Dear Swamy
adiyEn thinks we both are talking the same but adiyEn was trying to give another angle to that problem.
Now coming back to Mutt heads, they are supposed to be of renounced order. adiyEn only meant those that are totally renounced order and who are pure devotees. A pure devotee shuns material aspiration. And when a temple is governed by a morally and spiritually high person, the rest will follow. That is why they were called “simHAthipatHis” even though they are of renounced order; they commanded more respect than the King because of their wealth vairagyA. The Bhagawan shabtham is attributed to Lord Krishna because he is supposed to be opulent in 6 major qualities out of which one is renunciation. He is a renounced of highest order hence in order to seek his mercy and inch towards him, the seeker also tends to renounce by the same mercy of Lord. That is why it is easy to do it by a person of renounced order. Where as, if he is a gruhasthA it will be difficult and that is the same reason why
temple administration was handed over in earlier times to mattatHipatHis.
What happened after independence in many Mutts is that they lost all their revenue earning properties to land ceiling act etc. Of late in Andraradesh the new chief minister is talking of selling for nominal price thousands of acres of land to people (political people) since the government could not recover taxes from those lands. So once for all all those properties would go to some big fish in the political system. So in order to sustain the mutts, our sanyasis who are supposed to worry about safe guarding the Dharma has to start worrying about the sustenance of the mutt. This is a greatest tragedy. Many mutt heads are traveling all over
Actually many mutts are struggling to run and are some how keeping them afloat and few days back one of this group member raised about one of the mutt in kancheepuram and the condition of the Jeer there. So that is the state of our temples and mutts. They all have rich tradition where they never asked any money from kings but they were given lands for sustaining that precious knowledge of God. Unfortunately those kings did not thought there will be one day when an elected government (by people) will come and simply grab a private property donated to God’s work will be distributed to few greedy land sharks.
adiyEn ramAnuja dasan
Suresh
Swamy VishnuadiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to thirukurungudi. For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in home itself then why they have to go to another place.Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places. Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with God and his pure devotees places of past times.It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly matters.Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance. Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them, where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya' s way, to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsanSuresh
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From: Vishnu <vsmvishnu@yahoo. co.in>
To: ramanuja@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM
Subject: Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked
People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not
exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro
Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur are
not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are
thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe so
and so Perumal is "more powerful".
Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as
explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"
and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many worship
to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.
The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was not
mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to
praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in the
divya prabandham.
adiyen
Vishnu
--- In ramanuja@yahoogroup s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@.. .> wrote:
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> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
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> Jai Sri krishna
>
> What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on
this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.
I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated
large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st
access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I
found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who
were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt
that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which
was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.
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> amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:
> Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked
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> Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)
> The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the
famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today
has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva
ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs
12,250 to Rs.50,000.
>
> The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday
has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr.
A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to
be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.
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