecules because they are absorbed out of an animal or bird's food in their digestive tracts. In time, I found that the growth factors were actually precursors or biochemical building blocks for the group of plant hormones called auxins and cytokinins. Auxins control root growth and the elongation (not growth) of individual plant cells. Cytokinins stimulate plant cell growth, the synthesis of protein and chlorophyll, and induce budding and flowering. Cytokinins also stimulate the synthesis of molecules in plant leaves, stems and roots that protect plants from fungal and insect attacks. Auxins and cytokinins work together to stop plant aging or senescense. Plants can make these hormones internally, but the hormones can also be made by a wide diversity of soil bacteria and fungi. When the hormones are secreted into the root zone by microorganisms, the plants will continue to grow and senescence will be postponed until the weather becomes harsh. The fish meal does not contain preformed auxins or cytokinins, but it does contain very high concentrations of molecules that can be rapidly turned into these hormones by soil microorganisms. When I planted Milly's roses, I packed the roots in fresh compost. Fresh compost contains a large number of microorganisms that break down organic matter, but not all organic matter is equally useful as a fertilizer. When fed the fish meal, the microorganisms produced plant growth hormones, and the rest is history. Plant compost does not contain these molecules because growth hormones are unstable and are not stored in plant tissues. They are naturally degraded very soon after they are made. High concentrations of auxins and cytokinins also block the activity of the plant enzymes that make the hormones in the plant cells. This natural feedback prevents plants from growing too vigorously. We can get around this "natural block" by inducing bacteria and fungi to make the auxins and cytokinins for the plants in the soil. After much experimentation, I found that bakers yeast, fed a diet of sugar and fish meal, also makes cytokinins. A recipe for a simple, yet potent "bug juice" fertilizer will be included in the forthcoming Milly's Gourmet Organics WEB site. Milly's Gourmet Organics is a company that presently sells only MaxGro, a 100% Certified Organic Fertilizer, e.g. the fish meal I've been talking about in this message. It is mixed with freshly cooked crab shell waste in order to increase the calcium concentration (very important for plants), and to reduce the cost of the fertilizer. Also, the chitin in the crabshell stimulates soil organisms to secrete enzymes called chitinases. These enzymes degrade chitin, which is a component of nematode and flea egg shells. The presence of chitin in the fertilizer makes it a natural biopesticide that is non-toxic to birds, animals, fish, and plants. This fertilizer is 30% protein, 6% nitrogen, 4% phosphorus, 0.6% potash, and 14% calcium. One pound will make 25 to 100 gallons of a water-based fertilizer slurry. The exact concentration of fish meal needed will depend on the health of your plants. MaxGro is sold in one pound bags for $12.95 (plus $.98 cents sales tax for CA residents) plus $3.00 for shipping by priority mail. Only US orders containing checks or money orders can be accepted until the WEB site is functional in a month or so. MasterCard/Visa and international orders will be accepted when ordering through the WEB site. We are discounting MaxGro now in order to more accurately guage consumer interest. Fish meal is only available seasonally so we must contract in advance with the processing plant. By ordering now, you are helping us more accurately plan for the future. In the future, we will also be selling dried, purified soil bacterial preparations that can be used to supplement the bacteria already in the soil. These bacteria are not genetically engineered, but they are superior in their ability to break down plant proteins, starches, cellulose and pectin in the soil. I've isolated these bugs from some of the finest compost piles on the West Coast. ("You design vaccines for a living and crawl around compost piles for a hobby?"). If you don't have a compost pile-for example if you live in an apartment or condo-you will need to spike the bug juice I described earlier with superior soil bacteria in order to improve the growth of your house or patio plants. As soon as we can afford a $250,000 fermentor, we will prepare the bacterial strains for sale to the public. Orders can be sent to Milly's Organics, 265 Spanish Flag, Sonoma, CA 95476. Email is milly@ap.net. Please make checks out to Milly's and allow 2 weeks after the receipt of your order for delivery. Thanks for your patience and happy gardening. Oh, one more thing. If you ever meet an arrogant, know-it-all person who is totally full of him/hershelf, remind he/she that plants can make all their own vitamins, sugars and amino acids and live on CO2, sunshine and soil minerals. Animals can't. So, in a very real biochemical sense, plants are superior organisms or "beings" to humans-at least some humans. Milly and Steve From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Jul 14 13:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12114; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:16:07 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28537; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu (root@sulu.biostat.washington.edu [128.95.125.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28364 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:12:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sol by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.7.1/UW-NDC Revision: 2.23 id KAA06572; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Virginia Petrie To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Help on Pricing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: virginia@sol X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 374 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 437 This is my first year in the CSA Farmstead business. The problem I have run into is in pricing my produce. I visit the local grocery stores that carry "organic" produce but often times they don't carry the same produce that I am growing (organic or nonorganic) so I have no idea how to price things. Any ideas? Virginia The Petrie Place P.O. Box 384 Duvall, WA 98019 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 15 12:44:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA23718; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:44:27 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14936; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f4.hotmail.com [207.82.250.15]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14842 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28597 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 1998 16:41:36 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:35 PDT Message-Id: <19980715164136.28596.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:35 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1607 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 438 >Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:30:32 PDT > >subscribe csa-L lkindr@hotmail.com Hi. I previously sent the above subscription request. I hope it was received. I'm a farmer in the St. Louis area who would like to find customers for organic and transitional grains, beans and whatever produce anyone might want to have us grow. We want to start planning for next year's crops. This year we have 34 acres in organic soybeans contracted to Clarkson Grain Co of Beardstown, IL. These acres are not yet certified, but we applied a few months ago and expect to get certified this summer because this land has been in cow pasture for a long time and no chemicals have been used on it for at least 5 years or more. We applied for OCIA certification. We have another 130 acres or more that is tillable and which is partly transitional to organic. We'd like to get Japanese or other organic buyers for soybeans, open pollinated corn, wheat, rye, buckwheat, millet, etc. We also have organic apple trees. And we plan to grow some herbs that Dr. Richard Schulze recommends for medical emergencies. He and Dr. Wm. Douglass say that wheat is not a good grain, unless it is sprouted. It's said to cause fat and to cause kids' heads to become unnaturally narrow. Rye and other grains are much better. We can also discuss growing various kinds of produce organically. I hope to hear from some of your subscribers whom we may be able to cooperate with. Aloha from Lloyd and Joe [phone 618/883-2225] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 15 13:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06946; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:25:10 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18677; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:25:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu (root@sulu.biostat.washington.edu [128.95.125.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18632 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sol by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.7.1/UW-NDC Revision: 2.23 id KAA19238; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Virginia Petrie To: "Ooasis Inc." Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help on Pricing In-Reply-To: <25213-35ABE635-357@mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: virginia@sol X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1073 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 439 This is my first year, I only have a few customers and I am using the subscription method. Yes, I absolutely would consider the the sliding scale, but must start with a basic pricing before I can slide it. I work full time at the University of Washington as well as running my small CSA so as yet don't have the time to invest in less advantaged help, but would certainly consider it in the future if the business takes off and I can work at the UW only part-time. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Ooasis Inc. wrote: > Have you considered the option of having the less advantaged help with > the soil in exchange for produce? Have you also considered sliding > scale? > > peace > > Christopher > > ******************************************************************************* Virginia Petrie Department of Biostatistics Secretary Senior Box 357232 Library Coordinator University of Washington CVs and Biosketches Seattle, WA 98l95-7232 Phone: 206-685-9176 Fax: 206-616-2724 ******************************************************************************* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 15 14:08:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22242; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21935; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:07:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21887 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:07:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807151807.NAA21887@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:49:51 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: Re: Help on Pricing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1531 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 440 When we went to the CSA conference in MA last November and also at the Organic Farmers Conference in WI last Feb we noticed a trend in pricing. Although not universal by any means, there is a tendency for the price of a share to amount to about a dollar a pound. We thought our shares were cheap (at just over $200) compared to many, but it turns out that many a $400 share is providing around 400 pounds of food, compared with our 200. A bit pricey for collard greens, but a real bargain for basil. We would be really interested in learning whether this is a general trend or just something we saw in the CSA info we happened across. We will a some point want to talk share pricing in "The Community Farm" newsletter. For those of you that are new to the CSA-L, drop us an email and we will send info about the newsletter. The second issue is at the printer and should be in the mail before the end of the month. Jo and Jim at "The Community Farm" newsletter ---------- > From: Virginia Petrie > To: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Help on Pricing > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 1:12 PM > > This is my first year in the CSA Farmstead business. The problem I have > run into is in pricing my produce. I visit the local grocery stores that > carry "organic" produce but often times they don't carry the same > produce that I am growing (organic or nonorganic) so I have no idea how > to price things. Any ideas? > > Virginia > > > The Petrie Place > P.O. Box 384 > Duvall, WA 98019 > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 15 17:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA11231; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:49:22 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10072; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:49:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10003 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:48:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.12.221.37] by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 169; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:48:20 -0400 Message-Id: <35AD32DF.7F7F@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:53:21 -0500 Reply-To: tawndor@tidalwave.net Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Steven McFadden To: Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help on Pricing References: <199807151807.NAA21887@coneflower.prairienet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C (Macintosh; U; 68K) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1180 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 441 There is another way of viewing the pricing question. Instead of basing price on asking how much did we spend to produce these vegetables and how much do we need to get to cover our costs and make a profit, to ask instead: What does is the true cost of maintaining and improving our farm? What does it take to keep our farm alive and feeding people, and acting as a center -- an oasis -- or environmental and community health. This is a very different starting point, and it can lead to a wide and surprising variety of answers. Is CSA just about vegetables -- growing, selling and buying? Surely the late Robyn Van En is perking up her spirit ears at that cyber-question. I feel safe in asserting that she would answer no. Likewise, I also must answer no. It is about a whole lot more. This is not an incidental point. The whole foundation of a CSA -- what it is really about and what it is really -- ultimately -- doing, will proceed from the responses. If people are using CSA as just another way to sell and buy vegetables, they might well consider changing the meaning of the C in the acronym: from Community to Consumer. Good luck and best wishes, Steven McFadden From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Jul 15 18:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01822; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:49:16 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14334; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (gwgate.lib.iastate.edu [129.186.11.21]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14272 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:48:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Parks_Library-Message_Server by gwgate.lib.iastate.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:48:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jeff Hall" To: fsfarm@mufn.org, tawndor@tidalwave.net Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help on Pricing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id RAA14274 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1048 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 442 Part of what is so fascinating about CSA is the endless variation on the theme. And prices, budgets and planning is very central to that local adaptation. I think what Steve speaks in favor of is the best case scenario, and hopefully many CSA's who aren't at that point now will keep evolving in that direction. But look at the many ways community can be nourished no matter what your limitations. Here in Iowa, many CSA's use a farmers mkt price as a base guideline, because thats what is common and known. Where members are supportive (and there is always a continuum to try to gage), a premium is added on for the organic methods used. If you're not familiar with prices in your area, many states collect farmers market prices on a regular basis. If older CSA's exist in your area, talk to them (or in communities of similar size, income, education and cultural background as yours)--if their way doesn't make sense, a concrete example will often inspire your ideas of what would work for you. Hope that helps a little! Jeff Hall, Ames Iowa From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 08:44:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA15520; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:44:18 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA17197; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:44:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17162 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.182.190] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id HAA27534 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980716075918.006b1df4@facstaff.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:59:18 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Bob Meyer To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Insurance cancellation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rhmeyer1@facstaff.wisc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 376 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 443 Have any other CSA farms had their farm liability insurance cancelled when the company learns of worker-shares? (One farm I am aware of had their coverage dropped when their agent sent the farm's brochure to an underwriter, and the worker share issue was listed as the reason.) Does anyone have any suggestions of a strategy to pass along to this farm? Thanks, Bob Meyer From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 10:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA18231; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23388; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23343 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:41:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (eliza@localhost) by q7.q7.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA07553; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: Bob Meyer Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Insurance cancellation In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980716075918.006b1df4@facstaff.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 593 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 444 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Bob Meyer wrote: > Have any other CSA farms had their farm liability insurance cancelled when > the company learns of worker-shares? (One farm I am aware of had their > coverage dropped when their agent sent the farm's brochure to an > underwriter, and the worker share issue was listed as the reason.) Does > anyone have any suggestions of a strategy to pass along to this farm? No, specific strategy but I know that a lot of food cooperatives which having "working members" have run into similar troubles and may be a source of good advice. Good luck, :-) eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 14:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20960; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:37 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06752; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06708 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807161816.NAA06708@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:59:51 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Help on Pricing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 2516 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 445 Steven's points are well taken. I have been thinking of late about what CSA REALLY is. There are so many ways that a CSA farm can be organized, started, managed. The variations on the theme that Jeff makes reference to. I like to think that the community of CSAs is an inclusive one. An emphasis on one part of the acronym doesn't preclude the use of CSA as a description for a farm. CSA is certainly more than simply another marketing tool. But at one end of the spectrum, CSA may mean simply a farm supported by the community; this farm may be using CSA as very little more than a marketing tool. One which might be saving the farm, a goal which I think Robyn would very much approve of. The other end of CSA is going to emphasize the nourishment of body, soul and heart of the community and the individuals within it. A CSA, even at the marketing tool end, is going to be a center of education (whether it does so actively or not) for the community surrounding it. Can all of the variations be under the CSA umbrella? We think so. Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm ---------- > From: Steven McFadden > To: Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm > Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Help on Pricing > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 6:53 PM > > There is another way of viewing the pricing question. Instead of basing > price on asking how much did we spend to produce these vegetables and > how much do we need to get to cover our costs and make a profit, to ask > instead: What does is the true cost of maintaining and improving our > farm? What does it take to keep our farm alive and feeding people, and > acting as a center -- an oasis -- or environmental and community health. > > This is a very different starting point, and it can lead to a wide and > surprising variety of answers. > > Is CSA just about vegetables -- growing, selling and buying? Surely the > late Robyn Van En is perking up her spirit ears at that cyber-question. > I feel safe in asserting that she would answer no. Likewise, I also > must answer no. It is about a whole lot more. > > This is not an incidental point. The whole foundation of a CSA -- what > it is really about and what it is really -- ultimately -- doing, will > proceed from the responses. > > If people are using CSA as just another way to sell and buy vegetables, > they might well consider changing the meaning of the C in the acronym: > from Community to Consumer. > > Good luck and best wishes, Steven McFadden From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 14:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA21249; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:20:20 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06978; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06803 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38ld090.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.32]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06858 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980716141905.29df8d8a@pop.pipeline.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Sarah Milstein To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help on Pricing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milstein@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1670 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 446 As a means of coming to a price for CSA shares Steven McFadden suggested that farmers and members ask: >What does is the true cost of maintaining and improving our >farm? What does it take to keep our farm alive and feeding people, and >acting as a center -- an oasis -- or environmental and community health. I am in deep agreement with Steven's point. One of the ways in which CSA really differs from the conventional food system is that pricing can be based not just on what the market will bear, but on what a farm needs to thrive. This includes not only the cost of inputs (seeds, compost/fertilizer, fuel, etc.) and a living wage for the farmer, but capital expenses for long-term growth and costs to hold farm festivals, publish newsletters, attend conferences, etc. A year-long budget for the farm can include all of those things (and more), and the CSA members can cover part (or all) of the budget. For instance, a farmer with a $70,000 farm budget might decide that the CSA could cover $40,000 and that the farm could reasonably grow and distribute 100 shares. Each share would thus be $400 (regardless of the price of lettuce -- organic or conventional -- in your area). The members are supporting a whole-farm operation, not just buying based on a price per pound. As Jo & Jim pointed out, though, many farms charge about a dollar per pound of total veggies delivered (which is a great deal for some items and off the charts for others). But I'd be surprised if this didn't turn out to be a *rule of thumb* for the general amount necessary to sustain a healthy farm. Sarah Milstein Just Food CSA Program Coordinator & Roxbury Farm NY Member From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 14:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02387; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:58:44 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09267; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu (root@sulu.biostat.washington.edu [128.95.125.174]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09234 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sol by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.7.1/UW-NDC Revision: 2.23 id LAA01040; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Virginia Petrie Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Virginia Petrie To: Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm Cc: tawndor@tidalwave.net, JRHALL@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu, csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help on Pricing In-Reply-To: <199807161816.NAA06708@coneflower.prairienet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: virginia@sol X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1293 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 447 Geez everyone, I am receiving a multitude of philosophical answers to what I thought was a simple question (maybe there just are no simple answers). I very much agree with your philosophies however and the true meaning of CSA and what it represents to the farm and the community it supports. I just needed to know how to price my kohlrabi so that that I know when I reach my $15.00 a bag mark. I want to be very fair to subscribers and to myself too. I have to be able to sustain myself and our tiny farm before I can possibly grow and reach out to help others. We are certified organic and I am very dedicated to that. I have been very poor myself and would love someday to share an abundance of food with that community. I guess some of you pictured a money hungry type with some land trying to make extra money (which is not the case at all). I am in love with CSA and all it stands for. This is my first year and I have all of 2 subscribers. I feel like I opened an ugly can of worms here (what am I saying, I love worms!) This has certainly been a great learning experience for me because of all of your great responses. I am glad I asked the question. Thanks so much. Virginia The Petrie Place "Certified" Organic Farmstead P.O. Box 384 Duvall, WA 98019 (425) 788-4835 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 16 15:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04419; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:05:14 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10306; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (gwgate.lib.iastate.edu [129.186.11.21]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10250 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Parks_Library-Message_Server by gwgate.lib.iastate.