Deare srEvaishNavites, Wonderful! Wonderful! I am not worried whehter sAthvika ahankAram is necessary or not. I think this sAthvika ahankAram is indeed necessary as it has brought out from the shell Ms. nappinnai ; Ms Sheela Belur. this interaction was lacking for quite sometme. Thank YOu one and all. In fact, I was wondering what had happened to our steadfast Ms. nc vaidehi? I was thinking for quite sometime that Ms Shela Belur has not written at all. I think one more person is missing in the list . 'thiruvaranganaikamurucselvar'. Let him also please come up. 'andhamil pEAr inbathu adiyarOdu irundhamai' regards one and all vanamamalai padmanabhan POLIGA! POLIGA! POLIGA! ----- Original Message ----- From: vaidhehi_nc To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: [ramanuja] Re: Digest Number 856 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Srimathe Vara Vara Munaye nama: Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan, Humble praNAms to you. There is no paradox. Since I come under aj~nAna prapanna(or probably worse than that),my reply is based on my maNdUka knowledge! If I understand your mail little bit, your second point(b) is there eternally. PerumAL choosing option (a) is unquestionable as He is parathvam(hence He shows His saulabhyam by becoming servants to His devotees). Our job is to do service with love and that's it. Period. He becoming our servant or not is not our problem. It is He who chooses whose disciple He wants to be. It is perumAL who made the statement "vashe kurvanti mAm bhakta: sat shriya: sat patim". No devotee said "perumAL becomes my servant". Happiness/unhappiness,pApam/puNyam etc is relative not in the jIvAtmA's eyes but paramAtmA's eyes. Wrt AcAryA's position being superior, I don't know if you're using the right word to convey what;s going on in your mind. I was fortunate to listen and learn(some srI vacana bhUShaNam and AcArya hrdayam) from Sri Chinna Jeeyar swamiji in person. Swamiji explained very beautifully the AcAryA's position. Nowhere swamiji used the word superior! We all perform actions. But what makes people differ from each other is the attitude they carry behind that action. If I digressed from your main point, please pardon me. As Vishnu poined out in the earlier mail,I feel sAtivIka ahankAram is against seshatvam. In AzhvArs cases(who come under bhakta prapannAs) it is a different scenario. Even in such cases, I don't think they prided themselves when they sang certain pAsurams. Experts in NDP will explain on my behalf(as I'm novice in that area). I feel if ordinary jIvAtmA like us has sAtivIka ahankAram, in "no time" it will get converted into dangerous ahankAram which will damage the soul forever! I request teh devotees to forgive my blabberings. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai a) > Do we just obey HIS orders and let him be our servant OR b) as we are > HIS servants and want to stick to SEshatvam, just ignore his > happiness of wanting to be our servant? This confuses me. Could > someone clarify(with some reference if possible)? For example, in > case of Thirumanga Mannan or Raamanujar or Maamunigal, the lord > wanted to be their disciple. They obliged. But, we must remember > that, the very sthaanam of acharya indicates a superior position, > whether the acharya feels so or not being a different issue. So, if > they accepted HIM as their disciple, it means, they were ok to take > up the acharya's position for the lord. And they knew that the very > position of acharya comes with a dangerous word "superior" hidden > inside it. Is this acceptable? My apologies for my ignorance :( > > Adiyen, > Ramanuja Dasan azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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