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Please do some more deeper study. Vaysyas are Upaveetas and can learn and 
recite Vedas.
Ramanujam.  




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> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:54:06 +0000
> Subject: [sri ramanuja] Caste Creed and Varna in Srivaishnavam
> 
> Dear All,
> A subtle thought process in the lineage of a question being raised by
> one of my kin. Question pertains to varnasrama in Srivaishnavam.
> I had few thoughts with respect to the question. I request our people
> to  clarify, correct any mistakes with pramanam for the answers I had
> given.
> 
> Question by my Kin:
> 
> "The below thing I wrote when I was a part ramanuja.org discussion
> list. I didn't get any answer for this. Still I am searching the
> answer for this. Do anyone of you have?
> 
> Respected Sir,
> kulanthaangu saathikaL naalilum keezizinthu,
> etthanai nalanthaa nilaathasaN daaLasaN daaLarka Laakilum,
> valanthaangu sakkarath thaNNal maNivaNNaR kaaLenRuL kalanthaar,
> adiyaar thammadi yaarem madikaLE.
> If an individual is a devotee of Lord Vishnu, then, even if he belongs
> to a lowly caste, you must consider his devotee's devotee as your
> lord. I'm quoting this paasuram from tiruvaymoli. I have quoted the
> explaination from our own web site www.ramanuja.org.
> 
> Whatever i understood from the above paasuram according to my
> intellect is that if a person is a devotee of shriman naarayan to
> whatever castes he/she belongs should be given enough respect. Then
> why in our sampradaayam it is so that in the name of achaaram we
> discriminate among our own people. Even if they are great devotees of
> lord naarayan they are not given enough respect just because they
> belong to low caste. I have seen many people who are brahmins and shri
> vaishnava but they do not follow any rules and regulations of what
> shri vaishnava should follow.But even then they get respect in the
> society as well as by high intellectuals since they belong to high
> caste. Should it be not like this that the discrimination should be
> made only on this basis whether a particular person is a devotee of
> shriman naarayan or not rather than caste.Is our sampradaayam
> emphasize on casteism. I also felt that casteism is one of the main
> reason that our sampradaayam's message is not widely spread. If by
> mistake i have written something wrong due to ignorance then i am
> extremely sorry for that.
> 
> with regards
> charchita
> 
> Answer:
> Dear Charchita
> The message is apt but the concept of varnasrama should or could not
> be confused here.
> Varnasrama Dictates Rules For
> 1) Individual's Work in society
>      a) Bhramins - Bhramanosya Mookam aaseeth. Bhramins come from face
> of vishnu. Let them be responsible for learning Vedas, chanting it,
> and spreading it. By no means they can enter
>       i) Trade
>       ii) Warfare
>       iii) Cultivation or any means of procurement
>   b) Kshatriya - Baaho rajanya krutaha: By the muscle power let the
> rajans rule the world. They should
>      i) Conquer and control teritories
>     ii) Learn Vedas and not teach / preach them
>     iii) Be the sole properitor of wealthiest items in his teritory
>  c) Vaysya - Vaysyo Dhana samridhasyad - Let the merchants trade and
> earn money. Let them use thier strength in thighs to travel far off
> and bring money.
> i) They cannot learn/preach vedas
> d) Shudra - Shudra sukam avapnuyaad - Let the fourth caste people do
> the job of line men, agriculture, hunting and all work of building
> assisting kings in army. Thereby they are not directly responsible for
> any decisions but enable decision makers to fulfill the objective of
> society. They can
> a) Have multiple marriages, have food without bath, can kill animals
> and move from places to places.
> Now the key point is Narayana bhakta
> He who is intrested in bhramagnana is above these 4 castes which come
> by birth and has to be respected alteast equivalent to vishnu,
> If currently bhramins/ sri vaishanavas are not doing it its solely the
> fault of the individuals and not that of the sampradaya
> Instances:
> Ramanuja before bath used to hold hands of mudaliyandan (Bhramana
> sreshta)and later after bath hold the hand of pillai uranga vali dasar
> (4th caste person)
> Nampillai called one dasar to submit the food he prepared for perumal
> fearing the atma guna poorthi of his second wife.
> Lot of instances where disciples were of 4th caste but they were
> deciding people of sampradaya,
> Our great Acharyan Manavala maamunigal got the greatest of rahasya Sri
> vachana bushana from the mouth of an acharya called koora kulothama
> dasar who by his birth is the care taker of burial ground (Sandala
> vargam). Note: Please correct the name of our poorvacharya who did the
> kalakshepam of Srivachana bhushanam to maamunigal.
> Points:
> We have to take sree pada theertham from the lotus feet of any sri
> vaishnava of any caste if he shows atma guna poorthi. abiding the
> faith on manavala maamunigal and ramanuja if we fail to do so we dont
> call ourself sri vaishnava and because of hypocrats pure sampradayam
> is getting dis illusioned as the caste oriented system. 
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