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Dear Shri Vimal,
I might sound funny, but I am telling what I feel. My apologies in 
case it offends any reader including your kind self, but my intent is 
not to offend or hurt anyone's belief.

It is the prakruthi visesham to think that it is "we" or "I" who does 
it. There is nothing wrong in it. Otherwise, due to the very belief 
that we have gathered as we grew, we would think that we would not be 
motivated to do anything, if we think we are not the doer etc. It is 
like telling that the mangoes that we ate taste really good, to 
someone, who has neither tasted the mangoes nor knows what is 
sweetnees. If that person believes us, he would try it and if he 
likes it, he would also realize the nature of mangoes and that of 
sweetness. If the person does not believe us, no matter what you say 
it would do no good. Similarly, whatever has been told by our 
acharyas, has been told from the state of realization and not from 
the state of normal beings. For they were gifted to taste the 
mangoes. It is upto us to believe them and try the mangoes or be the 
way we are. There is nothing wrong in it. I may say, Nirhetuka krupa 
is what is the reality. But, only because, I realize and have felt it 
and have somehow probably understood it, by, again HIS grace. But, I 
can't make anyone "understand" it. We can't make anyone understand 
sweetness of mangoes. Certain things have to be realized. For those 
who believe(by His grace) in Him, and have realized Him(again by His 
grace) it is all his play and the whole world is the Leela Vibhuthi. 
For those who don't believe in Him, it is always their effort that 
yields result. Either we do something expecting a result out of it 
and attach ourselves to the result or do something expecting a 
result, but not attach ourself to the result. No matter what we 
think, we are all controlled by Him and we can / cannot see the 
differences only because of Him. Belief and Analysis are usually(not 
always) opponents. If we believe that He is the controller, then we 
can't question Him, for we are toys, he made us and he does whatever 
he wants, he makes us think/not think, of him or of this 
materialistic world. Nammazhwar says not once or twice, but many 
times. "yaane nee, en udaimayum neeye", "thannai thaane 
thudhitthu", "kadal nyalam aavenum, seidhenum kondenum, keendenum, 
yaane ennum". We can say brahmam is only the Gnyanam, or we can say 
brahmam has gnyanam or we can say brahmam does not possess any 
attributes. It doesn't really matter. If one says, he/she would do 
all the sinful actions and still claim it is only the lord who is 
doing it, I would challenge that person to do all the sinful actions 
and see how far he/she can go, for I strongly believe(He is the 
reason) that one could do good/bad only if HE "wills". As I told 
before, I may sound wierd, but, this is what I feel and my apologies 
for any offense perceived. If we say Nirhetuka krupai, then how did 
we find it? Is it because he blessed us to find it i.e we are not 
actually finding it but he himself is finding about himself using us? 
Nirhetuka or Sahetuka krupai are all our own perceptions or concepts 
and to me, everything boils down to one thing. You may think it 
sounds like Maya Vadam, but whether we call it leela vibhuthi or maya 
mayam idham, it is all his play. We have been given roles. We should 
do that(Again doing this is not really in our hands, He only fools 
around us;). He confuses us with everything, and make us feel 
confused. At some point I even feel, "Just go with the flow and do 
whatever as it comes", for He does everything and even to "go with 
the flow", He has to will and not really me:))) Whether we try to 
follow the sampradayam or follow the tradition or try to protect our 
tradition, it is all in His hands. If we say, we could do anything 
and everything, that we think as nasty or bad or evil, again, it is 
His call and all due to Him. People do what they have been taught, 
told, as they grow, as per the place they are brought up / live in 
and develop affinity and desire accordingly. I would go with the flow 
and stick to our sampradayam "blindly" believing in it, enjoying 
everything, as he is the enjoyer inside us and not we really.

Note: I know that the entire thing that I have written above would 
sound completely out of sense, funny, wierd, stupif whatever, for 
some or may be many readers. This is exactly what I am trying to 
establish. What we realize, cannot be explained to others. If we try 
to, it results in something like above:) i.e He is the doer and He 
makes us think that He is the doer and why He makes us think is 
because it is His free will and so on. Analysis has no end. Believing 
in something and sticking to it and going with that flow is 
better. "Avar Avar Thamathamadhu Arivari Vagai Vagai" - Azhwar.

Kindly do not ask any questions on the above, as I don't have any 
convincing answers to anything that anyone would comment/question on 
the above. Please feel free to prove/comment/criticize that the above 
is completely wrong as per whatever/whomever you may quote, but 
kindly do not expect any explanation from me as I do not have any 
that would convince anyone.

Adiyen,
Ramanuja Dasan.
PS: I have realized that Email/internet postings or writing itself 
for that matter, is not a good medium/way to express/analyze these 
things. I sincerely pray Him to make all Bhagavathotthamas to 
contribute nice articles that gives us Bhagavad/Bhagavadha 
anubhavams, rather than these kind of analysis(may be good for GRE;)





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