Dear smt jayasree instead of myself answering your question i will give the extract of srimadh bhaagavatham tenth canto chpater 45 - this extract is from www.srimadbhagavatam.org. [the numbers in brackets are the slokam numbers. (25) Thus addressed by the two of Them embraced Nanda Them, engulfed by affection, with tears filling his eyes and went he with the gopas to Vraja. (26) Then had the son of S'ûrasena [Vasudeva], o King, by a priest and brahmins for his sons the second-birth-initiation properly performed. (27) He donated to them in worship, to their full ornate, for remuneration cows with golden chains and ornaments complete with calves and garlands of flowers of flax. (28) He, magnanimous, gave them in charity the cows that were stolen away by Kamsa, which he had donated in his mind on the day that Krishna and Râma were born [see 3.10-11-12]. (29) After by initiation having attained the twice-born status, took They, sincere in Their vows from Garga, the preceptor of the Yadus, the vow of celibacy [to be a student, see also gâyatrî and brahmacârya]. (30-31) As the Lords of the Universe of all being the origin and in knowledge being omniscient did They, by their human like activities concealing the impeccable knowledge that was achieved from no other source, then desire to live at the school of the guru native to Kâsî [Benares] named Sândîpani who dwelt in the city of Avantî [Ujjain]. (32) The spiritual teacher to that circumstance getting Them in self-restraint, was by Them, who approaching for service respected him as if he were the Lord, indeed with Their devotion used to set an irreproachable example for others. (33) Their highest one of the twiceborn satisfied with their pure love and submissive acts taught as their guru Them all the Veda's with their corollary literatures and philosophical treatises, [**] (34) the Dhanur-veda [military science, archery] along with all its secrets [the mantras], the dharma [codes of human conduct, the laws] and the nyâya [the methods of logic] as also ânvîkshikîm [the knowledge of philosophical debate or tarka] and the six aspects of râja-nîtim [political science, see ***]. (35-36) As the best of all first class persons and of all knowledge the promulgators did They, o ruler of man, fixed in concentration fully assimilate, simply having it related once, in as many days and nights the complete of the sixty-four arts [*4] and offered They satisfied their preceptor, o King, compensation [gurudakshinâ]. (37) The twiceborn man, in due consideration of that amazing greatness of Their super human intelligence, o King, after consulting with his wife, arrived at the wish for his child that had perished in the ocean at Prabhâsa [see also 1.15: 49, 3.1: 20, 3.3: 25]. (38) Saying 'So be it' mounted the two great charioteers of unlimited prowess then a chariot and walked they, reaching there, up to the shore to sit down for a moment, upon which the ocean in recognition brought Them offerings of tribute [compare 9.10: 13]. (39) To him said the Supreme Lord: 'At once present Us the son of our guru, a young boy, whom by you with a mighty wave has been seized here.' (40) The person of the ocean said: 'It was not I who took him away, o Lord, it was a powerful daitya named Pañcajana, o Krishna, a demon who roams in the water assuming the form of a conch. (41) By him living here has he indeed been taken away'. Hearing that hurried the Master into the water and killed He him, but the boy He couldn't find in his belly. (42-44) Taking the conchshell, that had grown as a part of the demon, returned He to the chariot and left He for the beloved city of Yamarâja [the Lord of death] known as Samyamani [*5]. On His way being accompanied by Him who has the Plow for His Weapon [Balarâma], blew Janârdana loudly on the conchshell [see also B.G. 1: 15] whose sound was heard by Yamarâja, the restrainer of the ones born. Overflowing with devotion performed he elaborate worship for Them and said he humbly, bowing down to Krishna who dwells in each his heart: 'What can I do for the two of You, o Vishnu, who appeared as human beings? (45) The Supreme Lord said: 'Please bring the son of My guru taken from here to suffer the bondage of his karma, o great King; it is My command that should be given priority'. (46) 'Let it be so' he said and brought forth the preceptor's son. The Best of the Yadus then gave him back to Their guru whom They so said: 'Please make a another wish'. (47) The honorable guru said: 'I am completely fulfilled, my Boys, by the remuneration for the guru of the two of You; what else would there for the spiritual master of Persons like You be left to desire? (48) Please go to Your home, o heroes, may Your fame purify and may the words of Your delight [the mantras, the vedic hymns] be ever fresh ['never die away' or 'never be forgotten'] in this life and in the next!'[see also: 10.13: 2] (49) Thus by Their guru permitted to leave, reached They on their chariot fast as the wind and thundering like a cloud their city. (50) The citizens seeing Râma and Janârdana, not having seen them for many days, all rejoiced like ones who having lost their wealth had regained it. So krishNa paid the guru dhakshina of the dead son of guru being brought back to life. The lord only can do that and perhaps this will be the ONLY ONE GURU DHAKSHINA which can NEVER be done by any other student born or to be born [except my krishna if he is to be born again]. To answer the second part of the question naishtika brahmachary - see this paragraph - this is from chapter 90 srimad bhagavatham 28) This manner proceeding to the dharma as expressed by the Vedas, demonstrated He, the Goal of the Saintly, how one's home is there as the place for the religiosity, the economic development and the regulation of sense-gratification [the purusârthas] <../glossary/p.html>. (29) Of Krishna being situated in the highest dharma of a householders life, where there over sixteen thousand and one hundred queens [see also 10.59** <chapter59.html>and 7.14 <../canto7/chapter14.html>]. (30) Among them there were eight gems of women headed by Rukminî whom I along with their sons one after the other described previously [see 10.83 <chapter83.html> en 10.61: 8-19 <chapter61.html>], o King. (31) In each of His many wives begot Krishna, the Supreme Lord Never Failing in His Effort, ten sons [and one daughter]. (32) Of these there were eighteen mahârathas <../glossary/m.html> of an unlimited prowess, whose fame spread wide; hear their names from me. (33-34) On that krishNa is said to be a 'naishtika brahmachari' and the story of parikshith, i also heard same, and, wrote in my earlier write up also. On this, one Sri mukunda dasa a member of the group, asked me in a private mail 'can you add the evidence from srimadh bhagavatham or any other reference'. since i am not able to lay hands on that reference, i simply kept queit without answering him. now perhaps when Mr. dasa reads this mail he will be convinced why i did not answer him. I welcome the reference from the group members. dhasan vasudevan m.g Original Message From: notify@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ mailto:notify@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of jayasartn Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:53 AM To: M.G.Vasudevan Subject: Re: raama a brahmachari SrI: Respected swamin, I agree with your mail. But kindly look into Krishna's case too as He, as Naishtika brahmachari saved ParIkshith in the womb. That is how I have heard the story. There is something else to the meaning of naishtikam, I think. One thought- did Krishna pay His Guru dhakshina? If so what? If not so, perhaps that might give one dimension of naishtikam. Since He has not paid, it is inferred He continues to be the student. Regards, jayasree DISCLAIMER: This Message and its contents is intended solely for the addressee and is proprietary.Information in this mail is for L&T Business Usage only. 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