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Dear Swamin,

adiyEn's answers to selective questions:

Q: How can the same jeevathma  simultaneously exist in the form of 
two chiranjeevis.?

Please refer to chith prakaranam in mumukshuppadi. It clearly 
mentions that one jeevaathma may exists with multiple bodies at the 
same time.

Q: Secondly since the dwarabalakas returned to vaikuntam after the 
third birth  the muni kumara could not attain moksha?

Was the episode happening in Sri Vaikuntam? From what I know, this 
episode happened in Thirupparkadal (Vyuham) which is in the Leela 
Vibhuthi. One rational explanation to justify this would be that no 
munikumara, why munikumara, no komban:) can enter Sri Vaikuntam just 
like that with the mortal body. The dwarabalakas simply returned 
back to Thirupparkadal, that is all, I guess.

Q:Thirdly why did the dwarabalakas  take up the form of kshatria 
mortals instead of asuras  in the third birth?

In fact, Ravana and Kumbakarna were not kshatrias - they were born 
for a Brahmana in the lineage of sage Pulastya(his son paulastya, 
his son vaisrava, his son vaisranava etc)?! 

Moreover, Asuramsam is a quality and is not a VARNAM. It is 
sometimes attained by a curse too.

So all the three brothers were Brahmanas, but two of them as pre-
destined, acquired / possessed asura qualities and Vibheeshana was 
the left out one, who, being born as a Brahmana, had no reason not 
to be a Vishnu Bhakta.

In fact Ravana's sister Shoorpanaka also had asuramsam. Who would 
have been she? ;)


adiyEn,
rAmAnuja dAsan

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Rajagopalan Narayan 
<rajagopalannarayan@...> wrote:
>
> Although all 3 brothers were asuras  why was Vibishana different 
from his brothers and was a vishnu bhaktha? I had posed this doubt 
to several  upanyaskas  and got a convincing answer from 
sri.chakravarthy iyengar.
> Since sanathkumara cursed  the dwarabalakas to be born on earth 
for no crime commited and only following their duties Lord Naryana  
punished the munikumara to suffer  a similar fate ,to be born with 
the dwarabalakas. The difference was that the two as per their   
erquest were sworn enemies of the Lord while the munikumara  
remained a Baktha. THis was vibishana and he was prahalada in the 
previous birth and akroora in the next birth. I undrstand  the basis 
for this is found in Vishnudarma.
>  This led to another doubt-Both vibishana and prahalada are 
chiranjeevis. How can the same jeevathma  simultaneously exist in 
the form of two chiranjeevis.?
> Secondly since the dwarabalakas returned to vaikuntam after the 
third birth  the muni kumara could not attain moksha?
> Thirdly why did the dwarabalakas  take up the form of kshatria 
mortals instead of asuras  in the third birth?Adiyens ignorance be 
kindly pardoned by the members of the forum. dasan-narayanan
>  Sri Narayandesikaya Namah
> 
>               
> ---------------------------------
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