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:46 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:16 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jeff Hall" To: virginia@biostat.washington.edu, fsfarm@mufn.org Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org, tawndor@tidalwave.net Subject: Re: Help on Pricing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id OAA10251 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1659 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 448 Virginia, your reply caught me about to send another 100 innocent words into the frey! Have you tried your certifier? They should be able to guide you to what you are looking for. Or your nearest natural foods co-op or store. Best of luck, from another office-working farmer/dreamer! -Jeff >>> Virginia Petrie 07/16 1:49 PM >>> Geez everyone, I am receiving a multitude of philosophical answers to what I thought was a simple question (maybe there just are no simple answers). I very much agree with your philosophies however and the true meaning of CSA and what it represents to the farm and the community it supports. I just needed to know how to price my kohlrabi so that that I know when I reach my $15.00 a bag mark. I want to be very fair to subscribers and to myself too. I have to be able to sustain myself and our tiny farm before I can possibly grow and reach out to help others. We are certified organic and I am very dedicated to that. I have been very poor myself and would love someday to share an abundance of food with that community. I guess some of you pictured a money hungry type with some land trying to make extra money (which is not the case at all). I am in love with CSA and all it stands for. This is my first year and I have all of 2 subscribers. I feel like I opened an ugly can of worms here (what am I saying, I love worms!) This has certainly been a great learning experience for me because of all of your great responses. I am glad I asked the question. Thanks so much. Virginia The Petrie Place "Certified" Organic Farmstead P.O. Box 384 Duvall, WA 98019 (425) 788-4835 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Jul 18 22:50:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA23816; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:50:58 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24288; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24262 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LKLPa04520 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:13 +2000 (EDT) Message-Id: <66da204f.35b15e32@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:13 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Insurance cancellation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 497 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 449 My insurance company was totally cool about the CSA and working shares. They had me take out a very-low-cost "u-pick" rider -- about $80 a year. I have one of those insurance companies that specializes in farms. Haven't found anything yet that'll make 'em bat an eye. Of course, I'm a total pain in the butt about safety and have been lucky, and have never had to file a claim. So I haven't tested my coverage. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Jul 19 11:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA07873; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:17:07 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11532; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:07:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11506 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:07:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WSM311@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id NORLa02269; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <24c00494.35b20b73@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:06:25 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: eliza@q7.com, rhmeyer1@facstaff.wisc.edu Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Insurance cancellation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 641 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 450 << > Have any other CSA farms had their farm liability insurance cancelled when > the company learns of worker-shares? (One farm I am aware of had their > coverage dropped when their agent sent the farm's brochure to an > underwriter, and the worker share issue was listed as the reason.) Does > anyone have any suggestions of a strategy to pass along to this farm? >> My farm is covered by Cooperative Fire Insurance. They have a policy that covers shareholders and apprentices, plus my big tools like rototillers and my ATV. I pay about $35/month and have a good amount of liability. Wendy Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 20 12:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA12513; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:41:00 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07002; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from keyimc.metrokc.gov (keyimc.metrokc.gov [146.129.177.160]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06519 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:32:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by keyimc.metrokc.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:34:35 -0700 Message-Id: <55D1FD4018BAD11184D900805FE67293AE1AE0@kcmail2.metrokc.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:31:29 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Kantor, Sylvia" To: "'csa-l@prairienet.org'" Cc: "Stienbarger, Douglas" Subject: insurance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 792 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 451 Dear Farmers- I would like to request that those of you who have insurance that covers working shareholder or apprentice liabilty for CSA farming to repsond directly to me with the company name, address, contact name, and phone number. In return, I will put together a list of companies that provide such coverage and distribute it back to this list. I will also make this information available via the web for other farmers concerned with this issue. I think plenty of farmers are tiptoeing around this issue and would be relieved to know there might be solutions. Thank you for you time and input. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sylvia Kantor Agriculture Information Coordinator WSU Cooperative Extension, King County (206)205-6410 sylvia.kantor@metrokc.gov From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Jul 20 17:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20613; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:20:40 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25638; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25581 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WSM311@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LOIVa07259 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <6b7d2cd9.35b3b3eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:17:29 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Peace and Carrots Homestead Party!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 1038 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 452 Peace and Carrots Homestead Party!!!!!!!! I would like to invite everyone to a long weekend camp-out and potluck homestead party. This will be September 4,5,6 and 7th, 1998. Come camp in our fields and woods. There are 2 creeks on the property for cooling off and playing in. We will give tours of our underground house, solar greenhouse, root cellar, sweat lodge, CSA farm,etc. There will be workshops on food drying, composting, cider pressing, bread oven making/baking, preserving, homeschooling, organic farming/gardening, etc. Bring a tent and camping supplies. Expect any sort of weather from hot and humid to cold. There is a double-seater outhouse in the field for your use. Solar showers will be available for those not wishing the cold rush of creek bathing. Bring food to share and some for yourselves. If you would like to volunteer to teach something you know about at a workshop, let me know what and when. Soap? Livestock? Woodworking? Etc..... RSVP to Wendy Martin PO Box 69 Calais, VT 05648 WSM311@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Jul 23 17:45:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org by helios.oit.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08237; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:45:21 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21851; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f68.hotmail.com [207.82.250.154]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21685 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 19110 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1998 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:21:55 PDT Message-Id: <19980723212155.19109.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:21:55 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Buyers on the Internet? Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.79] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN content-length: 282 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 453 Does anyone know of anywhere on the internet to find potential buyers of organic grain [several hundred bushels] and other organic foods and herbs? Thanks, Lloyd Kinder ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 3 12:14:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA19926 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA21431 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16236; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:05:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.amouse.net (root@mail.amouse.net [206.253.220.67]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16149 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cvdudley.amouse.net (ts1-1.poulsbo.amouse.net [209.191.166.2]) by mail.amouse.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA26515 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:27:48 -0700 Message-Id: <01bdbef8$5c6a9e60$02a6bfd1@cvdudley.amouse.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:04:14 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Clinton Dudley" To: Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BDBEBD.B00BC660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 454 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BDBEBD.B00BC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Changing address. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BDBEBD.B00BC660-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 11 02:19:09 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA14430 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id CAA26379 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17509; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from garlic.com (quake.garlic.com [208.195.160.136]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17480 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:12:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [207.212.212.52] (t.l2.vfr.net [207.212.212.52]) by garlic.com (8.8.6.Beta3/4.03) with ESMTP id XAA27492 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:12:40 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:12:40 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eric Gibson To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: AG Marketing & Research on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 455 RE: RESEARCH AND MARKETING VIA THE INTERNET FOR SMALL-SCALE, SUSTAINABLE GROWERS I would appreciate any contacts/resources (url's, e-mail, phone #'s or mailing address) of any relevant resources such as: - Growers with a homepage or who use the internet for production and/or marketing research, finding buyers, using the internet as an adjunct to CSA's, farmers markets, selling to restaurants or retail stores etc. - Associations (farmers' markets, regional grower's associations, etc.) - Direct Marketing Associations - Documents on agricultural use of the internet - Discussion Groups (list servers) - Other pages such as www.farmersmarketonline.com and www.marketreport.com These may be used in a book I am writing on research and marketing via the internet for small, sustainable growers. Thank you, Eric Gibson Eric Gibson New World Publishing, 3037 Grass Valley Hwy. #8185, Auburn CA 95602. (530) 823-3886. e-mail: egibson@vfr.net web: http://www.vfr.net/~newworld Author/Publisher "Sell What You Sow! The Grower's Guide To Successful Produce Marketing" FREE CATALOG "Books To Grow On" From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 12 13:41:36 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA16611 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA01872 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00487; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00366 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from web06.globecomm.net (web06.nyc.globecomm.net [207.51.48.147]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA06174 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by web06.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) id NAA14504; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808121731.NAA14504@web06.globecomm.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: sacerdote@altavista.net To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: documentary about csa Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 456 Hi, I'm not sure if I'm really subscribed because I'm not getting any mail from the list, but maybe there isn't any. My name is Angelo and I'm in NYC and I'm planning a documentary about CSA. I'm soliciting help and advice. If anybody wants to be interviewed or has some valuable research, ideas, etc. please contact me at sacerdote@altavista.net or at my job during business hours (10-6) 212-595-5002. I won't be reachable from August 15-30 . Thank you, Angelo Sacerdote From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 12 16:46:03 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA20161 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA19081 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12332; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:37:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f234.hotmail.com [207.82.251.125]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12091 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:33:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3515 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1998 20:33:15 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:33:14 PDT Message-Id: <19980812203315.3514.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:33:14 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: repinski Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 457 Hi. Someone gave me an organic buyer's [jrepinski's] email address but it didn't work. Can someone help out? Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Aug 13 09:16:50 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA13193 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA12750 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22389; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22204 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:06:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DLJKVZHE; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:05:52 EDT Message-Id: <19980813.090416.13182.0.woodyw@juno.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:09 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: woodyw@juno.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: CSA for Dairy Products? X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 458 To the List: A friend of mine who is converting from conventional dairy farming to organic, selling off his Holsteins and buying a much smaller number of Jerseys, has heard of a CSA in Colorado that specializes in dairy products? Anyone have contact information for this CSA? Woody _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 14 15:47:26 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA08643 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA22834 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00343; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:39:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emerald.tufts.edu (pmdf@emerald.tufts.edu [130.64.1.16]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00211 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:37:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by emerald.tufts.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23568) with SMTP id <0EXP00O012ISZE@emerald.tufts.edu> for csa-l@prairienet.org; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Marla Rhodes Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marla Rhodes To: Ag-Impact@mtn.org, community_garden@ag.arizona.edu, commactionlist@reddog.acf.dhhs.gov, csa-l@prairienet.org, direct-mkt@reeusda.gov, mealtalk@nal.usda.gov, ruraldev@listserv.ksu.edu, saed-share-l@cornell.edu Subject: northeast food system MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Envelope-to: csa-l@prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 459 TWO WAYS TO ACCESS THE NORTHEAST FOOD SYSTEM (ASIDE FROM LIVING IN THE NORTHEAST AND EATING FOOD): 1) Call or email the Northeast Food System Partnership to find information about community food security and sustainable food systems projects in the northeast region. We have available information on contacts, activities, services, and resources for over 150 organizations. Contact Marla Rhodes, information coordinator, with specific requests for information or to add your project to our database. The database will be accessible to the public via an interactive website, and will provide links to other relevant sites. 617-627-2246; mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu 2) Sign up to NEFOOD-L. Read and post announcements, discussion topics, and questions about all aspects of the food system, with a focus on the northeast region. Send the message SUBSCRIBE NEFOOD-L YOUR NAME to the following address: listproc@listproc.tufts.edu Leave the subject line blank. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Marla Rhodes Northeast Food System Partnership Information and Outreach Coordinator 617-627-2246 mrhodes1@emerald.tufts.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 14 15:55:19 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA08709 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA24878 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01190; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:48:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (gwgate.lib.iastate.edu [129.186.11.21]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01145 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Parks_Library-Message_Server by gwgate.lib.iastate.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:48:12 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:48:04 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jeff Hall" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA dairy in Growing for Market Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id OAA01146 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 460 I deleted the question the other day about the CSA dairy in Colorado, but in case no one else has responded, there is a one page article about it in this months Growing for Market that I received today. The address in case you need to get ahold of one, is Growing for Market P.O. Box 3747 Lawrence, KS 66046 single copies are $3, one year is $27 (recommended!) Jeff Hall, Ames Iowa From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 18 12:23:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA29881 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA25698 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23118; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23041 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:16:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Sympatico.sympatico.ca (ppp10587.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.182.42]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29448 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980818121553.0070321c@pop1.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:53 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Hilary Chop To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Attn BC farmers! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: b1qbem96@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 461 Hi! I am looking for anyone who is farming in the interior of BC. I have just left a CSA on Long Island, and will be heading west for about a month, from mid Sept. to mid-Oct. At the very least, I would like to visit some farms. At the very most, I would like to help out for a bit. Please let me know if we can arrange something! Hilary hchop@sympatico.ca From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 19 18:23:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA22908 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA02738 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23176; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:15:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f256.hotmail.com [207.82.251.147]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23120 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:15:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17234 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from 206.187.53.126 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:14:40 PDT Message-Id: <19980819221440.17233.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:14:40 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Help buy Soft rock Phosphate? Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [206.187.53.126] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 462 Can anyone help me buy a semi-trailer load of soft rock phosphate? 22 tons in 50# bags costs $131/ton, which is about $2800 altogether. I'd prefer to pay for one or at most two thousand dollars worth or something in between. So if someone else would like to get 7 to 14 tons in the Illinois or Missouri area or nearby, I'd like to go in together on it. I'm about 30 miles NW of St. Louis. This phosphate has a lot of Calcium, Phosphate, and many other minerals, including boron and other trace minerals. It's organic of course and a good soil improver. I hope to hear from someone soon before fall harvest. Lloyd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 19 18:27:39 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA22969 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA03651 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23914; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f2.hotmail.com [207.82.250.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23888 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21294 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1998 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from 206.187.53.126 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:52 PDT Message-Id: <19980819222052.21292.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:52 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: I Want Lobelia Enflata Plants. Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [206.187.53.126] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 463 I'm trying to stock up on the Top Ten Herbs for Medical Emergencies recommended by Dr. Richard Schulze before the y2k or other disaster arrives. Does anyone know where to get Lobelia enflata plants or seeds, aloes, senna, Cascara segrada, valerian, hawthorn, slippery elm, milk thistle, or Uva ursi -- plants or seeds, etc.? Thanks for any help. Aloha from Lloyd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 19 21:16:54 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA24946 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA05063 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02119; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02031 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:09:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808200109.UAA02031@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:22:37 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: "CSA List" Subject: Surveys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 464 Lots of us survey our farm members to see how things are working, what they like and don't, and so on. In the next issue of "The Community Farm" newsletter we will have an article on how to put surveys together. The writer is an expert on the subject and would like to use real life examples to illustrate the piece. We would appreciate survey forms, a few of your favorite questions, or even a couple of lines about what you want to learn when you ask questions of your members. If we can manage a usable summary of the article (which is part two of a series) we will post it here in November. No names will be used. Thanks! Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 19 22:04:23 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA25364 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA14588 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04701; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:55:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04664 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:55:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (eliza@localhost) by q7.q7.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06975; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: lloyd kinder Cc: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: I Want Lobelia Enflata Plants. In-Reply-To: <19980819222052.21292.