srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varvara munayE namaha Dear Swamis, The responses from all the members are encouraging. Yes, it is encouraging to see that atleast no one comes out in protest of giving respect to all. This is a good first step. Now in order to take it forward, I am sorry to say this, but we have to leave our older generation behind as they will definitely not come in terms with accepting this. I know that I am being controversial here. But sorry, I have seen this for myself in many places. They just don't want to come into terms and the reasons are "AchAram" and "anushtAnam". But atleast from our generation, we can get rid of this disrespect. As Sri Ranjan put it lucidly, even if a person does not have a Thiruman, we can still respect him with ourselves wearing a Thiruman. Then he will appreciate the nobledom of the Srivaishnava religion and atleast will not get away from it. There is no point in giving any excuses that, he worships anya- devatha, he eats non-veg, he is not taking bath regularly. Remember, if we do still respect them, probably they will listen to what we say and we can then teach them about being hygenic etc. Always when we take the initiative, the results will be forthcoming. On the other hand, if we say that you are not pure, you eat everything etc, he will only find another place where he can stick on with all the habits he has currently. So let us start respecting everyone, but the first step towards it is, atleast let us stop disrespecting others. AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kidambi naranan kidambi naranan <kidambi_5@...> wrote: > > Dear Swami's, pranams. > > Bhagavata is one who has utmost faith in BHAGAWAN. Emprumanar had this feeling all are Srivaishnavas irrespective of one's caste, colour, creed or ashrama. The aruguments based on varna ahrama do not hold ground today be cause no body sticks to his/her varna ashrama in its entireity. > > We find many people who say we are born in this parampara/vamsa but do not have gnana, sampradaya knowledge as like their predecessors. Still we respect them as great people. Why because we give respect to their paramparai. If we just think and realise then we will understand that we have to respect them not because they belong to this or that parampara but SIMPLY HUMAN COURTESY DEMANDS RESPECT AND REVERANCE. > > It is this human courtesy and respect we have to give to all irrespective of caste and creed. EMPERUMANAR SAID LOVE ALL AS SRIVAISHAVAITES not because they have THIRUMAN KAPPU not because they belong to this sect not because they belong to this vamsa but more because in him also YOU FIND LORD VISHNU. IN THIS LIES THE SOCIO RELIGIOUS VISION OF SWAMY RAMANUJA. In the name of religion, HE blended all the people under one umbrella that is SRIVAISHNAVISM. > > So it is not important whether one is a brahmin Srivaishnava or non brahmin srivaishnava . Even within brahmin srivaishnavas, difference lies between disciples of various different MUTTS. Disciples of one Acharya does not accept another and disciple of one MUTT does not see eye to eye with another. We feel we are more knowledgeable . Do we perform our varnashrama dharma as laid out by our Seers? No. . Do we agree with our own Srivaishnavites who belong to different Acharyas/MUTTS. Even within one MUTT, so many groups function. No body is 100% strict as per his/her varnasrama. Are we Swamy Pillai Lokacharya and Parasara Battar? Definitely not. So we why to quarrel ? What is important is you should not discriminate any body in the name of sampradaya. YOU NEED NOT MAKE ALLIANCES WITH THEM YOU NEED NOT GO AND EAT WITH THEM BUT RESPECT THEM AS EMPERUMANARS SHISHYAS. Do not ask them to stand separately. LOVE THEM. THEY ARE SRIVAISHNAVAS. > > We should know that there was a Acharya by name SIRIATHAN. He has been mentioned in the Tirupavai Commentary for NANDA GOPAN KUMARAN. "NAM SIRIATHANAI POLE PASUMPUL SAVA MITHIATHAVAR NANDAGOPAR" > > If we are able to understand this, then this trouble should not boot us. > > Adiyen request all Swamins to accept my apologies if adiyen has hurt anybody's sentimens. These are adiyen's views. > > rvv21 <ranjan@...> wrote: > Dear all, praNAmams > > I 100% agree with Sri Tirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh swAmin's > statements about respecting bhaagavataas or, as he put it, "anything > or anyone wearing the thirumaN". (Of course I am sure no-one has > forgotten that as human beings, even those *without* thirumaNs deserve > our respect as amshas of Him!) > > There seems to be a suggestion that although we can respect the > aatma of a bhaagavata, interdining and intermarriage somehow does not > enter into that (i.e. it is OK to discriminate on those grounds). > Might I suggest that this viewpoint only considers the situation in > India and perhaps does not look at the bigger picture. > > Suggesting that eating with someone of a different caste is > polluting is, in my view nothing but discriminatory. Of course eating > off the plate of a dog is most probably not a good idea because a dog > has no concept of hygiene etc. but to suggest that dining alongside a > fellow human being who happens to be born in a different jaati is