Please do some more deeper study. Vaysyas are Upaveetas and can learn and recite Vedas. Ramanujam. ---------------------------------------- > To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > From: epd40@xxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:54:06 +0000 > Subject: [sri ramanuja] Caste Creed and Varna in Srivaishnavam > > Dear All, > A subtle thought process in the lineage of a question being raised by > one of my kin. Question pertains to varnasrama in Srivaishnavam. > I had few thoughts with respect to the question. I request our people > to clarify, correct any mistakes with pramanam for the answers I had > given. > > Question by my Kin: > > "The below thing I wrote when I was a part ramanuja.org discussion > list. I didn't get any answer for this. Still I am searching the > answer for this. Do anyone of you have? > > Respected Sir, > kulanthaangu saathikaL naalilum keezizinthu, > etthanai nalanthaa nilaathasaN daaLasaN daaLarka Laakilum, > valanthaangu sakkarath thaNNal maNivaNNaR kaaLenRuL kalanthaar, > adiyaar thammadi yaarem madikaLE. > If an individual is a devotee of Lord Vishnu, then, even if he belongs > to a lowly caste, you must consider his devotee's devotee as your > lord. I'm quoting this paasuram from tiruvaymoli. I have quoted the > explaination from our own web site www.ramanuja.org. > > Whatever i understood from the above paasuram according to my > intellect is that if a person is a devotee of shriman naarayan to > whatever castes he/she belongs should be given enough respect. Then > why in our sampradaayam it is so that in the name of achaaram we > discriminate among our own people. Even if they are great devotees of > lord naarayan they are not given enough respect just because they > belong to low caste. I have seen many people who are brahmins and shri > vaishnava but they do not follow any rules and regulations of what > shri vaishnava should follow.But even then they get respect in the > society as well as by high intellectuals since they belong to high > caste. Should it be not like this that the discrimination should be > made only on this basis whether a particular person is a devotee of > shriman naarayan or not rather than caste.Is our sampradaayam > emphasize on casteism. I also felt that casteism is one of the main > reason that our sampradaayam's message is not widely spread. If by > mistake i have written something wrong due to ignorance then i am > extremely sorry for that. > > with regards > charchita > > Answer: > Dear Charchita > The message is apt but the concept of varnasrama should or could not > be confused here. > Varnasrama Dictates Rules For > 1) Individual's Work in society > a) Bhramins - Bhramanosya Mookam aaseeth. Bhramins come from face > of vishnu. Let them be responsible for learning Vedas, chanting it, > and spreading it. By no means they can enter > i) Trade > ii) Warfare > iii) Cultivation or any means of procurement > b) Kshatriya - Baaho rajanya krutaha: By the muscle power let the > rajans rule the world. They should > i) Conquer and control teritories > ii) Learn Vedas and not teach / preach them > iii) Be the sole properitor of wealthiest items in his teritory > c) Vaysya - Vaysyo Dhana samridhasyad - Let the merchants trade and > earn money. Let them use thier strength in thighs to travel far off > and bring money. > i) They cannot learn/preach vedas > d) Shudra - Shudra sukam avapnuyaad - Let the fourth caste people do > the job of line men, agriculture, hunting and all work of building > assisting kings in army. Thereby they are not directly responsible for > any decisions but enable decision makers to fulfill the objective of > society. They can > a) Have multiple marriages, have food without bath, can kill animals > and move from places to places. > Now the key point is Narayana bhakta > He who is intrested in bhramagnana is above these 4 castes which come > by birth and has to be respected alteast equivalent to vishnu, > If currently bhramins/ sri vaishanavas are not doing it its solely the > fault of the individuals and not that of the sampradaya > Instances: > Ramanuja before bath used to hold hands of mudaliyandan (Bhramana > sreshta)and later after bath hold the hand of pillai uranga vali dasar > (4th caste person) > Nampillai called one dasar to submit the food he prepared for perumal > fearing the atma guna poorthi of his second wife. > Lot of instances where disciples were of 4th caste but they were > deciding people of sampradaya, > Our great Acharyan Manavala maamunigal got the greatest of rahasya Sri > vachana bushana from the mouth of an acharya called koora kulothama > dasar who by his birth is the care taker of burial ground (Sandala > vargam). Note: Please correct the name of our poorvacharya who did the > kalakshepam of Srivachana bhushanam to maamunigal. > Points: > We have to take sree pada theertham from the lotus feet of any sri > vaishnava of any caste if he shows atma guna poorthi. abiding the > faith on manavala maamunigal and ramanuja if we fail to do so we dont > call ourself sri vaishnava and because of hypocrats pure sampradayam > is getting dis illusioned as the caste oriented system. > > > > > > > > Azhvar EmberumAnAr JeeyAr ThiruvadigalE Saranam > http://www.vedics.net > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0100000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx Azhvar EmberumAnAr JeeyAr ThiruvadigalE Saranam http://www.vedics.net Yahoo! 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