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 465 Well, try Richter's...they carry the widest selection of medicinals that I know of. :-) eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Aug 20 10:19:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA00530 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA17402 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27986; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:59:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27939 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:59:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WSM311@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LDLWa04229 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <10c6ad16.35dc2b90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:39 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Peace and Carrots CSA and Homestead Party!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 466 Peace and Carrots Homestead Party!!!!!!!! I would like to invite everyone to a long weekend camp-out and potluck homestead party. This will be September 4,5,6 and 7th, 1998. Come camp in our fields and woods. There are 2 creeks on the property for cooling off and playing in. We will give tours of our underground house, solar greenhouse, root cellar, sweat lodge, CSA farm,etc. There will be workshops on food drying, composting, cider pressing, bread oven making/baking, preserving, homeschooling, organic farming/gardening, etc. Bring a tent and camping supplies. Expect any sort of weather from hot and humid to cold. There is a double-seater outhouse in the field for your use. Solar showers will be available for those not wishing the cold rush of creek bathing. Bring food to share and some for yourselves. If you would like to volunteer to teach something you know about at a workshop, let me know what and when. Soap? Livestock? Woodworking? Etc..... We are located less than an hour from many Vermont tourist attractions...Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, Cold Hollow Cider, Green Mountain Chocolates, Cabot Cheese, the Barre Granite quarries, Brookfield floating bridge, etc. There are many mountain biking and hiking trails right from the farm. To get here, head for Montpelier, VT., then take Rt. 12 north to Worcester. Turn right on the Calais Rd. Go until the pavement stops...make a right turn uphill on Collar Hill Rd. We are the second driveway on the right side. Look for signs and cars. There will be people here from all over. You can camp here...or stay in Montpelier if you don't like "roughing it". There is a lake 1 1/2 miles from here for swimming, fishing and canoeing. We have a canoe and our neighbor rents them out. Peter will be teaching a workshop in corracle making....that's a boat of twigs. There will be demos by homesteaders and tours to other farms. Got any good ideas for what else we should do/offer? Everything is free, but there will be a donation box to help pay for garbge removal, etc. There will be a food vendor or two and we will have potlucks and take turns preparing food. Wendy RSVP to Wendy Martin PO Box 69 Calais, VT 05648 WSM311@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ On Monday,September 7th, one of the workshops will be a sawmill restoration. About two miles from my house is a water powered sawmill....that's Robinson Saw Mill at Kent's Corner. Beginning at 9am we will install new pipe in the penstock. There will be mud. Many hands welcomed :-) This is a historic site in Calais,VT. Does anyone who's coming have a pig for sale? I'm still looking for one for the pig roast. We also decided to make ice cream as a workshop. So far we have 2 electric ice cream makers. I've been experimenting with yummy sounding ice cream recipes....it's such a hardship :-) Hope to see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Several people have asked for more specific times. Here is my answer: Hmmmmm......you must have mistaken me for an organized person :-D I'm lucky to have a list of workshops! The only one with a time so far is fixing up the water mill at 9 am Monday. If you come here for Thursday night, there is a potluck and concert by Grant Orenstein at 6:30. Workshops include: grape arboring, food preserving, chainsaw maintenance, coracle (boat) building, rope making, scarecrow making workshop, ice cream making, origami, organic gardening/farming and CSA, simple homestead carpentry, homeschooling, composting for garden and toilet, cider pressing and maybe my neighbor will teach bread baking in an outdoor oven. We will have campfires and potlucks each evening. The pig roast is Saturday. Does anyone else want to offer a workshop? Did I leave off one you've already told me you'd do? Wendy Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 21 00:42:22 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA21173 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA29860 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19139; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19079 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LRJLa22588 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:34:10 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Help buy Soft rock Phosphate? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 467 You might want to contact a gravel pit in your area. According to a report by David Yarrow in the Summer '98 issue of "Organic Farms, Folks & Foods" put out by NOFA-NY, "talings" can often be had for just the cost of trucking and do much the same job of remineralizing and refreshing soil. The price is certainly right -- at least until quarry owners figure out that somebody wants their former waste by-product! I'll be running an experiment next season -- fertilizer on one plot, quarry talings on another, everything else equal. Will let you know how it freshens! Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 21 00:43:50 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA21217 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA00124 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19315; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19270 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:37:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LWPNa04520 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <937582e4.35dcf948@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:36:22 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: I Want Lobelia Enflata Plants. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 468 Johnny's, Fedco, and Richter's. J & R are both on the web. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 21 00:53:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA21420 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA01672 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20141; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:46:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20093 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:46:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LOYWa02729 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <42cc8868.35dcfb6a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:45:29 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Autumn Equinox Open House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 469 An open invitation: 8 AM- Noon, work bee to spruce up and prepare afternoons' activities -- free. Noon-1 PM, free lunch for workers -- homemade soup & bread, salad from the garden, cider from the neighbors -- free. 2-6 PM, tours and demonstrations and mini-workshops including a 10-acre weed walk with the goat herd -- free to Ash Grove Community Farm members, $5 for non-members. 6-8 PM, community potluck supper. Bring a place setting and a "serves 6" dish to pass -- free. 8-9 PM, sacred drumming. Bring something to bang on if you haven't got a drum (little brothers don't count) -- free. Sorry, we can no longer offer overnight accommodations. Will be glad to help arrange nearby camping or hotel reservations. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 21 01:45:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA22713 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA10833 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA22954; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21868 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ppp-asok05--046.sirius.net (ppp-asok05--053.sirius.net [205.134.245.53]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id WAA18386 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ppp-asok05--046.sirius.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCC89.491F0F00@ppp-asok05--046.sirius.net>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:24:24 -0700 Message-Id: <01BDCC89.491F0F00@ppp-asok05--046.sirius.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:23:32 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi To: "'CSA List'" Subject: Looking for an Apprenticeship MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id AAA21869 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 470 Hi. I'm leaving my desk-jockey job next week to pursue a more fulilling career in organic farming. I love to garden, and am quite successful at it. I plan to live and work at the Arcosanti arcology in Arizona this October/November. They're conducting a permaculture seminar then, so I should be certified (I've been told I'm certifiable all of my life!) The reason I tell you all of this, is because I am interested in working as an apprentice at an organic farm. In the long run, I may consider moving, but for now, I must remain in the San Francisco Bay Area. I am aware of Our Farm in Woodside, but wanted to know if anyone can clue me in on other Bay Area organic farms where one might apprentice. Any info. is greatly appreciated. Maybe you know of other newsgroups that I might subscribe to. Thanx, Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi Oakland California Community Activist http://www.sirius.com/~marcello From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Aug 21 01:45:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA22715 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA10834 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA22876; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:38:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21394 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LCKMa13455 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2ca02b72.35dd013c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:10:19 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Publicizing Our CSAs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 471 Some of the things we're doing this year -- what are other folks up to? 1. Major presence at local farmer's market every other Saturday. Sometimes we take no produce, just a nice collection of home-grown houseplants and one or two five-month-old goat kids in their portable pen -- with our BIG sign. Every other week works as well as every week -- it's okay to be missed once in a while! 2. Reacting with a big enthusiastic smile when somebody from the Grange says "Wow, this sounds like something we ought to get behind and support and promote!" -- and swallowing down (oo, it's hard and bitter) that "And where the heck have you guys been for the past eight years?" reply that's trying to chisel its way out between the gap in my front teeth. 3. Participating during one of the off-weeks (see #1) in Revolutionary and Civil War Re-enactments -- in costume, with those goat kids. It helps to have a character and a costume. On August 29 and 30 I'm going to be at Newtown Battlefield playing a German Lady Settler having a bit of a conflict with a Delaware Warrior who keeps stealing my goat. It also helps to have a goat kid who is just about too big to carry, doesn't walk on a leash worth a darn, loves crowds, and comes running into your arms when you whistle. This trick requires an inexaustible supply of raisins. Does anybody know the German word for "Goat"? I'll also be dispensing herbal remedies -- mostly comfrey and homemade pansy salve for bumps and bruises. And of course brochures about the farm and our co-op goat herd will be posted at the entrance. 4. Participating in other community events. I'll be at Corning's Chili and Chocolate Cookoff with goat milk fudge in early October. Two years ago I took part in the chili cookoff but that's too much work for just one person. Desserts may be cooked ahead and served up with a smile and a special brochure announcing our October and November workshops and events. Absolutely, all of this stuff is hard work, and takes time away from the farm. It's also a _lot_ of fun, and sometimes it's A Good Thing to get away from the farm for a few hours. And it's an investment -- can't buy the kind of coverage that activities like these can bring (all we have to do is notify the press a week or so ahead -- they love having the human-interest hook handed to them). Dori Green, Facilitator (and journalist by training) Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 23 11:16:52 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA24110 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA13870 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12244; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:57:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12193 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LOADa04229 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <886227df.35e02da0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:56:31 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Autumn Equinox Open House - Duh! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 472 I guess I've been hanging out too long with pagans and other farm-type folk who date things by moon phases and quarter-days -- neglected to mention that this year's Autumn Equinox lands smack dab on Sunday, September 20th. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY PS -- all of the Corning tourist thingys will be open the day before. If anybody's travelling any distance a'tall you might want to consider making it a weekend trip in order to spend some time at the Glass Center and/or Rockwell Museum of Western Art and/or National Warplane Museum and/or Soaring Museum. The Appalaichian Storytelling Festival happens in Mansfield PA on that Friday night and Saturday also, just 20 miles from the farm. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 23 22:59:34 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA00275 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id WAA23983 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA07319; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (smtp@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07238 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:20:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu (smtp@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.81]) by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/4.3-mailhub) with ESMTP id WAA00808 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (oneal@localhost) by breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/5.1-client) with SMTP id WAA06536 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Gideon Porth To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: work wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: oneal@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 473 hi. my name's gideon porth and i'm writing to send out a message looking for job opportunities or possibly apprenticeships for next year's growing season. i'm currently in my second season as an apprentice at the Community Farm of Ann Arbor, a 120 member biodynamic CSA just outside of ann arbor, michigan. i've also spent time working and teaching on farms in british columbia and tennessee and studying agricultural and development issues in south and central america. i recently graduated from u of m with a degree in ecology and eventually hope to combine farming for a csa and teaching farming to high school- college aged students in the future. my farming interests lie greatly in local, diverse food production systems, permaculture, urban farming and connecting consumers to the sources of their food. i feel like i am somewhere between ready to start a project of my own and continuing to apprentice under others. i would ideally like to find a position where i could be connected to a csa but in a position of greater responsibility than an apprentice. if anyone knows of opportunities please let me know. thanks! -gideon From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 24 17:19:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA14718 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA20217 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25967; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu (oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu [164.116.34.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25870 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 164.116.34.100 (rport2.onysd.wednet.edu [164.116.34.100] (may be forged)) by oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA28301 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <35E1D2D8.455A@onysd.wednet.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:53:49 -0700 Reply-To: krains@onysd.wednet.edu Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Rains To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: introduction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 474 Hi: I am new to the list and my husband and I bought our farm from my parents two years ago and have been looking for the best way to utilize the property. My husband really wants to farm full time and leave his 9-5 job. Currently we have cows and pigs (small amount) but don't want to go in to animal production on a large scale. We have also considered berries of different types. We live in western Washington and are interested in different crops for this area. I hope that this mailing list will provide us with some interesting information. -- Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu Board of Directors Onalaska School District #300 D E D I C A T E D TO S U C C E S S http://www.onysd.wednet.edu/board/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 24 20:40:53 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA18894 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA04074 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA08475; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cheetah.it.wsu.edu (root@cheetah.it.wsu.edu [134.121.1.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08414 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:19:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [134.121.86.40] (cru69.cahe.wsu.edu [134.121.86.39]) by cheetah.it.wsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07166 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Carol A. Miles" To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: FW: introduction In-Reply-To: <55D1FD4018BAD11184D900805FE67293EA5404@kcmail2.metrokc.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: milesc@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 475 Hi Karen: Your email was forwarded to me and I thought I would take this opportunity to respond to you. If you are not familiar with WSU Cooperative Extension, I would suggest you give us a call or come in to meet us. Or, check out our homepages and perhaps you will find some useful information there. We have farm workshops scheduled for the fall semester, you can see the schedule at my web page. If you have specific questions, let me know. At 2:50 PM -0700 8/24/98, Stienbarger, Douglas wrote: >This person is in your area. FYI > >Douglas M. Stienbarger >Interim Chair, King County >Area Faculty, Agriculture & Natural Resources >Washington State University Cooperative Extension >700th Fifth Ave., Suite 3700 >Seattle, WA 98104-5037 > 206-205-6390 fax: 206-296-0952 >mailto:douglas.stienbarger@metrokc.gov > >"...Food is a cultural product; it cannot be produced by technology alone." > >- Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America, Culture and Agriculture > >> ---------- >> From: Karen Rains[SMTP:krains@onysd.wednet.edu] >> Reply To: krains@onysd.wednet.edu >> Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 13:53 >> To: CSA-L@prairienet.org >> Subject: introduction >> >> Hi: I am new to the list and my husband and I bought our farm from my >> parents two years ago and have been looking for the best way to utilize >> the property. My husband really wants to farm full time and leave his >> 9-5 job. Currently we have cows and pigs (small amount) but don't want >> to go in to animal production on a large scale. We have also considered >> berries of different types. We live in western Washington and are >> interested in different crops for this area. >> >> I hope that this mailing list will provide us with some interesting >> information. >> -- >> Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu >> Board of Directors Onalaska School District #300 >> D E D I C A T E D TO S U C C E S S >> http://www.onysd.wednet.edu/board/ >> Carol A. Miles, Ph.D. Washington State University Extension Agricultural Systems 360 NW North Street Chehalis, WA 98532 PHONE 360-740-1295 FAX 360-740-2792 milesc@wsu.edu URL http://agsyst.wsu.edu From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 25 11:16:49 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA26905 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA25694 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13287; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:57:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cliff.niehs.nih.gov (root@cliff.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.7]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13222 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:56:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from della.niehs.nih.gov (della.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.14.42]) by cliff.niehs.nih.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28952 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:56:39 -0400 Received: by della.niehs.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:57:36 -0400 Message-Id: <8DD3D27DC6A5D111823200A0C955FB4001C2CCAF@drucker.niehs.nih.gov> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:57:27 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "James.Olivia" To: "'CSA list'" Subject: North Carolina CSAs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 476 i'm interested in finding some kind of mutual arrangement with a CSA near Raleigh, NC...something involving groceries, money, and a little work & learning. if you happen to have a CSA within an hour or so of western Raleigh, please let me know who you are. thanks and take care. olivia james james3@niehs.nih.gov From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 25 13:20:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA28986 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA25233 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21423; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21360 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02505; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: Karen Rains Cc: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: introduction In-Reply-To: <35E1D2D8.455A@onysd.wednet.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 477 I live in Western Oregon and there ain't hardly a thing you can't grow here :-) (Okay not bananas...) Well, parts of western wash are cooler than us down here in the Willamette Valley but you too can get away with growing lots more, lots more of the year than most of our continental and southern and eastern seaboard usa sisters and brothers :-) I think you should grow something you like. What would you like to grow? If you grow something you love/like you're sure to have more fun and success than if you *only* pick what you think you could sell. You do have to consider sales issues but really go with what you like within that. Wash state extension hosts small farmers' workshops in the late winter which can be good for ideas and networking. I attended one in Port Townsend which was pretty swell.... Perhaps if you provide more information to the list about what you've been thinking about people will have more advice. You can also post to ogl and sanet which are two lists I know of (am on) and which are a tad more active. :-) eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 25 15:16:11 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA01576 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA24215 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29222; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:53:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29125 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:51:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14752; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeanne-s (as5200-9.sl044.cns.vt.edu [128.173.33.251]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03840; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980825144931.006faaec@mail.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:49:31 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "jeanne A. nye" To: "James.Olivia" , CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: North Carolina CSAs In-Reply-To: <8DD3D27DC6A5D111823200A0C955FB4001C2CCAF@drucker.niehs.nih .gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: nyej@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 478 The Carolina Farm Stewardship Assoc. Website with contact info: http://sunsite.unc.edu/cfsa/index.htm They don't seem to list farmers. So you might want to contact them directly: CFSA PO Box 448 Pittsboro, NC 27312-0448 919/542-2402 Good Luck. Jeanne At 10:57 AM 8/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >i'm interested in finding some kind of mutual arrangement with a CSA near >Raleigh, NC...something involving groceries, money, and a little work & >learning. if you happen to have a CSA within an hour or so of western >Raleigh, please let me know who you are. thanks and take care. > >olivia james >james3@niehs.nih.gov > Jeanne A. Nye VABF Project Coordinator BuyGreen Virginia Partnership 1715 Blair Street Christiansburg VA 24073 540 633-6633 w & fax 540 633-0089 h Buygreen@buygreen.org From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Aug 25 16:15:29 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA03153 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA10775 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02455; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:45:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (gwgate.lib.iastate.edu [129.186.11.21]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02411 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:45:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Parks_Library-Message_Server by gwgate.lib.iastate.