in > any way defiling is, to me, suggesting somehow that they are > sub-human. Didn't Ramanujacharya's desire to eat the remains of one of > his "lower" caste acharyas prove this point, or the episode where one > of the (brahmin) acharyas (I forget which) did not want any vedic > rites to sanctify his new home, since an esteemed bhagavata of > fourth-varNa had simply walked in the place and thus already > sanctified it? > > I know that in India people will make all sorts of assumptions > that "people of other castes have different eating habits, might eat > non-veg, etc., so we shouldn't eat with them" or arguments about > "previous births etc" but what if this bhaagavata is a strict > vegetarian, follows his anushtaanam etc. - on what grounds can we > still support such interdining restrictions then? And how can those > of us in the west simultaneously say this while going to our office > jobs and sitting alongside our white colleages, chatting away happily, > while not giving the same respect to someone of a so- called "shuudra" > jaati back in India? The same goes for marriage. I am not saying > "it's OK", I am just asking, why this arbitrary distinction between > "paying respects to a bhaagavata" and "eating with/marrying them"? Is > it not simplistic to distinguish between the two issues? > > I would suggest that to understand why this is a narrow > perspective, one only needs to look at ISKCON (regardless of other > disputes of doctrine etc), where their priests (white > europeans/americans, or "mlecchas" according to some) have been given > upaveetam etc. and live according to more strict standards of > anushtaanam, aachaaram etc. than probably many of us. On what grounds > could we even justify not eating with/marrying with them? Saying that > "it is in the shaastras and therefore bhagavAn's command" seems to me > a convenient way of avoiding discussing the issue. Let's not forget, > some of those so-called "shaastras" contain statements like "the > shuudra is verily like a cemetery, unfit for any holy sacrament" and > "he should be given a name expressing something contemptible", let > alone passages saying that "molten lead should be poured in their ears > if they hear the Veda". If the Varnaashrama dharma that we are > talking about from these texts (Manusmriti, Gautama dharmashaastra et > al), how can we even *dream* of simultaneously calling ourselves > Vaishnavas, while defending rules coming from such texts? Are the > above statements not intrinsically disrespectful to *fellow human > beings*, let alone bhAgavatALs? How can such a fundamental conflict > ever be resolved? > > Any clarifications or corrections to statements much appreciated, > and sorry if anything has caused offence in the above. > > sarvAparAdhAn kShamasva > namO nArAyaNAya > praNAmams, > Ranjan > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vinjamoor_venkatesh" > <vinjamoor_venkatesh@> wrote: > > > > srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha > > srImadh varavara munayE namaha > > > > Dear Sri Dasarathi, > > > > First of all what is the use of this Varnasrama Dharma? If we dwell a > > little, we will find that the Varnashrama was created, based entirely > > on the profession. Later it emanated to be hereditary. That's all the > > truth. You can see this even today. Almost, in the last 50 years > > atleast, there is trend that the doctor's son is a doctor, engineer's > > son is an engineer etc. Also there are certain unwritten rule > > (dharma) how a doctor should behave and so do the engineers. If a > > society can have a pattern in 50 years, we are talking about a > > practice that is much more than 5000 yrs old. So, the dharma of > > Varnashrama is only a set of rules on the behavioural aspects. > > > > Sticking to Varnashrama is fine but I believe, the whole point of > > discussion is to respect fellow Srivaishnavas irrespective of their > > Caste or Creed. > > > > Also I am unable to agree with the "atma guna poorthi" aspect. Why > > should we try to respect only those Bhagavathas who have "atma guna > > poorthi"? First, are all the Brahmin Srivaishnavas having - "atma > > guna poorthi"? Very difficult to answer. Barring a few, how many of > > us worship nobody other than Sriman Narayanan. The basic "atma guna" > > or characteristics of a SriVaishnavaite (sEshathvam and > > pArathanthriyam). I know of many Brahmin Srivaishnavites, who to this > > date, claim that they belong to a very high caste and all, but side > > by side go to some Amman temple or Siva temple for a "nErthi" on the > > pretext that they were their "kuladeivam". How many such fallacies do > > we have? I am not saying all here, but definitely a whole lot. > > > > 1. I would say, please respect any one and any thing that > > has "thirumAn" on them or it. > > > > 2. Don't humiliate them. Fold your hands with heads down, on seeing a > > Srivaishnava, even if he is an arrogant one. We are no less either. > > > > 3. When great Acharyas like Sri Alavandar can say "aparAdha sahasra > > bhAjanam, pathitham ...."