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Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
Srimathe Vara Vara Munaye nama:

Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan,
             Humble praNAms to you. There is no paradox. Since I 
come under aj~nAna prapanna(or probably worse than that),my reply is 
based on my maNdUka knowledge! If I understand your mail little bit, 
your second point(b) is there eternally. PerumAL choosing option (a) 
is unquestionable as He is parathvam(hence He shows His saulabhyam 
by becoming servants to His devotees). Our job is to do service with 
love and that's it. Period. He becoming our servant or not is not 
our problem. It is He who chooses whose disciple He wants to be. It 
is perumAL who made the statement "vashe kurvanti mAm bhakta: sat 
shriya: sat patim". No devotee said "perumAL becomes my servant". 
Happiness/unhappiness,pApam/puNyam etc is relative not in the 
jIvAtmA's eyes but paramAtmA's eyes.

             Wrt AcAryA's position being superior, I don't know if 
you're using the right word to convey what;s going on in your mind. 
I was fortunate to listen and learn(some srI vacana bhUShaNam and 
AcArya hrdayam) from Sri Chinna Jeeyar swamiji in person. Swamiji 
explained very beautifully the AcAryA's position. Nowhere swamiji 
used the word superior! We all perform actions. But what makes 
people differ from each other is the attitude they carry behind that 
action. If I digressed from your main point, please pardon me.

             As Vishnu poined out in the earlier mail,I feel 
sAtivIka ahankAram is against seshatvam. In AzhvArs cases(who come 
under bhakta prapannAs) it is a different scenario. Even in such 
cases, I don't think they prided themselves when they sang certain 
pAsurams. Experts in NDP will explain on my behalf(as I'm novice in 
that area). I feel if ordinary jIvAtmA like us has sAtivIka 
ahankAram, in "no time" it will get converted into dangerous 
ahankAram which will damage the soul forever! I request teh devotees 
to forgive my blabberings.  

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
dAsAnu dAsI
NC Nappinnai  


a) 
> Do we just obey HIS orders and let him be our servant OR b) as we 
are 
> HIS servants and want to stick to SEshatvam, just ignore his 
> happiness of wanting to be our servant? This confuses me. Could 
> someone clarify(with some reference if possible)? For example, in 
> case of Thirumanga Mannan or Raamanujar or Maamunigal, the lord 
> wanted to be their disciple. They obliged. But, we must remember 
> that, the very sthaanam of acharya indicates a superior position, 
> whether the acharya feels so or not being a different issue. So, 
if 
> they accepted HIM as their disciple, it means, they were ok to 
take 
> up the acharya's position for the lord. And they knew that the 
very 
> position of acharya comes with a dangerous word "superior" hidden 
> inside it. Is this acceptable? My apologies for my ignorance :(
> 
> Adiyen,
> Ramanuja Dasan





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