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:45:09 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:44:48 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jeff Hall" To: james3@niehs.nih.gov, CSA-L@prairienet.org, nyej@vt.edu Subject: finding CSAs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id OAA02412 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 479 This list is over a year old, but might be useful: http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA/us/StateList.html Also, everyone should call Extension--if they don't have it, they need to get on the ball! Jeff Hall, Ames Iowa From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 26 07:40:03 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12258 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA11682 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA13979; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@BC.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.35]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13949 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:19:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [198.77.38.227] (AM8-28.Franklin-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.38.227]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA23280 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:19:21 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: lfi@access.mountain.net (Lightstone Foundation) To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 480 Greeting to you wherever you hang your hat from the wild and wonderful state of WV. I am interested in employment with a CSA immediately. Attached you will find my resume and transcripts. The address on the resume is that of my parent's house which would be the best place to contact me after mid-September. Until that time I can be reached at the address and phone number below as I am currently employed with and reside at the Lightstone Foundation. I am interested in employment which offers either housing or at least enough money to meet my expenses. Thank you for your time, Sincerely, Dave Fazzino Attachment converted: JEWEL:RESUME (WDBN/MSWD) (0000F679) Attachment converted: JEWEL:references (WDBN/MSWD) (0000F67A) From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 26 07:48:12 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12333 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA12609 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA14484; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:30:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14384 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:29:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA09767; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:28:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma2-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.71) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009758; Wed Aug 26 06:27:57 1998 Message-Id: <017001bdd0e4$906faa40$6591d9ce@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:27:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: "Jeff Hall" , , , Subject: Re: finding CSAs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 481 Jeff is right that list is over a year old. I wrote to the e-mail address provide about a year ago to have our new Massachusetts csa put on the list well of course its not there. However the page on the history of csa is very good. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hall To: james3@niehs.nih.gov ; CSA-L@prairienet.org ; nyej@vt.edu Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 3:46 PM Subject: finding CSAs >This list is over a year old, but might be useful: > >http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA/us/StateList.html > >Also, everyone should call Extension--if they don't have it, they need to get on the ball! > >Jeff Hall, Ames Iowa > > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 26 09:23:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA13712 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA27855 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18273; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18230 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FranksFarm@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LHOVa19316 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <149e6ba2.35e406a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:59:17 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: FranksFarm@aol.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Central Kentucky CSAs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 482 Hello, I'm trying to network with fellow CSa'ers in this area. I've just purchased a farm in this area, and will be converting it to organic operation. Love to hear from others interested in OGF, Bio-Intensive farming, CSA's, permaculture etc. Thanks and bets wishes to all. Frank From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 26 13:20:28 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA18037 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA27100 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09356; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f218.hotmail.com [207.82.251.109]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09289 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 23560 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1998 17:01:31 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:01:30 PDT Message-Id: <19980826170131.23559.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:01:30 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Questions on Buyers Addresses and on Weed Killers Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 483 Hi.Does anyone have an email or mail address for Seeds of Change? Does anyone have the address for Vita Spelt or Purity Foods? Or the address for Goodness Greenness? How much acetic acid, water and surfactant is supposed to be used per acre to kill weeds? Or how much citric acid? One source of acetic acid was said to be National Vinegar of Alton, IL. Is that right? And what was the other? A citric acid source was said to be Industrial Chemical of Memphis. Is that right? Someone said corn gluten is a weed suppressant, but at how many lbs/acre? Can corn be ground up and spread on the ground? If so, how many lbs/acre? Does wheat gluten suppress weeds too? And can wheat be ground up and spread on the ground? Or does the gluten have to be separated from the grain? Aloha from Lloyd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Aug 26 16:01:33 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA21143 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA08309 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20750; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:43:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20709 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA16880 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nestor.NMSU.Edu (nestor.NMSU.Edu [128.123.34.146]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA20024 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pc-cfalk.nmsu.edu (pc-cfalk.NMSU.Edu [128.123.30.117]) by nestor.NMSU.Edu (8.8.6/8.7) with SMTP id NAA198752 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:57 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980827074843.006c796c@cnmailsvr.nmsu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:48:43 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Connie Falk To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Questions on Buyers Addresses and on Weed Killers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cfalk@cnmailsvr.nmsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 484 Hi. Seeds of Change can be reached at www.seedsofchange.com or 505-438-8080, which I obtained from the Natural Foods Merchandiser 98-99 Retailer Purchasing Guide ("The Definitive Reference for National and International Sources of Natural and Organic Products") which is put out by New Hope Natural Media (www.newhope.com) in Boulder, CO. New Hope also sponsors the big Expo West and East natural/organic product industry shows every year. In Anaheim this winter I heard there were 8 miles of booths. Good luck. Connie Falk At 10:01 AM 8/26/1998 PDT, you wrote: >Hi.Does anyone have an email or mail address for Seeds of Change? Does >anyone have the address for Vita Spelt or Purity Foods? Or the address >for Goodness Greenness? How much acetic acid, water and surfactant is >supposed to be used per acre to kill weeds? Or how much citric acid? One >source of acetic acid was said to be National Vinegar of Alton, IL. Is >that right? And what was the other? A citric acid source was said to be >Industrial Chemical of Memphis. Is that right? Someone said corn gluten >is a weed suppressant, but at how many lbs/acre? Can corn be ground up >and spread on the ground? If so, how many lbs/acre? Does wheat gluten >suppress weeds too? And can wheat be ground up and spread on the ground? >Or does the gluten have to be separated from the grain? Aloha from Lloyd > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Constance L. Falk Associate Professor Dept. Ag. Econ. & Ag. Bus. New Mexico State University From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sat Aug 29 13:15:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA00450 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA06996 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09399; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:23:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pegasus.azstarnet.com (pegasus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.194]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09362 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default (dialup13ip016.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.36.16]) by pegasus.azstarnet.com (8.8.5-nerd/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04693 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:22:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <008801bdd368$991399a0$1024c5a9@default> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:17:56 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Crecencio Elenes" To: Subject: Fw: work wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 485 Hi Gideon, we are a first year organic farm with the intention of forming a CSA for next growing season. We are also a composting facility located at the US-Mexico border in Arizona. We lease land from the local school district and are interested in working with youth, community and sustainable development/agriculture. I can't say fotr sure what opportunities will be available for next season, however if you are interested please contact us at: Terra-Cycle Technologies/Farm 1371 E. Frontage Road Rio Rico, AZ 85648 520 604-2089 My name is Jo Jean Elenes. Our e-mail is celenes@azstarnet.com We look forwaed to hear from you. -----Original Message----- From: Gideon Porth To: csa-l@prairienet.org Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 7:25 PM Subject: work wanted >hi. my name's gideon porth and i'm writing to send out a message looking >for job opportunities or possibly apprenticeships for next year's growing >season. i'm currently in my second season as an apprentice at the >Community Farm of Ann Arbor, a 120 member biodynamic CSA just >outside of ann arbor, michigan. i've also spent time working and >teaching on farms in british columbia and tennessee and studying >agricultural and development issues in south and central america. i >recently graduated from u of m with a degree in ecology and eventually >hope to combine farming for a csa and teaching farming to high school- >college aged students in the future. my farming interests lie greatly in >local, diverse food production systems, permaculture, urban farming and >connecting consumers to the sources of their food. i feel like i am >somewhere between ready to start a project of my own and continuing to >apprentice under others. i would ideally like to find a position where i >could be connected to a csa but in a position of greater responsibility >than an apprentice. if anyone knows of opportunities please let me know. >thanks! -gideon > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 01:11:37 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA06857 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA19549 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14254; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:58:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13800 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jps.net (208-25-50-38.stk.jps.net [208.25.50.38]) by smtp1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13794 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <35E86D6F.7608E897@jps.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:07:03 +0000 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Richard Roth To: "CSA-L@prairienet.org" Subject: Stake in farmers' market MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F285E8B9572CA5B8B9B5DD18" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 486 --------------F285E8B9572CA5B8B9B5DD18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got a scarry letter and form from Mr. Ed Williams, Supervisor/State of California/Fruit, Vegetable and Egg Quality Control Branch/1220 N Street, Room A-447/Sacramento, CA 95814 Saying that Unless wee small farmers pay up we are going to have our local farmers' markets ripped out from under us. That "in order for the certification/enforcement program and certified producer exemptions from commercial packaging, labeling, and sizing requirements to continue, adequate funding for the State program must be obtained". Also that there have been some "significant problems" from secondary certificates sellers at markets. Which will of course require more restrictions on us to rectify. It sounds like a stick up to me, or an attempt at assasination. Either implimented by bureaucrates, corporate agriculture, or shippers. We got just until Sept. 11th to reply with a limited survey that seems to ask us how we want to be held up.!! We get to choose. No back up information. No phone number. Just the short limited survey and a return envelope. Anybody else got one of these and is as upset as this as me? --------------F285E8B9572CA5B8B9B5DD18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got a scarry letter and form from Mr. Ed Williams, Supervisor/State of California/Fruit, Vegetable and Egg Quality Control Branch/1220 N Street, Room A-447/Sacramento, CA 95814

    Saying that Unless wee small farmers pay up we are going to have our local farmers' markets ripped out from under us. That "in order for the certification/enforcement program and certified producer exemptions from commercial packaging, labeling, and sizing requirements to continue, adequate funding for the State program must be obtained".

    Also that there have been some "significant problems" from secondary certificates sellers at markets. Which will of course require more restrictions  on us to rectify.

    It sounds like a stick up to me, or an attempt at assasination. Either implimented by bureaucrates, corporate agriculture, or shippers.

    We got just until Sept. 11th to reply with a limited survey that seems to ask us how we want to be held up.!! We get to choose.

    No back up information. No phone number. Just the short limited survey and a return envelope.

    Anybody else got one of these and is as upset as this as me? --------------F285E8B9572CA5B8B9B5DD18-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 12:52:26 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA10930 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA19339 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00615; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:37:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from web03.iname.net (web03.iname.net [165.251.4.13]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00576 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:36:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by web03.iname.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) id MAA15260; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808301636.MAA15260@web03.iname.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: sacerdote@altavista.net To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: seeds of change Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 487 seeds of change was recently purchased by the m&m mars corporation. also, I have known people who have had bad luck using seeds from them- problems such as poor germination, mislabelled seeds, and very late delivery of orders. just thought you'd like to know. Angelo in NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------\r\nGet your free email from altavista.iname.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 13:24:20 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA11488 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA26103 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02202; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02168 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [206.102.68.213] (pm3shep2-68-195.intrepid.net [206.102.68.195]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19417 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:17:19 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Intergalactic Garage To: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: seeds of change In-Reply-To: <199808301636.MAA15260@web03.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 488 >seeds of change was recently purchased by the m&m mars corporation. also, >I have known people who have had bad luck using seeds from them- problems >such as poor germination, mislabelled seeds, and very late delivery of >orders. just thought you'd like to know. > >Angelo in NY > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > -------------------------------\r\nGet your free email from >altavista.iname.com Dear Angelo - >From my conversations with Howard Shapiro earlier this year after I heard the news that you mentioned above, I have found that Seeds of Change is the same company it has always been, only with a great many improvements now due to having some cash available to them. (Improvements such as being able to pay more organic growers to grow more organic seeds and being able to conduct more searches in South America for more varieties of heirloom seeds and so on.) Charismatic and ETHICAL founders Al Kapuler and Howard Shapiro are still at the daily helm of Seeds of Change marketing and experimentation. It is important to note that this change in ownership took place some time ago (what, early LAST year?) and essentially went unnoticed until Food and Water (?) took exception to this transition. Mars is a family-owned, not a publically-owned, corporation. As such is is not as subject to the pressures of the market place as the profit-motivated publically -owned organizations we commonly think of when we hear the word 'corporation.' Seeds of Change sells real living heirloom seeds grown on the whole by real grassroots farmers. As such their product may lack the homogenity and consistency of the big seed companies. Their product is guaranteed however. (And I admit to some surprises from Seeds of Change seeds myself. (Such as bush squash that sprawl all across the field.) I am probably biased in this report since Seeds of Change has always been generous in supporting any Sustainable Ag outreach I have been involved in. Given the amount of work they've done in the past to protect and promote biodiveristy, I'd hate to see them lose support in this community because economic pressures have forced them to work with what appears to be benign corporation. Which reminds me: it is NOT my impression that greed motivate SoC's agreement with this 'take over' but rather a desire to have the 'energy' to service diversity better. Just my thoughts, -Allan Balliett BD NOW! =========================================================================== The Third Annual Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Conference Oct 2-4, Charles Town, WV Theme: Traditional Nutrition and Restorative Agriculture Topics: Sustainable Agrictulture * Herbs and Herbalism * Permaculture * Traditional Nutrition * Soil Life * Community Supported Agriculture * Marketing What You Produce Featured Speakers: Dr. Jim Duke, The World's Foremost Herbalist; Sally Fallon, Author of Traditional Nutrition, the 'diet book' that speaks out against politically correct 'nutrition;' Scott Pittman, Head of NA Permaculture International and a noted teacher of Permaculture; Steve Diver, ATTRA researcher and author; Joel Salatin, author of "You Can Farm" and small farm marketing guru, Hugh Courtney, BD Prep Maker to the Nation, Hugh Lovel, Cosmiculturist extaordinaire, Jerry Brunneti - Pasture Health Expert and more! 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 14:13:22 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA12053 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA06947 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04590; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:00:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04554 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:00:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id LLPSa14905 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:59:30 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: seeds of change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 489 In a message dated 98-08-30 12:40:37 EDT, you write: << seeds of change was recently purchased by the m&m mars corporation >> Oh, nuts. Haven't dealt with them so can't address the other issues, but this alone will keep me away. I've been ecstatically happy with Fedco Seeds and Johnny's Selected Seeds. If it'll grow in Maine, it'll grow here! Both offer a wide selection of open- pollinated varieties and very informative catalogs. Johnny's is on the web (http://www.johnnyseeds.com I think). Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 14:19:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA12107 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA08518 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA05089; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05048 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id LZDSa22984 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:06:15 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: seeds of change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 490 Based on the second post on this topic, okay I would not rule out doing business with them based just on their ownership. Thanks for the clarification. True enough, corporations are not inherently evil (well, not always) . The majority of my business still goes with my other two guys, who've been treating me well for years -- with professional service and great seeds. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Sun Aug 30 23:36:35 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA19883 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA05990 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29344; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:02:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29303 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:02:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WSM311@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id LEYa022985 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:01:27 +2000 (EDT) Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:01:27 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: WSM311@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: UPDATED....Peace and Carrots CSA Homestead Party!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 491 Peace and Carrots CSA Homestead Party!!!!!!!! I would like to invite everyone to a long weekend camp-out and potluck homestead party. This will be September 4,5,6 and 7th, 1998. Come camp in our fields and woods. There are 2 creeks on the property for cooling off and playing in. We will give tours of our underground house, solar greenhouse, root cellar, sweat lodge, CSA farm,etc. If you come here for Thursday night, there is a potluck and concert by Grant Orenstein at 6:30. There will be workshops on food drying, sawmill restoration, rope making, composting for garden and toilet, cider pressing, preserving, homeschooling, organic farming/gardening, chainsaw maintenance, creative conflict resolution, marketing, problem-solving techniques like brainstorming, active listening, process charting, needs analysis, business plan development, grant writing, making ice cream, teas, herbal preparations, origami, scarecrow making,coracle (boat) building, grape arboring and possibly goats and hoof trimming, etc. If you would like to volunteer to teach something you know about at a workshop, let me know what and when. Soap? Livestock? Woodworking? Etc.... Got any good ideas for what else we should do/offer? Bring a tent and camping supplies. Expect any sort of weather from hot and humid to cold. There is a double-seater outhouse in the field for your use. Solar showers will be available for those not wishing the cold rush of creek bathing. Bring food to share and some for yourselves. There will be people here from all over. You can camp here...or stay in Montpelier if you don't like "roughing it". There is a lake 1 1/2 miles from here for swimming, fishing and canoeing. We have a canoe and our neighbor rents them out. Everything is free, but there will be a donation box to help pay for garbge removal, etc. There will be a food vendor or two and we will have potlucks and take turns preparing food. We will have campfires and potlucks each evening. The pig roast is Saturday. On Monday,September 7th, one of the workshops will be a sawmill restoration. About two miles from my house is a water powered sawmill....that's Robinson Saw Mill at Kent's Corner. Beginning at 9am we will install new pipe in the penstock. There will be mud. Many hands welcomed :-) This is a historic site in Calais,VT We are located less than an hour from many Vermont tourist attractions...Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, Cold Hollow Cider, Green Mountain Chocolates, Cabot Cheese, the Barre Granite quarries, Brookfield floating bridge, etc. There are many mountain biking and hiking trails right from the farm. To get here, head for Montpelier, VT., then take Rt. 12 north to Worcester. Turn right on the Calais Rd. Go until the pavement stops...make a right turn uphill on Collar Hill Rd. We are the second driveway on the right side. Look for signs and cars. RSVP to Wendy Martin PO Box 69 Calais, VT 05648 WSM311@aol.