(I have committed thousands of sins and am a > > pathithan" and "amaryAdha: shudra: chalamathi: asooya: ......" (I am > > arrogant showing a lot of disrespect to others and so on), can we > > ever say that we even qualify to talk about the "atma guna". Sorry > > this is not meant as an offence at you, but a generic note. > > > > I get tears in my eyes when we say "kArEi karuNai irAmAnusA...". Why > > do we equate his kindness to the clouds? AmudhanAr had the same tears > > in his eyes, after hearing the news of Emperumanar's kindness by > > letting out the rahasya of Thirumanthiram so that every other being > > can go to Paramapadham. Here again, his target was everyone and just > > about everyone irrespective of caste, creed etc. While we can't > > actually, shouldn't we atleast try to emulate our great Acharya. > > > > This is the best respect that we can show to a fellow bhAgavatha. > > > > AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan > > > > Correction: In my earlier mail I wrote that Periya Nambi did anthima > > samskAram for viLAnchOla piLLai. It is not viLAnchOla piLLai but > > mAranEr nambi. Sorry for this confusion. > > > > > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ellayavilli Dasarathy <epd40@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramanujam > > > I correct my stance wrt vaishyas as pointed by you. Apart from > > that, could some thing more be dwelled upon srivaishanava kula > > poorthi. > > > I want to highlight this at this juncture particulary for atma > > gnana and not sarira sampanda we intend to have with fellow > > srivaishnavas. > > > What I mean by this is, restrictions on varnasrama dharma are not > > to be refuted rather, when it comes to exchange of atma guna poorthi, > > > what should be the stance of a srivaishnava. A practical question. > > Today a handful of few might have knowledge on srivachanabushanam > > either because of its greatness or because of a reader's biasedness > > on it, since it was being commentaried by our acharyan (Maamunigal). > > > But the overall is, > > > Do our vaishnava kulam shows the same strength in atma guna poorthi > > towards a bhagavatha when he is having sampradaya gnana in thoughts > > and deeds > > > Question might be, today's srivaishnavas are not like emperumanar > > or pillai uranga villi dasar or maraner nambi so we cant find whether > > a bhagavata is having atma guna poorthi. Hence lets all stick on to, > > varnasrama even in sampradaya pravachanam and samvadams (discourses > > and discussions). > > > But the catch to this point is, > > > we accord the same respect of emperumanar/ 72 simasanadhipadis, to > > the current emperumanar sthanams, as well as acharya purushas just > > because of thier lineage whereas, > > > a srivaishnava nigraham occurs (no exchange of atma guna / bhrama > > gnana) if he fails to fall within the bhramana kulam > > > To worsen this, in the name of aacharam various standards have > > evolved within groups of srivaishnavam. Here the objective is, > > > 1) Not to mocker at our existing reality since I also belong to the > > part of reality (Srivaishnava kulam) > > > but, try making the objective of sri vaishnava guna poorthi > > expected by Manavala maamunigal and Pillai lokacharyar a reality and > > truly not at the cost of ignoring manusmrithi or varnasrama and > > > 2) To evolve a common acharam for both atma gunam and varnasramam > > > So question boils down to > > > Correct questions: > > > 1) How to treat a srivaishnava sreshta who is full with atma guna > > poorthi irrespective of thier belongings > > > 2) How to exchange atma gnana with them > > > 3) What would be the standard for aacharam for a srivaishnava > > abiding with Varnasramam. > > > And the question never intends to (Wrong Question) > > > 1) How to do inter caste marriages > > > 2) How to dine equally with all everywhere. > > > because, marriage involves anushtana poorthi for a srivaishnava > > (Gruhastashramam) and just not emotional or physical attachment > > > Please let us have the right questions (Correct Questions 1 2 and > > 3) and not the (Wrong Question) as objectives. > > > adiyen > > > Ramanuja dasan Dasarathy Elayavilli Ponnappan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta <acharyatvsr@> > > > To: Dasarathy <ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October, 2006 11:02:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [sri ramanuja] Caste Creed and Varna in Srivaishnavam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do some more deeper study. Vaysyas are Upaveetas > > and can learn and recite Vedas. > > > > > > Ramanujam. