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Dear Bhagavadhas,

Adiyen Kesavan Srinivasan from Chennai here. Adiyen
really have a strongpoint to express here. I do admit
to what Sri Ram Anbil has told in his views. But if
all these are true and if America has it national bird
as bald eagle, then why is that no Azhvar have gone to
that place. Put it simply why is that the God has not
incarnated himself outside India, excepting Srilanka.
Why is that 108 Divya Desams and Abhimana Desams are
found only in India. This by itself is an example that
our great Azhvars have not recognized any place
outside India worthy of seeing the God.
Further when we do the Nithya Karma and in the
Sankalpam, we come acroos an important terminology
called *BARATHA VARUSHE*. Here what do we use when we
do the same at say America etc. Can we say Baratha
Varushe. Will not the THITHI change. Will not the
entire surface on which we are doing the sankalpam
change.
With due regards and respects to all our Acharyas, one
the one hand it is true that due to Anushtanams our
great anchestors were very resluctant to go abroad.
But there is an underlying fact or reason as well for
ignoring these places. 
Adiyen need all Bhagavadhas valuable inputs on these
views. We can then brainstorm into all the other
persons views. It is true that we need money. But I
wish to know whats the end point for this or where is
the saturation level available for this. If everybody
thinks like this, then I beleive noone will stay in
India.
Adiyen though being a novaice in this aspect and after
seeing this, I need to really confess that, while we
are creating awareness in America in a very long way,
it is somewhat disheartening to state that the
situation in India, our Bharatha Desam that people are
really not there to maintain our Sampradhaya. There
are only a handful to recite the 4000 Divya
Prabandams, Sri Desika Sthotramala and our Acharya
Mantras. Hence at this juncture lets seriously think
that while everybody are thinking about Financially
developing the Great Temples and their monumentary
structure financially, it is equally important for us
to analyse that its time to improve or develop the
awareness of the Divaya Prabandhams and to sustain the
great works done by our Anchestors. 
The entire Srivaishnava Society in India itself needs
some re building and this can be done only if the
handful of people who are currently in india take a
firm step in developing the kids and the younger
generation and teach them the importance of our
Sampradhaya. Otherwise I am afraid that in course of
time we will be in a situation that instead of our
current debate on how to develop our Sampradaya in US
and other reigions we will land up in a situation
where we will be stuggling to develop our Sampradaya
in India itself. For example I am a disciple of HH
Andavan Ashramam and I find only a few who can claim
that they know all the Acharya Thanians and recite
them properly. I have made it a point to learn all our
Poorvacharya Thanians and recite it regularly mainly
due to my family background (Adiyen is the grandson of
Kunkumam Varadhachar Swami, one of the premier Shisyas
of Andavan Ashramam) and the interest created by my
Parents especially my other. And this has to be
created to all the budding youngsters of today. And to
do this as a basic step I feel we need to stay on in
India only for some more time.

Adiyen apologise for anything told wrongly or
expressed differently to all Bhagavadhas. I request
the learned and aged people to guide through my views
and give your valuable opinion regarding this.