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Aug 31 17:56:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA07617 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA12627 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01666; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:41:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01369 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from xx196@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21168 for csa-l; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808312140.QAA21168@bluestem.prairienet.org> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:23 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Prairienet Member Services To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: PPPrairienet Is Here! Content-Type: text X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 492 PPPRAIRIENET IS HERE! You've heard all the talk about graphical access to the Internet coming soon to Prairienet. It's finally here and easy to get. And, this service costs nothing extra to you as Prairienet members, although we would be happy to take a donation! WHAT IS PPPRAIRIENET? If you have friends who have accounts with a local Internet Services Provider, you probably have noticed that the World Wide Web pages they look at have pictures and sounds or that they use different programs to read their mail or read Usenet newsgroups. They are using a type of connection called Point to Point Protocol, PPP. 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 14:12:49 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA25438 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA03178 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17341; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17162; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:56:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net (ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net [205.134.245.134]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id KAA07057; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDD597.32F5F600@ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:56:40 -0700 Message-Id: <01BDD597.32F5F600@ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:00:35 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi To: "'csa-l@prairienet.org'" Cc: "'Prairienet Member Services'" , "'abuse@prairienet.org'" Subject: RE: PPPrairienet Is Here! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id MAA17163 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 493 I find this spam unconscienable! I am susbscribed to this listserve for information on community supported agriculture, and do not wish to receive unsolicited advertising from the ISP that hosts the listserve. I'd like to know how other subscribers feel. If you are as outraged by this action, I suggest you reply to this spam with a complaint, and cc [abuse@prairienet.org]. Any further unsolicited commercial e-mail from Prairienet will cause me to immediately unsubscribe to this otherwise useful and appreciated listserve. Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi ---------- From: Prairienet Member Services Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 2:40 PM To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: PPPrairienet Is Here! PPPRAIRIENET IS HERE! You've heard all the talk about graphical access to the Internet coming soon to Prairienet. It's finally here and easy to get. And, this service costs nothing extra to you as Prairienet members, although we would be happy to take a donation! WHAT IS PPPRAIRIENET? If you have friends who have accounts with a local Internet Services Provider, you probably have noticed that the World Wide Web pages they look at have pictures and sounds or that they use different programs to read their mail or read Usenet newsgroups. They are using a type of connection called Point to Point Protocol, PPP. This connection makes their computer a part of the Internet, so they run programs on their home computer that access various componants of the Internet, such as Netscape to access the World Wide Web, Eudora to access email, or WSFTP to fetch files on remote computers. DO I NEED PPPRAIRIENET? That depends on how you use the internet. 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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 16:04:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA29054 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA03115 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25471; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:49:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25369 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12142; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi Cc: "'csa-l@prairienet.org'" Subject: RE: PPPrairienet Is Here! In-Reply-To: <01BDD597.32F5F600@ppp-asok07--134.sirius.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 494 On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi wrote: > I find this spam unconscienable! Whoa! I think you are speaking too harshly, too quickly. Use their org ending as a clue to what they may be about and find out a little more. Typically this i dsone before one "spams" them back with complaint email, but you can still visit their website website to find out more and then see if you still feel the same way. cheers eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 16:30:40 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA29636 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA10455 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27278; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:16:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27247 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 10646 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 20:15:33 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:15:30 PDT Message-Id: <19980901201533.10645.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:15:30 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: rfarm@jps.net Cc: csa-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Stake in farmers' market Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 495 Hi. I'm not in Calif. and haven't gotten one of those letters, but I hear that the USDA is also trying to make a stick-up on a broader scale. They want to own the term organic and not let anyone use other terms to mean the same thing and they want themselves to receive thousands of dollars each year to certify each grower. They obviously work with their comrades in Agribiz. Andy Gause at usgoldcoins.com says the gov't is preparing to have the means to move large populations in a short time within the U.S. For what purpose he didn't say. But the gov't is corrupt and we organic folks need to be alert and find effective counter-measures. I'd like to hear if anyone has more details on the USDA scheme against organic. Aloha from Lloyd >Just got a scarry letter and form from Mr. Ed Williams, Supervisor/State >of California/Fruit, Vegetable and Egg Quality Control Branch/1220 N >Street, Room A-447/Sacramento, CA 95814 > >Saying that Unless wee small farmers pay up we are going to have our >local farmers' markets ripped out from under us. That "in order for the >certification/enforcement program and certified producer exemptions from >commercial packaging, labeling, and sizing requirements to continue, >adequate funding for the State program must be obtained". > >Also that there have been some "significant problems" from secondary >certificates sellers at markets. Which will of course require more >restrictions on us to rectify. > >It sounds like a stick up to me, or an attempt at assasination. Either >implimented by bureaucrates, corporate agriculture, or shippers. > >We got just until Sept. 11th to reply with a limited survey that seems >to ask us how we want to be held up.!! We get to choose. > >No back up information. No phone number. Just the short limited survey >and a return envelope. > >Anybody else got one of these and is as upset as this as me? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 17:08:38 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA00995 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA19473 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00029; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:49:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29990 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:49:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 17395 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:48:32 PDT Message-Id: <19980901204833.17394.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:48:32 PDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "lloyd kinder" To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: gravel tailings for fertilizer? Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 496 Hi. I asked about others who might want to help buy a load of soft rock phosphate and someone replied as below. I'd like to know if anyone knows if such tailings can take care of the need for phosphate or calcium or sulphur in the soil. And are tailings different from lime. I hope someone can reply with good info. It might save me and others a lot of money on fertilizer. And does anyone know how to get the David Yarrow article? Here's the info I got before: >You might want to contact a gravel pit in your area. According to a report by >David Yarrow in the Summer '98 issue of "Organic Farms, Folks & Foods" put out >by NOFA-NY, "talings" can often be had for just the cost of trucking and do >much the same job of remineralizing and refreshing soil. > >The price is certainly right -- at least until quarry owners figure out that >somebody wants their former waste by-product! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 18:15:08 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA02073 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA04109 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05937; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:59:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05876 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [205.254.241.14] (term1-14.vta.west.net [205.254.241.14]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA22664 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:58:03 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: colibri@west.net (Beth von Gunten) To: Subject: RE: SPAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: colibri@west.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 497 I keep up with a number of lists related to my work. It's a chore to work my way through the *real* mail each day, a process only aggravated by the increasing SPAM arriving in my in-box, a disproportionate quantity of which comes via this, the CSA list. I didn't sign up to find out a little more about any of the many, many ISPs paid (paid) to deliver email to and from me. I consider SPAM - any SPAM - an unwelcome, uninvited intrusion, and RUDE. I don't SPAM prairienet or anyone else with our fundraising appeals, and I don't think it's too much to expect reciprocal consideration. Beth von Gunten Field Representative, Ventura County Community Alliance with Family Farmers POB 1845, Ojai, CA 93024 ---------------------------------------- >On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi wrote: > >> I find this spam unconscienable! > > >Whoa! I think you are speaking too harshly, too quickly. Use >their org ending as a clue to what they may be about and find out a little >more. Typically this i dsone before one "spams" them back with complaint >email, but you can still visit their website website to find out more and >then see if you still feel the same way. > >cheers >eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 18:49:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA02841 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA11254 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07922; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:32:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07841 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:31:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LCOTa16074 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4716622e.35ec75bb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:31:23 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: gravel tailings for fertilizer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 498 "Somebody" here ("I Used to Wonder Why Somebody Didn't Do Something, Then I Realized I _Am_ Somebody"). The David Yarrow article is in the July/August issue of "Organic Farms, Folks & Foods" published by the Northeast Organic Farming Association of New York, Inc. Single issues are free but folks requesting one should include a few dollars ($3 would be nice) to cover postage and handling -- this is a _very_ not-for-profit group doing important work on a very tight budget. This particular issue of their newsletter includes a listing of the farms certified by NOFA-NY this year. Part II of the research results will appear in a future issue. A $25 individual membership ($15 student or senior) would ensure that you didn't miss it -- membership includes six issues of this newsletter plus four of The Natural Farmer, and discounts for NOFA-NY events and on publications listed in the newsletter, so it's a good value even if you don't live in New York. Make checks payable to NOFA-NY and send to NOFA-NY PO Box 21 South Butler, NY 13154 Yah, I'm a member. They tied me down at the Hampshire College conference last month and tickled me until I re-upped. No, they don't do that for just anybody. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 1 20:05:47 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA03642 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA27410 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12237; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12202 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:46:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from radiks.net (sr.radiks.net [205.138.126.6]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00643; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jwoods@localhost) by radiks.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16481; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:45:40 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jay Woods To: lloyd kinder Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: gravel tailings for fertilizer? In-Reply-To: <19980901204833.17394.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jwoods@radiks.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 499 The answer is - yes but not exactly. Powdered rock, especially igneous rocks, will *slowly* release most of the minor elements, sulfur, potash and phosphate. It is a quick fix for no problems. When rock is crushed at a quarry for gravel, a small amount of the rock is powdered for which a quarry has no use. It usually ends up in the bottom of some pond. The stuff, the tailings are an environmental problem for the quarry. It blows around and is easily eroded. They will be happy for you to take it if you can figure out how, they don't want to figure it out. ---Jay On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, lloyd kinder wrote: > Hi. I asked about others who might want to help buy a load of soft rock > phosphate and someone replied as below. I'd like to know if anyone knows > if such tailings can take care of the need for phosphate or calcium or > sulphur in the soil. And are tailings different from lime. I hope > someone can reply with good info. It might save me and others a lot of > money on fertilizer. And does anyone know how to get the David Yarrow > article? Here's the info I got before: > > >You might want to contact a gravel pit in your area. According to a > report by > >David Yarrow in the Summer '98 issue of "Organic Farms, Folks & Foods" > put out > >by NOFA-NY, "talings" can often be had for just the cost of trucking > and do > >much the same job of remineralizing and refreshing soil. > > > >The price is certainly right -- at least until quarry owners figure out > that > >somebody wants their former waste by-product! > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 2 08:33:52 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA10595 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA09212 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13150; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:09:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13104 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:09:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA24613 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:08:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma1-25.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.57) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024606; Wed Sep 2 07:08:21 1998 Message-Id: <000c01bdd66a$5541e060$39a8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:08:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: Subject: Spam? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 500 Marcell wrote: I find this spam unconscienable! I am susbscribed to this listserve for information on community supported agriculture, and do not wish to receive unsolicited advertising from the ISP that hosts the listserve. I'd like to know how other subscribers feel. If you are as outraged by this action, I suggest you reply to this spam with a complaint, and cc [abuse@prairienet.org]. Any further unsolicited commercial e-mail from Prairienet will cause me to immediately unsubscribe to this otherwise useful and appreciated listserve. Marcello Aurelio Lanfranchi Well since he asked no I'm not outraged. I thought it a bit strange, but since it came from prairienet I thought it was ok. Ok because we use this list for FREE. Some hardworking people work behind the scenes maintaining all these list that we enjoy, and electricity and computers aren't free. And the product which they were offering might be useful to someone. I frankly only read half of it thought no thanks and deleted it and completely forgot about it until Marcello's note. Quite frankly I am more worried about selling my surplus CSA produce (or have it rot before I can pick and freeze it) than I am about what goes on on the lists I subscribe to. Well good luck to everyone in your harvest, Beth From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 2 16:45:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA23839 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA05235 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20231; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20183 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:29:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LOSPa12640 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:28:05 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Spam? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 501 I was confused but certainly not outraged. Took me a little while to figger out that this had nothing to do with CSAs or organic farming, is all. But then it's harvest season and I'm moving in two new housemates who have some odd hours -- the livestock guardian dog isn't sleeping, so neither is anybody else. Sleep deprivation tends to make me kinda stoopid so I just didn't worry about it. And I sorta find lots of other things in the world for expending outrage energy upon. Gotta dole that stuff out, y'know! Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 2 18:49:31 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA25999 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA06930 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29422; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [128.174.90.198] (mac198.ed.uiuc.edu [128.174.90.198]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29353 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:34:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:34:19 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA-L FAQ Update, SPAM & Prairienet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: jbarclay@mail.prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 502 This is to clear up the recent dialog over SPAM, or unrelated posting on the CSA-L list. First, happy harvest to those in thick of harvest season. Despite some SPAM, this is a really well behaved and easy to maintain list and I'd like to thank everyone for that. Thanks also go to Sarah Milstein (New York) for co-moderating CSA-L and Communications for a Sustainable Future (Colorado) for archiving the list on their web pages at http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ Second, discussions about SPAM (unrelated or commercial messages) are unwelcome and will not be tolerated on the CSA-L list. Responses about SPAM have been more frequent than the SPAM which initiates the "discusssion". If SPAM gets out of control, I can switch the list to a moderated one in which messages are approved before being distributed to the entire list. I will put this off as long as possible as this adds a burden on the list moderator and adds a time delay to list postings. In the mean time, please don't post responses about SPAM. Third, Prairienet is a friend of CSA-L and supports this list. The recent e-mails from Prairienet may not have been useful to all CSA-L readers, but certainly belonged on the list. As Prairienet users, we need to be informed about such developments. If two or three Prairienet e-mails in 2 years is too much, this may not be the list for you. Third, I added these points to the FAQ below (the other 12 points are beneath the new ones). I try to post the FAQ every month or two as new subscribers or list behavior dictates. Happy Harvest, John Barclay, CSA-L co-moderator ******************************************************* 13. What is Prairienet? Prairienet is a member and donation supported community information network for Champaign-Urbana and the surrounding East-Central Illinois region, and host to over 500 community organizations and small businesses. It the non profit organization that hosts the CSA-L email list. If you would like to send donations, please make checks out to UIF-Prairienet and send them to: Prairienet, c/o UI Foundation, P.O. Box 3429, Champaign, IL 61826 ******************************************************* 14. CSA-L and Commercial E-mails and Spam... >From time to time, unwanted commercial or unrelated e-mail will be posted to CSA-L. This is often known as SPAM. This is difficult to stop and complaints should be filed with appropriate bodies. DO NOT SEND COMPLAINTS TO THE LIST! CSA-L gets more postings about SPAM than SPAM itself. If the levels of SPAM are unnacceptable, please unsubscribe and view the list over the web archive. ******************************************************* 15. Why can't I post? Why was I deleted? Periodically people are deleted from the list because their e-mail is bouncing. Also users who post unrelated topics are removed from the list or, allowed to read the list, but not post. --------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions for CSA-L Networking List (available at http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html) 1. What is CSA-L? 2. What is Community Supported Agriculture? 3. How do I subscribe to CSA-L? 4. How do I unsubscribe to CSA-L? 5. What is appropriate to post to CSA-L? 6. How do I post to CSA-L? 7. Who subscribes to CSA-L? 8. Where can I find archives of CSA-L? 9. How can I find a CSA where I live? 10. What are some useful CSA organizations? 11. What are some good books, articles, and videos of CSA? 12. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web? 13. Why can't I post? Why was I deleted? 14. What is Prairienet? 15. CSA-L and Commercial E-mails and Spam... ******************************************************* 1. WHAT IS CSA-L? The e-mail list "CSA-L@prairienet.org" is for networking on Community Supported Agriculture. We hope to see discussions on goals, distribution styles, outreach tools, member retention, educational work, connections with non-CSA organizations, etc. We also would like to see the exchange of newsletter articles and information about resources on CSA such as networking organizations, books, journals, videos, audio tapes from conferences, speaker tours of interest to CSAs, etc. In short, we would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of as many CSA's as possible to help the CSA movement grow and strengthen! The listowners are John Barclay (jbarclay@prairienet.org) of Prairieland CSA in Champaign, Illinois and Sarah Milstein (milstein@pipeline.com) of Just Food in New York, New York. ******************************************************* 2. What is Community Supported Agricutlure Community Supported Agriculture is a partnership between farmers and consumers. In CSA, consumers buy products directly from the farm, and pay for them in advance. Farmers do their best to produce sufficient quantity and quality of fresh, nutritious food for their customers' needs and palates. In some CSAs, people pay in advance to support a farm for a season. In return, these 'shareholders' or 'sharers' receive a share of whatever the farm has ready to harvest each week. In other CSAs, also called subscription farms, people subscribe to a share of a given value, prepaying monthly or quarterly. Although the size of subscription shares don't change throughout the year, the content varies with the season. CSA gives non-farmers a chance to get more involved in producing and distributing their own food. Farms sponsor tours, workdays, and even 'workshares' to bring shareholders out to the farm. CSAs also often ask shareholders to help deliver shares, sponsor drop-off sites, manage shareholder lists, write newsletters, and more ******************************************************* 3. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname Lastname" in the message. Put your first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname and omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. ******************************************************* 4. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L? Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "unsubscribe CSA-L" in the message. Omit the quotes. You may leave the subject line blank. If this doesn't work, send an e-mail to jbarclay@prairienet.org and I will unsubscribe you. ******************************************************* 5. WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO POST TO CSA-L? All messages should meet the following criteria: -> Messages should be related to the purpose of the list. -> Messages should have a clear subject heading. -> Messages between individuals should not go to the entire list unless the information in them may be of interest to the list. -> Messages should include a good signature which includes your name, any organization that you represent, and where you are located geographically. -> Questions that are answered in the Frequently Asked Questions Postings (FAQs) should be avoided. These guidelines are to improve the quality and effectiveness of the list as a networking tool. As the number of subscribers to the list grows, the success of the list will depend on the quality of our postings. ******************************************************* 6. HOW DO I POST TO CSA-L? To post a message to the whole list, send it to CSA-L@prairienet.org In order to post to CSA-L, you must be subscribed to the list and send the message from the account name that you are subscribed on. In other words, If you have several e-mail accounts or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you subscribed from. ******************************************************* 7. WHO SUBSCRIBES TO CSA-L? Over 200 farmers, CSA members, students studying CSA, and other interested parties from around the world. To get a list of the subscribers send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "recipients CSA-L" in the body and a current list will be sent to you. Some subscriber biographies are available on the CSA-L web page. ******************************************************* 8. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA-L? On the world wide web at: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ ******************************************************* 9. HOW CAN I FIND A CSA WHERE I LIVE? CSANA has an online listing of CSAs at: http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA Call the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association toll-free CSA/BDA Consumer Hot Line (1-800-516-7797) to request a free list of the CSA/BDA farms and/or gardens in your state. CSA West is a resource for finding CSAs on the west coast of the U.S., especially California. (408/459-3964). They have an online listing of CSAs at: ******************************************************* 10. WHAT ARE SOME USEFUL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL RESOURCE ORGANIZATIONS ON CSA? CSA OF NORTH AMERICA (CSANA), founded by the recently deceased Robyn Van En, will be one of the lead organizations in the Northeast CSA Conference, scheduled for January 1998. Tel: 413.528.4374. http://www.umass.edu./umext/CSA THE BIODYNAMIC FARMING AND GARDENING ASSOCIATION, Inc. is a major promoter of CSA in North America, especially in the Northeast. Located in Kimberton, PA, the Association publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, sponsors a CSA conference every winter and maintains a large and remarkably comprehensive database of established CSAs in North America. On request, the Association will provide a list of CSAs for any given area. They also sell Louise's Leaves. They can be reached at 1.800.516.7797 or PO Box 550, Kimberton, PA 19442. http://www.biodynamics.com/. EQUITY TRUST, INC. is a community development organization that has created a revolving-loan fund for CSAs to acquire and develop agricultural land with appropriate conservation easements and/or other tenure arrangements that serve both farmers and communities. Their Fund for Conservation and Community Supported Agriculture allows investors to make unusually safe, flexible financial investments that support progressive social change. Equity Trust also provides technical assistance and advises CSAs on lend tenure issues. Equity Trust can be reached at 539 Beach Pond Road, Voluntown, CT 06384. Tel: 860.376.6174. JUST FOOD. Just Food is building connections between urban communities and regional small farms. During the 1996-97 season, we were instrumental in enabling six new CSAs to begin delivery in New York City. For the 1997-98 season, Just Food will be focusing on low-income residents' access to CSA. We are not a core group, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU, AND WE CAN HELP YOUR CSA TAKE ROOT AND GROW IN THE CITY. Contact Sarah Milstein or Kathy Lawrence, at any point & with any questions: 290 Riverside Drive, #15D, New York, NY 10025-5287; Tel: 212/666.2168; Fax: 212.531.4849; Email: milstein@pipeline.com CSA WEST. CSA West was founded to expand the CSA movement by offering regional information to farmers, prospective and current CSA members, the media, student/interns, and related non-profit organizations. CSA projects are very much the product of a grassroots movement, where farmers and other CSA organizers swap information among themselves. We strive to expand this exchange of new ideas, tried-and-true practices, and helpful tips on running CSAs among new, old, and potential participants in the western United States. csawest@caff.org. 916-756-8518, extension 27; fax: 916-756-7857 US mail: CAFF, PO Box 363, Davis, CA 95617. http://www.caff.org/caff/programs/ MADISON AREA CSA COALITION (MACSAC) maintains an updated directory of CSA farms serving the Madison, WI area and sponsor several CSA-related events each year, including a CSA Farm Fair in March, farm tours during the summer, and conferences and grower workshops in the fall and winter. We also have ongoing regular meetings which are open to the public. Karen Foley-Stauss c/o Wisconsin Rural Development Center, 125 Brookwood Dr., Mt. Horeb, WI 53572, 608/437-5971. ******************************************************* 11. WHAT ARE SOME GOOD BOOKS, ARTICLES, AND VIDEOS OF CSA? FARMS OF TOMORROW: COMMUNITY SUPPORTED FARMS, FARM SUPPORTED COMMUNITIES, by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden. Although published in 1990 -- only five years into the CSA movement in this country -- the book is still relevant today. With a section on the troubled relationship between modern agriculture, environment, people and food, plus profiles of seven CSAs that are beginning to address these problems, it's a very readable and useful work. Farms of Tomorrow is available from the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association (see above). A new version will be published later this year. COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE. . . MAKING THE CONNECTION. A 1995 HANDBOOK FOR PRODUCERS. Presented by University of California Cooperative Extension Placer County and Small Farm Center, UC Davis. 198 pages ** binder format. MAKING THE CONNECTION pulls together the experience of many innovative projects. While describing the diversity of CSA, this handbook for producers also addresses common questions and concerns including: What is CSA?, Developing a CSA, Finding and keeping members, Production for CSA, Managing the shares. $25. Contact UC Cooperative Extension at 916-889-7385 for ordering information or on the CSA-L web page or e-mail ceplacer@ucdavis.edu. THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL FOOD GUIDE, published by cornell coop extension, has excellent information and tips On eating local, seasonal produce. To order, call 607.255.2080. GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about CSA farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are $27/year. Gfm, fairplain publications, P.O. box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046; Tel/fax: 913.841.2559. ******************************************************* 12. What are some CSA Resources on the World Wide Web? Links to all the web sites I can find related to CSAs can be found at: http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L.html ******************************************************* From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 2 19:16:13 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA26421 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA11915 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00690; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu (oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu [164.116.34.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00658 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 164.116.34.101 (rport3.onysd.wednet.edu [164.116.34.101] (may be forged)) by oemsunix.onysd.wednet.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08895 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <35EDCD51.4095@onysd.wednet.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:57:23 -0700 Reply-To: krains@onysd.wednet.edu Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Karen Rains To: Community Supported Agriculture Subject: can CSA provide a living? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 503 I am wondering... for those of you already in production and actually working your farms, can you make a reasonable living at this? I went to the library and checked out a book on small scale farming (it was negative) and made it sound like there was no way a person could find ANY profit in this business. To be honest, my goal is to pay my property pmts and taxes and pay the bills generated by farming. Is this an unreasonable expectation or are those of you out there able to achieve this? Please let me know. Thank you. -- Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu Board of Directors Onalaska School District #300 D E D I C A T E D TO S U C C E S S http://www.onysd.wednet.edu/board/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 08:13:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA05570 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA22734 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA00569; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:59:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00530 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA21080; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma1-21.ix.netcom.com(205.184.168.53) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021011; Thu Sep 3 06:57:36 1998 Message-Id: <000e01bdd732$022bbf40$35a8b8cd@guldann.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:55:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Dan Hook" Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Dan Hook" To: , "Community Supported Agriculture" Subject: Re: can CSA provide a living? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 504 Well of course all business have the potential to make a profit even farming. But any new small business sucks up a bunch of money and mucho bunches of time at first (not just farming). We started our CSA this year we got 10 members. We felt that was a good start, get our feet wet so to speak, growing large amounts of veggies(compared with a hobby garden), and dealing with customers. We already know a few things we feel were success and a few things we will do differently. A few questions to ponder: Do you own some land, do you live there? Do you have previous knowledge of growing crops? What equipment do you have? What will you need to purchase? Do you have a small to medium chunk of money for seeds, etc.? Do you presently have a job? I'd keep it until the farm shows a profit or is close enough to success that quitting your job will bring it to profitability. Any other suggestions from the list? Good luck Beth -----Original Message----- From: Karen Rains To: Community Supported Agriculture Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:02 PM Subject: can CSA provide a living? >I am wondering... >for those of you already in production and actually working your farms, >can you make a reasonable living at this? >I went to the library and checked out a book on small scale farming (it >was negative) and made it sound like there was no way a person could >find ANY profit in this business. >To be honest, my goal is to pay my property pmts and taxes and pay the >bills generated by farming. Is this an unreasonable expectation or are >those of you out there able to achieve this? >Please let me know. >Thank you. >-- > Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu >Board of Directors Onalaska School District #300 > D E D I C A T E D TO S U C C E S S > http://www.onysd.wednet.edu/board/ > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 08:53:57 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA05975 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA28766 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02056; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:38:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from staff1.cso.uiuc.edu (root@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.59]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02021 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:38:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ies62.ies.uiuc.edu (murphysboro-14.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.26.58]) by staff1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA22545 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980903074235.006df1c0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:42:35 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Anna M Barnes To: csa-l@prairienet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ambarnes@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 505 Thank God/god. I was hoping that we could all get back to business. Speaking of which, is anyone out there looking for work on a Central Illinois CSA farm? We are in need of not only farm work but design and management of a sustainable distribution system. Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:34:19 -0600 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org X-PH: V4.4a@mx4.cso.uiuc.edu From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: CSA-L FAQ Update, SPAM & Prairienet X-Sender: jbarclay@mail.prairienet.org This is to clear up the recent dialog over SPAM, or unrelated posting on the CSA-L list. First, happy harvest to those in thick of harvest season. Despite some SPAM, this is a really well behaved and easy to maintain list and I'd like to thank everyone for that. Thanks also go to Sarah Milstein (New York) for co-moderating CSA-L and Communications for a Sustainable Future (Colorado) for archiving the list on their web pages at http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/csa/ Second, discussions about SPAM (unrelated or commercial messages) are unwelcome and will not be tolerated on the CSA-L list. Responses about SPAM have been more frequent than the SPAM which initiates the "discusssion". If SPAM gets out of control, I can switch the list to a moderated one in which messages are approved before being distributed to the entire list. I will put this off as long as possible as this adds a burden on the list moderator and adds a time delay to list postings. In the mean time, please don't post responses about SPAM. Third, Prairienet is a friend of CSA-L and supports this list. The recent e-mails from Prairienet may not have been useful to all CSA-L readers, but certainly belonged on the list. As Prairienet users, we need to be informed about such developments. If two or three Prairienet e-mails in 2 years is too much, this may not be the list for you. Third, I added these points to the FAQ below (the other 12 points are beneath the new ones). I try to post the FAQ every month or two as new subscribers or list behavior dictates. Happy Harvest, John Barclay, CSA-L co-moderator From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 09:53:27 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA07067 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA10462 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06213; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (gwgate.lib.iastate.edu [129.186.11.21]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06175 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Parks_Library-Message_Server by gwgate.lib.iastate.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:36:28 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jeff Hall" To: guldann@ix.netcom.com, krains@onysd.wednet.edu, CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: can CSA provide a living? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by coneflower.prairienet.org id IAA06176 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 506 I think most CSA's are a second income-type deal. Food prices are held artificially low (oil defense budget, highway subsidy, water subsidy, child and exploited labor, and so on and so on), so I still feel we're trying to build the alternative for when that system collapses (not many calories in money). But in the short run, the vegetable growers I know rank financial compensation on the negative side, against the many positives that keep them doing it. There are larger farms that are closer to reasonable (Harmony Valley, Roxbury...), but its a growing/learning process to get there, it seems. Jeff Hall, Ames IA -----Original Message----- From: Karen Rains To: Community Supported Agriculture Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:02 PM Subject: can CSA provide a living? >I am wondering... >for those of you already in production and actually working your farms, >can you make a reasonable living at this? >I went to the library and checked out a book on small scale farming (it >was negative) and made it sound like there was no way a person could >find ANY profit in this business. >To be honest, my goal is to pay my property pmts and taxes and pay the >bills generated by farming. Is this an unreasonable expectation or are >those of you out there able to achieve this? >Please let me know. >Thank you. >-- > Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu >Board of Directors Onalaska School District #300 > D E D I C A T E D TO S U C C E S S > http://www.onysd.wednet.edu/board/ > From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 13:31:52 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA12909 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA00465 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21453; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:17:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.iatp.org (iatp-2.InnovSoftD.com [208.141.36.66]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21399 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:16:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from billbert.iatp.org ([208.141.36.91]) by mail.iatp.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id 356 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980903121753.00a6f430@iatp.org> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:17:53 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Bill Vorley" To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Limited Space Available on European Tours and Symposium! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bvorley@iatp.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 507 ANNOUNCEMENT Limited space is still available for participation in an upcoming European tour/symposium program, "Marketing Sustainable Agriculture." During a time of increased crises in agriculture, when farm profits don't meet production costs and the bottom line, many groups have chosen new and alternative marketing strategies to create efficient and profitable food production systems. Farmers and consumers are addressing and incorporating social and environmental values through marketing based on regional appeal, communicating social values in the marketplace, and assuring environmental quality. Program participants will tour marketing initiatives, choosing one of six European countries (Denmark, the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, or Switzerland). The event will culminate in a two-day symposium in the Netherlands, where participants will share insights and experiences and build and expand the foundations for an international active network of marketing researchers and practitioners. Participant costs are being partially subsidized by the German Marshall Fund, the Foundation for the Progress of Humanity, and the Deep Ecology Foundation. Participants will be expected to pay $1000 (plus travel costs to/from the Netherlands). European participants are especially encouraged to apply. For detailed information about tour itineraries and the symposium, see the Eurotour world wide web site at http://www.iatp.org/eurotour . This venture is sponsored by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (U.S.) the Centre for Agriculture and Environment (the Netherlands) and the International Institute for Environment & Development (England), in collaboration with the Center for Sustainable Systems, Mothers & Others for a Livable Planet, the Food Alliance, RAFI-USA, and Sunflower Strategies, among others. For more information, contact: Bill Vorley, IATP 2105 First Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55404, USA Tel: (+1) 612-870-3436 email: bvorley@iatp.org Interested participants should contact IATP as soon as possible to secure the most affordable airline prices. Deadline for application to the program is September 15. From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 14:11:01 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA13591 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA09562 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24126; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24087 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:55:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SCook21809@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LVAEa04369 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <82570c6f.35eed80f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:55:27 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: SCook21809@aol.com To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: Re: can CSA provide a living? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 508 Hi Karen, We are in the third year of our CSA operation and have finally reached a point where I can leave my winter job as an advanced practice nurse clinician. We consider our organic food production as genuine health care reform. We grow produce and flowers for 55 subscribers on raised beds on an acre and a half. We started with 20 subscribers and increased yearly as our efficiency improved. The CSA is not enough to pay the financial obligations of owning land and operating a farm. This year we started producing herbal soaps and skin creams as an added value product from our herb beds. Wow! Did that move liberate us from the golden hand cuffs of treating illnesses as nurses so we can work to prevent them as organic farmers. We could not give away the fresh and dried herbs we grew the first two years. I frequently challenged my partner about the lack of income generated by the herb garden space. We just needed to find the most profitable means to market our herbs. Our operation is as vertically integrated as any agribusiness. I sell organic chicken feed as a local distributor. Because there were no local distributors when I needed organic feed for my layers. I free range the chickens in portable chicken tractors as part of my integrated pest management program (they love slugs, asperagus beatles, etc.). They also take down and turn in crop residues while distributing excellent phosphorus and nitrogen fertilizer. Their byproducts are eggs and meat. Most of our soil inputs are recycled wastes from the community where we live. Coffee grounds, grass clippings, stable bedding, etc. These inputs are a disposal problem for the community. But, there are restrictions on what materials we will accept. We accept stable bedding only from stables that use straw instead of wood chips. Straw composts much faster and better than wood chips. People who pay the extra money for straw don't have to pay to get rid of their waste. Those who try and save a little money on wood chips spend five times as much in trucking and dumping charges. When we grew to our current production level, we offered two apprenticeships in order to teach others how to become urban farmers while receiving some much needed labor. each apprentice commits to working a four hour day once a week for 25 weeks. In return, the apprentice receives a great education and a CSA subscription. We found that an apprenticeship could stear us away from labor laws and insurance liabilities. These are just highlights of an integrated sustainable urban CSA. Its possible to make a living from a CSA. We earn about 20% of what we made as health care professionals. But our quality of life as improved expotencially. By the way, we started out by researching our business plans and asking our county extension office and conservation district agents for input. We only received put downs from them. Try not to be too discouraged by their warnings. No one will try to discourage you from living your dreams more than those who have abandoned theirs. Good luck, Art Biggert Ocean Sky Farm Bainbridge Island, WA >I am wondering... >for those of you already in production and actually working your farms, >can you make a reasonable living at this? >I went to the library and checked out a book on small scale farming (it >was negative) and made it sound like there was no way a person could >find ANY profit in this business. >To be honest, my goal is to pay my property pmts and taxes and pay the >bills generated by farming. Is this an unreasonable expectation or are >those of you out there able to achieve this? >Please let me know. >Thank you. >-- > Karen A. Rains krains@onysd.wednet.edu >> From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Thu Sep 3 18:43:29 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA24929 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA18368 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15107; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15071 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:28:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DGreen47@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LBHEa28987 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:28:03 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DGreen47@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: can CSA provide a living? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 509 Here lies the base of the concept of CSA versus conventional farming. In a "perfect" CSA, the members support the farm (and farmer) by agreeing to cover the operational expenses -- including, ideally, repayment of the farmer's investments in land, equipment, etc. And, of course, the farmer's and other employees' time. This arrangement is not always the case. I'd love to hear from somebody who's actually got a group supporting them and their farm in bad years as well as good ones. It comes down to each farmer deciding what he or she wants and needs, stating that decision clearly, and finding a way to market it. For instance, I make my living doing other things; I like my career and don't want to change it. I also like the idea of community farming and happen to own a nice piece of land, so at my CSA I donate the use of the land and my time as administrator/supervising farmer. If people fail to show up as agreed to haul water, pull weeds, etc., I don't reach into my pocket to pay for help and I don't go out and work by flashlight by myself. And they don't get a crop unless it rains and the weeds die. More than one wag has suggested that I should rename the place "Tough Love Farm". Works for me, might not work for somebody else. Part of the beauty of CSA is that it can be as flexible as each practitioner desires. I'm trying something new this year myself -- back to basics, either get a committed core group by January or just put the land back to timothy for my goats. Mixed-bag farms where the CSA is only part of the operation also can work, and very well. What I'm trying to say is that it might take some experimentation to find the exact combination that works for each one of us. I encourage people not to give up until they've checked every possibility. Dori Green Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living Corning, NY From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 4 01:36:09 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA29143 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA21279 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09165; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:21:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08409 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [208.254.1.4] (1Cust4.tnt4.krk1.da.uu.net [208.254.1.4]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03295 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809040508.WAA03295@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 98 21:15:52 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Martin Koenig To: "CSA" Subject: CSA handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 510 I've just subscribed to the list and would like to introduce myself before listing the information about the handbook. My name is Margaret Hoeffel and I live in the Vashon Cohousing community (formed in 1989) on Vashon Island in Puget Sound. We are an almost full (1 share left to sell) community of 18 households clustered on a little less than 4 acres of land. We have almost 12 acres total but the remaining land is wetlands. There is a 20 acre piece adjoining our property-a mixture of wetlands, forest and open fields-that is being purchased by a non-profit group on the island for a 19-unit low income housing project. The housing will be clustered on 1/3 of the property with the remaining acreage left in open space. The entire piece will be a community land trust. I am negotiating with the board of the non-profit to create a 2-acre community supported farm. There is the potential for many more wonderful things happening there like wetlands resoration and walking trails (we are very close to the TOWN of Vashon) and community p-patches and we are forming a steering committee to oversee the use of the entire site. I have a verbal agreement for the farm but have yet to work out the details of a long term lease. (they are not comfortable with a conservation easement at this point). There is already a very successful, small (35 members) CSA on the island with a couple of even smaller ones and a couple more that will be starting up next year. Bob and Bonnie Gregson of Island Meadow Farm have written a handbook that might be of interest to those starting out or wondering if you can make a living doing a CSA. (They actually have a combination CSA and self-serve stand operation.) Here's how to get a copy: For a copy of: Rebirth of the Small Family Farm: A Handbook for Starting a Successful Organic Farm Based on the CSA Concept, send $9.95 to: IMF, Box 2542, Vashon, WA 98070 Bob and Bonnie are real activists in this area (Bob is on the King County Ag Commission) and are starting to have classes on their farm to teach people how to do what they do. I'm trying to convince them to get a computer! I'm looking forward to being a part of this virtual group. Margaret Hoeffel, 10421 SW Bank Road #18, Vashon, WA 98070 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 4 09:37:42 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA04610 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA08245 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23875; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:23:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23847 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:23:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809041323.IAA23847@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:18 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: Re: can CSA provide a living? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 511 I've skimmed (who can READ this time of the year) the thread on this. My thinking is well, of course it can provide a living. But there are more than a few cautionary statements to add. What kind of living, for example. Speaking for our own micro-farm and our own situation...the CSA provides a very modest (we think of it as low impact) living on 1/2 acre. But we have zero debt and few needs. With no core group as such and no really bad seasons in our 5 years (though some excessive heat, cold, dry times on occasion) we feel that our most loyal members would stay with us after a tough season. Partly because we have become a community. Partly because after some difficult parts of seasons we have a track record. Partly because we have a naive belief in people's good nature... There are many examples of larger farms which are all CSA or various combinations of CSA and market/wholesale/specialty operations which are seemingly working out well. The family farm, in examples we have heard, is saved. Granting that CSA is much more than another clever marketing scheme, it is still a way to generate an income that is much less subject to the whims of the regular farm economy. Go for it! Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm (and "The Community Farm" newsletter) ---------- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 4 09:53:29 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA04782 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA11360 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25174; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:39:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from donald.BrandonU.CA (donald.BrandonU.CA [142.13.16.200]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25140 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:39:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BrandonU.CA by BrandonU.CA (PMDF V5.1-10 #29729) id <01J1EHYSTUM88Y5DY2@BrandonU.CA> for CSA-L@prairienet.org; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:39:20 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 08:39:20 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: kaktins@BrandonU.CA To: CSA-L@prairienet.org Subject: CSA Survey results MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Envelope-to: CSA-L@prairienet.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 512 During 1996 and 1997, as part of my Masters Thesis, I conducted surveys of CSAs in Canada and the United States. I have just about synthized this material into a compact e-mail message and would ask those of you who participated and anyone who is interested to forward your email addresses to me and I will forward the results to you. I apologize for the delay but I had not been anticipating ending up in a PhD program immediately after my Masters and life has been an absolute whirl-wind for the past year. As well, if anyone knows of a publication that services CSAs, I would appreciate your advice for publication of the results to reach more participants in CSAs. Looking forward to your response, Sylvia-Linda Kaktins From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Fri Sep 4 12:36:06 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA09850 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA17360 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07165; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:21:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07129 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:21:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [153.37.255.111] (1Cust111.tnt3.krk1.da.uu.net [153.37.255.111]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14884 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809041621.JAA14884@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 08:28:17 -0800 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Martin Koenig To: "CSA" Subject: The cost of leasing land Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 513 I would like to hear from people who lease land for a CSA on the terms/cost of the lease. I am about to negotiate a 15-20 year lease with a community land trust for a two-acre community farm. Is the cost based on area land prices?, a percentage of gross income?, etc. I will be growing a succession of cover crops next year to improve the soil and irradicate perennial grasses and probably won't generate any income until 2000, won't realize a profit until the following year or two. Where do I begin? I know people who lease land here on the island to board horses but I will be providing a community service on my two acres and improving the soil. Can I figure that into the cost fo leasing the land? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Margaret Hoeffel, Vashon Island, WA From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 01:50:14 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA10772 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA22480 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25881; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:35:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24352 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:09:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21612; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: Martin Koenig Cc: CSA Subject: Re: The cost of leasing land In-Reply-To: <199809041621.JAA14884@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 514 I think Andy Lee is right here that as little money as you can pay for the land the better off you will be. I live in the inner city and was very lucky to hook up with folks on a large suburban tract of land (approximately 2 acres). They let me grow cut flowers on 1/2 acre. In exchange they get lots of flowers, beautiful flower beds to admire, plants of all sorts, and many vegetables. I pay for the water I use. (They also get added pollinators for their fruit trees and a lot more wildlife and entertainment for their kids :-) I do maintain the garden and the piles of things a little bit more neatly than I do at home since they are in their front yard. Overall (this is only our second year) I think we're all happy and it's a good learning experience though sometimes I wish I lived where I grew so (a) I could camp out if I wanted and (b) I could extend the season a bit with some cloches...But, I feel absolutely lucky to have met these folks and think it is a good way for people, like me with no money and no land to do some growing. Ag land is leased by the acre pretty cheap compared to what the cost is for "prime development land" (hate those words). Most folks in prime development land would consider ag rates a give a way anyways...But, even ag rates figure into your total cost and I don't think anyone thinks you can make much money farming so.... I really do think that a well-run sustainable garden of any sort that doesn't involve destroying habitat (my flowers are where lawn once, and the increase in critter life has been out of sight) is actually an improvement to someone's land and so they shouldn't be charging you much if anything, but then I don't think we should actually be owning land either :-) eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 01:51:41 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA10779 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA22693 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25958; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:37:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24881 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21669; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: Martin Koenig Cc: CSA Subject: Re: The cost of leasing land In-Reply-To: <199809041621.JAA14884@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 515 Oh I forgot to add that I have no formal lease arrangement. It's all verbal to which some people will undoubtedly shudder. I guess a written agreement can be nicer for some things but often don't protect you as much as you think. OTOH, I think the major investment I've made is in my learning curve which I will take with me when I leave. My other investment has been to improve the soil and diversity of plant life which in turn increasese insect/critter life, but that is something the benefits of which I do not care to measure in money nor do they accrue to individual humans. That is, if I could no longer garden there my regret would not be to leave behind such wonderful soil and plants, rather, i'd be saddened only if the garden was lost to a monoculture of something like lawn.... OTOH, if I felt like I were putting "improvements" that were something other than the riches and rights of nature (don't know what that would be off the top of my head...an expensive pump or fencing or?) I might be more inclined to go for a serious contract/lease. more 2 cents, eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 10:58:05 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA14325 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id KAA14860 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07324; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:44:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07279 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:43:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DRush35007@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LMKKa10123 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5e1553e1.35f3f0f8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:43:04 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: DRush35007@aol.com To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Request for some practical tips. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 516 I have just moved into a house sitting on 1/2 acre in Oklahoma City. I am taking a class called Master Gardener at the local County Extension. This year is my learning year for crop production. When I think I am ready, I will look at buying or leasing some land out of town, and hopefully set up a CSA. Any way I hope it is ok to ask for a little practical advice on this board. If not please let me know. I am planning to start with a section of the garden about 4,000 square feet. The soil is almost pure sand, and it is currently covered with bermuda grass. At the Extension they are telling me to clear it with Round Up, ready for fortifying and planting in the spring. I am assuming round up is toxic, and not desireable (I want to learn organic way). I suspect a cover crop, or sheet mulch may be better, but have no experience, so would love to hear some alternative suggestions. Along those lines, I am not sure if I should get a rototiller or not. I dont know what is a feasible area to think in terms of spading. Again any thougts would be helpfull. Finally, any suggestions for a fall/winter vegetable crop. It is currently very hot, and very dry here, but the first frost may come late October. Thanks from hot and sunny Oklahoma City. If any one on the list is located in my neighborhood, please let me know, I am anxious to network. Dave From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 17:51:32 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA19273 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA01672 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24977; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:37:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24945 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:37:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from radiks.net (sr.radiks.net [205.138.126.6]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23381; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:35:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jwoods@localhost) by radiks.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07578; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:36:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:36:26 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Jay Woods To: DRush35007@aol.com Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Request for some practical tips. In-Reply-To: <5e1553e1.35f3f0f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jwoods@radiks.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 517 The easy answer is Round Up but you will need to garden for three years before the produce can be thought of as organic. Don't rototill. You will be fighting weeds for a long time. What I did when I needed to start with a weedy patch was plant winter rye in the fall and white clover in the spring. I wasn't in a hurry to get started with annuals. The perennials were being planted first. The vegetables were dug-bed planted after two years of this. All the winter rye cuttings, tree prunings, and big weeds which were hand pulled were composted and used in the dug beds. The rye, clover rotation stopped most of the weeds and grasses in their tracks. ---Jay On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 DRush35007@aol.com wrote: > I have just moved into a house sitting on 1/2 acre in Oklahoma City. I am > taking a class called Master Gardener at the local County Extension. This > year is my learning year for crop production. When I think I am ready, I will > look at buying or leasing some land out of town, and hopefully set up a CSA. > Any way I hope it is ok to ask for a little practical advice on this board. > If not please let me know. I am planning to start with a section of the > garden about 4,000 square feet. The soil is almost pure sand, and it is > currently covered with bermuda grass. At the Extension they are telling me to > clear it with Round Up, ready for fortifying and planting in the spring. I am > assuming round up is toxic, and not desireable (I want to learn organic way). > I suspect a cover crop, or sheet mulch may be better, but have no experience, > so would love to hear some alternative suggestions. Along those lines, I am > not sure if I should get a rototiller or not. I dont know what is a feasible > area to think in terms of spading. Again any thougts would be helpfull. > Finally, any suggestions for a fall/winter vegetable crop. It is currently > very hot, and very dry here, but the first frost may come late October. > > Thanks from hot and sunny Oklahoma City. If any one on the list is located in > my neighborhood, please let me know, I am anxious to network. > > Dave > From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Mon Sep 7 18:41:37 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA19816 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 59111 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <222318-25240>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:27:22 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@oznet14.ozemail.com.au (port 4276 [203.2.192.120]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <222275-25241>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:27:06 -0400 Received: from passion (slwol1p40.ozemail.com.au [203.7.182.56]) by oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03817; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:27:21 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <000e01bddaaf$2efce6e0$69b607cb@passion> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:30:57 +1000 Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "April Sampson-Kelly" To: , "permaculture@#envirolink. org" , "permaculture@listserv. oit. unc. edu" , "Jay Woods" Subject: RE: Request for some practical tips. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDDB03.00A8F6E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 518 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDDB03.00A8F6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The pressure to use something instant is funding. people on the land in debt to the bank have to use something quick and absolute, like roundup which has a surfactant (hopefully only in older stock) that removes the skin of amphibians!. Some people use a very clever method of planting and harvesting that works with the weeds *(sure there may be a reduced harvest quanitity per acre, but the soil less is less and the water retention and organic matter building up in the soil fantastically greater) the method means ripping the soil with a deep blade -like a yeomans plough then planting directly in the weedy soil with a tall crop, taller than the weeds at harvest time. such as corn/maize, wheat, sorghum, etc then harvest HIGH not low on the ground, this leaves the weeds intact. *This method was used with great success by Robyn Tredwell, (Rural Woman of the Year Australia '96) She doesn’t worry about contamination of seed as she has a seed sorting machine and uses any unwanted seed for fragile and exposed areas on her cattle station . She has begun selling seed of native grasses and pasture species to other farmers. In Western Australia, Ron Watkins, a successful pastorlist and broadacre farmer, uses an organic method too. He allows the weeds to grow to protect the soil before he plants a crop, then he chips the weeds lightly to add them to the soil as green manure. Into the dying weeds he plants the crop. NEXT STEP: Have you considered perrenial species such as pigeon pea which is harvested for daal? April _____________________________________ Leisure Coast Permaculture Visions International Permaculture Teaching Project specialising in distance learning. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv ______________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org [mailto:owner-csa-l@prairienet.org]On > Behalf Of Jay Woods > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 1998 7:36 > To: DRush35007@aol.com > Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org > Subject: Re: Request for some practical tips. > > > The easy answer is Round Up but you will need to garden for three years > before the produce can be thought of as organic. > > Don't rototill. You will be fighting weeds for a long time. What I did > when I needed to start with a weedy patch was plant winter rye in the fall > and white clover in the spring. I wasn't in a hurry to get started with > annuals. The perennials were being planted first. > > The vegetables were dug-bed planted after two years of this. All the > winter rye cuttings, tree prunings, and big weeds which were hand pulled > were composted and used in the dug beds. The rye, clover rotation stopped > most of the weeds and grasses in their tracks. > > ---Jay > > On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 DRush35007@aol.com wrote: > > > I have just moved into a house sitting on 1/2 acre in Oklahoma > City. I am > > taking a class called Master Gardener at the local County > Extension. This > > year is my learning year for crop production. When I think I > am ready, I will > > look at buying or leasing some land out of town, and hopefully > set up a CSA. > > Any way I hope it is ok to ask for a little practical advice on > this board. > > If not please let me know. I am planning to start with a section of the > > garden about 4,000 square feet. The soil is almost pure sand, > and it is > > currently covered with bermuda grass. At the Extension they > are telling me to > > clear it with Round Up, ready for fortifying and planting in > the spring. I am > > assuming round up is toxic, and not desireable (I want to learn > organic way). > > I suspect a cover crop, or sheet mulch may be better, but have > no experience, > > so would love to hear some alternative suggestions. Along those > lines, I am > > not sure if I should get a rototiller or not. I dont know what > is a feasible > > area to think in terms of spading. Again any thougts would be helpfull. > > Finally, any suggestions for a fall/winter vegetable crop. It > is currently > > very hot, and very dry here, but the first frost may come late October. > > > > Thanks from hot and sunny Oklahoma City. If any one on the > list is located in > > my neighborhood, please let me know, I am anxious to network. > > > > Dave > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDDB03.00A8F6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    The pressure to use something instant is = funding.
    people on=20 the land in debt to the bank
    have to use something quick and = absolute, like=20 roundup which has a surfactant (hopefully only in older stock) that = removes the=20 skin of amphibians!.
    Some people use a very clever method of = planting=20 and harvesting that works with the weeds *(sure there may be a = reduced=20 harvest quanitity per acre, but the soil less is less and the water = retention=20 and organic matter building up in the soil fantastically greater)
    the = method=20 means ripping the soil with a deep blade -like a yeomans plough
    then = planting=20 directly in the weedy soil with a tall
    crop, taller than the weeds at = harvest=20 time. such as corn/maize, wheat, sorghum, etc
    then harvest HIGH not = low on=20 the ground, this leaves the weeds intact.
    *This method was used with = great=20 success by Robyn Tredwell,
    (Rural Woman of the = Year=20 Australia '96) She doesn’t worry about contamination of seed as she has = a seed=20 sorting machine and uses any unwanted seed for fragile and exposed areas = on her=20 cattle station . She has begun selling seed of native grasses and = pasture=20 species to other farmers.

    In Western Australia, Ron Watkins, = a successful=20 pastorlist and broadacre farmer, uses an organic method=20 too. He allows the weeds to grow to protect the soil = before he=20 plants a crop, then he chips the weeds lightly to add them to the soil = as green=20 manure. Into the dying weeds he plants the crop.

    NEXT STEP:
    Have you considered perrenial species = such as=20 pigeon pea which is harvested for=20 daal?
    April

    _____________________________________
    Leisure = Coast=20 Permaculture Visions
    International Permaculture Teaching=20 Project
    specialising in distance learning.
    http://www.ozemail.com.au/~askpv
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    >=20 -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org [mailto:owner-csa-l@prairienet.org]On
    > Behalf = Of Jay=20 Woods
    > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 1998 7:36
    > To:=20 DRush35007@aol.com
    > Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org
    > Subject: Re: = Request=20 for some practical tips.
    >
    >
    > The easy answer is = Round Up but=20 you will need to garden for three years
    > before the produce can = be=20 thought of as organic.
    >
    > Don't rototill.  You will be = fighting weeds for a long time.  What I did
    > when I needed = to start=20 with a weedy patch was plant winter rye in the fall
    > and white = clover in=20 the spring.  I wasn't in a hurry to get started with
    > = annuals. =20 The perennials were being planted first.
    >
    > The vegetables = were=20 dug-bed planted after two years of this.  All the
    > winter = rye=20 cuttings, tree prunings, and big weeds which were hand pulled
    > = were=20 composted and used in the dug beds.  The rye, clover rotation=20 stopped
    > most of the weeds and grasses in their = tracks.
    >
    >=20 ---Jay
    >
    > On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 DRush35007@aol.com=20 wrote:
    >
    > > I have just moved into a house sitting on = 1/2 acre=20 in Oklahoma
    > City.  I am
    > > taking a class called = Master=20 Gardener at the local County
    > Extension.  This
    > > = year is=20 my learning year for crop production.  When I think I
    > am = ready, I=20 will
    > > look at buying or leasing some land out of town, and=20 hopefully
    > set up a CSA.
