Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan, Smt Sheela Belur has already addressed your query from Pillai Lokacharyar's Mumukshuppadi. As she pointed out this is an important concept. The two states you have mentioned are sEshatvam and pAratantriyam. While sEshatvam is no doubt the true nature of the soul, it is pAratantriyam that is given a higher status. pAratantriyam is letting Him dictate every thing - including the destruction of sEshatvam. The examples for these are Lakshmana and Bharata. Lakshmana practised sEshatvam. When Sri Rama asked him to stay back in Ayodhya, as He prepared to leave for the forest, Lakshmana refused to give up his sEshatvam ("aham sarvam karishyAmi"). When Sri Rama asked Bharata to give up his pleas to have Rama return to Ayodhya and also asked him to rule in His stead, Bharata immediately followed that. It is to highlight this greatness of Bharata, that Rama asks the question "Will all brothers be like Bharata?" to Lakshmana himself, when Lakshmana wonders that brothers Vali and Sugreeva could fight each other. Amongst the ten Azhvars, sEshatvam was practised by nine azhvars, while pAratantriyam was practised by Periyazhvar. Losing his svarUpam of being a sEsha bhUtan, and forgetting His sEshi bhAvam, Azhvar sings for His well being ("pallANdu") - "thAn azhigilum avan uyarththiyai/bhOgaththai vENduvadhu". Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan --- Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear Sriman Vishnu / Bhagavathaas, > I have a small doubt. As I was reading this post I came > across > something like a paradox, regarding SEshatvam. We > understand > (vaishnavites) that we all are the servants of the lord. > SEshatvam is > an eternal property that exists, whether we realise it or > not is what > is a different issue. Now, in a situation where the lord > demands that > HE wants to be a servant of us, we being a servant of HIM > already, a) > Do we just obey HIS orders and let him be our servant OR > b) as we are > HIS servants and want to stick to SEshatvam, just ignore > his > happiness of wanting to be our servant? This confuses me. > ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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