Dasan,
Kesavan Srinivasan.
--- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> 
> Overseas travel forbidden-Why?
> 
> Dear Bhagavatas:
> This is one of the frequently asked questions that
> have also been answered 
> as frequently.
> 
> I discussed this issue with several Yathisreshtas
> and Acharyas of Bhagavad 
> Ramanuja- Swami Desika Sampradaayam. I also put
> forward several arguments 
> favoring the ?crossing the oceans?:
> 
> 1.    When the Lord measured the three worlds in his
> Trivikrama Avataara, He is 
> said to have measured everything including landmarks
> outside the narrow 
> boundaries of Bharata varshaa and Bharatah KhaNDa.
> Obviously, while doing 
> this, He did not choose to exclude regions outside
> India. If this is 
> accepted, how could it be taboo to proceed overseas?
> 
> 2.    The very names ?VaasudEva? ?NaaraayaNa? and
> ?VishNU?, are part of Vyapaka 
> Mantras - meaning all-encompassing and that there is
> no place on earth or 
> heavens NOT sanctified by the presence of the Lord.
> If this were so, how 
> overseas countries could be disqualified for
> purposes of travel, especially 
> for the kainkaryam of propagating the very ?Naama
> Samkeertana? of the Lord? 
> Does this not mean a disincentive in the performance
> of this Kainkaryam?
> 
> 3.    If Mount MEru is considered as the northernmost
> boundary of the Universe, 
> all the landmass and seas lie to the South - as we
> say in our Sankalpam 
> ?mErOh dakshiNE paarsvE?, the question arises
> whether America, for example, 
> is not included in this region? If included, what is
> the harm in crossing 
> overseas to visit/settle there?
> 
> 4.    When a Bhaagavata inquired of an Acharya, whether
> he could go to USA for 
> economic reasons (consequent on the brain drain
> occasioned by political 
> circumstances back in India), the Acharya is
> reported to have replied 
> ?Periya TiruvaDIyE angu pOyaachu. Nee pOvadil taDai
> illai? meaning ?Lord 
> GaruDa, the bird vehicle of the Lord himself has
> taken his abode in America 
> already. There is no bar to your going there?
> Obviously, he was referring to 
> the bald eagle, the national bird of America.
> 
> 5.    Did not AnjanEya ?cross the ocean? in search of
> Sri Sita? If he could do 
> that, why not we?
> 
> 6.    Today?s renewal repair, renovation,
> reconstruction etc of temples and 
> religious institutions need lot of money that only
> fund raising in foreign 
> lands would seem to generate sufficient resource ?
> necessitating frequent 
> travels not only by lay folk but also by Acharyas
> who are supposed to be 
> guardians of rectitude in terms of strict
> disciplines commanded in the 
> Saastras.
> 
> This is what I have gleaned from these discussions.
> 
> While all these arguments appear very logical in the
> modern circumstances, 
> it is true that foreign travel is not envisaged
> under any circumstances for 
> all. This is especially so, in the case of Yathis
> (Renounced ones) who have 
> a very strict code of conduct to adhere to in order
> to carry out their 
> duties without let or hindrance, demanded by the
> special stage of life as 
> ascetics (Sannyasis).
> 
> Crossing the ocean was discouraged in the olden days
> for several other 
> practical reasons:
> 
> 1.    The normal mode of transport in the olden days
> was the ship. It took long 
> and in fact months on end to reach the landmark at
> the destination. With all 
> and sundry with different levels of Aachaaram and
> AnushTaanam are clubbed 
> together, it is very difficult to obse4ve the strict
> norms in an exclusive 
> manner. This argument is not any more valid because,
> if one is able to shell 
> out enough moneys on engaging private carrier, one
> may do so, obviating the 
> above disturbance.
> 
> 2.    If some Aasoucham (like death) should take place
> during the long journey, 
> the daily Tiru Aaradanam of the Lord cannot be
> performed and can be resumed 
> only after completion of the Samskaras on reaching
> the nearest land port, 
> Any interruption in the daily Tiru Aaradanam to the
> Lord was deemed worse 
> than death especially in the case of Yathis, Even
> this argument can be met 
> by the fact that today, one can reach the nearest
> airport within a few hours 
> where the obsequies ?apara prayOga samskaras? can be
> performed as quickly as 
> possible so that the Nitya Tiru Aaradanam can be
> resumed with utmost 
> expedition.
> 
> 3.    During travel by ship, they used to empty out the
> human wastes in the 
> sea. Polluting the Seawaters is an unpardonable sin.
> Today, when the 
> airplanes land at the nearest airport, the wastes
> are emptied out on the 
> specially marked waste sites. Thus, this argument
> also has no force now.
> 
> 4.    But what really matters is that the water for
> needed for bath, ablution 
> etc should be drawn only from one of the following
> four bodies of water 
> viz., (i) Well (ii) Tank (iii) Lake and (iv) River.
> When you invite an 
> Acharya say for a DOlai, the first question they
> would ask is whether there 
> is a well in your home wherefrom water could be
> drawn. ONLY if the answer 
> were in the affirmative, they would consent to come
> to your home for DOlai. 
> This is as per the ?Yathi Dharma Samuchhayam? of
> Yadhava Prakaasa, the 
> Guru-turned-disciple of Bhagavad Ramanuja and
> emphasized by His Holiness 
> ChinnaaNdavan Swami in his manual also bearing the
> same name of ?Yathi 
> Dharma Samuchhayam?.
> 
> In a foreign country like U.S.A, for example, not
> only private wells are 
> scarce but also it is also illegal (and punishable
> by law) to draw water 
> direct from any of the sources mentioned above. The
> only water that is 
> available is through the chemically treated water
> through pipes made of 
> materials not approved in the Saastras.
> 
> In "Sthaana VisEsha Adhikaara" of "Srimad Rahasya
> Traya saaram", Swami Desika has enumerated the
> places fit for the stay of Prapannas (Those who have
> done Prapatti). This enumeration does NOT include
> foreign countries. Swami Desika would have known the
> existence of foreign countries. In fact, seafaring
> Indians had already spread to and built temples in
> the Far East like Cambodia etc. History has recorded
> the well-chronicled invasion of Mohammed of Gazni
> and GhOri and Swami was himself a target of the fury
> of the notorious Muslim invaders under Malik Kaafur.
> If he had felt it OK to go abroad, he would
> certainly have recorded this based on appropriate
> PramANAs. In the absence of such mention, our
> Acharyas deem it "Swaroopa Viruddham" to venture
> abroad.
> 
> In this connection, I may mention that in one of my
> visits to AhObila MaTam 
> in Delhi for securing a translation from Kannada to
> Tamil of the handwritten 
> Srimukham granted by His Holiness Prakritam Prakaala
> MaTam Jeeyar, the Swami 
> who was in charge of offering Bikshai to H.H.
> Prakritam Azhagiya Singhar 
> asked me to wait because he could not touch paper
> till Bikshai was over. (He 
> is now the Srkaryam Swami of His Holiness). Such is
> the strict norms of 
> Aachaaram that even the Kainkaryaparas are expected
> to follow, let alone the 
> YathisrEshTas themselves!
> 
> Dasoham
> 
=== message truncated ===



                
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