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Dear Sriman Narasimhan,

Will you please give the pASuram number?

Thirumangai AzhwAr gave ThirumantrArtham for which we have texts like 
mumukshuppadi, ashtaSlOkI. So no need for him to exhibit any kind of 
pride. Those learned in Tamil will give a different interpretation 
for the 11th pASurams in Periya Thirumozhi. So that cannot be brought 
in!

We have to follow the folowing approach for learning Divyaprabandham. 
Kindly correct me if I am wrong:

1. Going by the accepted meaning of full pASuram as given in 
present Tamil/ Telugu/Kannada/English.
2. Correlating it with at least succeeding and preceding pASurams
3. Going thru vyAkhyAnams (as Smt Sumithra did for nAnmuhan - 3) if 
anything is understood to be supporting
a) something needed for His krpA to act on us
b) A little bit of freedom
c) A little bit of ahankAram

Our Thenkalai version of thirumantrArtham cannot be accepted if there 
is a relaxation in terms of a),b),c). Here commentaries help us in 
better understanding.

I do not know Tamil (though Tamilian) and divyaprabandham. My 
guidelines are only for the interested starters. At least I should 
not mislead others.

Dasan
Vishnu

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" 
<nrusimhann@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sriman Vishnu,
> > Dear Sriman Narasimhan,
> > I do not see either politeness or pride in that
> > pASuram! Will you please elaborate more?
> That statement can't be anymore explicit. Asking the "all known" 
> supreme to come down to learn from Azhwar himself, is where the 
pride 
> is displayed. But, it is not out of arrogance. It is based on the 
> relationship between Perumal and Azhwar. It is like a child who 
asks 
> a mother to learn something from him. This should be understood 
> within that context of the relationship and not outside of it. Smt 
> Sumitra was also mentioning the same. The pride or arrogance must 
be 
> defined as well as understood from within the context of the 
eternal 
> relationship between us and perumal. If we try to generalize and 
> demand and explanation outside the context we lose the ruchi in 
those 
> statements and enter into the world of tharka(arguments). I 
apologize 
> for this and mean no offense.
> 
> Here is some reference to this pasuram that I found from an archive.
> http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/feb96/0005.html
> 
> Sarva Aparaadhaan kshamasva.
> 
> Adiyen,
> Ramanuja Dasan




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