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SwAmin, This is due to our ignorance of Poetic grammar of Tamil. every verse consists of seers. If we adhere to these seers then such breaking of words will not occur generally except at a few places. But there is some thing called thAlam which is adopted for reciting the verses in the form of music which was the innovation done by our great Acharya, SrI nAthamunikaL.
We must also give a thought to another fact that is, when you sing a verse, the arrangement of sound takes precedence to meaning, which can be learnt in leasure. But while singing, more importance is given to sound effect and not the meaning. It is 'suram' that is more effective than sticking to the meaning. This is so in rendering vedic passages where the sound effect is given the prominence. We must also note that sound effect is more important than learning meaning at that moment.
This seemingly contradiction has to be resolved by learned pundits: Sound or meaning which is to be given importance while rendering the Veda? Divyaprabandam is Tamil maRai and so it should be treated the same way as the veda.
Regards,
dAsan
anbil SrInivAsan  

--- On Mon, 16/2/09, raghunathan r <rraghunathan_in@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: raghunathan r <rraghunathan_in@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
To: Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 1:57 PM

Swamin.
 
I am absolutely in agreement that words in pasurams should be given proper sandhi and should not be broken in an absurd manner.
 
But what makes me wonder is as to how we practice and approve the way we break the words when we render "Varanam Ayiram".  The tune with the broken words is really excellent but the looking into the words broken, it makes one cry.  Just see :
 
Vaarana     maayiram      soozhava      lamseithu
naarana      nambina       dakkinnaan   nenretheir
poorana      porkudam     vaithuppu      ramengum
thoranam    nattakka       naakkanden  thozhinaan
 
I want to really know why such horrible breaking of words got approved and traditionally sung everywhere with no fingers raised even by most learned people.
 
And if such absurd breaking of words is allowed, then what is the harm in people interested in learning, do it by themselves, though it might result in some wrongful breaking of words?
 
Dasan
Raghunathan


--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
From: Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
To: Oppiliappan@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 7:54 AM

It is very correctly stated that santhai method is very important.  Of late, it has been found that many people who have abiding interest to do sevakalam, take books and start chanting even without formal santhai.  It is a quite welcome sign that many people get interested in doing kainkaryams in the temple.  But at the same time, there is a problem with regard to actual breaking of pasurams and many of them do break the stanzas very badly leading to an utter confusion.  Such people may consider undergoing a formal santhai before using the book.  This is my humbale suggestion.
 
T Venkatesh

--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Padmanabhan <aazhwar@gmail. com>
Subject: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
To: "vanamamalai" <vanamamalai@ yahoogroups. com>, "Sri Ramanuja" <ramanuja@yahoogroup s.com>, "oppiliappan" <oppiliappan@ yahoogroups. com>, "jetusa" <jetusa@yahoogroups. com>, "divya desam" <divya_desam@ yahoogroups. com>, "parichaya" <parichaya@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 6:41 PM

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Arulich cheyal anubhavam
àààààààààààà ààààààà
 
When we chant arulich cheyal, due to various reasons, some of us , including myself, chant wrongly.
 
Basically, santhai method of learning is must to chant properly with splitting of words done propelry.
 
The learning process should be error-free. When the learning is with mistkaes, the mistake gets carride thorugh ones life.
 
This apart, the memory loss/lapse is another reason.
 
The lack of adequate knowledge of our classical divine tamil-àààààààààà ààààà ààà -is another reason.
 
The slip of the tongue can be attirbuted when most experienced souls chant with error.
 
I have seen great stalwarts chant wrongly but reprimand themselves by hitting on their head with folded hands...
 
When a person chants with mistake, the fellow goshti mate correct it in a mild manner which is acknowledged with folded hands.
 
The chanting of AzvAr pAsuram-s without santhai coupled with lack of understaning leads to disaster and sometimes funny sounds.
 
SrivaishNavites brethern have narrated their experiecnes which is in lighter vein, but thought provoking in this regard.
 
Let us go into a few of these and share our experiences mutually
 
dasan
vanamamalai padmanabhan
 
 
 
 
 


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