--- shashi <shashi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > dear all, . since then one sees the lord everywhere! the > external symbols are useless to that elevated soul >who is beyond mAyA. The Sri Vigraha or the Archa Moorthy is not a symbol but an incarnation of Lord Sriman Narayana. > the vedas don't even have the pUjA in the way >rituals have developed later on in the purAnic era. In Sri Vaishnavas, we donot have rituals, we perform Aradhanam or loving service (kainakryam) performed tro the Lord. The word ritual denotes mechanical performance, where as we perform loving service to Lord Sriman Narayana. While ritual is like work, loving service is not. The mother dressing her baby does not consider a ritual or wok. Yes, Aradhanam has been existing from time immemorial. Bimba Arashanam has been discussed in Vedas. > that said, what is so objectionable if a devotee in > the realm of > mAyA wants to comprehend the mAyA as per one's > capacity. after all, > the 'material' aspects of the lord has to dealt with > by someone, > since someone has to make the temple, choose the > material, the divine form in certain way (reclining, > standing,with chakra etc.) We do not need to invent any new forms. The Agama Sastras (Pancharathra and Vaikanasa) are the instructions of Lord Sriman Narayana, and prescribe the way the bimba moorthy has to be made, and conscreted. Agmas have been reveled by Lord Sriman Narayana Himself. For example, the PancharAthra Agma has been revealed by Lord Sriman Narayana to Bramha Deva in five nights and therefore, it is claled pancha rAthra Agama. >so someone has to attribute the limited to the > limitless. As revealed in Srimath Bagavad Githa, if you assume that He (Archa Moorthy) is limited, He will display only very limited power and grant us only limted knowledge. > instead of closing the discusison even before it > starts, it would > do much service if the learned direct it properly, > rather than > shutting it off with words of 'sin' and 'outsiders' > and 'beyond > laws'. even the lord is bound by the laws of karma! > he could not > save jaya and vijaya from the curse of sanatkumar, > who then ended > up as the three most evil pairs - > hiraNyakashyapa/hiraNyAksha, > rAvaNa/kumbhakaraNa, etc. Lord Sriman Narayana is not bound by karma. In Srimath Bhagavtham, it is very clear that He only has decided on the punishment to Jaya and Vijaya as they out of ahankara once tried to obstruct Sri lakshmi Devi to approach Him. If you are interested I can quote the shloka. > whatever mAyA he creates, has its own laws, which we > are all trying > to study in the field of sciences. if the lord has > different laws > of physics, the people with questions are simply > saying, does anyone > know them, can they be told as well, is there any > scientific basis Your scintiifc laws can not even predict events in the future. The tools of science can detect only the parameters (based on indriyas such as pressure, force, temperature, chemical species (smell and taste), elctrical currents (nerve inputs), direction, motion, velocity and acceleratio etc). Our Purnas say that He is beyond the indriyas. Those who do not beleive in the puranas are therefore definitely called outsiders. The real scientific basis would be to first practice (experiment)what is told in the purnas and observe if that is correct. For that you should have the correct knowledge (interpretation of Sadacharya). > even the discussion in the shAstra, the symbolism in > rAmAyaNa and > other epics and purANa are powerful application of > the science of > psychology, sociology and spirituality applied in > the unique indian > way. never has the lord worked in irrational ways, > or unreasonably. > if there is reason to his actions, there is method > of his functioning. Puranas reveal that His actions and functioning are divyam and therfore can not be understood by men. > while there are different levels of mental capacity > and spiritual > progress, and not all discussions of jnAna are for > the followers > of bhakti, it would be so much more appropriate if > it was said, > 'this discussion is beyond the scope of the bhakti > oriented group. For your kind information, puranas reveal that Knowledge (gnyana) and renounciation (Vairagya) are the angas (organs) of bhakthi. As revealed by puranas, real knowldge leads to saranagathi or bhakthi > i hope i have not offended too many people! i am a > silent listener > most of the time anyways. so try not to be upset for > too long :-) > > thanks, > shashi joshi > Jai Sriman Narayana! Narender Reddy . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SriRangaSri/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SriRangaSri-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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