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--- shashi <shashi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> dear all,
. since then one sees the lord everywhere! the
> external symbols are useless to that elevated soul
>who is beyond mAyA.

The Sri Vigraha or the Archa Moorthy is not a symbol
but an incarnation of Lord Sriman Narayana. 

> the vedas don't even have the pUjA in the way
>rituals have developed later on in the purAnic era.

In Sri Vaishnavas, we donot have rituals, we perform
Aradhanam or loving service (kainakryam) performed tro
the Lord.  The word ritual denotes mechanical
performance, where as we perform loving service to
Lord Sriman Narayana. While ritual is like work,
loving service is not. The mother dressing her baby
does not consider a ritual or wok. 

Yes, Aradhanam has been existing from time immemorial.
Bimba Arashanam has been discussed in Vedas.

> that said, what is so objectionable if a devotee in
> the realm of
> mAyA wants to comprehend the mAyA as per one's
> capacity. after all,
> the 'material' aspects of the lord has to dealt with
> by someone,
> since someone has to make the temple, choose the
> material, the divine form in certain way (reclining,
> standing,with chakra etc.) 

We do not need to invent any new forms. The Agama
Sastras (Pancharathra and Vaikanasa) are the
instructions of Lord Sriman Narayana, and prescribe
the way the bimba moorthy has to be made, and
conscreted. Agmas have been reveled by Lord Sriman
Narayana Himself. For example, the PancharAthra Agma
has been revealed by Lord Sriman Narayana to Bramha
Deva in five nights and therefore, it is  claled
pancha rAthra Agama.   


>so someone has to attribute the limited to the
> limitless.

As revealed in Srimath Bagavad Githa, if you assume
that He (Archa Moorthy) is limited, He will display
only very limited power and grant us only limted
knowledge.
 
> instead of closing the discusison even before it
> starts, it would
> do much service if the learned direct it properly,
> rather than
> shutting it off with words of 'sin' and 'outsiders'
> and 'beyond
> laws'. even the lord is bound by the laws of karma!
> he could not
> save jaya and vijaya from the curse of sanatkumar,
> who then ended
> up as the three most evil pairs -
> hiraNyakashyapa/hiraNyAksha,
> rAvaNa/kumbhakaraNa, etc.

Lord Sriman Narayana is not bound by karma. In Srimath
Bhagavtham, it is very clear that He only has decided
on the punishment to Jaya and Vijaya as they out of
ahankara once tried to obstruct Sri lakshmi Devi to
approach Him. If you are interested I can quote the
shloka.

> whatever mAyA he creates, has its own laws, which we
> are all trying
> to study in the field of sciences. if the lord has
> different laws
> of physics, the people with questions are simply
> saying, does anyone
> know them, can they be told as well, is there any
> scientific basis

Your scintiifc laws can not even predict events in the
future. The tools of science can detect only the
parameters (based on indriyas such as pressure, force,
temperature, chemical species (smell and taste),
elctrical currents (nerve inputs), direction, motion,
velocity and acceleratio etc). Our Purnas say that He
is beyond the indriyas.

Those who do not beleive in the puranas are therefore
definitely called outsiders.

The real scientific basis would be to first practice
(experiment)what is told in the purnas and observe if
that is correct. For that you should have the correct
knowledge (interpretation of Sadacharya).
    
> even the discussion in the shAstra, the symbolism in
> rAmAyaNa and
> other epics and purANa are powerful application of
> the science of
> psychology, sociology and spirituality applied in
> the unique indian
> way. never has the lord worked in irrational ways,
> or unreasonably.
> if there is reason to his actions, there is method
> of his functioning.

Puranas reveal that His actions and functioning are
divyam and therfore can not be understood by men.

> while there are different levels of mental capacity
> and spiritual
> progress, and not all discussions of jnAna are for
> the followers
> of bhakti, it would be so much more appropriate if
> it was said,
> 'this discussion is beyond the scope of the bhakti
> oriented group.

For your kind information, puranas reveal that
Knowledge (gnyana) and renounciation (Vairagya) are
the angas (organs) of bhakthi. As revealed by puranas,
real knowldge leads to saranagathi or bhakthi

> i hope i have not offended too many people! i am a
> silent listener
> most of the time anyways. so try not to be upset for
> too long :-)
> 
> thanks,
> shashi joshi
> 

Jai Sriman Narayana!
Narender Reddy












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