    > > Any way I hope it is ok to = ask for=20 a little practical advice on
    > this board.
    > > If not = please let=20 me know.  I am planning to start with a section of the
    > > = garden=20 about 4,000 square feet.   The soil is almost pure = sand,
    > and=20 it is
    > > currently covered with bermuda grass.  At the = Extension=20 they
    > are telling me to
    > > clear it with Round Up, = ready for=20 fortifying and planting in
    > the spring.  I am
    > > = assuming=20 round up is toxic, and not desireable (I want to learn
    > organic=20 way).
    > > I suspect a cover crop, or sheet mulch may be better, = but=20 have
    > no experience,
    > > so would love to hear some = alternative=20 suggestions. Along those
    > lines, I am
    > > not sure if I = should=20 get a rototiller or not.  I dont know what
    > is a = feasible
    >=20 > area to think in terms of spading.  Again any thougts would be = helpfull.
    > > Finally, any suggestions for a fall/winter = vegetable=20 crop.  It
    > is currently
    > > very hot, and very dry = here,=20 but the first frost may come late October.
    > >
    > > = Thanks from=20 hot and sunny Oklahoma City.  If any one on the
    > list is = located=20 in
    > > my neighborhood, please let me know, I am anxious to=20 network.
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    >
    >=20

    ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDDB03.00A8F6E0-- From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 18:43:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA19856 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA11299 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28355; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:29:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28314 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:29:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.126.27.50] (moose-4.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.27.50]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00185 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:29:36 -0500 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: John Barclay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: The SANET-mg E-mail Discussion Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 519 Since some postings on this list are more about farming practices than CSAs alone, I thought people might be interested in knowing about the SANET-mg list (see below.) I will add this into the CSA-L FAQ when I get a chance. I don't want to discourage farming questions on CSA-L, but SANET-mg has a much larger number of subscribers and may yield better result. If any of you all know of other e-mail lists that would be of particular interest to CSA-L participants (such as the biodynamic list), a similar message about what they are and how to subscribe would be appreciated. John Barclay, CSA-L co-moderator ================================================= About SANET-mg There is an e-mail list run by the Sustainable Agriculture Network called SANET-mg which focuses on sustainable agriculture practices. Below is information on the list from their web page at http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail/hypermail.html Archives of the list are available on the web site, as well as, a form to subscribe. Its a good idea to read the archives before subscribing so you can see if the list is for you. You can also subscribe via email as outlined below. SANET-mg, an e-mail discussion group, was initiated in September of 1991. By the summer of 1992, approximately 200 individuals had subscribed to SANET-mg. Currently, more than 750 individuals are subscribed. Readership has exceeded 700 for more than a year. Anyone subscribed to SANET-mg receives every message sent by any other subscriber to the list. SANET-mg is not moderated, which means that there is no screening of messages sent to the list. 'Traffic' on the list averaged about 7 postings per day (weekends included) for the period of 53 days from 24 February to 17 April, 1996. If you would like to subscribe to SANET-mg: Send a message to: majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu In the BODY of the message type only: subscribe sanet-mg Note: be sure to leave the subject line blank and type the message exactly, since a computer will process the request. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John Barclay (217) 384-5465 jbarclay@prairienet.org Champaign, IL, USA http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/ From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Mon Sep 7 19:18:10 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA20188 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA17659 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00484; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from relay.batnet.com (relay1.batnet.com [204.188.144.18]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00442 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:03:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from heimdallr by relay.batnet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA07411; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:03:33 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980907230508.0035f78c@batnet.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:05:08 -0700 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Loren Davidson To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: Bermuda grass (was Re: Request for some practical tips.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: beauty@batnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 520 At 04:36 PM 9/7/98 -0500, Jay Woods wrote: >The easy answer is Round Up but you will need to garden for three years >before the produce can be thought of as organic. >On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 DRush35007@aol.com wrote: > >> I am planning to start with a section of the >> garden about 4,000 square feet. The soil is almost pure sand, and it is >> currently covered with bermuda grass. Ack! Bermuda Grass! (making warding sign with fingers) A while back over on the Permaculture list, someone suggested covering the plot with black plastic mulch for about a month and letting the sun bake it all to death. I haven't tried this myself, but it's worth a go. On smaller plots, I've had moderate success with a scuffle hoe, providing that I picked up *all* the little stolons afterward. Sometimes I'd miss a few, but as soon as they showed green, I'd pull them up from the by-then loosened soil. If you want to start in one corner and work out, this might be a workable strategy. Good luck, Loren -- Loren Davidson Permaculturist, poet, philosopher loren@wombat.net http://www.batnet.com/beauty/ "Follow your dreams. Make your wishes. Create the future. And above all, believe in yourself." -- J. Michael Straczynski From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Sep 8 06:53:38 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA25766 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 58535 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <222245-19418>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:38:51 -0400 Received: from TIMEDOUT@igcb.igc.apc.org (port 49167 [192.82.108.46]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <222229-19416>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:38:36 -0400 Received: from igce.igc.org (igce.igc.org [192.82.108.49]) by igcb.igc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26132; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pppe-68.igc.org (swrpi@pppe-68.igc.org) by igce.igc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22038; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980907185047.3ea7799a@pop.igc.org> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: Scott & Arina Pittman To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, , "permaculture@#envirolink. org" , "Jay Woods" Subject: RE: Request for some practical tips. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: swrpi@pop.igc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 521 Hi there, Thanks for the good question. >In Western Australia, Ron Watkins, a successful pastorlist and broadacre >farmer, uses an organic method too. He allows the weeds to grow to protect >the soil before he plants a crop, then he chips the weeds lightly to add >them to the soil as green manure. Into the dying weeds he plants the crop. My experience here in New Mexico has been very different from what April mentioned, but I am a smale scale farmer. First of all there is here no such thing as dying weeds. Plants have very elaborate hormonal system. After being pooled or chopped, many of them will mature their seed anyway, and reseed. (You can pool a few and keep them for the experiment sake! Seed will be viable.) Some will leave small or big pieces of their roots in the soil, which will be enough to give them another chance. Some tall weeds (Pigweed) after being cut will immediately shoot new growth very close to the ground and go to seed. Boy, they know how to survive indeed. Presence of certain weeds also means luck or abundance of certain minerals in the soil, certain irrigation practices, etc. (You can check this information in "Weeds - Control without poisons" of Charles Walters, Acres USA) The miracle of life is very present - many seeds are waiting for their time in the soil. One germinates, and immediately starts putting chemical toxins in the soils to prevent other seeds from germination. Chopping, pulling, mulching does not do any good, because there are more "dormant" weed seed in the soil. Once you "clear" the space, next seed comes to life, since the chemical balance in the soil changes slightly, and "signals" to other seeds to wake up. This can repeat itself 4-5 times at least (New Mexico) so you constantly have new growth. >then planting directly in the weedy soil with a tall >crop, taller than the weeds at harvest time. such as corn/maize, wheat, >sorghum, etc >then harvest HIGH not low on the ground, this leaves the weeds intact. >*This method was used with great success by Robyn Tredwell, (Rural Woman of >the Year Australia '96) She doesn't worry about contamination of seed as she >has a seed sorting machine and uses any unwanted seed for fragile and >exposed areas on her cattle station . She has begun selling seed of native >grasses and pasture species to other farmers. On the big scale it works better because you also plant greater amount of seed pro acre/row (usually twice us much), so part of them survives "chemical" competition with weeds. On the small scale losses can be significant, if you plant as recommended 6"-8" apart. Some plants are stronger in fighting, some, like corn&sorghum, may have delayed germination, or poor germination in presence of weeds. The general rule here in NM is - intensive weeding until your young plants (no matter annuals or perennial) get well established, than you can just monitor the situation, and relax completely after August 15. My approach has been to look closely what conditions certain weeds prefer. Originally what I've got was sandy soil, low nutrient content, no shade (classic field!), high light saturation, strong wind in the spring, bare soil between the plants (sometimes in the spring time when wind blows non-stop for 1,5 month I even wonder why people even try to do anything in such conditions!) Weeds are not the plants we don't want. Weeds are the plants which have better survival chance and thus take over, they are able to deal with very poor conditions, and it's why they don't produce anything we "want" ( a lot of what we want is succulent, rich in starch, sugars, vitamins, minerals and so on). I try to develop a completely different approach on my 3/4 acre farm land, which in my particular climate will provide my plants with following: 1. Cool soil - most our weeds tolerate or prefer high temperature in the root zone. Most of desirable plants tolerate it not very well. Some die when T in the root zone reaches something around F85 - don't remember the number exactly... 2. Light shade - we have enormous light saturations in NM. I attend to plant tall light shade trees on the field, planning carefully so if I ever will have to till again, I can fit the equipment on the field. Even better if you have a good choice of none invasive nitrogen fixers (I don't), so you also will bring "free" and rich green manure, biomass to your land. In my case I use non-nitrogen fixing Honey Locust, the only none-invasive, tall, fast growing, light shade tree in our climate. 3. Humus Naturally humus won't build in the exposed, bare soil - not enough moisture and bacterial activity, and all nutrients will be "baked" on the sun, , or washed away. Light shade will help you to establish humus building process as well. 3. Good windbreak - to keep top-soil from flying to next state, and to help my plants keep moisture. (When the winds come to us we cannot replace water loses by irrigation, so significant they are!) 4. No exposed soil - in our climate we use mixture of Red Strawberry Clover "Salina" and white dutch clover. They both are about 6-8" tall, one prefers cool spring/fall wheather, another tolerates heat better, so in any circumstances one of them is present and protects the soil (also gives it shade, keeps moisture, etc). Planting tall nitrogen fixer as alfalfa, desert grassland clover, and others 2-3' tall for one year can help to fight 90 % of sun-loving weeds. 5. Extra Nutrients We use flood irrigation, and try to slow water down a lot, so as it goes it has enough time to deposit rich silt, so it does not build up at the end of a row, but is evenly distributed and available. Charles Walters states : "BERMUDA GRASS WILL NOT GROW IN SHADE. SHALLOW PLOWING BEFORE THE GROUND FREEZES IS THE REMEDY OF CHOICE" Arina Moisinowitch-Pittman, organic grower, sertified PC trainee Scott & Arina Pittman Permaculture Institute PO Box 3702, Pojoaque, NM 87501 US ********* Ingenio Patet Campus From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 8 09:36:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.83] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA26758 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA09751 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01254; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:20:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mufn.org (mufn.org [198.108.218.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01190 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809081319.IAA01190@coneflower.prairienet.org> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:09:38 -0400 Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jim and Jo at Five Springs Farm" To: Subject: Request for some practical tips. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 522 Here in Northern Michigan we have what we call quack grass. Persistent as anything on rhizomes. If veggies grew like this...Anyway, one strategy we have tried with some success is a succession of buckwheat. We plant it thick right after the last threat of frost (very tender). About 30 days later, or before it blooms, dig it under (till, if you have a tiller) and replant. Repeat as many times as your season will allow. We get 3 plantings and the buckwheat is so rapid-growing that it out competes EVERYTHING. It is also a nice way to build some organic matter in your soil. There has to be enough fertility in the soil to get a nice thick stand, but buckwheat isn't too fussy. Good luck! Jo and Jim at Five Springs Farm (and "The Community Farm" newsletter) From owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu Tue Sep 8 18:01:03 1998 Received: from listserv.oit.unc.edu (listserv.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.17]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA00689 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOCKFAULT1@localhost (port 61254 [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with SMTP id <222661-19416>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:38:07 -0400 Received: from root@comp.uark.edu (port 52469 [130.184.252.197]) by listserv.oit.unc.edu with ESMTP id <222742-19417>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:36:11 -0400 Received: from ncatark.uark.edu (ncatark.uark.edu [130.184.41.248]) by comp.uark.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA23804; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 581I.uark.edu ([130.184.41.238]) by ncatark.uark.edu (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id QAA22477; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809082113.QAA22477@ncatark.uark.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:11:11 +0000 Reply-To: steved@ncatark.uark.edu Sender: owner-permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu From: "Steve Diver" To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu, , "permaculture@#envirolink. org" , "Jay Woods" , permaculture@listserv.oit.u Subject: RE: Request for some practical tips. In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980907185047.3ea7799a@pop.igc.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 523 Nice posts regarding weed ecology and control. As the original post had to do with control of a bermudagrass lawn or bermudagrass pasture to establish a 4,000 sq. foot garden in Oklahoma City where it is HOT and DRY.... perfect growing conditions for bermudagrass.... there are few options in my opinion. One of the old common names for bermudagrass was "Devil's Weed" for good reason. >From a practical viewpoint, I see only two alternatives to Roundup that are feasible at the 4,000 sq. foot range: 1. Cover crop and tillage sequence.. may take 2 years in a sequence of winter cover cropping, spring tillage and establishment of next sequence -- either a smother crop or smother crop mixture, or a summer row crop that produces shade accompanied by inter-row tillage or living mulch.... followed by winter cover crop establishment in September. Repeat sequence. 2. Geotextile weed barrier.... will take around 2 months to turn bermudagrass into an albino plant growing underneath the black weed barrier.... expending all its carbohydrate root reserves, sending up new green shoots which soon also turn to albinos and die from lack of sunlight. A 4500 sq. ft roll of geotextile costs about $300. Note: In a drought year such as 1998, the bermudagrass may go dormant and fool the geotextile mulch.... in this situation it may be necessary to irrigate the grass to encourage growth and subsequent dieback. Steve Diver From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 8 18:08:58 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA01134 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA02249 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08933; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:54:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VM.MARIST.EDU (vm.marist.edu [148.100.1.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08879 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VM.MARIST.EDU by VM.MARIST.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6159; Tue, 08 Sep 98 17:54:31 EDT Received: from MARISTB.MARIST.EDU (NJE origin MUSICB@MARIST) by VM.MARIST.EDU (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 7042; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:54:31 -0400 Message-Id: <08SEP98.19337456.0095.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:54:18 EDT Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: "Schroer, Joanna" To: Subject: job opening for grower X-Mailer: MUSIC/SP V5.1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 524 Phillies Bridge Farm Project CSA is seeking a grower for the 1999 season. Located in New York's Hudson Valley, the farm presently serves 130 shareholders. We have a focus of providing organic produce to our shareholders as well as being a demonstration farm with educational goals. Responsibilities will include farming a six acre garden, supervising crop distribution, managing a greenhouse and overseeing the care of chickens and lambs. Grower will supervise and train at least two interns (and possibly an ass't grower), plus the volunteer share- holders who are required to work 12 hours per season. This is a nine month position that will begin in March. Various housing arrangements are possible. Qualifications: Must have at least two years experience as an organic farmer and experience with CSA model. Must be able to communicate effectively with the CSA community and with conventional farmers in the area. Some formal education in agriculture desirable. Skills in construction, mechanics, and/or teaching beneficial. Applications accepted until November 1. AA/EOE employer. Respond to: Joanna Schroer, c/o Phillies Bridge Farm Project, PO Box 1147, New Paltz NY 12561 914/256-9108 From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Tue Sep 8 19:03:56 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA02940 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA13497 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00773; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:20:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27438 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA16753 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: other mailing lists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 525 I was going to add that one of the most active and informative lists is ogl. A lot of gardeners and some farmers. BUt, I think gardeners have wonderful insights for farmers, in fact, many gardeners have been gardening far longer than some farmers have been farming and know oodles. I like the list a lot. There is an emphasis on not only organic methods (obviously from title) but also on no-till/low till methods. I find it to often be more practical than sanet in terms of what gets discussed. And, people will answer your questions/debate the pros and cons.... It's ogl@lsv.uky.edu :-) eliza From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Wed Sep 9 00:34:44 1998 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA09093 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coneflower.prairienet.org (coneflower.prairienet.org [192.17.3.5]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA22786 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03548; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q7.q7.com (eliza@q7.q7.com [206.58.126.2]) by coneflower.prairienet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03495 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:18:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by q7.q7.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA26259 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-csa-l@prairienet.org Precedence: bulk From: Eliza Lindsay To: csa-l@prairienet.org Subject: subscribing to ogl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 526 Several people asked how to sub to the ogl list. As the address suggests it is a listserv run list (as opposed to majordomo run lists (the other common type often ending in -l as in this here csa list). In either case you can send for a list of commands that the program understands. I sent directly to the listserv which runs ogl (since version numbers vary). Here is a forward of the response in wihch you will find directions for subbing to ogl. Hope this helps and pardons for anyone who wanted a "simple" answer. I prefer the answers which allow you to do for yourself in the future. cheers eliza ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:12:22 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Kentucky (1.8c)" To: Eliza Lindsay Subject: File: "LISTSERV REFCARD" LISTSERV(R) System Reference Library, release 1.8c -------------------------------------------------- Copyright L-Soft international, 1986-1996 Last update: 13 Aug 1996 ************************************************************ * * * LISTSERV command reference cards: * * * *-> LISTSERV REFCARD: General user commands * * LISTOWNR REFCARD: List and file management commands * * LISTMAST REFCARD: Commands for the LISTSERV administrat* * * ************************************************************ Commands are listed in alphabetical order, with the minimum acceptable abbreviation in capital letters. Angle brackets are used to indicate optional parameters. 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