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Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

Dear Sri Venkatesan,

adiyEn feels that you have explained very well the context of the "pride" being 
discussed in this thread. The illustrated example dives home the point we need 
to understand,
 
Thanks a lot........
 
adiyEn rAmAnujadAsan
aravind rAman

TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

Dear Sri Varadhan,

adiyEn thinks what you have said below is what "sAthvika
ahankAram" truly is.

> where embAr said "illai enakku edhir, illai enakku
> edhir", adiyEn 
> has always understood that statement to be the ultimate
> statement in 
> praising Ramanuja, rather than svami embAr being proud
> somehow of 
> himself. 

adiyEn agrees with Sri Padmanabhan Swami that we are
getting lost in the words here. I think we should not
use the literal definition of the word ahankAram and 
apply it in the phrase "sAthvika ahankAram".

I think what is defined by this phrase is - that pride
which comes out of His greatness and the greatness
of His devotees. It is not that we have have done 
something or possess something. It is that their 
greatness is such that we feel an immense pride in 
our hearts for them. In general, we hear that one 
should have no pride. Here it says that we should 
have pride - but in the right things. 

An event in Embar's life iluustrates the question of 
this pride: Some devotees came to Embar and praised 
him for all his great qualities. Embar accepted them
and replied  "thagum". The devotees were caught by 
surprise. Guess they were expecting a major dose of
naiccyAnusandhAnam from Embar :-). So, they all went
to Ramanuja and asked him about this. Ramanuja told 
them "Let's go and ask Embar himself". So, they all 
came back to Embar and Ramanuja asked him why he did 
what he did.

Embar replied that "How could I not accept that I had
those qualities? If I did, then it would mean that a
direct disciple of Ramanuja did not possess such good
qualities. Not possessing them does not mean anything
to me. But it would bring down the greatness of
Ramanuja. Therefore, I accepted them".

This is similar to our sampradhAyam, where even though
the general refrain is that we should have no kAmam, 
our acharyas state we should have kAmam - but only for 
Him. Recall the Ramanuja Nootrandadhi phrase 
"kaNNanukkE Amadhu kAmam". So, I guess, we could call 
this "sAthvika kAmam" :-).

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan


            
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