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Dear smt jayasree
instead of myself answering your question i will give the extract of srimadh 
bhaagavatham tenth canto chpater 45 - this extract is from 
www.srimadbhagavatam.org. [the numbers in brackets are the slokam numbers.

(25) Thus addressed by the two of Them embraced Nanda Them, engulfed by 
affection, with tears filling his eyes and went he with the gopas to Vraja. 
(26) Then had the son of S'ûrasena [Vasudeva], o King, by a priest and brahmins 
for his sons the second-birth-initiation properly performed. (27) He donated to 
them in worship, to their full ornate, for remuneration cows with golden chains 
and ornaments complete with calves and garlands of flowers of flax. (28) He, 
magnanimous, gave them in charity the cows that were stolen away by Kamsa, 
which he had donated in his mind on the day that Krishna and Râma were born 
[see 3.10-11-12]. (29) After by initiation having attained the twice-born 
status, took They, sincere in Their vows from Garga, the preceptor of the 
Yadus, the vow of celibacy [to be a student, see also gâyatrî and brahmacârya]. 
(30-31) As the Lords of the Universe of all being the origin and in knowledge 
being omniscient did They, by their human like activities concealing the 
impeccable knowledge that was achieved from no other source, then desire to 
live at the school of the guru native to Kâsî [Benares] named Sândîpani who 
dwelt in the city of Avantî [Ujjain]. (32) The spiritual teacher to that 
circumstance getting Them in self-restraint, was by Them, who approaching for 
service respected him as if he were the Lord, indeed with Their devotion used 
to set an irreproachable example for others. (33) Their highest one of the 
twiceborn satisfied with their pure love and submissive acts taught as their 
guru Them all the Veda's with their corollary literatures and philosophical 
treatises, [**] (34) the Dhanur-veda [military science, archery] along with all 
its secrets [the mantras], the dharma [codes of human conduct, the laws] and 
the nyâya [the methods of logic] as also ânvîkshikîm [the knowledge of 
philosophical debate or tarka] and the six aspects of râja-nîtim [political 
science, see ***]. (35-36) As the best of all first class persons and of all 
knowledge the promulgators did They, o ruler of man, fixed in concentration 
fully assimilate, simply having it related once, in as many days and nights the 
complete of the sixty-four arts [*4] and offered They satisfied their 
preceptor, o King, compensation [gurudakshinâ]. (37) The twiceborn man, in due 
consideration of that amazing greatness of Their super human intelligence, o 
King, after consulting with his wife, arrived at the wish for his child that 
had perished in the ocean at Prabhâsa [see also 1.15: 49, 3.1: 20, 3.3: 25]. 
(38) Saying 'So be it' mounted the two great charioteers of unlimited prowess 
then a chariot and walked they, reaching there, up to the shore to sit down for 
a moment, upon which the ocean in recognition brought Them offerings of tribute 
[compare 9.10: 13]. (39) To him said the Supreme Lord: 'At once present Us the 
son of our guru, a young boy, whom by you with a mighty wave has been seized 
here.'
(40) The person of the ocean said: 'It was not I who took him away, o Lord, it 
was a powerful daitya named Pañcajana, o Krishna, a demon who roams in the 
water assuming the form of a conch. (41) By him living here has he indeed been 
taken away'.
Hearing that hurried the Master into the water and killed He him, but the boy 
He couldn't find in his belly. (42-44) Taking the conchshell, that had grown as 
a part of the demon, returned He to the chariot and left He for the beloved 
city of Yamarâja [the Lord of death] known as Samyamani [*5]. On His way being 
accompanied by Him who has the Plow for His Weapon [Balarâma], blew Janârdana 
loudly on the conchshell [see also B.G. 1: 15] whose sound was heard by 
Yamarâja, the restrainer of the ones born. Overflowing with devotion performed 
he elaborate worship for Them and said he humbly, bowing down to Krishna who 
dwells in each his heart: 'What can I do for the two of You, o Vishnu, who 
appeared as human beings?

(45) The Supreme Lord said: 'Please bring the son of My guru taken from here to 
suffer the bondage of his karma, o great King; it is My command that should be 
given priority'. 
(46) 'Let it be so' he said and brought forth the preceptor's son. The Best of 
the Yadus then gave him back to Their guru whom They so said: 'Please make a 
another wish'.
(47) The honorable guru said: 'I am completely fulfilled, my Boys, by the 
remuneration for the guru of the two of You; what else would there for the 
spiritual master of Persons like You be left to desire? (48) Please go to Your 
home, o heroes, may Your fame purify and may the words of Your delight [the 
mantras, the vedic hymns] be ever fresh ['never die away' or 'never be 
forgotten'] in this life and in the next!'[see also: 10.13: 2]
(49) Thus by Their guru permitted to leave, reached They on their chariot fast 
as the wind and thundering like a cloud their city. (50) The citizens seeing 
Râma and Janârdana, not having seen them for many days, all rejoiced like ones 
who having lost their wealth had regained it.

So krishNa paid the guru dhakshina of the dead son of guru being brought back 
to life. 

The lord only can do that and perhaps this will be the ONLY ONE GURU DHAKSHINA 
which can NEVER be done by any other student born or  to be born [except my 
krishna if he is to be born again].

To answer the second part of the question naishtika brahmachary - see this 
paragraph - this is from chapter 90 srimad bhagavatham
28) This manner proceeding to the dharma as expressed by the Vedas, 
demonstrated He, the Goal of the Saintly, how one's home is there as the place 
for the religiosity, the economic development and the regulation of 
sense-gratification [the purusârthas] <../glossary/p.html>. (29) Of Krishna 
being situated in the highest dharma of a householders life, where there over 
sixteen thousand and one hundred queens [see also 10.59** <chapter59.html>and 
7.14 <../canto7/chapter14.html>]. (30) Among them there were eight gems of 
women headed by Rukminî whom I along with their sons one after the other 
described previously [see 10.83 <chapter83.html> en 10.61: 8-19 
<chapter61.html>], o King. (31) In each of His many wives begot Krishna, the 
Supreme Lord Never Failing in His Effort, ten sons [and one daughter]. (32) Of 
these there were eighteen mahârathas <../glossary/m.html> of an unlimited 
prowess, whose fame spread wide; hear their names from me. (33-34) 

On that krishNa is said to be a 'naishtika brahmachari' and the story of 
parikshith, i also heard same, and, wrote in my earlier write up also. 

On this, one Sri mukunda dasa a member of the group, asked me in a private mail 
'can you add the evidence from srimadh bhagavatham or any other reference'. 
since i am not able to lay hands on that reference, i simply kept queit without 
answering him. now perhaps when Mr. dasa reads this mail he will be convinced 
why i did not answer him.

I welcome the reference from the group members.

dhasan vasudevan m.g

Original Message From: notify@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ mailto:notify@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of jayasartn
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:53 AM
To: M.G.Vasudevan
Subject: Re: raama a brahmachari
SrI: Respected swamin, I agree with your mail.
But kindly look into Krishna's case too as He, as Naishtika
brahmachari saved ParIkshith in the womb. That is how I have heard
the story. There is something else to the meaning of naishtikam, I think.
 One thought-  did Krishna pay His Guru dhakshina? If so what? If not
so, perhaps that might give one dimension of naishtikam. Since He has
not paid, it is inferred He continues to be the student. Regards, jayasree





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