Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Sri Varadhan, adiyEn thinks what you have said below is what "sAthvika ahankAram" truly is. > where embAr said "illai enakku edhir, illai enakku > edhir", adiyEn > has always understood that statement to be the ultimate > statement in > praising Ramanuja, rather than svami embAr being proud > somehow of > himself. adiyEn agrees with Sri Padmanabhan Swami that we are getting lost in the words here. I think we should not use the literal definition of the word ahankAram and apply it in the phrase "sAthvika ahankAram". I think what is defined by this phrase is - that pride which comes out of His greatness and the greatness of His devotees. It is not that we have have done something or possess something. It is that their greatness is such that we feel an immense pride in our hearts for them. In general, we hear that one should have no pride. Here it says that we should have pride - but in the right things. An event in Embar's life iluustrates the question of this pride: Some devotees came to Embar and praised him for all his great qualities. Embar accepted them and replied "thagum". The devotees were caught by surprise. Guess they were expecting a major dose of naiccyAnusandhAnam from Embar :-). So, they all went to Ramanuja and asked him about this. Ramanuja told them "Let's go and ask Embar himself". So, they all came back to Embar and Ramanuja asked him why he did what he did. Embar replied that "How could I not accept that I had those qualities? If I did, then it would mean that a direct disciple of Ramanuja did not possess such good qualities. Not possessing them does not mean anything to me. But it would bring down the greatness of Ramanuja. Therefore, I accepted them". This is similar to our sampradhAyam, where even though the general refrain is that we should have no kAmam, our acharyas state we should have kAmam - but only for Him. Recall the Ramanuja Nootrandadhi phrase "kaNNanukkE Amadhu kAmam". So, I guess, we could call this "sAthvika kAmam" :-). Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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