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Sri RAmajayam
SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha

Dear BhAgavathAs,
                  AdiyEn concur with Sri.KEsavan
Srinivasan.  In fact AdiyEn was reading through Sri
Vishnu PurAna (authored by Srimad Azhagiyasinghar in
Swami's poorvasramam), where there is a clear
depiction of the land (Bharatha KandE --> Bharatha
VarshE), how the Lord is worshipped here and how this
land is suitable for karma & MOksha SAdhyOpAya.  The
land is considered so sacred not just by ManushyAs,
but by DEvAs too.   Here Swami mentions that DEvas
even though they are enjoying the "Punya-phala", they
are never really happy, as they constantly fear where
they will fall once their "Punya-Phala" is consumed.  
There are specific verses elucidated by Srimad
Azhagiyasinghar.   In fact several kings after
partitioning of the land with chariot's wheel even
renounced their kingdom to do penance at places like
SAlagrAm, NaimisAranyam, AyOdhyA, Pushkaram, Gaya
KurukshEthram, Kanchipuram...Eg.Bathing at Pushkaram
for 12 consequetive years in the month of KArthikai,
or donating a cow to a brahmAn in KurukshEthra, laying
pindam to ancestors at Akshaya Vatam brings one and
his/her ancestors and successors great punyA which
eventually leads the ancestry/progeny to get a
righteous birth to focus on Vishnu MArgA.   Also can
there be a place equivalent to Satyavratha KshEtras
(like KAnchipuram) abroad....?

Every place on earth is blessed with the Lord's feet
(Trivikrama AvatAram), but in the same rationale the
lord is all pervading and rightfully called "Vishnu"
(KArana pEyar).   So his presence amidst us does not
make us realized, unless we make efforts to have
AnukUlya Sankalpam and PrAthikUlya Varjanam and
seeking his KatAksham with SAtvika ThyAgam, MahA
VisvAsam and GoptrutvAranam.  Whereever AdiyEn mention
Divya Dhampathis, one can substitute/complement it
with VEdas --> Upanishads --> AchAryAs --> AchArya Sri
PAdukAs.

So what AdiyEn request is - lets put aside our
speculations on how well some BhAgavathAs do their
KarmAs outside India or whether people do KarmAs in
India etc, and make a resolve,
1. To come back to Bharatha Kandam whenever we can and
stay here however long we can and visit the Divya
DEsam and KshEtras.
2. If not read about the Divya DEsam and the KshEtrAs
to constantly think about them, and let the Divya
Dhampathis reside in our heart, while we rejoice being
with him in our "manak kadal".  This way we can visit
the Divya DEsam in our heart even while we are abroad,
when we are old or even when we are physically unwell
too. Recall Azhvaar's pasuram here.."thanikadalaE,
thaniulagE enru unakku idamAi irukka... en manak
kadalill vazha vantha mAya manAla nambi".  
3. Keeping in rejoiceful worship 12 SAlagrAma wherever
we are makes the place a kshEtra.  If not have atleast
one, which sanctifies the home with his presence. 
AdiyEn have heard that a person without Swaroopam
adorned with Thiruman KApu is considered PrEdham
(corpse) and a house without SAlagrAma as a cemetary. 
 So lets create an abode of god wherever we are. 
Griha PravEsam is to invite the Divya Dhampathis home,
and if one recalls a cow is brought immediately after
PerumAl where the cow is facing the back-side
(Lakshmi).   
4. As far as possible perform Nitya/Naimithika karmas
in this karma bhoomi (India).

AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan,

Sudarsana DAsOsmi
--- s kesavan <asvkesavan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear Bhagavadhas,
> 
> Adiyen Kesavan Srinivasan from Chennai here. Adiyen
> really have a strongpoint to express here. I do
> admit
> to what Sri Ram Anbil has told in his views. But if
> all these are true and if America has it national
> bird
> as bald eagle, then why is that no Azhvar have gone
> to
> that place. Put it simply why is that the God has
> not
> incarnated himself outside India, excepting
> Srilanka.
> Why is that 108 Divya Desams and Abhimana Desams are
> found only in India. This by itself is an example
> that
> our great Azhvars have not recognized any place
> outside India worthy of seeing the God.
> Further when we do the Nithya Karma and in the
> Sankalpam, we come acroos an important terminology
> called *BARATHA VARUSHE*. Here what do we use when
> we
> do the same at say America etc. Can we say Baratha
> Varushe. Will not the THITHI change. Will not the
> entire surface on which we are doing the sankalpam
> change.
> With due regards and respects to all our Acharyas,
> one
> the one hand it is true that due to Anushtanams our
> great anchestors were very resluctant to go abroad.
> But there is an underlying fact or reason as well
> for
> ignoring these places. 
> Adiyen need all Bhagavadhas valuable inputs on these
> views. We can then brainstorm into all the other
> persons views. It is true that we need money. But I
> wish to know whats the end point for this or where
> is
> the saturation level available for this. If
> everybody
> thinks like this, then I beleive noone will stay in
> India.
> Adiyen though being a novaice in this aspect and
> after
> seeing this, I need to really confess that, while we
> are creating awareness in America in a very long
> way,
> it is somewhat disheartening to state that the
> situation in India, our Bharatha Desam that people
> are
> really not there to maintain our Sampradhaya. There
> are only a handful to recite the 4000 Divya
> Prabandams, Sri Desika Sthotramala and our Acharya
> Mantras. Hence at this juncture lets seriously think
> that while everybody are thinking about Financially
> developing the Great Temples and their monumentary
> structure financially, it is equally important for
> us
> to analyse that its time to improve or develop the
> awareness of the Divaya Prabandhams and to sustain
> the
> great works done by our Anchestors. 
> The entire Srivaishnava Society in India itself
> needs
> some re building and this can be done only if the
> handful of people who are currently in india take a
> firm step in developing the kids and the younger
> generation and teach them the importance of our
> Sampradhaya. Otherwise I am afraid that in course of
> time we will be in a situation that instead of our
> current debate on how to develop our Sampradaya in
> US
> and other reigions we will land up in a situation
> where we will be stuggling to develop our Sampradaya
> in India itself. For example I am a disciple of HH
> Andavan Ashramam and I find only a few who can claim
> that they know all the Acharya Thanians and recite
> them properly. I have made it a point to learn all
> our
> Poorvacharya Thanians and recite it regularly mainly
> due to my family background (Adiyen is the grandson
> of
> Kunkumam Varadhachar Swami, one of the premier
> Shisyas
> of Andavan Ashramam) and the interest created by my
> Parents especially my other. And this has to be
> created to all the budding youngsters of today. And
> to
> do this as a basic step I feel we need to stay on in
> India only for some more time.
> 
> Adiyen apologise for anything told wrongly or
> expressed differently to all Bhagavadhas. I request
> the learned and aged people to guide through my
> views
> and give your valuable opinion regarding this.
> 
> Dasan,
> Kesavan Srinivasan.
> --- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Overseas travel forbidden-Why?
> > 
> > Dear Bhagavatas:
> > This is one of the frequently asked questions that
> > have also been answered 
> > as frequently.
> > 
> > I discussed this issue with several Yathisreshtas
> > and Acharyas of Bhagavad 
> > Ramanuja- Swami Desika Sampradaayam. I also put
> > forward several arguments 
> > favoring the ?crossing the oceans?:
> > 
> > 1.  When the Lord measured the three worlds in his
> > Trivikrama Avataara, He is 
> > said to have measured everything including
> landmarks
> > outside the narrow 
> > boundaries of Bharata varshaa and Bharatah KhaNDa.
> > Obviously, while doing 
> > this, He did not choose to exclude regions outside
> > India. If this is 
> > accepted, how could it be taboo to proceed
> overseas?
> > 
> > 2.  The very names ?VaasudEva? ?NaaraayaNa? and
> > ?VishNU?, are part of Vyapaka 
> > Mantras - meaning all-encompassing and that there
> is
> > no place on earth or 
> > heavens NOT sanctified by the presence of the
> Lord.
> > If this were so, how 
> > overseas countries could be disqualified for
> > purposes of travel, especially 
> > for the kainkaryam of propagating the very ?Naama
> > Samkeertana? of the Lord? 
> > Does this not mean a disincentive in the
> performance
> > of this Kainkaryam?
> > 
> > 3.  If Mount MEru is considered as the northernmost
> > boundary of the Universe, 
> > all the landmass and seas lie to the South - as we
> > say in our Sankalpam 
> > ?mErOh dakshiNE paarsvE?, the question arises
> > whether America, for example, 
> > is not included in this region? If included, what
> is
> > the harm in crossing 
> > overseas to visit/settle there?
> > 
> > 4.  When a Bhaagavata inquired of an Acharya,
> whether
> > he could go to USA for 
> > economic reasons (consequent on the brain drain
> > occasioned by political 
> > circumstances back in India), the Acharya is
> > reported to have replied 
> > ?Periya TiruvaDIyE angu pOyaachu. Nee pOvadil
> taDai
> > illai? meaning ?Lord 
> > GaruDa, the bird vehicle of the Lord himself has
> > taken his abode in America 
> > already. There is no bar to your going there?
> > Obviously, he was referring to 
> > the bald eagle, the national bird of America.
> > 
> > 5.  Did not AnjanEya ?cross the ocean? in search of
> > Sri Sita? If he could do 
> > that, why not we?
> > 
> > 6.  Today?s renewal repair, renovation,
> > reconstruction etc of temples and 
> > religious institutions need lot of money that only
> > fund raising in foreign 
> > lands would seem to generate sufficient resource ?
> > necessitating frequent 
> > travels not only by lay folk but also by Acharyas
> > who are supposed to be 
> > guardians of rectitude in terms of strict
> > disciplines commanded in the 
> > Saastras.
> > 
> > This is what I have gleaned from these
> discussions.
> > 
> > While all these arguments appear very logical in
> the
> > modern circumstances, 
> > it is true that foreign travel is not envisaged
> > under any circumstances for 
> > all. This is especially so, in the case of Yathis
> > (Renounced ones) who have 
> > a very strict code of conduct to adhere to in
> order
> 
=== message truncated ===



                
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