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > To: ramanuja@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > From: epd40@yahoo. co.in > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:54:06 +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: [sri ramanuja] Caste Creed and Varna in Srivaishnavam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > A subtle thought process in the lineage of a question being > > raised by > > > > > > > one of my kin. Question pertains to varnasrama in Srivaishnavam. > > > > > > > I had few thoughts with respect to the question. I request our > > people > > > > > > > to clarify, correct any mistakes with pramanam for the answers I > > had > > > > > > > given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question by my Kin: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The below thing I wrote when I was a part ramanuja.org discussion > > > > > > > list. I didn't get any answer for this. Still I am searching the > > > > > > > answer for this. Do anyone of you have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > > > > kulanthaangu saathikaL naalilum keezizinthu, > > > > > > > etthanai nalanthaa nilaathasaN daaLasaN daaLarka Laakilum, > > > > > > > valanthaangu sakkarath thaNNal maNivaNNaR kaaLenRuL kalanthaar, > > > > > > > adiyaar thammadi yaarem madikaLE. > > > > > > > If an individual is a devotee of Lord Vishnu, then, even if he > > belongs > > > > > > > to a lowly caste, you must consider his devotee's devotee as your > > > > > > > lord. I'm quoting this paasuram from tiruvaymoli. I have quoted > > the > > > > > > > explaination from our own web site www.ramanuja. org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever i understood from the above paasuram according to my > > > > > > > intellect is that if a person is a devotee of shriman naarayan to > > > > > > > whatever castes he/she belongs should be given enough respect. > > Then > > > > > > > why in our sampradaayam it is so that in the name of achaaram we > > > > > > > discriminate among our own people. Even if they are great > > devotees of > > > > > > > lord naarayan they are not given enough respect just because they > > > > > > > belong to low caste. I have seen many people who are brahmins and > > shri > > > > > > > vaishnava but they do not follow any rules and regulations of what > > > > > > > shri vaishnava should follow.But even then they get respect in the > > > > > > > society as well as by high intellectuals since they belong to high > > > > > > > caste. Should it be not like this that the discrimination should > > be > > > > > > > made only on this basis whether a particular person is a devotee > > of > > > > > > > shriman naarayan or not rather than caste.Is our sampradaayam > > > > > > > emphasize on casteism. I also felt that casteism is one of the > > main > > > > > > > reason that our sampradaayam' s message is not widely spread. If > > by > > > > > > > mistake i have written something wrong due to ignorance then i am > > > > > > > extremely sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > charchita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answer: > > > > > > > Dear Charchita > > > > > > > The message is apt but the concept of varnasrama should or could > > not > > > > > > > be confused here. > > > > > > > Varnasrama Dictates Rules For > > > > > > > 1) Individual's Work in society > > > > > > > a) Bhramins - Bhramanosya Mookam aaseeth. Bhramins come from > > face > > > > > > > of vishnu. Let them be responsible for learning Vedas, chanting > > it, > > > > > > > and spreading it. By no means they can enter > > > > > > > i) Trade > > > > > > > ii) Warfare > > > > > > > iii) Cultivation or any means of procurement > > > > > > > b) Kshatriya - Baaho rajanya krutaha: By the muscle power let > > the > > > > > > > rajans rule the world. They should > > > > > > > i) Conquer and control teritories > > > > > > > ii) Learn Vedas and not teach / preach them > > > > > > > iii) Be the sole properitor of wealthiest items in his > > teritory > > > > > > > c) Vaysya - Vaysyo Dhana samridhasyad - Let the merchants trade > > and > > > > > > > earn money. Let them use thier strength in thighs to travel far > > off > > > > > > > and bring money. > > > > > > > i) They cannot learn/preach vedas > > > > > > > d) Shudra - Shudra sukam avapnuyaad - Let the fourth caste people > > do > > > > > > > the job of line men, agriculture, hunting and all work of building > > > > > > > assisting kings in army. Thereby they are not directly > > responsible for > > > > > > > any decisions but enable decision makers to fulfill the objective > > of > > > > > > > society. They can > > > > > > > a) Have multiple marriages, have food without bath, can kill > > animals > > > > > > > and move from places to places. > > > > > > > Now the key point is Narayana bhakta > > > > > > > He who is intrested in bhramagnana is above these 4 castes which > > come > > > > > > > by birth and has to be respected alteast equivalent to vishnu, > > > > > > > If currently bhramins/ sri vaishanavas are not doing it its > > solely the > > > > > > > fault of the individuals and not that of the sampradaya > > > > > > > Instances: > > > > > > > Ramanuja before bath used to hold hands of mudaliyandan (Bhramana > > > > > > > sreshta)and later after bath hold the hand of pillai uranga vali > > dasar > > > > > > > (4th caste person) > > > > > > > Nampillai called one dasar to submit the food he prepared for > > perumal > > > > > > > fearing the atma guna poorthi of his second wife. > > > > > > > Lot of instances where disciples were of 4th caste but they were > > > > > > > deciding people of sampradaya, > > > > > > > Our great Acharyan Manavala maamunigal got the greatest of > > rahasya Sri > > > > > > > vachana bushana from the mouth of an acharya called koora > > kulothama > > > > > > > dasar who by his birth is the care taker of burial ground (Sandala > > > > > > > vargam). 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